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From: Dale Bugby < DaleFromVail@Hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:22 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: Golf clubhouse
Follow Up Flag: Follow up
Flag Status: Completed
I am strongly opposed to any latitude of interpretation on Pulis deed restriction. Do not allow any expanded use beyond
golf at that location.
Dale Bugby
970-390-9600 m
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:08 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Vail Golf Club renovation
From: George Lazarus [mailto:george.lazarus@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 20124:16 PM
To: CommDev
Subject: Fwd: Vail Golf Club renovation
Dear Vail Planning Commission,
We completely agree with Gretchen Busse and ask that you reconsider this project. If you upgrade the
clubhouse within its current footprint you will not upset the entire local community around it.
Shelly and George Lazarus
1720 Sunburst Drive, #2
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From: Gretchen Busse <gretchengb@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, Oct 18,2012 at 11:15 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Club renovation
To: comdev@vailgov.com
Dear Planning and Environmental Commission,
We 15 town home owners on Sunburst Dr. facing the Vail Golf Club and parking lot strongly oppose
this over embellished club house and 18th green renovation. We would very much welcome and
want a renovated clubhouse and Nordic center with a grill. But an event center anticipating 100
events a year; that's 3-4 per week with hours until 2 am is ridiculous for a residential
neighborhood. The lighting, noise and departing traffic late into the night would be too much,
particularly with windows open in the summer. There is no buffer for we residents across the street.
And not to mention the devaluation of our property from this nuisance!
Also, parking often overflows on to Sunburst Dr shoulder making it dangerous for emergency
vehicles, many bikers and just walking the dog.
We want the clubhouse renovated within its current footprint and the 18th to remain as it is as was
voted
Thank you,
Gretchen Busse, a 20 year full time resident.
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:25 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: To Whom it May Concern re: the Vail Golf Course and Club House changes
From: Greg Hall
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:10 PM
To: CommDev
Subject: FW: To Whom it May Concern re: the Vail Golf Course and Club House changes
PEC Comments
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM
To: Greg Hall
Cc: Juan M Garcia
Subject: Fwd: To Whom it May Concern re: the Vail Golf Course and Club House changes
Greg, please see the below email from a homeowner. I have asked that any owners with comments, please send
them to me to send or for them to send it directly themselves. I was going to put on the email to send to you all
directly but I didn't get a response back that I saw of what email addresses. For that reason I will forward them
as they come through and will cc the owner themselves so that you can see that I did not alter their email. I will
send all ofthem both positive and negative as I encouraged them to express their feelings themselves and not
rely only upon management and the Boards etcetera to convey their thoughts. I noted that some people
(particularly people that rent) may feel differently than the Board as a whole and that if they are supportive they
too should chime in on their opinions. I don't know if they will because I worry that everyone is on overkill
with all this but I hope that they will do so. I wasn't comfortable forwarding emails that they sent to me
previously because I didn't know how to properly convey the message because they often forwarded other
comments from other people in their email stream and those comments out of context may have been hard to
understand etcetera. In other words, I asked them to do a free standing letter that they write themselves about
their feelings about the project. I cannot be sure that they read what I sent with all the emails we send now on
the subject but I tried.
I have gotten much positive feedback from owners seeing that the applications to the PEe are now not trying to
change the zoning to general use. That has had very positive feedback. Several people have also expressed that
ifthere has to be an "event venue" or banquet room for events, then they are glad to see that they are pursuing
the operating agreement although a couple that have read it says they feel it still needs work in areas. They are
glad to see the prohibitions against tents, no amplifiers etcetera as positive components.
I have not received any positive feedback from any homeowners on holding regular events at this location
although there may be some people that rent that feel positive about it but they have not expressed such. Only a
handful ofpeople that I am aware currently rent in these townhomes. Maybe the email I sent out saying to
express both positive and negative feedback and I did indicate that people who rent may be more inclined
towards the idea of a venue for events (as it may help with rentals). Please add the below email to feedback and
I will forward more in the future. Please send me the best emails to send this feedback. Thank you.
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From: alvaro garcia de Quevedo <aquevedo@notaria55.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 10,2012 at 1:48 PM
Subject: To Whom it May Concern
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
As neighbors of Sunburst Drive (Unit 24Vail Golfcourse Townhomes) we are concerned about the plans for the golf
course area.
The TOV has most of the time been assertive in the upgrades made in order to generate more value to Vail property
owners.
I am concerned that our neighborhood could be transformed into an event venue place where traffic, noise, alcohol and
other inconvenients may arise. We do not want to become the "bad place" to live. We don't want other people making
money on new venues while diminishing the general property area.
Upgrades are always welcome but keeping in mind that our neighborhood is a place where not only neighbors, but Vail
residents make outdoor activities (golf, running, cycling, etc.).
We have been owners in the golf course area since 1981, although we live abroad we are regular visitors to Vail both in
winter and summer seasons. Any proposal to the golf course area must have in mind ABOVE ALL that the benefits have
to be for the neighborhood, not for the visitors that will go to a party event in a new venue.
Thank you and best regards.
Alvaro Garcia de Quevedo F.
Notaria 55 DF
aquevedo@notaria55.com
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:25 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course
From: Ahgramm@aol.com [mailto:Ahgramm@aol.com]
Sent: Friday/ October 19/ 2012 1:56 PM
To: CommDev
Subject: re: Golf Course
The town of Vail had managed to trod-over or manipulate too many covenant articles to benefit their
own commercial desires. What was once a charming and delightful village has ---or, is becoming just
another town controlled by the almighty dollar.
I know who carries the biggest stick and it is sad that it takes legal action to stop that stick from
beating any faster than it does.
Annemie Gramm---413 Gore Creek Drive
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Bill Gibson
From: Gretchen Busse <gretchengb@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:12 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: Fw: Vail Golf Club renovation
-----Original Message ---
From: Gretchen Busse
To: comdev@vailgov.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Club renovation
Dear Planning and Environmental Commission,
We 15 townhome owners on Sunburst Dr. facing the Vail Golf Club and parking lot strongly oppose this over embellished
club house and 18th green renovation. We would very much welcome and want a renovated clubhouse and Nordic
center with a grill. But an event center anticipating 100 events a year; that's 3-4 per week with hours until 2 am is
ridiculous for a residential neighborhood. The lighting, noise and departing traffic late into the night would be too much,
particularly with windows open in the summer. There is no buffer for we residents across the street. And not to mention
the devaluation of our property from this nuisance!
Also, parking often overflows on to Sunburst Dr shoulder making it dangerous for emergency vehicles, many bikers and
just walking the dog.
We want the clubhouse renovated within its current footprint and the 18th to remain as it is as was voted
Thank you,
Gretchen Busse, a 20 year full time resident.
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Vail Golf Course
From: Richard deC HINDS [mailto:rhinds@cgsh.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 20124:31 PM
To: CommOev
Subject: Vail Golf Course
I have very concerned that the plans still seem to leave open major changes to the signature hole at the golf course. It is
totally unnecessary to eliminate part of the fairway to the 18Th hole and eliminating the 18th green and truncating the
fairway would be an even bigger mistake. I thought that idea was off the table but it appear that it could be sprung back to
life without much advance warning to the golf community. It is very important to Vail's success as summer destination
that the golf course not be wrecked in this manner.
Sincerely
Richard Hinds
74 Willow Road
Richard Hinds
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:35 AM
To: CommDev
Cc: Alberto Abed; Alexander Bracken; Cynthia Scott; Enrique R Miranda Paz; Eric Balzer; James F. Tiampo; Jose
Lanzagorta; Juan M Garcia; Marvin Hein; Michael Griffinger; Waldo F. Geiger; Abbey &Alyne Kaplan; Bernard Minkow;
Bob Rule; Brooks and Linda Zug; Dave and Lynne Creager; David Zinni Earl J. Rusnak, Jr.; George Hallenbeck; Helen &
Morris Ginsburg; James & Elaine LunneYi Jean Gordoni Jean Halli Jeff & Adele Stalderi John & Penny Terhar; John and
Susan Gowen; John L. Griebling; Jorge Conseco; Jorge Dunand; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik; Luis HarveYi Manuel Girault;
Michael & Valerie Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie; Rebeca Jimenez-campos; Rene & Aurora Leon; Richard & Sandra
Collier; Robert Trotta; Robert W. Geyer; Sergio J. and Sara Armella; Spencer Swaim; Steve & Brigid Wilkening; Susan
Townsend; Arlene Bobrow; Bob and Liz Kivlandi Brian Barish; CurtiS and Kris Olson; Dennis SCioli; Donald Ferlic; Dunvil
Properties LLC; Harry Stephenson; Kevin Murphy; Lee G. Schulman; Lyn Batcheller; Manuel Orvananosi Marc Lippitt Mr.
Scott Shwayder; Michael S. Barish; Philip L. Bernstein
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
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From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
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I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner.II I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
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out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN RE VAIL GOLF COURSE RENOVATIONS
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:37 AM
To: CommDev
Cc: Jean Hall
Subject: Fwd: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN RE VAIL GOLF COURSE RENOVATIONS
Please see the below email message that I was asked to forward to you on behalf ofthe homeowner. Thank
you.
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From: <DANDJHALL@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 15,2012 at 9:25 AM
Subject: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com
I own a condo in the Vail Townhome Golf Course area--Unit J-32. I've been an owner since the late 80s and always have
enjoyed having close access to the Vail Golf Course. I am a golfer and I really hate to see the 18th hole shortened. I do
feel it will make the course too easy and won't appeal to players as much. I also think there's a good chance that the
owners near the hole will sue if the 18th hole is changed, which will greatly delay the renovation and increase costs.
I think the golf shop/pro shop area and restaurant have long been in need of an upgrade, but I'm not at all in favor of
adding an event venue. I know those who are interested in the latter, say there will be no parking problems, but I find that
very hard to believe. Are they only thinking of having the venue open for evening events?? A capacity of some 200 in the
event facility would at the very least need 100 parking spaces--where will they be located? Will they then have to allow
parking on Sunburst Drive? I'm also concerned with the possible noise factor. One reason I bought in this area instead of
Vail Village or Beaver Creek was because it was quiet and a bit off the beaten track.
I am also completely against the idea of changing the space to general use zoning.
I'm sorry I couldn't be present to voice my concerns in person.
Sincerely
Jean Hall, Unit J-32
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
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970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:41 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: To Whom it May Concern re Vail Golf Course
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
sent: MondaYI October 22/ 20128:48 AM
To: CommDev
Cc: Juan M Garcia
Subject: Fwd: To Whom it May Concern re Vail Golf Course
Please see below from homeowner requesting that I send to the appropriate parties.
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From: alvaro garcia de quevedo <aguevedo@notaria55.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1 :48 PM
Subject: To Whom it May Concern
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
As neighbors of Sunburst Drive (Unit 24) we are concerned about the plans for the golf course area.
The TOV has most of the time been assertive in the upgrades made in order to generate more value to Vail property
owners.
I am concerned that our neighborhood could be transformed into an event venue place where traffic, noise, alcohol and
other inconvenients may arise. We do not want to become the "bad place" to live. We don't want other people making
money on new venues while diminishing the general property area.
Upgrades are always welcome but keeping in mind that our neighborhood is a place where not only neighbors, but Vail
residents make outdoor activities (golf, running, cycling, etc.).
We have been owners in the golf course area since 1981, although we live abroad we are regular visitors to Vail both in
winter and summer seasons. Any proposal to the golf course area must have in mind ABOVE ALL that the benefits have
to be for the neighborhood, not for the visitors that will go to a party event in a new venue.
Thank you and best regards.
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Alvaro Garcia de Quevedo F.
Notaria 55 DF
aq uevedo@notaria55.com
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:41 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; CommDev
Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx;
eric.balzer@ramtron.com; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aquevedo@notaria55.com;
marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com;
bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com;
ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com;
JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; Lstalder@fsf-Iaw.com;
jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com;
Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Alyne.
Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree.
We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the
continued quality of life in our town home community.
Michael and Valerie Katz
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.coml
Sent: Monday, October 22, 201209:35 AM Central Standard Time
To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com>
Cc: Alberto Abed <f1ymex042752@aol.com>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott
<scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer
<eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta
<jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein
<marvin.c.hein@qmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>;
Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager
<Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George
Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindsprinq.com>; James & Elaine
Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>; Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff
& Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen
<jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge
Dunand <qdunand@ferrionl.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <lib59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<Iharvey@nexxuscapltal.com>; Manuel Girault <manuel.qirault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M.
Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-campos <rebecajimquerra@yahoo.com>; Rene & Aurora Leon
<reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta
<bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella
<sergiO armella@cyvsa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservlces.com>; Steve & Brlgld Wilkening
<BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow
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<asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis
and Kris Olson <curtis-olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>;
Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmail.com>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder
<mlippitt@unjgueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein
< pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmaiLcom>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns. parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
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I
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels.
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
would understand how irnportant this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. 'realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course T own homes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
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trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:00 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
From: Eric Balzer [mailto:Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,2012 10:49 AM
To: Michael Katz; malia@crossroadsvail.com; CommDev
Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx;
jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aquevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmall.com;
griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com;
bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com;
george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com;
DANDJHALL@aol.com; Lstalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net;
jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com;
manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: RE: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the
hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet
neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events
will likely raise the opportunity for a bike / car accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we
have on Sunburst Lane.
I agree with the emails below, please reconsider.
From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.comJ
Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com
Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx;
Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aguevedo@notaria55.com;
marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com;
bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; lynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com;
ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com;
JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-law.com;
jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com;
Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Alyne.
Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree.
We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the
continued quality of life in our town home community.
Michael and Valerie Katz
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From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvaiLcom]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 09:35 AM Central Standard Time
To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com>
Cc: Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aoLcom>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott
<scottmahaffyclan@gmaiLcom>j Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer
<eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta
<jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein
<marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>;
Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager
<Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aoLcom>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George
Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen &Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>; James &Elaine
Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aoLcom>; Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff
&Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John &Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen
<jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge
Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<lharvey@nexxuscapitaLcom>; Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M.
Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>; Rene &Aurora Leon
<reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta
<bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella
<sergio armella@cyysa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening
<BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmaiLcom>i Arlene Bobrow
<asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis
and Kris Olson <curtis-olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>;
Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonline1@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmaiLcom>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder
<mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>i Philip L. Bernstein
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4: 15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
2
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
3
homeowner.II I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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October 19, 2012
TOWN OF VAIL
Mr. Rufino Vigil
1925 Sunburst Drive
Vail, CO 81657
Planning and Environmental Commission
Town of Vail
75 S. Frontage Road West
Vail, CO 81657
Re: Vail Golf Course Clubhouse and 18th Hole zoning and Conditional Use Permit
Dear Planning and Environment Commission (PEC):
I have been a homeowner at 1925 Sunburst in Vail since February 1988.
I am writing this letter in objection to the Town of Vail's plans to enlarge the Vail Golf
Course clubhouse and move the 18th green on the golf course. I am aware that a number
of neighbors have filed a lawsuit to prevent the Town from proceeding with its current
plans. I am also aware that the town has sought to amend the Conditional Use Permit
(CUP) it received in 1986 to expand it in both size and scope, and seeks to amend the
zone district to change the golf course parking lot from a general use district to an
outdoor recreation district. I understand the town also seeks to amend the zoning for the
club house to allow it to increase the clubhouse's height.
As a property owner, I feel it is important for the PEC to be aware ofmy position
regarding the Town's requests. I do not oppose changing the parking lot from a General
Use District to an Outdoor Recreation District. I am still unclear as to exactly what the
Town is seeking in regards to changing the height requirement ofthe clubhouse and
reserve the right to oppose the town's plans in the future once I am aware of the plan. I
do oppose, the town's request to amend the Conditional Use Permit to allow it to move
forward with its proposed changes to the current clubhouse, the 18th green and the 18th
hole fairway. I do believe that the clubhouse could use improvement but I do not support
converting the clubhouse to an event center.
The issues I have concerning the Clubhouse renovation, and the 18th hole and fairway are
too numerous to list in this letter. I feel that any plans to renovate the clubhouse without
moving the 18th green should include the property owners at every level of planning.
Vail is a world class resort and careful consideration should be given to how the current
planning will affect the Vail Golf Course neighbors, the citizens of Vail as well as
visitors that come for a first class experience.
.•. ...•
I request the PEC deny the Town's ofVail's request to amend the CUP. The current plan
to move the 18th green and to expand the clubhouse to an event center capacity should not
be allowed. The Town should develop the clubhouse within the existing footprint. The
Town has failed to engage the golf course neighborhood and others concerned to
effectively plan this project. I appreciate you consideration regarding these issues and the
impact your decision will have for years to come.
Respectfully,
P+J~
Mr. Rufino Vigil
Concerned Vail Golf Course Property Owner