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Home My WebLink AboutUntitled (449) IPM.Note Re: Solaris Vail Revised Second Administrative Modification Request Re: <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com> SMTP Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com> SMTP Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com Mike McGee; dleiker; srondinelli; john.plano; Jason_Miller; dan.feeney Charlie Davis Solaris Vail Revised Second Administrative Modification Request Charlie, BCER would remain the Engineer of Record with their approval of the changes, signatures and stamp on a document with the editorial changes accepted in Microsoft Word. Schirmer Engineering's revisions are no good without BCER's approval and of course TOV's approval as well as the Solaris Vail Ownership and Architect of Record approval and signatures. Regards, Brian Thompson, P.E. Denver Regional Manager SCHIRMER ENGINEERING 3033 South Parker Road Suite 460 Aurora, CO 80014 Tel: 303.283.0236 Fax: 303.283.0241 Email: brian_thompson@schirmereng.com Web Address: www.schirmereng.com NOTICE: This message may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering it thereto, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or take any action in reliance upon this message or any attachments thereto in any way. If you receive this message in error, please return it by forwarding the message and any attachments to the sender. Schirmer Engineering Corporation is not responsible for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments thereto. "Charlie Davis" <CDavis@vailgov.com> 04/08/2008 02:13 PM To <john.plano@safebuilt.com>, <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com>, "Mike McGee" <MMcGee@vailgov.com> cc <dleiker@bcer.com>, <srondinelli@bcer.com>, <Jason_Miller@schirmereng.com>, <dan.feeney@solarisvail.com> Subject Re: Solaris Vail Revised Second Administrative Modification Request Brian & All, I have reviewed the editorial changes made to the AdMod for the Solaris project. I agree to those changes as submitted. I never intended the approval for common path of egress travel to be linked to a smoke control system. The common path of egress travel is approved upon its own merit only. The 2006 IBC has allowed the increase without any additional safety measures to be added. The only item of concern is "chain of custody" Who will be the engineer of record that is considered the author of this document? Is it Schirmmer or BCER? Best Regards, Charlie Davis Chief Building Official Town of Vail 970-479-2142-voice 970-479-2452-fax cdavis@vailgov.com >>> <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com> 04/04/2008 1:06 PM >>> Charlie, Mike, and John; In an effort to move things along with the topic of revising the approved Item #5 of the Second Administrative Modification Request for the Solaris Vail design, I am sending a copy of the document attached. This document shows all of the changes by use of editorial tracking. Item #5 is the only Item being modified but since the document also includes Item #4 and #6, it is important to understand that the only changes to those pages pertain to the date. In a peer review effort, Schirmer Engineering is of the belief that exhausting the corridor while pressurizing the stairwells and elevator hoistways is counterproductive to establishing a good and simple design for tenable egress. Providing pressurization or exhaust at the corridor while pressurizing the hoistways and stairwells is a difficult design and it creates more confusion on the Fire Fighters Smoke Control Panel than is necessary for what should be a simple system. The corridors will automatically receive some pressurization from the leakage occurring with the elevator hoistways and stairwells. So we are trying to eliminate the exhaust portion of Item #5 and go with the understanding that the code appears to have developed into allowing 125 feet and an accepted common path of travel distance in the code community for the reasons already identified in BCER's approved request. We have all agreed to try and make this work via email. So if each of you would get back to me in regards to any necessary changes, I would appreciate it. Of course, BCER remains the engineer of record on the document and their acceptance of these changes is key. I would liked to have sent this to TOV after having received BCER's acceptance/signature and stamp, however, a simultaneous effort will be necessary. I plan to be in Vail on Tuesday, April 8, 2008. My goal, if all parties approve/accept is to have signed hard copies of the document (with the editorial tracking accepted or not showing) for submission to Charlie, Mike, and John for signatures. I know this is a quick turn around and appreciate everyone's effort in making it work. If anyone has any questions during their review, please do not hesitate to give me a call. Because of the importance of this, please do not hesitate to call my cell phone if I am not available at the office (303-204-5311). Also, if anyone is interested in the 2007 Supplement, it is obtainable on the ICC website or give me a call and I will send along. Regards, Brian Thompson, P.E. Denver Regional Manager SCHIRMER ENGINEERING 3033 South Parker Road Suite 460 Aurora, CO 80014 Tel: 303.283.0236 Fax: 303.283.0241 Email: brian_thompson@schirmereng.com Web Address: www.schirmereng.com NOTICE: This message may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering it thereto, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or take any action in reliance upon this message or any attachments thereto in any way. If you receive this message in error, please return it by forwarding the message and any attachments to the sender. Schirmer Engineering Corporation is not responsible for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments thereto. CHARLIE,BCERWOULDREMAINTHEENGINEEROFRECORDWITHTHEIRAPPROVALOFTHECHANGES,SIGNATURESANDSTAMPONADOCUMEN Charlie, BCER would remain the Engineer of Record with their approval of the changes, signatures and stamp on a document with the editorial changes accepted in Microsoft Word. Schirmer Engineering's revisions are no good without BCER's approval and of course TOV's approval as well as the Solaris Vail Ownership and Architect of Record approval and signatures. Regards, Brian Thompson, P.E. Denver Regional Manager SCHIRMER ENGINEERING 3033 South Parker Road Suite 460 Aurora, CO 80014 Tel: 303.283.0236 Fax: 303.283.0241 Email: <a href=mailto:brian_thompson@schirmereng.com>brian_thompson@schirmereng.com</a> Web Address: <a href=http://www.schirmereng.com/>www.schirmereng.com</a>   NOTICE: This message may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential and  is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering it thereto, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or take any action in reliance upon this message or any attachments thereto in any way. If you receive this message in error, please return it by forwarding the message and any attachments to the sender. Schirmer Engineering Corporation is not responsible for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments thereto.   <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"Charlie Davis" <CDavis@vailgov.com> 04/08/2008 02:13 PM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td><john.plano@safebuilt.com>, <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com>, "Mike McGee" <MMcGee@vailgov.com> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td><dleiker@bcer.com>, <srondinelli@bcer.com>, <Jason_Miller@schirmereng.com>, <dan.feeney@solarisvail.com> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>Re: Solaris Vail Revised Second Administrative Modification        Request</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Brian & All, I have reviewed the editorial changes made to the AdMod for the Solaris project. I agree to those changes as submitted. I never intended the approval for common path of egress travel to be linked to a smoke control system. The common path of egress travel is approved upon its own merit only. The 2006 IBC has allowed the increase without any additional safety measures to be added. The only item of concern is "chain of custody" Who will be the engineer of record that is considered the author of this document? Is it Schirmmer or BCER? Best Regards, Charlie Davis Chief Building Official Town of Vail 970-479-2142-voice 970-479-2452-fax cdavis@vailgov.com >>> <Brian_Thompson@schirmereng.com> 04/04/2008 1:06 PM >>> Charlie, Mike, and John; In an effort to move things along with the topic of revising the approved Item #5 of the Second Administrative Modification Request for the Solaris Vail design, I am sending a copy of the document attached. This document shows all of the changes by use of editorial tracking. Item #5 is the only Item being modified but since the document also includes Item #4 and #6, it is important to understand that the only changes to those pages pertain to the date. In a peer review effort, Schirmer Engineering is of the belief that exhausting the corridor while pressurizing the stairwells and elevator hoistways is counterproductive to establishing a good and simple design for tenable egress. Providing pressurization or exhaust at the corridor while pressurizing the hoistways and stairwells is a difficult design and it creates more confusion on the Fire Fighters Smoke Control Panel than is necessary for what should be a simple system. The corridors will automatically receive some pressurization from the leakage occurring with the elevator hoistways and stairwells. So we are trying to eliminate the exhaust portion of Item #5 and go with the understanding that the code appears to have developed into allowing 125 feet and an accepted common path of travel distance in the code community for the reasons already identified in BCER's approved request. We have all agreed to try and make this work via email. So if each of you would get back to me in regards to any necessary changes, I would appreciate it. Of course, BCER remains the engineer of record on the document and their acceptance of these changes is key. I would liked to have sent this to TOV after having received BCER's acceptance/signature and stamp, however, a simultaneous effort will be necessary. I plan to be in Vail on Tuesday, April 8, 2008. My goal, if all parties approve/accept is to have signed hard copies of the document (with the editorial tracking accepted or not showing) for submission to Charlie, Mike, and John for signatures. I know this is a quick turn around and appreciate everyone's effort in making it work. If anyone has any questions during their review, please do not hesitate to give me a call. Because of the importance of this, please do not hesitate to call my cell phone if I am not available at the office (303-204-5311). Also, if anyone is interested in the 2007 Supplement, it is obtainable on the ICC website or give me a call and I will send along. Regards, Brian Thompson, P.E. Denver Regional Manager SCHIRMER ENGINEERING 3033 South Parker Road Suite 460 Aurora, CO 80014 Tel: 303.283.0236 Fax: 303.283.0241 Email: brian_thompson@schirmereng.com Web Address: www.schirmereng.com NOTICE: This message may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential and  is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering it thereto, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or take any action in reliance upon this message or any attachments thereto in any way. If you receive this message in error, please return it by forwarding the message and any attachments to the sender. Schirmer Engineering Corporation is not responsible for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments thereto. </tt> Charlie Davis SMTP CDavis@vailgov.com CDavis@vailgov.com Charlie Davis Mike McGee SMTP MMcGee@vailgov.com MMcGee@vailgov.com Mike McGee dleiker SMTP dleiker@bcer.com dleiker@bcer.com dleiker srondinelli SMTP srondinelli@bcer.com srondinelli@bcer.com srondinelli john.plano SMTP john.plano@safebuilt.com john.plano@safebuilt.com john.plano Jason_Miller SMTP Jason_Miller@schirmereng.com Jason_Miller@schirmereng.com Jason_Miller dan.feeney SMTP dan.feeney@solarisvail.com dan.feeney@solarisvail.com dan.feeney