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November 8 1977
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Lodge at Vai
Vai1, Coloradc 81657
Dear l,lr. Lewis:
I an writing you this letter to adyise you of the Fire Departrnent's decision
i" i"i"rincE to your r-q.t"tt for a variince to the occupancy certificates for
the International Roon and the Arlberg Roon.
A variance for the International Room will be granted for the following ret'-
sons:
The codes require a ninimun of 3 exits. The International Room has
6 exits.
The codes require a ninimun exit width of 10.7 feet. the room has
27 feet.
An emergency lighting system does exist in the room'
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Section 26.LLZ (a) of the Uniforrn Fire Code all,ows the Fire. Depgunen!. to in-
ir".ru the occuiiancy 'oy t0i6 in an instance such as this. Therefore, the oc-
c"panci"s Of thb Inlernational Roon I'ill be raised 25C to 275 when food or
aliolioL is served, and frorn 557 to 591 for rneetings'
The variance for the Arlberg is being denied at the present time for the
follor,ring reasons:
1) The room has only one exit which rneets the building code. This is
the exit which leads to tire Salt Lick Lounge'
Z) The doors leaeling to tlie kitchen carmot be considered exits since the- code forbicis exits going through the kitchen.
3) The doors afong ttr."sidE of th6 room also cannot be considered exits
since tfr"y
-t"qiiiu a ;rp"cial loowledge or effort" to' release the
latches to oPen the door.
4) No ernergency lighting exists in this roon'
A 10? variance r,rill be granted for this roonr if the following conditions are
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1) Tlrree of the side doors are converted to neet code. 'We believe that
these doors can be nodified at a very slight elpense.2) Energency lighting is extended into this room. -
In the neantirne, since the Arlberg Roon has only one legal exit, we are going
to require that one of the two side doors on the south side of the east waIl be
brought up to the code requirenents within 30 days. I am enclosing a copy of
tlte otit requirenents for your inforrnation. Please contact ne at )'olr earliest
convenience concerning the nodifications to tJre Arlberg Roon.
Sincerely,
James Olsen, Captain
Vail Fire Protection District
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November 3, lgTl
Mr. Jaroes OlsenFire CaptainVall Flre DepartnentVal1, Colorado g1657
Dear Jln:
I_ an wrltlng- to you concerning ou, """..ra;1"y. . r believe t$ro of ,.. pitii" ..="i.hazard to public safecy.
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Our Arlberg Room ls rated by your department at lhl+ fot a banquet. I{e haveslx large double o"ybl: aooi",-"ir-.i "ti"t, "o,rrJ;"-;J in the event of aftre' Thev alr lead.drrectit'".i"iJ., tr,,r" ,.ti.,g-;rr;;ri. warl rhe lengthof the roon a suitable-.fi.;-:"i;:"^;o=i,ar,r"
"".son r would rlke to aec ouroccupancy lncreased 2oZ, ftoi Lii ,""ils people.
Ilr':i,:::i;T:1il:r^T:n, we have ,o"-g:u11. doors.extts (elght doors) lead-outslde. ei"., i".rll':1,u"":::.:TJ:Hli..dT: iiiillt"ji"o'gr, a halr ;"-il;
ifffL:l':"".:,':3::,"lth.a'-saieii-Ji""a"ra". ii"-""i".i"crlon or thls roonu"riari e, ;;;'ffi il,""ii,]i.;"il*.;::" :;:".;:: fja TiJ*::'f;!JiL'*"overalt capaclrv of thls-roor "'i"riT _ir_,1rg1.J-'ti'zov7i'."m 248 to 298 people.(rncldentally, th. old capactr;-;;;-3;;.peop1e) -rom 248 to zs, peo;'r
f you are ahtarer th: o:t1y criterLa that.r^7as applied to these roons walr a R.,rara:$:iff.i":,3illll""::"r'!'"".,'pi""'ili,;.,,, ril"-.*ii". -"i"..,,""
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I look foruatd to hearing frour you.
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Paul S. LewlsAsslstant Manager
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MEMORANDUM
T0: Boar:d of Tnustees, Town of Vail
FROM: Tennell J. Mingen, Town Managen
DATE: May 10, 1971
RE:Zoning fon Lodge at Vail
In December, 1968, a few meetings wene held between thePlanning Commission, the Architectural Contnol Committee,
and Walten J. Stalden, Jn., and Ross E. Davis, punchasensof the Lodge. Certain pnomises relating to the zoning(1.65:1 F.A.R.) of that building were mide by the PlanningConmission. (This was befone a zoning ondinance was a-
dopted. ) Recently, T have had conversations with JenomeNage1, an anchitect, reganding the pnope:: F.A.R. designa-tion. I indicated to hin that despite any eanlien pnomises, / +the pnesent o:rdinance :reads 1.25:1, and without a siecialdinective from the Board of Trustees, this F.A.R. must befo1lowed.
It is obvious that the pnomises of the Planning Commission,no matter how well intentioned, have no basis in law, al-though the::e may be centain moral obligations. This case
app:roaches the complexity and seniousness of the Rich F.A.R.nequest and thenefone I feel must be handled p:ropenly toavoid setting an unfain pnecedent and perhaps p::ovokinglegal action.
I have asked Larry Robinson to ::esear:ch case law :relatingto this issue and make necommendations. Please read overthe minutes of the commission meeting fo:: youn own infonma-tion and backgnound, and we will discuss the case at ournext meeting.
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December 2E, 196E
Vall Planning and Architectural Control CornrrltteeVall Planning and Zontng Comrl.eslon
Town of VallValI, Colorado 81657
Re: Pioposed expaneion to the Lodge at ValL propertles.
GenElemen:
In accordance wLEh the purchaee of the sale agree-
ment dated Decenber 23, 1968, betlreen Vall AesocLates, Inc.
and WaLter J. StaLder Jr. and Ross E. Davls, we proposed:i
addlclons and the new conaEructlon to the Lodge propertlee.
Our plans for the existlng Lodge would involve
a nejor refurbishment and redecoratlon of the lnterlors and
the addltlon of dinlng and bar areas together wtth addltl.onal
oeeting room and conventlon areaa. It ts not our intent to com-
blne the rooms into lndivldual apartEent un1ts.
In accordance wLth the above referred to concract
the purchaser agrees to comply with a Floor Area Ratlo require-
ment of one pol.nt elx flve (1.55:L), and to preserve and main-
taln the renalnlng land for prLvate purposes, landecaping, or
surface parklng.
The purchasera plan that the entLre completed pro-
Jecc nlll reflect tradtttonal alpine archltecture aa compared
wlth Ehe noru exletlng alpine modern archl-tecture. lte wlsh to
enphaelze that we are Ln no way requestLng approval of aeethe-
tLc or archltectural features, as Ehts would be the subJecc of
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future discussion at the time detailed plans and specifica-
tiona are submltted. We are requescing at thts time approval
of che proposed maasea referred to ln Paragraph Flfteen (15)
of the contract and deflned by Exhibit A, as follows:
1.The now exlsElng root ot the Lodge bull.dtng would
be removed and one addlcional scory plus mezzanine
would be constructed over thie area. Ttre new roof
llne would be established not more than thlrEeen(r3) teet higher chan it is at Ehe present time.
lle llan slxteen (16) condomlnlr.m unlts in this area
of the one and orie-half scory variety, wtth htgh
celllng livlng rooms and l-ott-tyPe' second floor
bedrooms. These would be spaclous units and becauseof thelr very outstanding locatlon would be con-
sLdered luxury condominluo aPartments.
In the area marked Expanslon Area A on Exhlbit A
ne propose a buildlng one full story lower than
the'ne'i'l"y establisheE roof Ilne for- the northern
portlon bt the Lodge building. Satd butlding-
irould contain appr6ximately forty (40) cond-orulnl'um
apartment unLEs- ind contain approxlmately fifty-
three tboUsand (53,000) square feet. The units on
the flrst and sdcond fiooi of this bulldlng would
each be divislble into Ewo or three rentbble rooms
units, and the units on the third floor would be
two- and three-bedroom luxury or family sultes.
We contemDlaLe locatine this structure not 1e99
than twenty (20) feet SouEh of the exlsting Goqe
Creek Drive ln order to provide convenlent surface
parking.
In the area marked Expanslon Area B on Exhlblt A
rre propose a bullding not to exceed elgh-t (E)
scoiled ln height wiEh approximately eight t_!,ot-
sand, flve hundred (E,500) square feet-Per_floor, r;:
or approxinately slxty-etghc thousand (6U'000) -squalL feet. Aiptne ioof-llne and architeccural
ddtalls would be-lncorporated to minimlze the
building's helghE and deviaEe entlrely from the
usuaL uodern aichltecture of hlgh-riae structures.
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Vatl ProperEies
4. In the area marked Expansion Area C on Exhiblt A
we plan to expand the exlsting dlning, conventLonand/or cafeteria facllitles, and perhaps have alimlted amount of quality shop area. We have aLso
reserved a permanent pedestrian easement and a forty(40) foot sitback froir the east property line, lnsuiingfurther open plaza space near the ticket area.
5. The contract further requires that the owners complywith a parking ratio of one point tive (I.5) auto-
mobile parking spaces per condominium apartment unit;
and one (l) automobile parking space for each hotelroom. As presently outllned, this would necessLtatea total of approxlmately tr"ro hundred tifty (250)
parking spaces. From a practical standpoint, the
ownera deem this to be an lnsufflclent number andplan to provide the following parklng:
a. Surface parking for one hundred menty (120)
automobiles.
b. Parking underground beneath the north wingof the building with a capacity of sLxty-tour (54) cars.
lT5ll'"3:ti3ln" !nin:' g::,:;3ll *tiu1"3.il1city ot ninety (vU) cars.
d. Parking beneath the plaza erea to the eastof the Lodge on two leve1s with a capaclty of
approximateLy ninety (ytl) cars per level.
Thls would bring the total parklng capacity to four
". huncred fitty (4ro) cars, whlch would far exceed the
required mtnimum.
Upon notl.fication of approvaL of this outline of the
general master plan, the owners would proceed lrrnedlateJ-y to-
prepare preltminary pl-ane for prompt submi-sslon and with a plan,ln tactr- to cormence constructi.on of the Lodge additions. and
the north wlng to the Lodge as soon as !ileather perroits.
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December 28, L968
Vall Planning and Architectural. ConErol CornrnltCeeVall PLanning and Zonlng Couriesion
Town of VallVail, CoLorado E1657
Re: Proposed expansion to the Lodge at Vail propertles.
Gentlemen:
In accordance with the purchase of the sale agree-
ment dated December 23, L968, between Val.l- Associates, Inc,
and l{alter J. StaLder Jr. and Ross E. Davis, we proposed'
additlons and the nen constructton Eo Ehe Lodge propercies.
Our plane for the exlsttng Lodge would lnvolve
a major refurbishment and redecoraclon of the interlore and
the additlon of dlnlng and bar areas together lrith addlttonal
meetlng room and convenlion areas. It is not our intenc to coo-
bine the rooms into indlvidual apartment units.
In accordance with the above referred to concract
the purchaser agrees to comply wlth a Floor Area Ratlo requLre-
ment of one poinc slx flve (1.65:1), and Eo preserive and maln-
taLn the rernalnlng land for prlvate purposes, landscaping, or
surface parklng.
The purchasers plan that the entire completed pro-
Ject wllL reflect traditlonal alplne architecture as compared
lrlth the now exlstlng alplne modern architecture. I{e wish to
enphaslze that we are in no lray requesting approval of aesthe-
tLc or architecEural features, as chie would be che eubJect of
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future dlecusslon at, the time detailed pLane and speciflca-
tlons are submlEted. We are requesting at thls tlme approval
of the proposed mas8es referred to in Paragraph Ftfteen (15)
of the contract and deflned by Exhlbit A, as tollows:
1.The now exLsting roof ot the Lodge bulldlng would
be rernoved and 6ne addlEional story plus mezzanlne-
would be constructed over Ehls area. The new roof
llne would be establlshed not more than thirteen(13) teet higher than lE is at Ehe present time.
fie-ifan slxtEen (15) condomlnium unlts in thle area
ot' ttte one and orie-half story variety, wtth hlgh
ceiling livtng rooms and lotc-tyPe' second floor
bedrooirs. ThEse would be spacibus units and because
of thelr very outstanding location would be con-
sidered luxury condomLnium aPartments.
In the area marked Expansion Area A on Exhlbit A
we propose a buiLding'one fulL story tower than
the'neivlv estabtished roof llne for the northern
portion 6t ttre Lodge buildlng. Said building-
i'ould contatn appr6ximately Eorty (40) condomlnium
aDartment unlts' ind contaiir apprbxlmatel-y fifEy-
three thoUsand (:3,utlO1 square- feet,. The unLts-on
ttri first and sdcoid fiooi of this bulLding would
each be divteible lnto two or three rentbble room:
,rnfcs. and the unlts on the chird floor would be
two- ind Ehree-bedroom luxury or family suites'
We concemDlate locating this- structure not less
than twenty (20) feet south of che exiscing Go:e
Creek Drlvb ln order to provlde convenlent surtace
parklng.
In the area marked Expansion Area B on Exhiblt A
tte DroDose a buildins not to exceed eight (8)
stolleh ln height wiEh approxiurately eight t-ltott-
sand. five hundred (8'500) square feet Per troort --:
or aiproximately slxtf-elght thousand (6u'0u0) -
"o".li r.tt. Aiplne i:oof-line and architectural
a6ia11s wouLd be'incorporated to ml'nimLze Ehe
u"iiaine'i h"ieht and ieviate entlrely from the
usuaL n6dern aichitecture of hlgh-rise structures'
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4. Ln the area marked Expansion Area C on ExhibLt A
. we plan to expand the existlng dining, conventlon
and/or cafeteria facillties, and perhaps have allnited amount of quallty shop area. We have also
reserved a permanent pedesErian easement and a forty-(40) foot s6cback froi the east proPerty line, lnsuring
further open plaza space near the tlcket area.
5. Ttre contract further requires that the ortners conply
wlth a parking ratio of-one polnt five (1.5) auto-
mobile parking spaces per condominium aPartment- unt!;
and one'(1) EucbmoblLb parking space fbr each hotel
room. AB presently outJ-ined, thls would necessitatea total of- approxlfoately two hundred fltty (250)
parking spac6b. From a practical standpolnt' the
bwners-deem this to be an insufflclenE number and
plan Eo provide che following parking:
a. Surface parklng for one hundred nuenty (fZO)
automobi.les.
b. Parklng underground beneath Ehe north wing
of the-bullding with a capaclty of slxty-
four (54) cars.
c. Parktng beneath the eight story bullding and
a main portLon ot the courtyard ltlth a caPa-
city ot ninety (YU) cars.
d. Parking beneath the plaza area, to the e88t
of the Lodge on Ewo ievels with a capacity of
approximat6ly ninety (9u) ears per Ievel.
Thls would bring the tocal parklng capacLty to fou-r
.. huncred fitty (4stl) cars, whlch would far exceed the
required mtnlmrm.
Upon notification of approval of this outltne of the
general macc;r plan, the owners wbuta proceed imaediately to-
firepare prellulirary'plans for prompc submisslon and with a plan'
in iact,'to comenle construction bf the Lodge addltlons and
the norih wlng to the Iodge as soon as weather perrnlts.
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RECOMMENDED AMENDI{ENTS TO ZONING OR,DINANCE
Anticle III, Section 2, (d) (b) Size of Parking Space
Panking spaces ane nequired to by 10f-Orr x 20r-0rr. Most space
nequinements are 8r-6rr x L9rx0?? and the langest nequinenentsI have ever seen wene 9r-0rf x 20r-0tr fon ventical on angleparking. Due to pnopenty value and nelated requir.ements, Iwould recommend 9r-0rr x 19r-0tr for ventical and angle panking
and 9t-Otr x 23r-0rr fon pana1le1 pa:rking, both of which wouldbe ample pnoviding pnopen aisles are used. See examplesattached herewith.
Anticle III , Section 2, (d) (2) (c) Accesswavs
Amend last pant of finst sentence by deleting and substitutingthe wonds, ilst:reet, a11ey, on public right-of-way, which .shaI1be in acco:rdance with panagraph |(e) Aislesr.tt
Article IfI Section 2 (d) (2) (e) Aisles
This panagraph does not mention or nequine any specific liidth;
consequently plans ane being subnitted showing inadequate aisleswith vei.tical panking on both sides which does not allow enough
noom fon a can to back out. Conseciuently, the numben of panking
spaces shown will not be usable. I necommend the dinensions
shown on the enclosed examples.
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FINAL
AR(III ITI.]CTTIRAL CONTROI, COI.O,ITT'I'IiE
MINUTES
l-i:iday, December 27, 196ti
9:00 a.m.
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
THE I.ODGE AT VAII, PROPERTIES:
Peter W. SeiberE, Chairman
Rrchard H. Bailey
Gordon G. Brictan
C. E. Kindel
Walter J. Stalder, Jr.
Ross E. Davis
John l]. T\eeedy
Lorence C. Burdick
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Jirn Statder and Ross Davis Presented to the Committee
their plans tpF expanding and condominiumlzing the l,odge. Messrs
Scaldef and Davis a.o pr6s"ntly negotiatint{ the purchase ot the
Lodge with VaiI Associates, Inc. The purpose for today's meeE-
ing waS to obfain the Conrniftee's prelimrrrarY apProval ot a mas-
tei plan indicatlng rhe placement and densiry ot the proposed
sEructures and pariiing thctlities in order to allow tinaliza-
iion ot negotlatlons 6etore December 31, l96lJ. It is recognized
by both th6 members of Che Connni f Lee and by l'lessrs Stalder and
Divis that details ot constructlon and aesLherics wrlL be sub-
micced for consideration and aPProvaI at a Iater date.
The plans include:
- The exisEing Loclge unlts will be remodeled and
wiIl ccrntinue to be operated as l"odging units.
The dini-ng tacilities may be exnanded.. Th9
exis ting [i tchen, now large enoug,h to hand.l e
several- time t-he business, wi-1. I rernain unchanged'
- On che sotiEh end of the existing Lodge, the roof
line will- be raised Eo no more chan thirteen (13)
teet plus a mezzanine above the exiscing root'
SlxEeen ( t-6) condominium unlts with r>ne and one-
halt stories wiII be located here.
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December 27, 1.968
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On Ehe north of the exlsting Lodge, a wing
including forty (40) condominium units will
be consErucEed. The roof line of Ehts burlding
will be eight and one-haff (8f) teet lower lhan
EhaE on Ehe proposed south end. The bullding
will be adequately set back from Gore Creek Drj-ve.
The unics will be dlvlslble lnto Ewo or three
renEable unlts and will open onto a cencral cor-
ridor Eo avoid Ehe clumsy, _joint foyer arrange-
ment ofcen construcEed ln condomlnium uniEg.
All bedrooms will have baths.
To the BouEh and west ot the exiscing Lodge,against the mountain, an eight story bullding
will be constructed. This buildine willibeparate
from the Lodge, butf6onnected by a"third'or'tourth
floor bridge. The architecture will comply with
the alpine character of the village. It is be-
lieved Ehat the height of the building will appear
to be only four tloorstrom Interstate 70. Stag-
gered balconies will also help minimize the vlaual
heighc ot che building
The present Cafeteria will be moved to accomodaEe
parklng facil-ities and will probably be moved to
anoEher locatlon with Che possibile addltion of
a cottee shop. fE is proposed that these facil-
lties be used as a cafeteria in the wlnEer and a
convention room tn the suunef..
IE is required that the developer provide one
and one-halt (1.5) parking spaces for each condo-
minium units arrd one (1) parking space for each
Iodging unit or approximateLy 243 parking sPaces.
The developer teels that parking is a primary
sel).ing factor and will provide more than the
required number, located as tollows:
a. Sixty-four (64) spaces underground
beneath Ehe proposed north wing wlth
elevator services;
b. Ninety (9tt) spaces underground beneaEh
the elght story structure;
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December 27, i968
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c. T\.ro levels of nlneEy ro one hundred
fgu-t0o) Parking sPices Per level
i"o.igiir.tnd benEath the souLh end ot
che Lodge.
d. One hundred Ewency (f2o). surface parking
;;;.;; Eo the north ot the elght story
Uiriraing.
This vrould result in tour hunlred -flfcY ro tour
hu,,area_seventy-five(450-475)parkingspaces.rr ta!"siigt'"ita-;y the Conrmittee that this
excess of parking spu""t- might also help' alIe-
viaEe the Present ""tJ for Tong term parking'
- A Permlt to use a piece of Ehe National Forest
ft.ra't""fJ-ue-secui-ed irom vail AssociaEes' Inc"
as ingress and egress i"i tn" dual-leveled parking'
- A pedescrian easement of twenty (2tt) feet to the
.""c]-nuti the ticket booth' wi!l-.be granted to
Vail Associates, Inc" ald an-additional Ewenty
(2u) ;;;;-ot-"pitt.wiit be dedicated open sPace'
totari;; fJitv'i'-tll teet of oPen unused area'
The plans will take- place in two phases over a Elto
to rhree yu., p"riol. --rt u fiisr pui""-riri inclr.rde refurblsh-
ing the exlsEing.ioOg"- a19.:9tstt"fiio" of the north wing and
accoEpanying parring-facilicies'--il;-;tiance -wi ll be completed
ln a second phase. It vtas recognitea by the develorrer EhaE
rhe elevatlon for' "oro" oi-tt'e ufraeiiioiia-pttli:g,.t" beneath
Ehat of Ehe stream and amy req.rire-fiumping'our wacer from the
foundation area.
The quesElon of classiflcation for the Lodqe proper-
Eies was raised.iri-.ia.i to al10w-I-;l;";-Area Ratio (rnn)
whtch would u" "ornpiiiti"-*icit che FIR;-"o"tidered bv rhe vail
Zoning and Plannin! Comnrissio" io-ti''"--lorthcoming zoning ordin-
ance.- Possible cLissification woull-incfuae the Accomodatlons
Cacagory, wiEh-t-i;i-FAR, ctre core Area Catagory'with a 1'5:1
FAR, and tt. pr.nit; i;ii uet'elopietti ctt"goiy i'rictr a l' 5+: r
FAR.
In pre:plannlng discusslons wlth George Beardsley
erere arrangeo aroi;;-;h; thlnklng that t'he Lodge pro-
wourd quaI-ity .""i"ir;;;"d Unlt 6evelopmenc' aIlowing
FAR wlth a bonus ot itl7.--oi a Eotal FAR ;t l'65: l' Based
allowance the tollowing ft$ures were escablished:
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ornrni t cee
Lo L A.rea
TotaI allowable exapnsion
(1.6>% ot 12),94E)
Existing lodge (does nor
Lnclude crectit tor
trrs E tloor)
AllowabIe expansion
One and one-half storY
adrti tion Co Lr:dge '[5 Apartments, three
lanl Eour bedrooms
Nor Eh vI r-ng, /'3/7hpar tmen Lsrz\
Erght srory buLLdLng,T 6p'
apartments; u,4utrgouare teet Der tloor
'llo ta I new expansion I44,058 square teet
Remaini-ng al lowable 13,362 square feet
expansion sPace tor
Poss ible bar anci res-
tauranL exPans i on , trr
high qual.itY sh'rPs such
as Abercrornbie 6 Ft tch'
Saks , I. Magni.n, or
Neiman Marcus
. Jack lbeedy reminded the Connnitte t-hat it can give its
/approvaL based onLy on the requirements existing at this rlmet ahb unotticialfy db irs best io see that rhere wr 1l be a maxl-
mum ot compliance with che proposed pro ject t-n Lhr'r future as
new requirements are estabtishbd. He recommended that Ehe
Lodge properEres be classifled as core Area. He also poinEed
out that the sate of che Lodge rePresenEs a loss for Vall
Assoc j"ates and that Che Cransfer irom an investor's owtrership
Eo a condominium holder's ownership is a viable way ot maklng
Ehe Lodge proPerties realize a protiE.
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It was expressed by the mernbers ot Ehe Comnlttee that
they felt Ehe Town PLannlng ana Zoiinq-9t:td :l?:ld b" consulted
"ii-'.t!-i!r"ii"-oi-'tir" piop6"a1 and a ioint meeEing of the two
olannins boards ,"s -""ir!a tot l:uu plm' on the fotlowlng day'
Sacuraa!, December 28, 1968
The ArchitecEural Control Conmittee then adjourned to
a cloeed session.
Respec tful lY submitted,
Barbe Bowes
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meettng of the plannlng boards end return to ne wlth
your cments and correctlona wlchin the next forty-
eLght hourE. I wllL send you a fl.nal draft ot theee
Elnutes at the end of this conlng week.
Thanks,
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DRAFT
JOINT MEETING OF fiTEVAIL ARCHITECTI'ML CONTROL COMMITTEE
AND ]]TE
VAIL PIANNING AND ZONING COI'{MISSION
Saturday, December 26, l96U
3:uu p.nr.
PRESENT:
Gordon G. BrlttanC. E. Klndel
John A. DobsonF. Blake Lynch, AdvlsorGerry Whlte
Proposed Orrners
--n??FETEFTsl{alter J. Stalder Jr.
ABSEM:
Peter I{. Selbert, Chalrman
The meetlng of the two plannlng bodles was called to
Jolntly revlew the proposed plan8 for alEeratlons and addltions
to the Iodge aE Vail. In order to meet a December 3l cLoeing
date, the proposed orfilers eubnttted for approval only the basl.c
uasses and denelty for the master pLan of the proJect. Constr:uc-
tlonal and aesthettc detalls are to be submlEted for approval
at a future date. AB lt wag felt by the Archltectural Control
Conrnlttee thst thts proJect was of Eajor slgnlflcance to the
future of Vail, they wlshed to meet Jotntly with the plannlng
and Zonlng Coffinlselon to hear an}l maje; objectlona which ulght
be votced and to epply the Comleoions's zonl.ng expertlse to
the proposed proJect.
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December 28, L966
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The proposed plans lrere presented by l'tr. I{alcer J.
Stalder and lfr. Ross E. Davis and are outllned in the leEter
attached hereto.
ZONING CONSIDEMTIONS:
The prlmary quest,lon consldered by the Town Plannlng
Corunleslon lras one of correct zonlng for the Lodge property.
The zoning ordinance, now in the draftlng stages, offers three
poeslbllltles for thls properry:
a. Core Area - The most recenc draft of the zonlng
ordinance conslders the Core Area as limited by
Gore Creek on che north, the National Forest
property on the south, the MiIl Creek CourE
Bulldlng on the eaat, and the Pl-aza Bullding
on che trest, thus ellminating both the Lodge 'r:.
properEy and Tract 58 trom Core Area classifl-
cation. The prlmary uses are retall and resceu-
rant tacllitles with a pedestrian orientaclon.
Buildlngs supplying lodging accomodations are
deflned as a condltlonal use in this zone, as
lodglng units are vehlcular generating buslnessec
and lt le felt the Core Area should be preserved
for the pedescrian, ln as far as possible. The
Floor Area Raclo for this area is contemplated
aE 1.5 : l. By geographical proxlmlty to the
exlstlng Core Area, the Lodge property could be
considered ln thls catagory.
b. Public Accomodatlons - This classification includes
uees of hotel, moEel, J.odge, and condominium unlts.
The proposed zoning for these areas alLows lese
denslty (1:1 fAR) than the Core Area, yet provldes
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Deceober ZE, 1968
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greater parklng and traffic flow faclltties. The
Lodge property ls adjacent to other publlc accomo-
datlon sectors and by function of the lodging and
condonlnlun untts could be consldered ln thie cata-
gory.
Planned Unlt Developnent - Thls lnvolves e new con-
cept tn zonlng prinarlly destgned to Juggle the
posltlonlng of improvements, servlce, parklng and
open space on a large tract of land, maincalning
an overall Floor Area Ratio, thus allowlng the -
developer a greater flexibility than ln past zonlng
catagorles. Bonuses are sometlmes granted the de-
veLoper ln terms of greater FAR ftgures. Although
ln function the proposed Lodge plane could be con-
eldered a Planned UniE DeveloPment' the relatlvely
ene.ll amount of land involved would elinlnate lt
fron quallfylng ln the PlrD cacagory.
sent from the Vail Plannlng and Zoning Corenisslon that the Lodge
sheurd be included as par
1r d not. at chls time or in the for le vlolate
the crlceria of re Area definltion. and in the case
parklng and trafflc fLow would possiblv lmprove the overall
condlElone. The varlety of uses would elimlnate Public Acco-
modations claeslflcatlon and the lack of knowledge abouE the
Planned Unit Devel-oPment would ellminate classlfylng the Lodge
property ln this catagory. However. indlviduaL Courission menbers
volced the followLng conerns:
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venlent trafflc flow and does not manlfest a
f rdowtt tor{rnrr appearance.
That adequate senrlce areas and clrculatlon be
provlded.
lBrat ingress and egress to the underaround parking
from Gore Creek Road be under grade.
d. That all site plan teatures will be gtven detaiLed
and careful conslderation.
The Tolrn Planning and Zoning Comlssion wiehee that
Vall Aeeoclates, Inc. be informed that, by the same logic lnvolved
ln the Lodge propertles, Tract )B wouLd nost likeLy be lncLuded
as perC of the Core Area, rather than as a Planned Unlt Develop-
oent conaldered by the company planner, George Eeardeley.
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Mteters Stalder and Davls wieh to Proceed wlth this
proJect only upon securlng the approval of the authorttleg
lnvolved and upon receivlng assurance that once the proJect ts
lnltlated, it w111 not come ln conflict with the forthcomlng
zonlng ordlnance, during the later phases of conetructLon.
The proposed oltnera were reminded that wrltten and
legal approval may come only from the deveLoper ln the fotm of
a slgned contracc and from the Archtcectural Control Coumtttee
tn the form of a letter of, approval. As the Town Planning and
Zonlng Comtssion has not veE adopted a zonlng ordinance. thev
are wtthout authorltv to comLt to a 'ludgement ae a Cormieelon.
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fflcial o f rhe indi orurisst whlc
the case the e at ValI ex ion describe 1n
affirmative on the parE of che members present. conEingent upon
the tour concerns listed above. Ic i8 felt chat the Floor Area
Ratlo establlshed in the tlnal zoning ordinance wlll be comPa-''
tlble wlth exiscing tacillties (now approximately 1.5:l ln
the Core Area) lf not higher, and chat the Lodge ac Vall Pro-
pertles wllL be consldered as part of the Core Area.
Itte mechanics of the offlclal Town approval begins
with the daLe of issuance of the building permit. After thls
dace, no construction whlch meets with the establ-ished require-
ments aB ot that date, may be dented. It any furEher conatruc-
tlon is undertaken after the expiration date of the bullding
code, a new butLding code must be secured, subJect Co any nelt
requirementg whlch may have been instituted. Misters Stelder
and Davie were remlnded that all constructlon to dete ln Vail'
lnctudlng thatlof many members Present, has proceeded under
the same condttlons and that Pre-constructlon meetlng ot the
mlnds, such as ls caking place in today's meeting, serves to
decreaae future conflicts and help insure a relatlvely smooth
project completion.
It was suggested that Mr. Stalder and Mr. Davls attend
the publlc hearlngs to be held ln adopting the Vall zonlng ordLn-
ance, not only to represent thetr intereste as ProPerty oltnerst
buc to lend Ehelr expertise as zonLng speclallsts.
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December 2U, 196U
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APPRECIATION:
AppreclatLon was expreseed to
the Vell Archltectural Control Cotrmtttee
Zontng Conrrnl.esl.on for the opportutlty to
the propoead lfdge etrpanston plane.
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by the Vall Plannlng and
revlew and co@€nt on
Reapectfully submltted,
Barbe Bmeg
Secretary, Vall. Archt tectural Control Comittee
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January II, L972
Town of VailPlanning and Zoning CommissionVail, Colorado
ATTENTI0N: Rod Slifer, Chairnan
Gentlenen:
At the joint meeting of the Town Trustees and the Planning
and Zoning Connission held on January 3, I expressed ny view-point on the reconnended nodification of the parking require-
ments as set forth in the memorandum dated Decenber 2L, L97Lto Terry Minger fron Rod Slifer.
I feel it would be prenature for the Trustees to consider
such a nodification until a thorough study is made of thepresent Town parking situation. Such a study may result in
the conclusion that private parking, in fact, is not inadequate.
VaiL Associates has reason to believe that this is the case dueto the results of parking surveys conducted jointly by our en-gineering and rnountain departments. Two such surveys were con-
ducted fron 6:30 a.rn. to 12:30 p.rn. on Sunday, lecernber 26, 1971'
and on Monday, Decernber 27, I97I. The Village was divided intosix areas with a counter being assigned to each area.
Two counts were recorded each day. The norning count taken
between 6:30 a.n. and 7:30 a.m. shows the number of cars park-
ing in Town overnight. The peak count was taken fron the 11:00a.n. - L2:30 p.rn. count and shows the highest nunber of autos in
the village during the day. Prior to the count, the capacity ofVailrs condorniniun and J.odge parking was taken by a phone surveyof lodge owners and condominiun managers. The lodge and condo-
niniurn auto vehicle counts established by these surveys are as
follows:
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Town of Vail Planning and Zoning Connission
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Total Lodge and Condoniniurn Parking Capacity
Morning I of Capacity Peak
442
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899
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Date
72/26/7L
72/27/7r
A breakdown of
rninium proj ect
reference and
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908
the counts forfor each of the
s tudy.
On Decenber 26th, there were 4,917 skiers on the rnountain and on
Decenber 27th there were 6,162 skiers on the mountain.
Prior to drawing any final conclusions regarding the apparent
under-utilization of private parking, it is obvious that addi-
tional auto counts should be nade during both low and peak
periods during the ski season and possibly even during the
sunmer Season.
The menorandum frorn Rod Slifer proposes nodifications to the
present parking ordinhnce which would result in the following
requirenents:
Dwelling Unit
Square Footage
0- 600
601 - 1200
1201 - 1s00
1501 - upwards
Parking Space
Required
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The above proposal appears to require further consideration as
to the criteria for nurnber of spaces required. For exanple,studio units at Manor Vail consist of 685 square feet of floor
area and studio units at the TaLisman consist of 684 square feetof floor area. On the basis of the above proposals, these units
would require L-l/Z stalls. In my opinion, this is not warranted
and such an approach would penalize the developer who is attenpting
to give his custorner a more spacious living unit.
It would appear that the criteria for deternining nunber of stalls
required should be a function of number of bedroons, rental divi-sibility and the nanagenent and rental concept to be enployed by
the project rather than the floor area of the unit.
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Auto Vehicle Count f.or LZ/26 and
Sl"ifer Meno regarding Recorunended
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In ny opinion, the above proposal would tend to direct all
futuie Londorniniun developnent toward the snaller studio, one
or two bedroon mix. This-wouLd exclude the potential VaiL
customer with a large faniLy who rnight prefer a three or four
bedroom J.uxury unit for his second hone.
Very truly yours,
VAIL ASSOCIATES, INC.
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Robert H. Nott
Vice President - Real Estate
January 11r. 197
Town of Vair Pl
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Enclosures:
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Modifications
cc: Terry Minger
Larry Robinso
Peter Seibert
Dick Peterson
Town Board of Trustees
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CapacityToinTng
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LODGES/ CONDOMIN IUMS
F1l Seasons
AlpHorn
Blue Cow
Christiania Lot
Cros s roads
Edelweiss
Grey 6 Shites
GrarnshammersIloliday Inn
KiandraLazier - Lionsllead
The Lodge
Lion Square
Manor Vail
RansHorn
Riva Ridge
Row Houses
Si t zmark
Short Swing
Sink Building
Ta 1i snan
Texas Townhouses
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TreeTopsVail Village Inn
Va1ha11a
VaillLionsHead Condos.
Vorlaufer
Wedel Inn
Wes twind
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Deccmber 2I, I97L
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At several :neet,ings in the past fe!, months the planninc comnissionhas discusse<i and r.rourd likl to recomnrend.that t,ile parking ru"uiio-ments for conconi;:iuns, section 3, page 3g of the zoninq.ordinance,be modified as forr-or.rs: erininate tn6 existing iequirements ofI r/2 s.?aces per cwelrinq unit. rnsert a ner.r schedure as folLorvs:
TO: Terry llinqer
FROM: Rod Slifer
SUBJECT: Reecr.:cndcC
Town of Vai.I
Drvelli-nq Unit. Sguare Footage
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1501 uprvards
cct Bob Clark
John Dobson
.John Donovan
Dave Gorsuch
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