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Home My WebLink AboutUntitled (276) IPM.Note Fwd: RE: Solaris Fire Standpipe Inspection Fwd: Mike McGee SMTP MMcGee@vailgov.com Mike McGee SMTP MMcGee@vailgov.com David Rhoades; JR Rulapaugh RE: Solaris Fire Standpipe Inspection FYI >>> Mike McGee 11/24/2008 4:44 PM >>> Steve, I was trying to get the permit for the sprinklers out the door. Now I find I am taking time out to deal with this. I do not want to throw the AHJ card or discuss the NFPA definition of "Approved" but valves that cannot be accessed aren't really of much use. This building as you have so clearly pointed out, is somewhat complicated. The ability to be able to isolate sections for repair and maintenance, drain downs, and an occasional emergency, is essential. The logistics of trying to get an extension ladder up the stairs are difficult. I can only imagine some architect trying to waste time computing the proper angle and rotation necessary to gat any specific length of a ladder into a stair and around the corner. Bottom line, access to the valves is required. Second issue while we are at it; I had two engine companies go out and try the flow meter. It works well. I also had them take the plans while I was gone and scale out hose lengths from the fire hose valves to each room. The conclusion of their assessment is the current configuration of stand pipes, walls, corridors, interior stairs and related elements indicates it will require a slightly different compliment of hoses and attachments that we currently have in use. I have verified the process and discussed it with the Chief of the Department. In order to be able to operate effectively with the current design, we are requesting: 4 - 100 ft sections 2 1/2 inch diameter hose (Neidner XL 800) 4 - 100 ft sections 1 1/2 inch diameter hose (Neidner XL 800) 4 in-line flow meters (one of which we already have) 4 slug tip nozzles. The main issue is we anticipate an exposure while the top floors are being constructed prior to the fire sprinklers being activated. We estimate the need to be able to place four lines into service, two from each direction. Dave Leiker and Dan Feeney have been copied on this email. Please advise us as to: 1. When the existing deficiencies have been corrected. I consider the temp stand pipes to be minimum for Weitz to continue operations on site. 2. Where the isolations valves will be relocated to and any options you wish us to consider. Valves shall be "readily accessible." 3. The expected delivery date of the necessary hose, flow meters, and nozzles. Thank you, Michael McGee Deputy Chief Vail Fire & Emergency Services 970 479-2135 >>> "Steve" <smartin@frontierfireprotection.com> 11/24/2008 4:14 PM >>> We will take care of these problems right away. We will need to schedule an afternoon next week to pressure test the standpipe so we don't leave any water in the standpipe overnight. Could we plan on Tuesday afternoon Dec. 2nd, 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM? Item #3 NFPA #14 does not require these valves to be located in the stair or accessible from the floor (within 6" AFF). NFPA #14 sections 6.3.5 does not require the valve to be located in the stair & 6.3.8.4 ask for a sign to locate the sectional control valve when installed in a concealed space which implies the section control valve can be installed in concealed spaces. The standpipe sectional control valves are all accessible just outside of the stair tower as shown on the shop drawings. Please reconsider this requirement. Wm Steve Martin Frontier FIre Protection 2617 West Holden Place Denver, CO 80204 303-629-0221 fax 303-623-7830 cell 303-669-1665 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Vaughan [mailto:MVaughan@vailgov.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:00 PM To: Steve; Mike McGee Cc: dleiker@bcer.com; 'Tom Ogg'; David Rhoades; JR Mondragon; JR Rulapaugh; Martin Haeberle; Mark Miller Subject: RE: Solaris Fire Sprinkler Permit Greetings. I have just completed a walkthrough of the temp standpipes at Solaris. Please note the following conditions found: 1. Connection access points are not approved. These connections need to be outside the fence on both the Meadow Drive and Frontage road sides. Please provide signage and ready access for their locations. 2. Sectional valves are not accessible. Please adjust your plan as too allow for ready access from the floor or stair landing. 3. 200 lb hydro required on all temp standpipes. Please plan and advise as to how you are going to accomplish this. 4. The Frontage road section of standpipe is blocked and in contact with a temporary electrical power bank. This situation is to be corrected upon reciept of notification. I will advise Weitz also. 5. Stairway two identification is inadequate (there is none). I will advise Weitz as this is their issue, though I wanted all parties to be aware. Thanks. Please don't hesitate to call if you have questions. Thanks, Mike. Michael Vaughan Fire Marshal Vail Fire & Emergency Services 42 W. Meadow Drive Vail, CO 81657 970-479-2252 >>> "Steve" <smartin@frontierfireprotection.com> 11/24/2008 9:17 AM >>> Thanks for the response. We really need to be released to start the fire sprinkler installation. When can we pick up and pay for the fire sprinkler permit? Wm Steve Martin Frontier FIre Protection 2617 West Holden Place Denver, CO 80204 303-629-0221 fax 303-623-7830 cell 303-669-1665 -----Original Message----- From: Mike McGee [mailto:MMcGee@vailgov.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:07 AM To: Steve Cc: dleiker@bcer.com; 'Tom Ogg'; David Rhoades; JR Mondragon; JR Rulapaugh; Martin Haeberle; Mark Miller; Mike Vaughan Subject: RE: Solaris Fire Sprinkler Permit Thank you. The detail satisfies the requirements. Michael McGee Deputy Chief Vail Fire & Emergency Services FSSI 006 970 479-2135 >>> "Steve" <smartin@frontierfireprotection.com> 11/20/2008 5:47 PM >>> In reference to NFPA #20 Sections 5.14.6.3.1 and 5.14.3.1 see figure A5.14.6 where we comply with the requirement for 10 pipe diameters. I have also attached a sketch of the fire pump where the suction supplies the fire pump. Wm Steve Martin Frontier FIre Protection 2617 West Holden Place Denver, CO 80204 303-629-0221 fax 303-623-7830 cell 303-669-1665 -----Original Message----- From: Mike McGee [mailto:MMCGEE@vailgov.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:05 PM To: smartin@frontierfireprotection.com Cc: dleiker@bcer.com; David Rhoades; JR Mondragon; JR Rulapaugh; Martin Haeberle; Mike McGee; Mark Miller; Mike Vaughan Subject: Re: Solaris Fire Sprinkler Permit The sprinkler portion seems to be fine. I still have a concern on the supply to the fire pump. It appears to violate NFPA 20, 5.14.6.3.1 - 5.14.6.3.2. Both Prof's at OSU seem to agree. Maybe the plans do not reflect the design? If the room needs to be larger, they can move a wall. 80 inches should not be a deal killer. Mike >>> "Steve" <smartin@frontierfireprotection.com> 11/19/08 2:37 PM >>> Mike Have you completed your review on the revised fire sprinkler plans for Solaris? We logged in the revised plans on 11-10-08. We have completed the construction standpipe and need to start installing the fire sprinkler system piping. Wm Steve Martin Frontier FIre Protection 2617 West Holden Place Denver, CO 80204 303-629-0221 fax 303-623-7830 cell 303-669-1665 David Rhoades SMTP DRhoades@vailgov.com DRhoades@vailgov.com David Rhoades JR Rulapaugh SMTP JRulapaugh@vailgov.com JRulapaugh@vailgov.com JR Rulapaugh