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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPEC120036 public comment forwarded 11/12/12 combined pdf format.pdfBill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24,20123:35 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations unit 20 From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2: 13 PM To: Council Dist List; CommDev Cc: Cynthia Scott Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations unit 20 Please see the letter from the owner of Vail Golfcourse Townhomes unit 20 below. Thank you. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: cynthia scott <scottmahaffyc1an@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 24,2012 at 1 :01 PM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Cc: commdev@vailgov.com, Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>, Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>, Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>, Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>, "James F. Tiampo" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, Jose Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, Juan M Garcia <aquevedo@notaria55.com>, Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "Waldo F. Geiger" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>, Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>, Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>, Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>, Dave and Lynne Creager <lynniebabermearthlink.net>, David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>, "Earl J. Rusnak, Jr." <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>, Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>, Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>, "John L. Griebling" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "Leonard 1. & Laura Berlik" <ljb59@verizon.net>, Luis Harvey <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>, Michael & Valerie Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie" <hglnyc@aol.com>, Rebeca JimeneZ-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>, Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>, Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>, Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>, "Robert W. Geyer" <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>, "Sergio 1. and Sara Armella" <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>, Spencer SwaIm <sswalm@twgservices.com>, Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>, Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>, Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>, Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>, Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>, Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis­ olson@comcast.net>, Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>, Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>, Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>, Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>, Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>, "Lee G. Schulman" <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>, Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@grnail.com>, Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>, "Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder" <mlippitt@uniqueprop.com>, "Michael S. Barish" <mbarish@cambiar.com>, "Philip L. Bernstein" <pbernstein@jacobstern.com> 1 Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also. We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this. We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of Vail. We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golf balls at all at our home. I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive ways. Thank you for listening! Sincerely, Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott Unit 20 On Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>wrote: Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4: 1 5 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. 2 First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you 3 would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, Alyne Kaplan "..lalia Cox Nobrega Crossroads R\:!a!ly Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 4 Cynthia Y. Scott 303-517-5117 Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 5 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:33 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: cynthia scott [mailto:scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:01 PM To: Malia Cox Nobrega Cc: CommDev; Alberto Abed; Alexander Bracken; Enrique R Miranda Paz; Eric Balzer; James F. Tiampo; Jose Lanzagorta; Juan M Garcia; Marvin Hein; Michael Grifflnger; Waldo F. Geiger; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan; Bernard Minkow; Bob Rule; Brooks and Linda Zug; Dave and Lynne Creager; David Zinni Earl J. Rusnak, Jr.; George Hallenbeck; Helen & Morris Ginsburg; James & Elaine Lunney; Jean Gordon; Jean Hall; Jeff & Adele Stalder; John & Penny Terhar; John and Susan Gowen; John L. Griebling; Jorge Conseco; Jorge Dunand; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik; Luis Harvey; Manuel Girault; Michael & Valerie Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos; Rene & Aurora Leon; Richard & Sandra Collier; Robert Trotta; Robert W. Geyeri Sergio J. and Sara Armella; Spencer Swaim; Steve & Brigid Wilkening; Susan Townsend; Arlene Bobrow; Bob and Liz Kivland; Brian Barishi Curtis and Kris Olson; Dennis Scioli; Donald Ferlic; Dunvil Properties LLC; Harry Stephenson; Kevin Murphy; Lee G. Schulman; Lyn Batcheller; Manuel Orvananosi Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder; Michael S. Barish; Philip L. Bernstein Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also. We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this. We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of VaiL We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golfballs at all at our home. I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive ways. Thank you for listening! Sincerely, Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott Unit 20 1 On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia(a),crossroadsvail.com> wrote: Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue {information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners} and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path 2 through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, 3 Alyne Kaplan :'dalia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Reall \' Ltd malia@crossroadsvaiLcom www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax Cynthia Y. Scott 303-517-5117 4 Bill Gibson From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20122:25 PM To: CommDev; Council Dist List Cc: Enrique R Miranda Paz Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from Enrique Miranda from Vail Golfcourse Townhome Unit 19. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx> Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com> Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>, "commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>, "alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com" <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "jtiampo@mbaI987.hbs.edu" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, "jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx" <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria55.com" <aguevedo@notaria5 5 .com>, "marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, "griffinger@gibbonslaw.com" <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, "awk3 569@gmail.com" <awk3 569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com" <bminkow@mac.com>, "bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com" <bzug@harbourvest.com>, "lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com" <ahhso@aol.com>, "ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, "george@hallenbeck.com" <george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com" <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, "JLunney@wealthstratgroup .com" <JL unney@wealthstratgroup.com>, "JMG412@aol.com" <JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, "j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com" <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, "j gowen@lgi.com" <j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngrie bling@comcast.net>, "jecanseco@sbcglobal.net" <j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrioni.com" <gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "ljb59@verizon.net" <ljb59@verizon.net>, "lharvey@nexxuscapital.com" <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, "manuel.girau1t@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx> We owns unit 19 at The Golf Course and we agree with the below mails. Mirathi SA de CV Sent from my iPhone On 22110/2012, at 11:49, Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote: 1 We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events will likely raise the opportunity for a bike I car accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we have on Sunburst Lane. I agree with the emails below, please reconsider. From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com] Sent: MondaYI October 22/ 20128:59 AM To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx; Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aquevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@haUenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.comi DANDJHALL@aol.comi j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Alyne. Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree. We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the continued quality of life in our town home community. Michael and Valerie Katz From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: MondaYI October 22, 2012 09:35 AM Central Standard Time To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com> Cc: Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aquevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>i Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>; Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager < Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnakl Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>; James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>; Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling 2 <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobaLnet>; Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey <Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>; Manuel Girault <manueLgirault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>; Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis­ olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@gmaiLcom>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein < pbernstein@jacobstern.com> Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general 3 use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubholJse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting 4 alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through tbis. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, 5 Alyne Kaplan Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 6 Bill Gibson From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:26 PM To: CommDev; Council Dist List Cc: Enrique R Miranda Paz Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from Enrique Miranda from Vail Golfcourse Townhome Unit 19. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx> Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com> Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>, "commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>, "alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com" <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "itiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu" <itiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, "iose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx" <i ose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com" <aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com>, "marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, "griffinger@gibbonslaw.com" <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, "awk3569@gmail.com" <awk3569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com" <bminkow@mac.com>, "bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com" <bzug@harbourvest.com>, "lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com" <ahhso@aol.com>, "ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, "george@hallenbeck.com" <george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com" <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, "JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com" <JL unney@wealthstratgroup.com>, "JMG412@aol.com" <JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, "i stalder@fsf-Iaw.com" <i stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, "j gowen@lgi.com" <j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, "j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net" <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrioni .com" <gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "ljb59@verizon.net" <ljb59@verizon.net>, "lharvey@nexxuscapital.com" <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, "manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx> We owns unit 19 at The Golf Course and we agree with the below mails. Mirathi SA de CV Sent from my iPhone On 22110/2012, at 11:49, Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote: 1 We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events will likely raise the opportunity for a bike I car accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we have on Sunburst Lane. I agree with the emails below, please reconsider. From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx; Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aguevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodjgy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.comi Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw.comi jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Alyne. Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree. We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the continued quality of life in our town home community. Michael and Valerie Katz From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 201209:35 AM Central Standard Time To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com> Cc: Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>; Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager <Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>; James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>; Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling 2 <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrionLcom>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey <Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>; Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>i Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>i Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>i Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>i Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis­ olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>i Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>i Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>i Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@gmail.com>i Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein <pbernstein@jacobstern.com> Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vall Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District. the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general 3 use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting 4 alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues 'from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, 5 Alyne Kaplan Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 6 Bill Gibson From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:38 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:41 PM To: Council Dist List; CommDev Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please below email from unit 41 owner at Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Luis Harvey M <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com> Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 11 :22 AM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com> Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>, "commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>, "alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com" <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "emiranda@miranda.com.mx" <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>, "jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, "jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx" <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com" <aquevedo@notaria55.com>, "marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, "griffinger@gibbonslaw.com" <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, "awk3569@gmail.com" <awk3 569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com" <bminkow@mac.com>, "bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com" <bzug@harbourvest.com>, "lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com" <ahhso@aol.com>, "ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, "george@hallenbeck.com" <george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com" <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, "JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com" <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, "JMG412@aol.com" <JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, "j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com" <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, "j gowen@lgLcom" <j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, "jecanseco@sbcglobal.net" <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrionLcom" <gdunand@ferrionLcom>, "ljb59@verizon.net" <ljb59@verizon.net>, "manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx> I am the owner of unit 41. I atrongly agree with the comments below. I hope the town reconsiders its plans. Regards Luis Alberto Harvey Nexxus Capital, S.A. de C.V. Vasco de Quiroga # 3880, piso 2 Santa Fe, D.F. 05348 1 Phone: +52-555-292-3400 US Phone: + 1-646-415-8719 Email: lharvey@nexxuscapital.com Sent from my iPhone On 2211012012, at 11:50, "Eric Balzer" <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote: We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events will likely raise the opportunity for a bike Jcar accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we have on Sunburst lane. I agree with the emails below, please reconsider. From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM To: malia@crossroadsvail.comi commdev@vailgov.com Cc: flymex042752@aol.comi alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.comi emiranda@miranda.com.mx; Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mxi aguevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.neti awk3569@gmail.comi bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.comi Iynniebabe@earthlink.neti ahhso@aol.comi ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.comi george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.comi JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.comi j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.comi jgowen@lgi.comi ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.comi Ijb59@verizon.neti Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Alyne. Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree. We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the continued quality of life in our town home community. Michael and Valerie Katz From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 09:35 AM Central Standard Time To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com> Cc: Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>i Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>i Cynthia Scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger 2 <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>; Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager <Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George Hallenbeck <george@halienbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>i James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>i Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>; Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf~law.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling <nqrieblinq@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey <Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>i Manuel Girault <manuel.qirault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie <hqlnyc@aol.com>i Rebeca JimeneZ-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>i Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>i Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>i Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>i Robert W. Geyer <rwqeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>i Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis~ olson@comcast.net>; Dennis SCioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>i Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@gmail.com>i Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>i Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein <pbernstein@jacobstern.com> Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District. the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. 3 First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. Ijust don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over 4 time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. 5 Sincerely. Alyne Kaplan Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax Este mensaje y sus anexos son confidenciales. Si usted no es el destinatario, Ie suplicamos notificarlo al remitente y no utilizarIo, copiario 0 divulgar su contenido. Muchas gracias. This e­ mail and its attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender and do not use them, copy or disclose their contents. Thank you Este mensaje y sus anexos son confidenciaies. Si usted no es el destinatario, Ie suplicamos notificarlo al remitente y no utilizarIo, copiario 0 divulgar su contenido. Muchas gracias. This e-mail and its attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender and do not use them, copy or disclose their contents. Thank you Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd 6 malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 7 Bill Gibson From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20122:40 PM To: CommDev; Council Dist List Cc: Jean Hall Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see below from owner of Vail Golfcourse Townhome unit 32 ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: <DANDJHALL@aol.com> Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 11 :06 AM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: malia@crossroadsvail.com Great letter. Thanks for forwarding it. Jean Hall In a message dated 10/22120129:35:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, malia@crossroadsvail.com writes: Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (Information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. 1 I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving {15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. 2 I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, Alyne Kaplan Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cell u lar 970-479-9534 fax Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 3 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:26 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Cou rse Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20123:53 PM To: CommDev; Council Dist List Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from Vail Golfcourse Townhome owner of unit 53. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 3:49 PM Subject: FW: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia..As you know we have been in the Vail valley for thirty years and in our present location since 1984. I have read Alyne's comments and agree with all of them and I don't think I could express them any better. Please forward. Morris and Helen Ginsburg Morris Ginsburg H&M Mortgage Manager Phone: 303-221-3200 x104 Fax: 303-221-2744 Email: morrisginsburg@mindspring.com From: Eric Balzer [mailto:Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:49 AM To: Michael Katz; malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aguevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; waliygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; 1 jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx Subject: RE: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events will likely raise the opportunity for a bike / car accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we have on Sunburst Lane. I agree with the emails below, please reconsider. From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com] Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com Cc: f1ymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx; Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mxi aquevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.comi JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.qirault@avemex.com.mx Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Alyne. Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree. We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the continued quality of life in our town home community. Michael and Valerie Katz From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 201209:35 AM Central Standard Time To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com> Cc: Alberto Abed <f1ymex042752@aol.com>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aquevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@qibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger <wallygeiqer@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@qmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>; Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager <Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERU5NAK@harrisassoc.com>; George 2 Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>; James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>i Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol,com>; Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey <Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>i Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>; Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>i Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cwsa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>i Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>i Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail,com>i Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis-olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>i Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>i Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@gmail,com>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein <pbernstein@jacobstern.com> Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from one ofthe homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvaiLcom> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue {information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners} and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District 3 has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School). the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. 4 I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course T own homes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, Alyne Kaplan 5 Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 6 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:28 AM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@erossroadsvail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:38 PM To: Council Dist List; CommDev Cc: Donald Ferlie Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations Please see the below email from the owner ofunit 64 from the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: <SF8888@aol.com> Date: Tue, Oct 23,2012 at 11 :48 AM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: malia@crossroadsvail.com, commdev@vailgov.com Cc: flymex04 275 2@aol.com, alexander. bracken@cusys.edu, scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com, emiranda@miranda.com.mx, eric. balzer@ramtron.com, jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu, jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx, aquevedo@notaria55.com, marvin.c.hein@gmail.com, griffinger@gibbonslaw.com, wallygei ger@prodigy.net, awk3569@gmail.com, bminkow@mac.com, bobrule@hotmail.com, bzug@harbourvest.com, lynniebabe@earthlink.net, ahhso@aol.com, ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com, george@hallenbeck.com, morrisginsburg@mindspring.com, JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com, JMG412@aol.com, DANDJHALL@aol.com, j stalder@fsf-law.com, jterhar@sthmotors.com, jgowen@lgi.com, ngriebling@comcast.net, jecanseco@sbcglobal.net, gdunand@ferrioni.com, Ijb59@verizon.net, Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com, manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx, mkatz@mkreg.com, hglnyc@aol.com, rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com, reneleon@erreele.com.mx, dads4wood@hotmail.com, bob@resort.co.uk, rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com, sergio armella@cyvsa.com, sswalm@twgservices.com, BrigidWilkening@aol.com, drsusantownsend@gmail.com, asbobrow@yahoo.com, bilinreilly@yahoo.com, eabarish@gmail.com, curtis-olson@comcast.net, gemvest@yahoo.com, dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx, hcseyemd@aol.com, kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net, veinsonline l@yahoo.com, batch.joe@gmail.com, maneorva@prodigy.net.mx, mlippitt@uniqueprop.com, mbarish@cambiar.com, pbernstein@jacobstern.com Dear All, As owner of golfcourse townhome #64 I appreciate the well thought out and well expressed letter. I feel it does convey our feelings very well, and I urge the town to reconsider their ambitious plans and the potentially negative impact their ideas would create to the golf club area neighborhood. Sincerely, Sharon Ferlic Malia Cox Nobrega 1 Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977 -1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 2 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:28 AM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations From: SF8888@aol.com [mailto:SF8888@aol,com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23,2012 11:49 AM To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; CommDev Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander,bracken@cusys,edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda,com,mx; eric,balzer@ramtron,com; jtiampo@mba1987,hbs,edu; jose,lanzagorta@avemex,com,mx; aquevedo@notaria55,com; marvin,c,hein@gmail,com; griffinger@gibbonslaw,com; wallygeiger@prodigy,net; awk3569@gmail,com; bminkow@mac,com; bobrule@hotmail,com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink,net; ahhso@aol,com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc,com; george@hallenbeck,com; morrisginsburg@mindspring,com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup,com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw,com; jterhar@sthmotors,com; jgowen@lgi,com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal,net; gdunand@ferrioni,com; Ijb59@verizon,net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital,com; manuel,girault@avemex,com,mx; mkatz@mkreg,com; hglnyc@aol,com; rebecajimguerra@yahoo,com; reneleon@erreele,com,mx; dads4wood@hotmail,com; bob@resort,co,uk; rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup,com; sergio armella@cyvsa,com; sswalm@twgservices,com; BrigidWilkening@aol.com; drsusantownsend@gmail.com; asbobrow@yahoo,com; bilinreilly@yahoo,com; eabarish@gmail.com; curtis­ olson@comcast.net; gemvest@yahoo,com; dVilchis@casasarko,com,mx; hcseyemd@aol,com; kevin,p,murphy@comcast.net; veinsonlinel@yahoo,com; batch,joe@gmail,com; maneorva@prodigy,net.mx; mlippitt@uniqueprop,com; mbarish@cambiar,com; pbernstein@jacobstern,com Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations Dear All, As owner of golfcourse townhome #64 I appreciate the well thought out and well expressed letter. I feel it does convey our feelings very well, and I urge the town to reconsider their ambitious plans and the potentially negative impact their ideas would create to the golf club area neighborhood. Sincerely, Sharon Ferlic 1 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:35 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations unit 20 From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 20122:13 PM To: Council Dist List; CommDev Cc: Cynthia Scott Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations unit 20 Please see the letter from the owner ofVail Golfcourse Townhomes unit 20 below. Thank you. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: cynthia scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 24,2012 at 1 :01 PM Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Cc: commdev@vailgov.com, Alberto Abed <f1ymex042752@aol.com>, Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>, Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>, Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>, "James F. Tiampo" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, Jose Lanzagorta <jose.1anzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>, Marvin Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "Waldo F. Geiger" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>, Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>, Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>, Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>, Dave and Lynne Creager <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, David Zinn <ahbso@aol.com>, "Earl J. Rusnak, Jr." <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>, Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, Jean Gordon <JMG412@ao1.com>, Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>, "John L. Griebling" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, Jorge Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "Leonard J. & Laura Berlik" <ljb59@verizon.net>, Luis Harvey <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>, Michael & Valerie Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie" <hglnyc@aol.com>, Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>, Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>, Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>, Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>, "Robert W. Geyer" <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>, "Sergio J. and Sara Annella" <sergio annella@cyvsa.com>, Spencer SwaIm <sswalm@twgservices.com>, Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>, Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>, Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>, Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>, Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>, Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis­ olson@comcast.net>, Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>, Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>, Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>, Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@ao1.com>, Kevin Murphy <kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>, "Lee G. Schulman" <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>, Lyn Batcheller <batch.joe@gmail.com>, Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>, "Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder" <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>, "Michael S. Barish" <mbarish@cambiar.com>, "Philip L. Bernstein" <pbernstein@jacobstern.com> 1 Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also. We are thrilled about the much needed renovation ofthe GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this. We have o'Wlled Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into to'Wll to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of Vail. We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part ofthis and use our bikes almost exclusively when we are in to'Wll in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal ofthe neighborhood would diminish greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golfballs at all at our home. I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive ways. Thank you for listening! Sincerely, Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott Unit 20 On Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> wrote: Please see the below email from one ofthe homeo'Wllers at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thank you I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. 2 First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you 3 I would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, Alyne Kaplan Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 oflicc 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 hlX 4 Cynthia Y. Scott 303-517-5117 Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com www.searchvailmls.com 970-476-4300 office 970-977-1041 cellular 970-479-9534 fax 5 Bill Gibson From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:33 PM To: Bill Gibson Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations -----Original Message----­ From: Eric Balzer [mailto:Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24,2012 1:28 PM To: cynthia scott Cc: Malia Cox Nobrega; CommDev; Alberto Abed; Alexander Bracken; Enrique R Miranda Paz; James F. Tiampo; Jose lanzagorta; Juan M Garcia; Marvin Hein; Michael Griffinger; Waldo F. Geiger; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan; Bernard Minkow; Bob Rule; Brooks and Linda Zug; Dave and lynne Creager; David Zinn; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr.; George Hallenbeck; Helen & Morris Ginsburg; James & Elaine Lunney; Jean Gordon; Jean Hall; Jeff & Adele Stalder; John & Penny Terhar; John and Susan Gowen; John L. Griebling; Jorge Conseco; Jorge Dunand; leonard J. & laura Berlik; luis Harvey; Manuel Girault; Michael & Valerie Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. leslie; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos; Rene & Aurora leon; Richard & Sandra Collier; Robert Trotta; Robert W. Geyer; Sergio J. and Sara Armella; Spencer Swaim; Steve & Brigid Wilkening; Susan Townsend; Arlene Bobrow; Bob and Liz Kivland; Brian Barish; Curtis and Kris Olson; Dennis Scioli; Donald Ferlic; Dunvil Properties LlC; Harry Stephenson; Kevin Murphy; lee G. Schulman; lyn Batcheller; Manuel Orvananos; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder; Michael S. Barish; Philip L Bernstein Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations Well put!!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:01 PM, "cynthia scott" <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com<mailto:scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com» wrote: Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also. We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the Golf/Nordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this. We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of Vail. We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golf balls at all at our home. I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive ways. 1 Thank you for listening! Sincerely, Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott Unit 20 On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com<mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com» wrote: Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes. ----------Forwarded message ---------­ From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com<mailto:awk3569@gmail.com» Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM Subject: Golf Course Renovations To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com<mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com» Malia Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations. Thankyou I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in lionshead. Our property manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area. First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners. I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison. Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I donlt know all the specifics or ifthe position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the 2 parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well. I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue. I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process. Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this. I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually. Sincerely, Alyne Kaplan 3 I Malia Cox Nobrega Crossroads Realty Ltd malia@crossroadsvail.com<mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com> www.searchvailmls.com<http://www.searchvailmls.com> 970-476-4300<tel:970-476-4300> office 970-977-1041<tel:970-977 -1041> cellular 970-479-9534<tel:970-479-9534> fax Cynthia Y. Scott 303-517-5117 4