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I.THE REQUEST
The Vantage Point Conddminium Association is requestingsign variances for the total sign square footage andreguired height of wall signs. Vantage point has 27square feet of signage in three signs, one of which is ato99. They are proposing to remove all existing sj_gns andreplace them with two signs totalling 29 square feet. Onesign containing 8 square feet.would Ee located above thegarage entrance on the eEst side of the building. Theother sign containing_2O squqrg__€_eet would be on the north
A request for a sign variance for the Vantage point
CondominiurnsApplicant: Vantage Point condominium Association
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The sections of the code which relate to the variancerequest are listed below:'
Lg.20.2L0 Wall Signs
B. Size.
square foot for each five front lineal feet ofbuilding, with a maximum area of 20 square feet.
C. Height
No part of the sign shall extend above twenty-fivefeet from existing grade.
According to the sign code, the Vantage point Condominiumsare all-owed a maximun of 20 square feet of combined totalsquare footage.
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Vantaqg Point is requestinq a total of 28gnage in two signs, 8 square feet above
25 feet above grade. The reguest is to place theon the norttr elevation 38 feet above qrade, 13 feet
Please see attached drawings for location and detail .
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II. FINDINGS AND STAFF RESPONSES
Before the Board acts on a variance application, theapplicant must prove physical hardship and the Board rnustfind that,
A.There special circumstances or conditionsapplyinq to the land dinqs
vecretation, s structures or other matters onad'iacent lots or within the ad acent riqht-of-wa
ch would sub tiall estr ct the effectivenessof the s tion;ovid however, that suchspecral clrcuns or condit ons are uni<rue to therticular business or enterpr to which theapplicant des to draw attention and do not aqenerally to all businesses or enterprises.
Staff Response
The Vantage Point Condoniniums do have anidentification problem due to the size of thebuilding and the fact that for the entire project,they are allowed only tvo signs having a cornbinedarea of 20 square feet. Sinilar large projects suchas the Raintree Inn, Holiday Inn, Marriott Mark, andDoubletree have also received sign variances relatedto total anount of sigmage due to the_g,ie_of theirprojects. Staff feels that the Vantage Point
Condominiums have sinilar special. cireumstances thatwarrant an increase in the cornbined square footage of
signage.
The staff doesglfeel , however, that the VantagePoint Condominiurns should be allowed to place onesign at 38 feet from grade. There are no special
circumstances or conditions that are unique to theproject that do not apply generally to all
businesses.
It is true that the Dgubl?tree Hgtel was given avariance to place their sign Tacing the Frontage Roadat a height of 55 feet. The reasons for granting
the variance as indicated in the memo dated June l-7,
L987, was that the size of the sign was in scale withthe rest of the building and the fact that thebuildinq was situated below the qrade of the Frontacre
Road, niti
To the west of the Vantage Point Condominiums is the
Landnark Hotel whose siqn is 15 feet above the-FequJ;edt-6-teet?tt'when the Landmark constructed thissign in L984, they were replacing an existing signwith a new one at the sanre height as the oJ-d sign.
The is another building along the Frontage
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which has signs higher than 25 feet above grade.records do not show approval of these signs, sostaff must surmise that these signs were paintedthe building at a very early date; this wouldthe signs legal nonconforming.
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The staff feels that, in general , the circumstancesthe Vantage Point condominiums face are not unique toother buildings along the South Frontage Road, andtherefore the height of the Vantage point signageshould not exceed 25 feet above grade.
s circumstances were not cr theIicantr anyone tn
Staff Response:
Special circumstances were not created by theapplicant.
c.Iha!__!he grantinq of the variance lrill be in qeneral
harmony with the purpose of this titfE-Ena-dff not
Staff Response:
Staff feels the proposed signaSe Eif.[- reFpec!_-g9_S,izeis in harmony with the purposes of the-Elgn-6a-The signage will be lit by a liqht source separatedfrom tlre sign.
The 8 foot sign above the garage entry :[s alsogBel.iblarrith the sign code's generEfiuilG. Thestaff feels that this sign is inportant to help
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adequate to identify the buildings.
D.e varlan lied fo does not dsions of th s title an more thandentthe a cant's bus ness or use.
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Staff Response:
The applicant is reguesting an additional 8 squarefoot sign beyond the allowed 20 square feet. Staffbelieves that one 20 square foot sign and one 8square foot sign are not unreasonable square footagesto reguest for a building of this size.
The staff does feel that the 20 square sign on thenorth elevation will identify the building adequatelywhen placed 25 feet from grade, and that i freigntvariance to place this sign at tB feet is notwarranted.
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consistent with the sign coders requirement that signagenot call undue attention to itself. The square toofagtrequest also does not depart drastically fiorn the arlowedsignage. We recommend approval of the iequest for avariance from the arnount of total signage allowed.
Hfrrq.';wrl-I be adequately identified with two signs that are
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placed no higher than 25 feet.
Due to the recent increased nunber of subnittal-s for signvariance requests for large lodges, the staff feels it -
will be appropriate to adjust tf,e sign code to aLlow forwrrr De approprl_ate to adjust the sign code to aLlow forso4e__qE44igne! signage for these@t6Viewing these-T6?[Ence requests, -taff nas tliea to
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naintain continuity in our decision making andreconmendations to the Design Review Board and council.However, in the long term, we feel that the best solutionis to adjust the sign code so that it is in tune with theneeds of these tlpes of developments. This approach willavoid a series of individual rlview of sign viiianceswhich are time consuming for the applicanf,, Design Review.Board and Town council.";:;;'ol'w-,f^i::
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Agril 21, 1988
508 East Lionshead Circte, Vait, Cotorado 81657
Ms. BeEsy Rosolack
Town of VaiI
Comrnunity Development.
75 So. Frontage RoadVail, Colorado 81658
Dear Betsy:
With regard to the height of the Vant.age point sign onthe north side of the elevator shaft, ie feel thaE 25 feetabove ground level_will not be high enough. Since VantagePoinE sits well below the level ol the S6. Frontage Roadlwe feel a minimum of 38 feet above ground level i6 necessaryto make_the sign clearly visible. We have recently planteda row ot coEtonwood trees along Lhe south side of the frontageroad EhaE will grow quite tall-over Lhe years. As it isnohr Ehese trees will block Uhe view of a- sign rnounted at25 feec above ground level.
After looking aE some of our neighboring condominiumsnamely the Landmark Eo our \"res; ind uhe-Doubletree to oureast, we do noE feel 38 feet above ground level ls at al-lunreasonable' since this will be our only sign on the norths-ide of the building we do feel it should- be Elearly visiblefrorn I-70 and rhe 56. Frontage Road. I would like theopportuniEy,to.have soneone from the sign review committeeand/or the design review board to come 5ut and look at oursituation in order to make a fair evaluation.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
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VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 1988
7:30 p.m.
EXPANDED AGENDA
Anderson Youth Recognition Award - Jothi Alahan
Approval of Minutes from May 3 and 17, 1988 Meetings
Ordinance No- 14, Series of 1988, second reading, amendingTitle 12 Streets and Sidewalks of the Municipal Code by the
addition of Chapter 12.12 Mandatory Utility Connection
Action Requested of Council: Approve,/deny Ordinance No. 14,
Seri es of 1988, on second reading.
Background Rationale: Ordinance 14 will gjve the CounciI
the power to require abutting property owners to connect toutilities whenever a street is authorized to be paved by the
CounciI.
Staff Recommendation: Approve Ordinance No. 1.4, Serjes of
@ing.
Ordinance No. 15, Series of 1988, second reading, repealing
and reenacting Section 8.24.060 H to provide new
requirements for the use of loud speakers or sound
ampl jfying equjpment
Action Requested of Council: Approve/deny Ordinance No. 15,
Series of 1.988, on second reading.
Background Rationale: Because of problems in administering
the ampl ified sound ordinance, it has been repealed and
reenacted to do away with the discretionary permit system.
Changes discussed at first reading have been made.
$taff Reconrmendatjon: Approve Ordinance No. 15, Series of@ins.
Ordinance No. 12, Series of L988, first readjng, amending
the Design Review Guidel ines pertaining to primary/secondary
and duplex development
Action RequesLed of Council: Approve/deny 0rdinance No. 12,
Series of 1988, on first reading.
Background Rationale; Wh'i le the Counci1 was general 1y
amenable to this ordjnance as presented in May, staff was
asked to receive fjnal comments from the DRB pri or to any
action by the Council. The DRB has discussed this ordinance
on two occasjons and has endorsed what js presented to the
Council today. Two changes requested by the Council
(concerning slope and garage additions to existing units)
have been incorporated through these rev'i sions.
Staff Recommendation: Approve 0rdinance No. 12, Seri es offfi9.
6. 0rdjnance No. 16, Series of 1988, first reading, prohjbjting
liquor and beer in closed containers over July 4th tdeekend
and New Year's Eve
uested of Council: Approve/deny Ordinance No. 16,
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1988, on f i rst read'i ng.
7.
Background Rationale: 0ver the 4th of July holiday period
ffi the Vail Police Department has seen a
rapid increase in the amount of drunkenness, disorderly
conduct, assaults, minors in possession of alcohol ,
violation of the alcohol in open container ordinance, and
vandalism in the area of Bridge Street and Gore Creek
Drive. Indicators lead us to believe that inebriated
persons are responsible for a majority of these problems.
In an effort to control the amount of alcohoi contributing
to the problem areas, we are proposing that no alcoholjc
beverages be allowed in the area of Bridge and Gore during
the impacted time periods. This wil1 give the Police
Department one more tool to use in an effort to control the
prob 1 ems .
Staff Recommendation: Approve 0rdinance No. 16, Series of
1988, on first reading.
Ordinance No. 17, Series of 1988,
increased fines and jail sentence
vi ol ati ons
first reading, regarding
on criminal ordi nance
8:45
Buck Al len
9:05
Pam Brandmeyer
9:15
Betsy Rosolack
Acti on of Coulcil: Approve/deny Ordinance No. L7,
on first reading.
Background Rationale: Home rule cities now have the option
ffind penalty limit to $999 and 180 days
in jail- The increased fine and penalty level does not
change the municipal court procedure. The increased fine
level for the more serious criminal ordinance violations
will allow the court to deal more effect'ive1y with those
crimes. There are currently instances where the max'imum
fine is being imposed and a greater fine would be set if
possible. The higher fine and ja'i 1 sentence are also
valuable in gettingzrestitution for the victim and fon the
Town for rejmbursement for jail terms actually served. The
longer jai1 provisions also al 1ow'l onger probation perjods
for the defendarits.
Staff Recommendation: Approve Ordinance No. 17, Series offfins.
8. Appointment to the Local Liquor Licensing Authority Board
Acti on Requested of Coulqjl: Appoint one menber to the
Board,replacing Colin Gleason.
Background Rationale: Col in G] eason resigned, and so far,
ffiicants for the positjon: Lynn Fri tz1en,
Kevin Cassidy and Tim Savage.
9. Sign Variance Request by Vantage Point
Action Requested of Council: Approve/deny sign variance
nequest.
Background Rationale: The Vantage Point Condominiums have
requeited two variances to the s'i gn code. One is for the
amount of signage and the other for the height of the sign.
The DRB voted unanimously to approve 28 square footage of
signage, 8 feet above the 20 feet al'l owed. They also voted
unan'imously to allow a sign to be placed 32 feet above
grade, 7 feet above the allowed 25 feet. A slanted roof
extends up the wa1 1 approximately 20 feet. The Board felt
the sign looked better at 32 feet rather than 25 feet
because of the location of the roof.
Staff Recommendation: The staff supports the variance
ffidditional 8 square feet over the 20
square feet allowed in the sign code. The staff does not
support the requested sign height variance.
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April 21, 1988
Ms. Betsy Rosolack
Town of Vail
Cornmunity Development
75 So. Frontage RoadVail, Colorado 81658
Dear Betsy:
With regard to the height of the Vantage Point sign on
the north side of the elevator shaft, we feel that 25 feet
above ground level will not be high enough. Since Vantage
Point sits well below the level of the So. Frontage Road,
we feel a minimum of 38 feet above ground level is necessaryto make the sign clearly visible. We have recently planted
a row of cottonwood trees along the south side of the frontage
road that will grow quite Lall over the years. As it is
now rhese trees will block the vlew of a sign mounted at
25 feet above ground level .
After looking at some of our neighboring condominiums
namely the Landmark to our west and the DoubleEree to our
east, we do noE feel 38 feet above ground level is at all
unreasonable. Since this will be our only sign on Ehe north
side of Ehe building we do feel it should be clearly visible
from I-70 and the So. Frontage Road. I would like the
opporEuniEy to have soneone from the sign review comittee
and/or the design review board to come ouE and look at our
situation in order to make a fair evaluation.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Sincerely,
VANTAGE POINT'YAIL CONDOMINIUMS
"lLiJiJh.^Michaet D'Anci,
General Manager
508 East Lionshead Circle. Vail. Colorado 81657 (303) 476-0364
TOWN COUNCIL AGENDA REQUEST
Request form must be given to the secretary to the Town Manager by8:00 A.M. Thursdays.
Date:5/L9/88 Dept. Con Dev Meeting Date:
Work Session
Iten/Topic:
Vantage Point sign variance reguest.
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llo uphold or overturn the DRB decision.
III. Backqround Rationale
lhe vantage point condoniniunrs have reguested two variancesto- the -sign code. one is for the aurouit of signage and theother for the height of the sign. The Design i,eview Boardvoted unanimously to approve 28 square footige of sj-gnage, Ifeet above the 20 feet alrowed. chey also v6tea unaiiur5uiryto allow a sign to be placed 32 feet above grade, Z feetabove the arrowed 25 feet. A slanted roof extends up thewall approxirnatery 20 feet. The Board felt the slgn iooieabetter at 32 feet rather than 25 feet because of tlie locationof the roof.
Ttt Staff Recommendation
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The.staff Eupports the variance request to allow anadditlonar 8 sguare feet over the fo sguare feet alrowed inEne stgn code. The staff does not support the reguested signheight variance.
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Town of Vail Office of Community Developement/J South Frontage RoadVail-, Col-orado 8165?
Planners:
Find encl-osed applications for a sign and a relatedvariance for Vantage Point Condominj-um Association.The sketches and specifications included are providedby Va11 Sign Corporation, and any questions may bedirected to Carl Babcock, Manager/Fresident, a\ 949-67tO,
Thank you for your time and considera,tion.
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P. O. BOX s010 / 41 01 0 U.S. HtcHWAY 6 /AVON, CO 81620 / 303-S49-6710
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Mike D'Anci
Vantage Point Condoniniums
J08 East l-,ionshead Circ1eVail, C0 81657.
Mike:
The following is a list of materials submitted to the Town ofVail on behalf of Vantage Point this afternoonr
1) North and east elevations showingproposed signage drawn to scale
? 2) Detail of proposed signage
showing square footage
g.t,f i 3) Photos of the north elevation
The existing logo i-s approximately 18 square feet in area,making the total square footage desired for the north elevation
J8 square feet including the logo, or !g square feet excludingthe logo.
Per our conversation this afternoon, I am assuming you haveprovided the Office of Community Development with the properfees and applications. Thank you for your time and consideration.
S inc ere1y,
Carl Babcock
Manager
Betsy Rosolack/offiee of Conmunity Devlopment
P. O. BOX 5010 / 41010 U S
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March 22, 1988
Mr. Mike DrAncic/o Vantage point Condominiurns
5O8 East Lionshead CircleVail, Colorado 81652
Re: Application for a sign variance for Vantage point
Dear Mike
This letter is to confirn the phone conversations r have hadwith you and with CarI Babcock.
we will schedule your proposal for a sign variance with theDesign Review soaid afler-we have receiried trre eollowinginformation:
1. A full north erevation with the signage and. logo drawn tosca1e.
2. The square footage of the J.ogo.
3- The east elevation with requested signage drawn to scale.
4. Detailed drawings of both signs with sguare footage ofeach and total sguare footage requested.
5. Photos of the north and east erevations would be herpful .
5. An application with the signature of the condoninium boardrepresentat j.ve.
After Design Review Board reconnendation, you must appearbefore the Town councir. rf you have ani luestionsr-p).ease donot hesitate to call me.
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PUBLIC NOTICE
NOtrrCE rS HEREBY crvEN that a Design Review Board neeting willbe held on Wednesday, May 18, 1989 at 3:OO pM in the TowiCouncil chanbers ln the Town of Vail Municipal Building.
The lten under consideration ls a request for a sign variancefor the Vantage Point Condoniniuns located at SOg SouthFrontage Road West.
Ehe-application and information related to thLs request isavailable for publlc review at the office of connuriityDeveloprnent during regular office hours.
TOWN OF VAIL ZONING ADMINISTR,ATOR
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