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Home My WebLink AboutRE Vail Four Seasons Fire Alarm Devices Submittal (174) IPM.Note RE: Vail Four Seasons Fire Alarm Devices Submittal RE: "Donohue, Sean" SMTP sdonohue@rjagroup.com "Donohue, Sean" SMTP sdonohue@rjagroup.com Michael Perkin; Tim Willings Mike McGee Vail Four Seasons Fire Alarm Devices Submittal Chief, I was taking a look at the equipment submittal for Four Seasons and just wanted to make sure we were clear as to the reference to Stage 1 and 2. We discussed verbally last week that it had to do with a Canadian standard used for either the horn/strobes or the pull stations, but wanted to make sure. The cut sheets do indicate both UL and ULC approval as well as Application Notes for both U.S. and Canada. Was there a specific device we have an issue with? As always, your time and attention is deeply appreciated, RJA_TAGLINE Sean S. Donohue, P.E. Senior Consulting Engineer 5460 South Quebec Street, Suite 370 Greenwood Village, CO 80111 (303) 573-7848 Fax: (303) 573-7843 Cell: (303) 598-5650 www.rjainc.com (This electronic message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution of use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender at the above phone number.) -----Original Message----- From: Mike McGee [mailto:MMcGee@vailgov.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:59 PM To: Perkin, Michael Cc: Atmore, Doug; David Brooks; Matt Royer; TJ Brink; Doug Hipskind; Charlie Davis; David Rhoades; JR Mondragon; JR Rulapaugh; Mike McGee; Mark Miller; Mike Vaughan Subject: Re: Vail Four Seasons Fire Alarm Devices Submittal The notebook you gave me has nothing more than a copy of the specifications which have not been updated and cut sheets from EST, some of which are incorrect. RJA and/or Rybka need to explain their intent on the Stage 1 and Stage 2 configuration, because we are not likely to approve it. Ion detectors do not work at altitude and should not be included in the materials. VFES does not allow single station manual pull stations. I suggest someone may want to read the Vail Fire Dept. fire alarm standards. Lastly, the architect's review after submission to the Engineer of Record and the AHJ may lead to additional issues if any changes are made. We will not issue a permit for any work to which changes are made after we make our review, unless such changes have been submitted first to the fire protection engineer, reviewed and stamped, and then submitted to the AHJ for review. The architect cannot make changes to engineered drawings without the engineer's approval. VFES will not recognize changes we have not reviewed. I will deliver these two books back to your office. Thank You, Mike McGee Deputy Chief Vail Fire Dept. 970 479-2135 CHIEF,IWASTAKINGALOOKATTHEEQUIPMENTSUBMITTALFORFOURSEASONSANDJUSTWANTEDTOMAKESUREWEWERECLEARASTOTHER <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:p="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" xmlns:a="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA 00C14882" xmlns:rs="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema" xmlns:b="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" xmlns:ss="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" xmlns:c="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" xmlns:oa="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:q="http://schemas.xmlsoap.or g/soap/envelope/" xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:x2="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ois="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sh arepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd="http://www .w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sps="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcxf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:wf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" xmlns:mver="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mrels="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships" xmlns:ex12t="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types" xmlns:ex12m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/s ervices/2006/messages" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Chief,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I was taking a look at the equipment submittal for Four Seasons and just wanted to make sure we were clear as to the reference to Stage 1 and 2.  We discussed verbally last week that it had to do with a Canadian standard used for either the horn/strobes or the pull stations, but wanted to make sure.  The cut sheets do indicate both UL and ULC approval as well as Application Notes for both U.S. and Canada.  Was there a specific device we have an issue with?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> As always, your time and attention is deeply appreciated,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <img width=189 height=64 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01C83728.EA0FE970" alt="RJA_TAGLINE"><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Sean S. Donohue, P.E.<o:p></o:p> Senior Consulting Engineer<o:p></o:p> 5460 South Quebec Street, Suite 370<o:p></o:p> Greenwood Village, CO 80111<o:p></o:p> (303) 573-7848<o:p></o:p> Fax: (303) 573-7843<o:p></o:p> Cell: (303) 598-5650<o:p></o:p> <a href="http://www.rjainc.com">www.rjainc.com</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> (This electronic message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution of use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender at the above phone number.)<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p> From: Mike McGee [mailto:MMcGee@vailgov.com] <o:p></o:p> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:59 PM<o:p></o:p> To: Perkin, Michael<o:p></o:p> Cc: Atmore, Doug; David Brooks; Matt Royer; TJ Brink; Doug Hipskind;<o:p></o:p> Charlie Davis; David Rhoades; JR Mondragon; JR Rulapaugh; Mike McGee;<o:p></o:p> Mark Miller; Mike Vaughan<o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: Vail Four Seasons Fire Alarm Devices Submittal<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The notebook you gave me has nothing more than a copy of the<o:p></o:p> specifications which have not been updated and cut sheets from EST, some<o:p></o:p> of which are incorrect.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> RJA and/or Rybka need to explain their intent on the Stage 1 and Stage<o:p></o:p> 2 configuration, because we are not likely to approve it.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Ion detectors do not work at altitude and should not be included in the<o:p></o:p> materials.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> VFES does not allow single station manual pull stations. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I suggest someone may want to read the Vail Fire Dept. fire alarm<o:p></o:p> standards.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Lastly, the architect's review after submission to the Engineer of<o:p></o:p> Record and the AHJ may lead to additional issues if any changes are<o:p></o:p> made.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> We will not issue a permit for any work to which changes are made after<o:p></o:p> we make our review, unless such changes have been submitted first to the<o:p></o:p> fire protection engineer, reviewed and stamped, and then submitted to<o:p></o:p> the AHJ for review.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The architect cannot make changes to engineered drawings without the<o:p></o:p> engineer's approval.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> VFES will not recognize changes we have not reviewed.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I will deliver these two books back to your office.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thank You,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Mike McGee<o:p></o:p> Deputy Chief<o:p></o:p> Vail Fire Dept.<o:p></o:p> 970 479-2135<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html> Michael Perkin NGW mperkin@hksinc.com mperkin@hksinc.com Michael Perkin Tim Willings NGW willingst@mindspring.com willingst@mindspring.com Tim Willings Mike McGee NGW MMcGee@vailgov.com MMcGee@vailgov.com Mike McGee image003.jpg