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TO: Planning and Environmental Commission
FROM: Community Development Department
DATE: November 12, 2012
SUBJECT: A request for the review of amendments to a conditional use permit, pursuant to
Section 12-16-10, Amendment Procedures, Vail Town Code, to allow for the
redevelopment of the Vail Golf Course Club House (i.e. accessory buildings,
permanent and temporary, and uses customarily incidental and accessory to
permitted or conditional outdoor recreational uses, and necessary for the
operation thereof, including restrooms, drinking fountains, bleachers,
concessions, storage buildings, and similar uses), located at 1775 Sunburst
Drive/Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3 and Unplatted Parcels (a complete metes and
bounds description is available at the Community Development Department
Office), and setting forth details in regard thereto. (PEC120036)
Applicant: Town of Vail, represented by Greg Hall
Planner: Bill Gibson
A request for a recommendation to the Vail Town Council for a zone district
boundary amendment, pursuant to Section 12-3-7, Amendment, Vail Town Code,
to allow for a rezoning of the Vail Golf Course parking lot from the General Use
District to the Outdoor Recreation District, located at 1775 Sunburst Drive/Lot 3,
Sunburst Filing 3, and setting forth details in regard thereto. (PEC120037)
Applicant: Town of Vail, represented by Greg Hall
Planner: Bill Gibson
A request for a recommendation to the Vail Town Council on prescribed
regulation amendments, pursuant to Section 12-3-7, Amendment, Vail Town
Code, to allow for amendments to Section 12-8B-7, Height, Vail Town Code, to
increase the allowable building height within the Outdoor Recreation District, and
setting forth details in regard thereto. (PEC120039)
Applicant: Town of Vail, represented by Greg Hall
Planner: Bill Gibson
Applicant: Town of Vail
Planner: Bill Gibson
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I. SUMMARY
The applicant, Town of Vail, has submitted three separate; but related, development
applications for the Planning and Environmental Commission’s review to facilitate the
renovation of the Vail Golf Course clubhouse:
• Zone district boundary amendment to rezone the golf course parking lot from the
General Use (GU) District to the Outdoor Recreation (OR) District.
• Prescribed regulation amendment to allow building heights of up to 33 feet for
sloping roofs within the Outdoor Recreation (OR) District.
• Conditional use permit amendments to allow for the redevelopment of the Vail
Golf Course Club House.
Based upon Staff’s review of the criteria outlined in Section IX of this memorandum and
the evidence and testimony presented, the Community Development Department
recommends the Planning and Environmental Commission forwards a
recommendation of approval to the Vail Town Council for the proposed zone district
boundary amendment application, subject to the findings noted in Section X of this
memorandum.
Based upon Staff’s review of the criteria outlined in Section IX of this memorandum and
the evidence and testimony presented, the Community Development Department
recommends the Planning and Environmental Commission forwards a
recommendation of approval to the Vail Town Council for the prescribed regulation
amendment application, subject to the findings noted in Section X of this memorandum.
Based upon Staff’s review of the criteria outlined in Section IX of this memorandum and
the evidence and testimony presented, the Community Development Department
recommends the Planning and Environmental Commission approves, with conditions,
the amendments to a conditional use permit application, subject to the findings noted in
Section X of this memorandum.
II. DESCRIPTION OF THE REQUEST
The applicant, Town of Vail, is proposing to renovate the Vail Golf Course clubhouse.
This proposal involves three development applications subject to Planning and
Environmental Commission review:
• Zone district boundary amendment to rezone the golf course parking lot from the
General Use (GU) District to the Outdoor Recreation (OR) District.
• Prescribed regulation amendments to allow building heights of up to 33 feet for
sloping roofs in the Outdoor Recreation (OR) District.
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• Conditional use permit amendments to allow for the redevelopment of the Vail
Golf Course clubhouse.
ZONE DISTRICT BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
The applicant is proposing a zone district boundary amendment to rezone Lot 3,
Sunburst Filing 3 from the General Use District to the Outdoor Recreation District. Lot 3
includes a portion of the existing golf course parking lot and is zoned General Use
District. The adjacent areas of the Vail Golf Course, including the clubhouse and the
remainder of the parking lot, are zoned Outdoor Recreation District. This proposal
consolidates the clubhouse and parking lot areas of the golf course into one zone
district.
PRESCRIBED REGULATION AMENDMENT
The applicant is proposing to increase the allowable building height limit within the
Outdoor Recreation District through amendments to Section 12-8B-7, Height, Vail Town
Code. Based upon the applicant’s request (Attachment B), the applicant is proposing
the following amendment (text to be added is in bold):
“12-8B-7: HEIGHT: For a flat roof or mansard roof, the height of buildings shall not
exceed twenty one feet (21'). For a sloping roof, the height of buildings shall not
exceed twenty four feet (24'). For golf course club houses, for a flat or mansard
roof, the height of buildings shall not exceed thirty feet (30’'). For a sloping
roof, the height of buildings shall not exceed thirty-three feet (33’).”
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT
As identified in the applicant’s request (Attachment B), the proposed golf course
clubhouse renovation involves numerous project elements including the following:
• “Dedicated Banquet Room with a capacity for 200 people,
• Pre-convene space sufficient to support the Banquet Room,
• The common areas, restrooms, elevator and stairs to be shared throughout the
building, however there will be separate entrances for the Banquet Room and the
recreation uses.
• A grill/bar sized for +/-40 people plus outdoor/deck space,
• A kitchen sized to serve the grill and a separate “warming kitchen” space for the
Banquet Room,
• Arrival to Golf/ pro shop and Nordic space at the parking lot level,
• Project design that provides for both winter and summer use to a finished quality
expected for Vail guests,
• The separation of uses and enhancement of circulation throughout site and
within the building,
• Location of golf course finish area on the east side of the building in order to
encourage golfers to exit through the grill/pro shop,
• Clarification of circulation and entry on the front side of the building,
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• Maintain approximate existing building square footages while increasing the
efficiency and functionality of the building,
• Two-story tall (4 level) building, and
• Reuse of as much of the existing building structure, which is critical to maintain
the original project budget.”
To clarify, the three subject development applications have no bearing on whether the
existing 18th hole will be realigned/reconfigured or if the Hole #18 green or tee boxes will
be relocated. The decision to move Hole #18 was made by the property owner, the Vail
Town Council, based upon safety concerns and other factors not relevant to the three
development applications before the Planning and Environmental Commission.
A vicinity map (Attachment A), the applicant’s request (Attachment B), applicant’s
response to PEC questions from the October 22nd hearing (Attachment C), the
proposed rezoning map (Attachment D), Outdoor Recreation District Map (Attachment
E), Management and Operations Plan (Attachment F), proposed plans (Attachment G),
traffic report (Attachment H), preliminary drainage report (Attachment I) photographs
(Attachment J), and written public comment received since the Commission’s October
22nd hearing (Attachment K) have been attached for review and inclusion in the record.
III. BACKGROUND
The Vail Golf Course was constructed under Eagle County jurisdiction in the 1960’s.
In 1972, the subject portions of the Vail Golf Course (clubhouse and parking lot sites)
were annexed into the Town of Vail through Ordinance No. 5, Series of 1972. While it is
not clear from the Town’s archives, the golf course clubhouse site appears to have been
subsequently zoned Agriculture District.
In 1973, the Town of Vail approved a final plat for the Sunburst at Vail Subdivision
which included the golf course parking lot property.
On August 7, 1973, the Town of Vail adopted Ordinance No. 8, Series of 1973, which
established comprehensive zoning regulations for the Town of Vail. In establishing
comprehensive regulations, this ordinance created 12 new zone districts including the
Agriculture and Open Space District. The golf course clubhouse was site subsequently
rezoned to the Agriculture and Open Space District. This ordinance also established
Special Development District No. 1 for the “Sunburst Development”, which included the
golf course parking lot property.
On August 16, 1977, the Town of Vail adopted Ordinance No. 17, Series of 1977, which
rezoned the golf course parking lot property from Special Development District No. 1 to
the Public Use District.
On September 14, 1977, the Town of Vail approved the Sunburst Filing 2 plat which
established the golf course parking lot property as Lot 3. On December 20, 1977, the
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Town of Vail approved the final plat for Sunburst Filing 3, a re-subdivision of Sunburst
Filing 2.
In January of 1984, the Town of Vail purchased the Vail Golf Course property from the
Pulis Ranch.
On October 4, 1994, the Town of Vail adopted Ordinance No. 21, Series of 1994. In
part, this ordinance repealed the Public Use District and reestablished it as the General
Use District. This ordinance also established a new zone district named the Outdoor
Recreation District.
On November 7, 1995, the Vail Town Council adopted Ordinance No. 19, Series of
1995, which rezoned 67 properties to the Natural Area Preservation District, Outdoor
Recreation District, or General Use District. Portions of the Vail Golf Course were
rezoned from the Agriculture and Open Space District to the new Outdoor Recreation
District. This ordinance also amended the Outdoor Recreation District to allow “golf
course” as a permitted use.
In 2000, the Vail Jr. Hockey Association, Vail Recreation District, and Town of Vail
proposed constructing a seasonal ice rink at the Vail Golf Course driving range. To
facilitate construction of the proposed seasonal ice rink, three development applications
were submitted: minor subdivision, rezoning, and a conditional use permit.
On September 25, 2000, the Planning and Environmental Commission approved a final
plat to subdivide the golf course clubhouse and driving range sites into a new Vail Golf
Course Clubhouse Subdivision and a conditional use permit for the construction of a
seasonal ice rink. The Commission forwarded a recommendation of approval to the
Vail Town Council for the proposed rezoning of the clubhouse and driving range from
Outdoor Recreation District to General Use District.
On April 17, 2001, the Vail Town Council adopted Ordinance No. 9, Series of 2001, to
rezone the Vail Golf Course Clubhouse Subdivision from Outdoor Recreation District to
the General Use District.
Adjacent property owners opposed to the seasonal ice rink subsequently filed an appeal
of the ice rink approvals. A court decision on the appeal nullified the rezoning of the golf
course club house and driving range due to procedural errors. The merits of the
rezoning were not reviewed by the court.
The Vail Golf Course Clubhouse Subdivision final plat was not executed and recorded
within the one-year timeframe prescribed by the Planning and Environmental
Commission, so the Commission’s approval of the plat expired.
Rather than pursuing the rezoning of the golf course clubhouse and driving range
further, the Vail Jr. Hockey Associated, Vail Recreation District, and Town of Vail chose
instead to propose amendments to the Outdoor Recreation District to allow the
seasonal ice rink at the golf course driving range.
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On October 14, 2002, the Planning and Environmental Commission approved a
conditional use permit for the seasonal ice rink contingent upon the Vail Town Council’s
approval of amendments of the Outdoor Recreation District. On November 5, 2002, the
Vail Town Council adopted Ordinance No. 29, Series of 2002, which allowed a
“seasonal use or structure” as a conditional use in the Outdoor Recreation District.
On November 8, 2011, the Town of Vail electorate approved ballot question #1 which
stated:
“Without increasing taxes, shall the Town of Vail use the remainder of the one
and one-half percent lodging tax revenues and one-half percent sales tax
revenues collected from January 1, 2003 through December 31, 2005 to fund the
following projects that will promote recreation, promote tourism and support the
economy in the Town of Vail:
Expansion and improvement of the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic
Center, including multi-use community space;
Field expansion and restroom renovation at the Ford Park Sports Complex; and
Ford Amphitheater improvements, including outdoor seating and restroom
improvements?”
On April 16, 2012, the Town of Vail (golf course property owner), in cooperation with the
Vail Recreation District (golf course operator), submitted a final plat application and a
rezoning application intended to facilitate future renovations to the Vail Golf Course
clubhouse building in response to the 2011 election.
On May 14, 2012, the Planning and Environmental Commission approved a final plat
creating the Vail Golf Course Clubhouse Parcel and forwarded a recommendation of
approval to the Vail Town Council for the rezoning of the golf course clubhouse site
from Outdoor Recreation District to General Use District. Based upon subsequent public
input, the applicant has withdrawn those applications.
Prior to submitting new development applications for renovating the Vail Golf Course
clubhouse, the Vail Town Council and the Vail Recreation District held multiple public
hearings and community open houses to obtain additional public input on a variety of
golf course related issues and proposals, including: a re-zoning process for the site,
proposed parameters for use of temporary tents on the clubhouse site, possible uses for
the existing 18th green following realignment of the hole, parking lot access, netting for
the driving range, clubhouse remodel design, including site layout, landscaping,
circulation, floor plans and elevations, etc.
On September 24, 2012, the Town of Vail, in cooperation with the Vail Recreation
District, submitted the subject zone district boundary amendment, prescribed regulation
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amendments, and conditional use permit amendment applications to facilitate
renovations to the Vail Golf Course clubhouse.
On October 11, 2012, the Town of Vail and the Vail Recreation District were notified of a
complaint filed by adjacent property owners in Eagle County District Court alleging the
golf course renovation project violates an existing covenant on the golf course property,
among other claims. At this time, the lawsuit does not prevent the Planning and
Environmental Commission’s review of the three submitted development applications.
On October 22, 2012, the Planning and Environmental Commission held a public
hearing to discuss the three submitted applications. The applicant introduced the golf
course clubhouse project, public testimony was heard, the Commission asked questions
of the applicant, and the public hearing was continued to this meeting.
At its November 7, 2012, public hearing the Design Review Board held a conceptual
review of the proposed clubhouse renovation. The applicant introduced the golf course
clubhouse project, public testimony was heard, the Board asked questions of the
applicant. The following is a summary of the conceptual comments from the Design
Review Board:
• The Board was generally complimentary of the building design direction and the
proposed landscaping plan.
• The clubhouse should have traditional, mountain architecture detailing; rather
than contemporary, mountain architecture detailing.
• There needs to be are consistent architectural theme among all the golf course
buildings.
• The proposed primary roof ridge should be “broken up” with a ridgeline step,
dormer, architectural projection, or some other method.
• The north elevation of the clubhouse building should be more decorative.
• Exterior signage should be considered at this time and not at the end of the
project design development.
• The vehicle entrance should be visually enhanced to reduce confusion about
which driveway should be used to enter the site.
• Electric power should be incorporated into the landscape plan to facilitate the
lighting of a “holiday tree” or trees.
IV. ROLES OF THE REVIEWING BODIES
Planning and Environmental Commission:
The Planning and Environmental Commission is responsible for forwarding a
recommendation to the Vail Town Council of approval, approval with modifications,
or denial of zone district boundary amendment applications and prescribed
regulation amendment applications, in accordance with the provisions of Section
12-3-7, Amendment, Vail Town Code,
The Planning and Environmental Commission is responsible for final approval,
approval with modifications, or denial of a conditional use permit application, in
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accordance with the provisions of Chapter 12-16, Conditional Use Permits, Vail
Town Code.
Design Review Board:
The Design Review Board has no review authority over a zone district boundary
amendment, prescribed regulation amendment, or conditional use permit
amendment application. However, the Design Review Board is responsible for the
final approval, approval with modifications, or denial of any accompanying design
review application.
Town Council:
The Town Council has the authority to hear and decide appeals from any decision,
determination, or interpretation by the Planning and Environmental Commission
and/or Design Review Board. The Town Council may also call up a decision of
the Planning and Environmental Commission and/or Design Review Board under
certain conditions.
V. APPLICABLE REGULATIONS
VAIL LAND USE PLAN
CHAPTER II: LAND USE PLAN GOALS / POLICIES (in part)
The goals articulated here reflect the desires of the citizenry as expressed through the
series of public meetings that were held throughout the project. A set of initial goals
were developed which were then substantially revised after different types of opinions
were brought out in the second meeting. The goal statements were developed to reflect
a general consensus once the public had had the opportunity to reflect on the concepts
and ideas initially presented. The goal statements were then revised through the review
process with the Task Force, the Planning and Environmental Commission and Town
Council and now represent policy guidelines in the review process for new development
proposals. These goal statements should be used in conjunction with the adopted Land
Use Plan map, in the evaluation of any development proposal.
The goal statements which are reflected in the design of the proposed Plan are as
follows:
1. General Growth / Development
1.1 Vail should continue to grow in a controlled environment, maintaining a
balance between residential, commercial and recreational uses to serve both the
visitor and the permanent resident.
1.3 The quality of development should be maintained and upgraded whenever
possible.
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1.10 Development of Town owned lands by the Town of Vail (other than parks
and open space) may be permitted where no high hazards exist, if such
development is for public use.
1.12 Vail should accommodate most of the additional growth in existing
developed areas (in fill areas).
2. Skier / Tourist Concerns
2.1 The community should emphasize its role as a destination resort while
accommodating day visitors.
2.4 The community should improve summer recreational options to improve year-
round tourism.
2.5 The community should non-skier recreational options to improve year-round
tourism.
6. Community Services
6.1 Services should keep pace with increased growth.
6.2 The Town of Vail should play a role in future development through balancing
growth with services.
6.3 Services should be adjusted to keep pace with the needs of peak periods.
CHAPTER VI: PROPOSED LAND USE (IN PART)
P – Parks:
Included in this category are town owned parcels intended for both active
recreation activities such as athletic fields, golf courses and playgrounds, as well
as areas for various passive recreation activities.
TITLE 12: ZONING REGULATIONS
Chapter 12-1: Title, Purpose, Applicability (in part)
12-1-2: Purpose:
A. General: These regulations are enacted for the purpose of promoting the
health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the town, and to promote the
coordinated and harmonious development of the town in a manner that will
conserve and enhance its natural environment and its established character as a
resort and residential community of high quality.
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B. Specific: These regulations are intended to achieve the following more specific
purposes:
1. To provide for adequate light, air, sanitation, drainage, and public facilities.
2. To secure safety from fire, panic, flood, avalanche, accumulation of snow,
and other dangerous conditions.
3. To promote safe and efficient pedestrian and vehicular traffic circulation
and to lessen congestion in the streets.
4. To promote adequate and appropriately located off street parking and
loading facilities.
5. To conserve and maintain established community qualities and economic
values.
6. To encourage a harmonious, convenient, workable relationship among
land uses, consistent with municipal development objectives.
7. To prevent excessive population densities and overcrowding of the land
with structures.
8. To safeguard and enhance the appearance of the town.
9. To conserve and protect wildlife, streams, woods, hillsides, and other
desirable natural features.
10. To assure adequate open space, recreation opportunities, and other
amenities and facilities conducive to desired living quarters.
11. To otherwise provide for the growth of an orderly and viable community.
Chapter 12-2: Definitions (in part)
LOT OR SITE: A parcel of land occupied or intended to be occupied by a use,
building, or structure under the provisions of this title and meeting the minimum
requirements of this title. A lot or site may consist of a single lot of record, a
portion of a lot of record, a combination of lots of record or portions thereof, or a
parcel of land described by metes and bounds.
Article 12-8B: Outdoor Recreation District
Section 12-8B-1: Purpose
The outdoor recreation district is intended to preserve undeveloped or open
space lands from intensive development while permitting outdoor recreational
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activities that provide opportunities for active and passive recreation areas,
facilities and uses.
12-8B-2: Permitted Uses
The following uses shall be permitted in the OR district:
Bicycle and pedestrian paths.
Golf courses.
Interpretive nature walks.
Nature preserves.
Passive outdoor recreation areas and open spaces.
12-8B-3: Conditional Uses
The following conditional uses shall be permitted, subject to issuance of a
conditional use permit in accordance with the provisions of chapter 16 of this title:
Accessory buildings (permanent and temporary) and uses customarily incidental
and accessory to permitted or conditional outdoor recreational uses, and
necessary for the operation thereof, including restrooms, drinking fountains,
bleachers, concessions, storage buildings, and similar uses.
Cemeteries.
Communications antennas and appurtenant equipment.
Equestrian trails, used only to access national forest system lands.
Public parks and active public outdoor recreation areas and uses, excluding
buildings.
Public utility and public service uses.
Seasonal use or structure.
Ski lifts, tows and runs.
Well water treatment facilities
12-8B-4: Accessory Uses
The following accessory uses shall be permitted in the OR district:
Accessory uses in the OR district are subject to conditional use permit review in
accordance with the provisions of chapter 16 of this title.
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12-8B-5: Lot Area And Site Dimensions:
Not applicable in the OR district.
12-8B-6: Setbacks:
In the OR district, the minimum setback shall be twenty feet (20') from all
property lines, except as may be further restricted by the planning and
environmental commission in conjunction with the issuance of a conditional use
permit in accordance with the provisions of chapter 16 of this title.
12-8B-7: Height:
For a flat roof or mansard roof, the height of buildings shall not exceed twenty
one feet (21'). For a sloping roof, the height of buildings shall not exceed twenty
four feet (24').
12-8B-8: Density:
Not applicable in the OR district.
12-8B-9: Site Coverage:
Site coverage shall not exceed five percent (5%) of the total site area.
12-8B-10: Landscaping And Site Development:
Landscape requirements shall be determined by the design review board in
accordance with chapter 11 of this title.
12-8B-11: Parking:
Off street parking shall be provided in accordance with chapter 10 of this title.
12-8B-12: Additional Development Standards:
Additional regulations pertaining to site development standards and the
development of land in the outdoor recreation district are found in chapter 14 of
this title.
Article 12-9C: General Use District (in part)
Section 12-9C-1: Purpose
The general use district is intended to provide sites for public and quasi-public
uses which, because of their special characteristics, cannot be appropriately
regulated by the development standards prescribed for other zoning districts, and
for which development standards especially prescribed for each particular
development proposal or project are necessary to achieve the purposes
prescribed in section 12-1-2 of this title and to provide for the public welfare. The
general use district is intended to ensure that public buildings and grounds and
certain types of quasi-public uses permitted in the district are appropriately
located and designed to meet the needs of residents and visitors to Vail, to
harmonize with surrounding uses, and, in the case of buildings and other
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structures, to ensure adequate light, air, open spaces, and other amenities
appropriate to the permitted types of uses.
12-9C-2: Permitted Uses
The following uses shall be permitted in the GU district:
Bicycle and pedestrian paths.
Communications antennas and appurtenant equipment.
Employee housing units, as further regulated by chapter 13 of this title.
Passive outdoor recreation areas, and open space.
12-9C-3: Conditional Uses
A. Generally: The following conditional uses shall be permitted in the GU district,
subject to issuance of a conditional use permit in accordance with the provisions
of chapter 16 of this title:
Child daycare centers.
Equestrian trails.
Golf courses.
Healthcare facilities.
Helipad for emergency and/or community use.
Major arcades.
Plant and tree nurseries, and associated structures, excluding the sale of
trees or other nursery products, grown, produced or made on the
premises.
Public and private parks and active outdoor recreation areas, facilities and
uses.
Public and private schools.
Public and quasi-public indoor community facilities.
Public buildings and grounds.
Public parking structure.
Public theaters, meeting rooms and convention facilities.
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Public tourist/guest service related facilities.
Public transportation terminals.
Public unstructured parking.
Public utility and public service uses.
Religious institutions.
Seasonal structures or uses to accommodate educational, recreational or
cultural activities.
Ski lifts, tows and runs.
Water and sewage treatment plants.
B. Proximity To Parking Required: The following conditional uses shall be
permitted in accordance with the issuance of a conditional use permit, provided
such use is accessory to a parking structure:
Offices.
Restaurants.
Ski and bike storage facilities.
Sundries shops.
Tourist/guest service related facilities.
Transit/shuttle services.
12-9C-4: Accessory Uses
The following accessory uses shall be permitted in the GU district:
Minor arcades.
Other uses customarily incidental and accessory to permitted or conditional uses,
and necessary for the operation thereof, with the exception of buildings.
12-9C-5: Development Standards
A. Prescribed By Planning And Environmental Commission: In the general use
district, development standards in each of the following categories shall be as
prescribed by the planning and environmental commission:
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1. Lot area and site dimensions.
2. Setbacks.
3. Building height.
4. Density control.
5. Site coverage.
6. Landscaping and site development.
7. Parking and loading.
B. Reviewed By Planning And Environmental Commission: Development
standards shall be proposed by the applicant as a part of a conditional use permit
application. Site specific development standards shall then be determined by the
planning and environmental commission during the review of the conditional use
request in accordance with the provisions of chapter 16 of this title.
12-9C-6: Additional Development Standards
Additional regulations pertaining to site development standards and the
development of land in the general use district are found in chapter 14 of this
title.
CHAPTER 12-16: CONDITIONAL USES PERMITS (in part)
Section 12-16-1: Purpose; Limitations:
In order to provide the flexibility necessary to achieve the objectives of this title,
specified uses are permitted in certain districts subject to the granting of a
conditional use permit. Because of their unusual or special characteristics,
conditional uses require review so that they may be located properly with respect
to the purposes of this title and with respect to their effects on surrounding
properties. The review process prescribed in this chapter is intended to assure
compatibility and harmonious development between conditional uses and
surrounding properties in the Town at large. Uses listed as conditional uses in
the various districts may be permitted subject to such conditions and limitations
as the Town may prescribe to insure that the location and operation of the
conditional uses will be in accordance with the development objectives of the
Town and will not be detrimental to other uses or properties. Where conditions
cannot be devised, to achieve these objectives, applications for conditional use
permits shall be denied.
VI. COMPARISON OF OUTDOOR RECREATION AND GENERAL USE DISTICTS
Development Standard Outdoor Recreation District General Use District
Lot Area/Site Dimensions n/a per PEC
Setbacks 20 ft. or more restrictive per PEC per PEC
Height 21 ft. flat / 24 ft. sloping per PEC
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Density n/a per PEC
Site Coverage 5% of total site area per PEC
Landscaping per Design Review Board per PEC
Parking per 12-10, Vail Town Code per PEC
VII. SITE ANALYSIS
Vail Golf Course Parking Lot
Address: 1775 Sunburst Drive
Legal Description: Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3
Zoning: General Use District
Proposed Zoning: Outdoor Recreation District
Land Use Designation: Park
Mapped Geological Hazards: High Severity Rockfall
Lot Area: 1.01 acres (+/- 43,995 sq. ft.)
Vail Golf Course Clubhouse
Address: 1775 Sunburst Drive
Legal Description: Unplatted
Zoning: Outdoor Recreation District
Land Use Designation: Park
Mapped Geological Hazards: High Severity Rockfall
Lot Area: 90.75 acres (+/- 3,995,070 sq.ft.)
Standard Allowed/Required Proposed
Lot/Site Area: n/a 91.76 ac (3,997,065 sq.ft.)
Setbacks:
Front: 20 ft. or per PEC >20 ft.
West Side: 20 ft. or per PEC >20 ft.
East Side: 20 ft. or per PEC >20 ft.
Rear: 20 ft. or per PEC >20 ft.
Height:
Current OR zoning 21ft. flat / 24 ft. sloped 33 ft. sloped
Proposed OR zoning 30 ft. flat / 33 ft. sloped 33 ft. sloped
Height, Architectural Projections:
Current OR zoning 30 ft. (+25%) 40 ft. tower
Proposed OR zoning 41.25 ft. (+25%) 40 ft. tower
Density & GRFA: n/a n/a
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Site Coverage: 199,853 sq.ft. (5%) 23,510 (0.6%)
Landscaping: per Design Review Board n/a
Parking: 122 124
VIII. SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ZONING
Existing Use Zoning District
North: I-70 n/a
South: Residential Single Family District and SDD #24
West: Residential Low Density Multiple Family District
East: Residential Two-Family Primary/Secondary District
IX. REVIEW CRITERIA
ZONE DISTRICT BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
Before acting on a zone district boundary amendment application, the Planning and
Environmental Commission shall consider the following factors with respect to this
proposal:
1. The extent to which the zone district amendment is consistent with all the
applicable elements of the adopted goals, objectives and policies outlined in the
Vail comprehensive plan and is compatible with the development objectives of
the town.
The proposed rezoning is intended to facilitate renovations to the Vail Golf Course
clubhouse building in response to the 2011 election in which the Vail electorate re-
allocated conference center funds specifically for the “expansion and improvement of
the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic Center, including multi-use community
space” which Staff finds consistent with the development objectives of the Town.
The Vail Golf Course parking lot is designated as Park by the Vail Land Use Plan and
zoned General Use District. The adjacent portions of the Vail Golf Course are also
designated as Park by the Vail Land Use Plan, but zoned Outdoor Recreation District.
Staff finds the proposed rezoning to be consistent the purpose of the Park land use
designation:
P – Parks:
Included in this category are town owned parcels intended for both active
recreation activities such as athletic fields, golf courses and playgrounds, as well
as areas for various passive recreation activities.
Staff finds the proposed rezoning to be consistent with the following goals of the Vail
Land Use Plan:
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1.1 Vail should continue to grow in a controlled environment, maintaining a
balance between residential, commercial and recreational uses to serve both the
visitor and the permanent resident.
1.3 The quality of development should be maintained and upgraded whenever
possible.
1.10 Development of Town owned lands by the Town of Vail (other than parks
and open space) may be permitted where no high hazards exist, if such
development is for public use.
1.12 Vail should accommodate most of the additional growth in existing
developed areas (in fill areas).
2.1 The community should emphasize its role as a destination resort while
accommodating day visitors.
2.4 The community should improve summer recreational options to improve year-
round tourism.
2.5 The community should non-skier recreational options to improve year-round
tourism.
6.1 Services should keep pace with increased growth.
6.2 The Town of Vail should play a role in future development through balancing
growth with services.
6.3 Services should be adjusted to keep pace with the needs of peak periods.
Staff finds the proposed rezoning to be consistent with the following general and
specific purposes of the Town’s adopted Zoning Regulations:
12-1-2: Purpose:
A. General: These regulations are enacted for the purpose of promoting the
health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the town, and to promote the
coordinated and harmonious development of the town in a manner that will
conserve and enhance its natural environment and its established character as a
resort and residential community of high quality.
B. Specific: These regulations are intended to achieve the following more specific
purposes:
1. To provide for adequate light, air, sanitation, drainage, and public facilities.
2. To secure safety from fire, panic, flood, avalanche, accumulation of snow,
and other dangerous conditions.
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3. To promote safe and efficient pedestrian and vehicular traffic circulation
and to lessen congestion in the streets.
4. To promote adequate and appropriately located off street parking and
loading facilities.
5. To conserve and maintain established community qualities and economic
values.
6. To encourage a harmonious, convenient, workable relationship among
land uses, consistent with municipal development objectives.
7. To prevent excessive population densities and overcrowding of the land
with structures.
8. To safeguard and enhance the appearance of the town.
9. To conserve and protect wildlife, streams, woods, hillsides, and other
desirable natural features.
10. To assure adequate open space, recreation opportunities, and other
amenities and facilities conducive to desired living quarters.
11. To otherwise provide for the growth of an orderly and viable community.
Staff finds the proposed rezoning to be consistent with the purpose of the Outdoor
Recreation District identified in Section 12-8B-1, Purpose, Vail Town Code:
“Section 12-8B-1: Purpose
The outdoor recreation district is intended to preserve undeveloped or open
space lands from intensive development while permitting outdoor recreational
activities that provide opportunities for active and passive recreation areas,
facilities and uses.”
Therefore, Staff finds the proposed rezoning meets this review criterion.
2. The extent to which the zone district amendment is suitable with the existing
and potential land uses on the site and existing and potential surrounding land
uses as set out in the town's adopted planning documents.
A “golf course” is allowed as a permitted use in the Outdoor Recreation District and as a
conditional use in the General Use District. The proposed rezoning continues to allow
the existing golf course parking lot on the subject site. The existing golf course parking
lot can be expanded or modified under both the existing and proposed zoning.
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Staff finds that the proposed rezoning of the subject property will not alter the suitability
of the existing golf course parking lot on the site or with surrounding use. Therefore,
Staff finds the proposed rezoning meets this review criterion.
3. The extent to which the zone district amendment presents a harmonious,
convenient, workable relationship among land uses consistent with municipal
development objectives.
Staff believes the existing golf course parking lot currently has a harmonious,
convenient, and workable relationship among land uses in the surrounding
neighborhood. Staff does not believe the proposed rezoning of the subject property will
alter this relationship. Therefore, Staff finds the proposed rezoning meets this review
criterion.
4. The extent to which the zone district amendment provides for the growth of an
orderly viable community and does not constitute spot zoning as the amendment
serves the best interests of the community as a whole.
The majority of the Vail Golf Course is designated as Park by the Vail Land Use Plan
and zoned Outdoor Recreation District. The applicant is proposing that the golf course
parking lot be zoned the same district as the adjacent golf course areas. Therefore,
Staff does not believe the applicant’s proposal constitutes a spot zoning and therefore
finds the proposed rezoning meets this review criterion.
5. The extent to which the zone district amendment results in adverse or
beneficial impacts on the natural environment, including, but not limited to, water
quality, air quality, noise, vegetation, riparian corridors, hillsides and other
desirable natural features.
The existing golf course parking lot may continue and may be expanded or modified
under both the existing and proposed zoning. Staff finds that rezoning of this property
from the General Use District to the Outdoor Recreation District will not alter the impacts
on the natural environment in comparison to existing conditions. Therefore, Staff finds
the proposed rezoning meets this review criterion.
6. The extent to which the zone district amendment is consistent with the purpose
statement of the proposed zone district.
As identified above, Staff finds that the proposed rezoning is consistent with the
purpose of the Outdoor Recreation District as outlined in Section V of this
memorandum. Therefore, Staff believes the proposed rezoning meets this review
criterion.
7. The extent to which the zone district amendment demonstrates how conditions
have changed since the zoning designation of the subject property was adopted
and is no longer appropriate.
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As further described in Section III, Background, of this memorandum, the subject golf
course parking lot (Lot 3) was originally an element of the Sunburst development and
separated from the golf course by a proposed street. Sunburst Drive was subsequently
realigned and Lot 3, along with some residential lots located to the southeast, became
adjacent to the golf course and separated from the majority of the Sunburst
development. While part of the Sunburst development, Lot 3 was zoned as part of
Special Development District #1 and then rezoned to the Public Use District. The Public
Use District was subsequently amended and renamed the General Use District. Staff
finds that it is necessary to zone the golf course parking lot the same district as the
adjacent golf course areas (including the clubhouse) to achieve the efficient and
effective implementation of the Town’s zoning regulations. Staff finds that the zoning of
these two golf course areas as different zone districts to no longer be appropriate.
8. Such other factors and criteria as the commission and/or council deem
applicable to the proposed rezoning.
PRESCRIBED REGULATION AMENDMENT
Before acting on a prescribed regulation amendment application, the Planning and
Environmental Commission shall consider the following factors with respect to this
proposal:
1. The extent to which the text amendment furthers the general and specific
purposes of the zoning regulations; and
The proposed text amendment is intended to facilitate renovations to the Vail Golf
Course clubhouse building. Staff finds the proposed prescribed regulation amendment
to be consistent with the following general and specific purposes of the Town’s adopted
Zoning Regulations:
12-1-2: Purpose:
A. General: These regulations are enacted for the purpose of promoting the
health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the town, and to promote the
coordinated and harmonious development of the town in a manner that will
conserve and enhance its natural environment and its established character as a
resort and residential community of high quality.
B. Specific: These regulations are intended to achieve the following more specific
purposes:
1. To provide for adequate light, air, sanitation, drainage, and public facilities.
2. To secure safety from fire, panic, flood, avalanche, accumulation of snow,
and other dangerous conditions.
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3. To promote safe and efficient pedestrian and vehicular traffic circulation
and to lessen congestion in the streets.
4. To promote adequate and appropriately located off street parking and
loading facilities.
5. To conserve and maintain established community qualities and economic
values.
6. To encourage a harmonious, convenient, workable relationship among
land uses, consistent with municipal development objectives.
7. To prevent excessive population densities and overcrowding of the land
with structures.
8. To safeguard and enhance the appearance of the town.
9. To conserve and protect wildlife, streams, woods, hillsides, and other
desirable natural features.
10. To assure adequate open space, recreation opportunities, and other
amenities and facilities conducive to desired living quarters.
11. To otherwise provide for the growth of an orderly and viable community.
Staff finds the proposed prescribed regulation amendment to be consistent with the
purpose of the Outdoor Recreation District identified in Section 12-8B-1, Purpose, Vail
Town Code:
“Section 12-8B-1: Purpose
The outdoor recreation district is intended to preserve undeveloped or open
space lands from intensive development while permitting outdoor recreational
activities that provide opportunities for active and passive recreation areas,
facilities and uses.”
Therefore, Staff finds the proposed rezoning meets this review criterion.
2. The extent to which the text amendment would better implement and better
achieve the applicable elements of the adopted goals, objectives, and policies
outlined in the Vail comprehensive plan and is compatible with the development
objectives of the town; and
The proposed text amendment is intended to facilitate renovations to the Vail Golf
Course clubhouse building in response to the 2011 election in which the Vail electorate
re-allocated conference center funds specifically for the “expansion and improvement of
the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic Center, including multi-use community
space” which Staff finds consistent with the development objectives of the Town.
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The applicant is proposing an increase in the allowable building height within the
Outdoor Recreation District for golf course clubhouses. The subject Vail Golf Course in
the only golf course in town and the subject clubhouse is the golf course clubhouse in
Vail. The existing clubhouse building is constructed to the current maximum building
height of 24 feet. The existing building height and existing height limits of the Outdoor
Recreation District limit the design options for renovating the existing building. The
proposed height limits would provide additional flexibility in renovating the existing
clubhouse building. Therefore, Staff finds the proposed amendment will better
implement and better achieve the applicable elements of the adopted goals, objectives,
and policies outlined in the Vail comprehensive plan and is compatible with the
development objectives of the town.
The Vail Golf Course is designated as Park by the Vail Land Use Plan. Staff finds the
proposed prescribed regulation amendment to be consistent the purpose of the Park
land use designation:
P – Parks:
Included in this category are town owned parcels intended for both active
recreation activities such as athletic fields, golf courses and playgrounds, as well
as areas for various passive recreation activities.
Staff finds the proposed prescribed regulation amendment to be consistent with the
following goals of the Vail Land Use Plan:
1.1 Vail should continue to grow in a controlled environment, maintaining a
balance between residential, commercial and recreational uses to serve both the
visitor and the permanent resident.
1.3 The quality of development should be maintained and upgraded whenever
possible.
1.10 Development of Town owned lands by the Town of Vail (other than parks
and open space) may be permitted where no high hazards exist, if such
development is for public use.
1.12 Vail should accommodate most of the additional growth in existing
developed areas (in fill areas).
2.1 The community should emphasize its role as a destination resort while
accommodating day visitors.
2.4 The community should improve summer recreational options to improve year-
round tourism.
2.5 The community should non-skier recreational options to improve year-round
tourism.
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6.1 Services should keep pace with increased growth.
6.2 The Town of Vail should play a role in future development through balancing
growth with services.
6.3 Services should be adjusted to keep pace with the needs of peak periods.
Therefore, Staff believes that this proposal complies with this criterion.
3. The extent to which the text amendment demonstrates how conditions have
substantially changed since the adoption of the subject regulation and how the
existing regulation is no longer appropriate or is inapplicable; and
The applicant is proposing an increase in the allowable building height within the
Outdoor Recreation District for golf course clubhouses. The subject Vail Golf Course in
the only golf course in town and the subject clubhouse is the golf course clubhouse in
Vail. The existing clubhouse building is at the current maximum building height of 24
feet. The existing building height and existing height limits of the Outdoor Recreation
District limit the design options for renovating the existing building. The proposed height
limits would provide additional flexibility in renovating the existing clubhouse building.
Therefore, Staff finds the proposed amendment is consistent with this criterion.
4. The extent to which the text amendment provides a harmonious, convenient,
workable relationship among land use regulations consistent with municipal
development objectives; and
The proposed allowable building height within the Outdoor Recreation District that is
limited in scope to golf course clubhouses. At this time, the amendment would not
affect any other Outdoor Recreation District zoned property, since the subject
clubhouse is the only golf course clubhouse at the only golf course in Vail. The
proposed building height limits are the same as those applied to the adjacent residential
houses along Sunburst Drive which are zoned Two-Family Primary/Secondary District
and Special Development District #24. Staff finds that the proposed increase in height
will not alter the building bulk and scale of the existing clubhouse to a degree
inconsistent with the existing character of the building or neighborhood. Therefore, Staff
finds the proposed amendment is consistent with this criterion.
5. Such other factors and criteria the planning and environmental commission
and/or council deem applicable to the proposed text amendment.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT
Before acting on a conditional use permit application, the Planning and Environmental
Commission shall consider the following factors with respect to the proposed use:
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1. Relationship and impact of the use on the development objectives of the Town.
The proposed amendment to an existing conditional use permit is intended to facilitate
renovations to the Vail Golf Course clubhouse building in response to the 2011 election
in which the Vail electorate re-allocated conference center funds specifically for the
“expansion and improvement of the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic
Center, including multi-use community space” which Staff finds consistent with the
development objectives of the Town.
Staff finds that the proposed conditional use permit amendments maintain the historic
uses of the clubhouse and surrounding grounds for golf, Nordic, and banquet, wedding,
community event activities and operations. Staff also finds that the proposed
conditional use permit amendments will facilitate the updating and upgrading of the
aged, existing clubhouse facility to be more in keeping with the Town of Vail’s stated
vision and mission:
“Our Vision - To be the Premier Mountain Resort Community!
Our Mission - We will provide the citizens of Vail and our guests superior
services, outstanding environmental stewardship and an abundance of
recreational, cultural and educational opportunities.”
The Vail Golf Course is designated as Park by the Vail Land Use Plan. Staff finds the
proposed amendment to an existing conditional use permit to be consistent the purpose
of the Park land use designation:
P – Parks:
Included in this category are town owned parcels intended for both active
recreation activities such as athletic fields, golf courses and playgrounds, as well
as areas for various passive recreation activities.
Staff finds the proposed amendment to an existing conditional use permit to be
consistent with the following goals of the Vail Land Use Plan:
1.1 Vail should continue to grow in a controlled environment, maintaining a
balance between residential, commercial and recreational uses to serve both the
visitor and the permanent resident.
1.3 The quality of development should be maintained and upgraded whenever
possible.
1.10 Development of Town owned lands by the Town of Vail (other than parks
and open space) may be permitted where no high hazards exist, if such
development is for public use.
1.12 Vail should accommodate most of the additional growth in existing
developed areas (in fill areas).
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2.1 The community should emphasize its role as a destination resort while
accommodating day visitors.
2.4 The community should improve summer recreational options to improve year-
round tourism.
2.5 The community should non-skier recreational options to improve year-round
tourism.
6.1 Services should keep pace with increased growth.
6.2 The Town of Vail should play a role in future development through balancing
growth with services.
6.3 Services should be adjusted to keep pace with the needs of peak periods.
Staff finds the proposed amendment to an existing conditional use permit to be
consistent with the following general and specific purposes of the Town’s adopted
Zoning Regulations:
12-1-2: Purpose:
A. General: These regulations are enacted for the purpose of promoting the
health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the town, and to promote the
coordinated and harmonious development of the town in a manner that will
conserve and enhance its natural environment and its established character as a
resort and residential community of high quality.
B. Specific: These regulations are intended to achieve the following more specific
purposes:
1. To provide for adequate light, air, sanitation, drainage, and public facilities.
2. To secure safety from fire, panic, flood, avalanche, accumulation of snow,
and other dangerous conditions.
3. To promote safe and efficient pedestrian and vehicular traffic circulation
and to lessen congestion in the streets.
4. To promote adequate and appropriately located off street parking and
loading facilities.
5. To conserve and maintain established community qualities and economic
values.
6. To encourage a harmonious, convenient, workable relationship among
land uses, consistent with municipal development objectives.
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7. To prevent excessive population densities and overcrowding of the land
with structures.
8. To safeguard and enhance the appearance of the town.
9. To conserve and protect wildlife, streams, woods, hillsides, and other
desirable natural features.
10. To assure adequate open space, recreation opportunities, and other
amenities and facilities conducive to desired living quarters.
11. To otherwise provide for the growth of an orderly and viable community.
Staff finds the proposed amendment to an existing conditional use permit to be
consistent with the purpose of the Outdoor Recreation District:
“Section 12-8B-1: Purpose
The outdoor recreation district is intended to preserve undeveloped or open
space lands from intensive development while permitting outdoor recreational
activities that provide opportunities for active and passive recreation areas,
facilities and uses.”
Staff also finds the proposed amendments to a conditional use permit to be consistent
with the purposes of Chapter 12-16, Conditional Use Permit, Vail Town Code.
Section 12-16-1: Purpose; Limitations:
In order to provide the flexibility necessary to achieve the objectives of this title,
specified uses are permitted in certain districts subject to the granting of a
conditional use permit. Because of their unusual or special characteristics,
conditional uses require review so that they may be located properly with respect
to the purposes of this title and with respect to their effects on surrounding
properties. The review process prescribed in this chapter is intended to assure
compatibility and harmonious development between conditional uses and
surrounding properties in the Town at large. Uses listed as conditional uses in
the various districts may be permitted subject to such conditions and limitations
as the Town may prescribe to insure that the location and operation of the
conditional uses will be in accordance with the development objectives of the
Town and will not be detrimental to other uses or properties. Where conditions
cannot be devised, to achieve these objectives, applications for conditional use
permits shall be denied.
Therefore, Staff finds the proposed amendments to an existing conditional use permit
meet this review criterion.
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2. The effect of the use on light and air, distribution of population, transportation
facilities, utilities, schools, parks and recreation facilities, and other public
facilities needs.
The proposed amendments to the conditional use permit will allow for the construction
of updates and improvements to the subject public recreation facilities. As further
identified in the applicant’s request, the proposed renovation of the Vail Golf Course
clubhouse includes:
• “Dedicated Banquet Room with a capacity for 200 people,
• Pre-convene space sufficient to support the Banquet Room,
• The common areas, restrooms, elevator and stairs to be shared throughout the
building, however there will be separate entrances for the Banquet Room and the
recreation uses.
• A grill/bar sized for +/-40 people plus outdoor/deck space,
• A kitchen sized to serve the grill and a separate “warming kitchen” space for the
Banquet Room,
• Arrival to Golf/ pro shop and Nordic space at the parking lot level,
• Project design that provides for both winter and summer use to a finished quality
expected for Vail guests,
• The separation of uses and enhancement of circulation throughout site and
within the building,
• Location of golf course finish area on the east side of the building in order to
encourage golfers to exit through the grill/pro shop,
• Clarification of circulation and entry on the front side of the building,
• Maintain approximate existing building square footages while increasing the
efficiency and functionality of the building,
• Two-story tall (4 level) building, and
• Reuse of as much of the existing building structure, which is critical to maintain
the original project budget.”
As part of this conditional use permit amendment proposal, the applicant is proposing a
management and operations plans (Attachment F). Staff finds that the proposed
management and operations plans minimizes any negative impacts of this proposal on
light and air, distribution of population, transportation facilities, utilities, schools, parks
and recreation facilities, and other public facilities needs. Staff also finds that the
proposed management and operations plan minimizes impacts of this proposal on
neighboring property owners. The proposed management and operations plan
addresses the following elements:
• Golfer grill and patio
• Banquet room, banquet patio, and banquet lawn
• Tents
• Golf cart access and flow
• Parking and parking management
• Lighting
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• Noise and amplified sound
• Hours of operation
• Use of the old 18th green
• Neighbor notification and liaison
• Approval process and amendments to the plan
Staff finds the proposed amendments to the conditional use permit, along with the
restrictions imposed by the management and operations plan are consistent with this
review criterion.
3. Effect upon traffic with particular reference to congestion, automotive and
pedestrian safety and convenience, traffic flow and control, access,
maneuverability, and removal of snow from the street and parking areas.
The proposed amendment to a conditional use permit includes modifications to the golf
course traffic patterns and upgrades to the configuration and design of the parking lot.
These modifications will better accommodate and delineate vehicular arrival and
access, patron drop-off, bus maneuvering, trash pickup, delivery access, and
emergency vehicle staging than the existing conditions.
The existing bus stop along Sunburst Drive will be maintained. Additionally, the existing
driveway curb-cuts will also be maintained, rather than being relocated to the south, not
create additional conflicts between vehicular traffic and pedestrian/bicycle traffic along
Sunburst Drive.
The proposed management and operations plan addresses both parking lot snow
storage/removal and parking management to improve the functionality of the golf course
parking lot compared to existing conditions. The proposed management and operations
plan includes the following parking management elements:
• Scheduling
• Employee parking
• Parking lot attendant
• Valet parking
• Shuttles
The traffic study of the proposed amendments to the conditional use permit (Attachment
H) concludes that:
“Based on road capacity standards. Sunburst Drive in its existing condition is
capable of accommodating the potential traffic increase from the proposed
remodeling of the Vail Golf Course Club House.”
Therefore, Staff finds the proposed amendments to the conditional use permit, along
with the restrictions imposed by the management and operations plan are consistent
with this review criterion.
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4. Effect upon the character of the area in which the proposed use is to be
located, including the scale and bulk of the proposed use in relation to
surrounding uses.
The proposed amendments to the conditional use permit will facilitate the remodel of the
existing aged and worn Vail Golf Course clubhouse building and grounds. As a remodel
utilizing an existing building foundation, the location of the clubhouse building and its
general bulk and mass are similar to existing conditions. Staff finds the proposed
amendment to a conditional use permit is consistent with the scale and bulk,
architectural style, and aesthetic character of the surrounding uses.
As identified elsewhere in this memorandum and in the applicant’s proposal, this
proposal includes numerous upgrades to the existing clubhouse:
• “Dedicated Banquet Room with a capacity for 200 people,
• Pre-convene space sufficient to support the Banquet Room,
• The common areas, restrooms, elevator and stairs to be shared throughout the
building, however there will be separate entrances for the Banquet Room and the
recreation uses.
• A grill/bar sized for +/-40 people plus outdoor/deck space,
• A kitchen sized to serve the grill and a separate “warming kitchen” space for the
Banquet Room,
• Arrival to Golf/ pro shop and Nordic space at the parking lot level,
• Project design that provides for both winter and summer use to a finished quality
expected for Vail guests,
• The separation of uses and enhancement of circulation throughout site and
within the building,
• Location of golf course finish area on the east side of the building in order to
encourage golfers to exit through the grill/pro shop,
• Clarification of circulation and entry on the front side of the building,
• Maintain approximate existing building square footages while increasing the
efficiency and functionality of the building,
• Two-story tall (4 level) building, and
• Reuse of as much of the existing building structure, which is critical to maintain
the original project budget.”
Staff finds that these updates and upgrades to the existing facilities will have a positive
impact on the character of surrounding area consistent with this criterion.
The applicant is proposed a management and operations plan addresses the following
elements:
• Golfer grill and patio
• Banquet room, banquet patio, and banquet lawn
• Tents
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• Golf cart access and flow
• Parking and parking management
• Lighting
• Noise and amplified sound
• Hours of operation
• Use of the old 18th green
• Neighbor notification and liaison
• Approval process and amendments to the plan
Staff finds that the various elements of the proposed management and operations plan
will further minimize any negative effects upon the neighboring property owners and the
character of surrounding area consistent with this criterion.
X. STAFF RECOMMENDATION
ZONE DISTRICT BOUNDARY AMENDMENT
The Community Development Department recommends the Planning and
Environmental Commission forwards a recommendation of approval to the Vail Town
Council for a zone district boundary amendment, pursuant to Section 12-3-7,
Amendment, Vail Town Code, to allow for a rezoning of the Vail Golf Course parking lot
from the General Use District to the Outdoor Recreation District, located at 1775
Sunburst Drive/Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3, and setting forth details in regard thereto. This
recommendation is based upon the review of the criteria outlined in Section IX of this
memorandum and the evidence and testimony presented.
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to forward a
recommendation of approval for this request, the Community Development Department
recommends the Commission makes the following motion:
“The Planning and Environmental Commission forwards a recommendation of
approval to the Vail Town Council for a zone district boundary amendment,
pursuant to Section 12-3-7, Amendment, Vail Town Code, to allow for a rezoning
of the Vail Golf Course parking lot from the General Use District to the Outdoor
Recreation District, located at 1775 Sunburst Drive/Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3, and
setting forth details in regard thereto.”
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to recommend approval of
this request; the Community Development Department recommends the Commission
makes the following findings:
“Based upon the review of the criteria outlined in Sections IX of the Staff
memorandum to the Planning and Environmental Commission dated November
12, 2012, and the evidence and testimony presented, the Planning and
Environmental Commission finds:
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1. That the amendments are consistent with the adopted goals, objectives and
policies outlined in the Vail comprehensive plan and compatible with the
development objectives of the town;
2. That the amendments are compatible with and suitable to adjacent uses and
appropriate for the surrounding areas; and,
3. That the amendments promote the health, safety, morals, and general welfare
of the town and promote the coordinated and harmonious development of the
town in a manner that conserves and enhances its natural environment and its
established character as a resort and residential community of the highest
quality.”
PRESCRIBED REGULATIONS AMENDMENT
The Community Development Department recommends the Planning and
Environmental Commission forwards a recommendation of approval to the Vail Town
Council on prescribed regulation amendments, pursuant to Section 12-3-7, Amendment,
Vail Town Code, to allow for amendments to Section 12-8B-7, Height, Vail Town Code,
to increase the allowable building height within the Outdoor Recreation District, and
setting forth details in regard thereto. This recommendation is based upon the review of
the criteria outlined in Section IX of this memorandum and the evidence and testimony
presented.
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to forward a
recommendation of approval for this request, the Community Development
Department recommends the Commission pass the following motion:
“The Planning and Environmental Commission forwards a recommendation of
approval to the Vail Town Council, on prescribed regulation amendments,
pursuant to Section 12-3-7, Amendment, Vail Town Code, to allow for
amendments to Section 12-8B-7, Height, Vail Town Code, to increase the
allowable building height within the Outdoor Recreation District, and setting forth
details in regard thereto.”
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to forward a
recommendation of approval for this request, the Community Development Department
recommends the Commission makes the following findings:
“Based upon the review of the criteria outlined in Sections IX of the Staff
memorandum to the Planning and Environmental Commission dated November
12, 2012, and the evidence and testimony presented, the Planning and
Environmental Commission finds:
1.That the amendment is consistent with the applicable elements of the adopted
goals, objectives and policies outlined in the Vail comprehensive plan and is
compatible with the development objectives of the town;
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2.That the amendment furthers the general and specific purposes of the zoning
regulations; and,
3. That the amendment promotes the health, safety, morals, and general welfare
of the town and promotes the coordinated and harmonious development of the
town in a manner that conserves and enhances its natural environment and its
established character as a resort and residential community of the highest
quality.”
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT
The Community Development Department recommends the Planning an Environmental
Commission approves, with conditions, these amendments to a conditional use
permit, pursuant to Section 12-16-10, Amendment Procedures, Vail Town Code, to
allow for the redevelopment of the Vail Golf Course Club House (i.e. accessory
buildings, permanent and temporary, and uses customarily incidental and accessory to
permitted or conditional outdoor recreational uses, and necessary for the operation
thereof, including restrooms, drinking fountains, bleachers, concessions, storage
buildings, and similar uses), located at 1775 Sunburst Drive/Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3 and
Unplatted Parcels (a complete metes and bounds description is available at the
Community Development Department Office), and setting forth details in regard thereto.
This recommendation is based upon the review of the criteria outlined in Section IX of
this memorandum and the evidence and testimony presented.
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to approve this conditional
use permit amendment request, the Community Development Department recommends
the Commission passes the following motion:
“The Planning and Environmental Commission approves this request for
amendments to a conditional use permit, pursuant to Section 12-16-10,
Amendment Procedures, Vail Town Code, to allow for the redevelopment of the
Vail Golf Course Club House (i.e. accessory buildings, permanent and
temporary, and uses customarily incidental and accessory to permitted or
conditional outdoor recreational uses, and necessary for the operation thereof,
including restrooms, drinking fountains, bleachers, concessions, storage
buildings, and similar uses), located at 1775 Sunburst Drive/Lot 3, Sunburst
Filing 3 and Unplatted Parcels (a complete metes and bounds description is
available at the Community Development Department Office), and setting forth
details in regard thereto.”
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to approve this conditional
use permit amendment request, the Community Development Department recommends
the Commission imposes the following conditions:
“1. This conditional use permit approval is contingent upon the applicant
obtaining Town of Vail approval of the associated design review application.
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2. This conditional use permit approval is contingent upon the applicant obtaining
Town of Vail approval of the associated prescribed regulations amendment to
increase the allowable building height within the Outdoor Recreation District.”
Should the Planning and Environmental Commission choose to approve this conditional
use permit amendment request, the Community Development Department recommends
the Commission makes the following findings:
“Based upon the review of the criteria outlined in Sections IX of the Staff
memorandum to the Planning and Environmental Commission dated November
12, 2012, and the evidence and testimony presented, the Planning and
Environmental Commission finds:
1. The proposed conditional use permit is in accordance with the purposes of the
Zoning Regulations and the Outdoor Recreation District;
2. The proposed conditional use permit and the conditions under which it will be
operated or maintained are not detrimental to the public health, safety, or welfare
or materially injurious to properties or improvements in the vicinity; and,
3. The proposed conditional use permit complies with each of the applicable
provisions of Chapter 12-16, Conditional Use Permit, Vail Town Code.”
VII. ATTACHMENTS
A. Vicinity Map
B. Applicant’s Request
C. Applicant’s Response the PEC Questions
D. Rezoning Map
E. Outdoor Recreation District Map
F. Management and Operations Plan
G. Proposed Plans
H. Traffic Report
I. Preliminary Drainage Report
J. Photographs
K. Public Comment
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Vail Golf Course Clubhouse
Re-Model
Rezoning Request
Text Amendment to Outdoor Rec Zone District
Amendment to Conditional Use Permit
Prepared for:
Town of Vail
75 South Frontage Road
Vail, CO 81657
September 24, 2012
revised October 2, 2012, October 31, 2012
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Vail Golf Course Club House Re-Model
CUP Amendment/Rezoning/Text Amendment
October 2012
INTRODUCTION
The purpose of this report is to provide information regarding development applications
for the proposed remodeling of the Vail Golf Course Club House.
While no changes will be made to existing uses that have been in place at the Club House
for the past forty years, the remodel will make significant upgrades to the building and to
the overall guest experience of its users. A dedicated space for banquets and other
functions is the most significant change to the building. Other improvements include a
new bar/restaurant, improved spaces for the pro shop and nordic operations, expanded
golf cart storage, and improved lockers, circulation, restrooms. The building and site
design will dramatically improve the sense of arrival to the Club House and is also
designed to better organize uses and where necessary separate the various users of the
Club House.
The following information is provided below:
• Project Introduction,
• Approach to design of project,
• Applications submitted,
• Background on the Club House and this proposal, and
• Development applications.
This application has been submitted on behalf of the Public Works Department of the
Town of Vail in conjunction with participation of the Vail Recreation District (VRD).
PROJECT INTRODUCTION
In 2011 the Vail Town Council took steps to re-allocate Conference Center funds to other
Town projects. The underlying goal of this effort was to utilize the approximately $9.4
million on projects that would “increase overall economic vitality” throughout the Town
and among other things have the potential to increase occupancy, have the potential to
increase sales tax growth as a result of the investment and enhance the experience for
those who live, work and play in Vail.
In the fall of 2011, voters endorsed the use of Conference Center funds for three projects
– Golf Course Club House improvements, improvements to the Ford Amphitheater and
improvements to Ford Park. Specific improvements for each of these projects were
defined in response to the underlying goals articulated in the 2011 ballot language:
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Without increasing taxes, shall the Town of Vail use the remainder of the
one and one-half percent lodging tax revenues and one-half percent sales
tax revenues collected from January 1, 2003 through December 31, 2005
to fund the following projects that will promote recreation, promote
tourism and support the economy in the Town of Vail:
Expansion and improvement of the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and
Nordic Center, including multi-use community space;
Field expansion and restroom renovation at the Ford Park Sports
Complex; and
Ford Amphitheater improvements, including outdoor seating and restroom
improvements?
The main improvements envisioned for the Club House included a new, dedicated
Banquet Room and a number of other improvements to the Club House that would
significantly improve nordic and golf course operations and the overall aesthetics and
guest experience of those who use the Club House.
APPROACH TO THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT
At a very general level, the following vision statement for the project has played a major
role in design decisions over the past months:
“… to design a facility that broadens the appeal of golf and nordic
facilities while expanding the opportunities for year around use, by
creating a unique and special sense of place that is aligned with guest
expectations for a world class destination resort . . .”
This broad vision statement has influenced the overall direction of the project design.
However, many other factors including but not limited to the development program,
operations, existing conditions and the overall characteristics of the site have directly
influenced the team’s approach to project design. A plan set of proposed improvements
has been submitted under separate cover.
Specific parameters used in the project design included:
• Dedicated Banquet Room with a capacity for 200 people,
• Pre-convene space sufficient to support the Banquet Room,
• The common areas, restrooms, elevator and stairs to be shared throughout the
building, however there will be separate entrances for the Banquet Room and the
recreation uses,
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• A grill/bar sized for +/-40 people plus outdoor/deck space,
• A kitchen sized to serve the grill and a separate “warming kitchen” space for the
Banquet Room,
• Arrival to Golf/ pro shop and Nordic space at the parking lot level,
• Project design that provides for both winter and summer use to a finished quality
expected for Vail guests,
• The separation of uses and enhancement of circulation throughout site and within
the building,
• Location of golf course finish area on the east side of the building in order to
encourage golfers to exit through the grill/pro shop,
• Clarification of circulation and entry on the front side of the building,
• Maintain approximate existing building square footages while increasing the
efficiency and functionality of the building,
• Two-story tall (4 level) building, and
• Reuse of as much of the existing building structure, which is critical to maintain
the original project budget.
APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED
Three related development applications are proposed in order to facilitate the remodel of
the Club House. These include:
1. Rezoning a portion of the Club House area from General Use (GU) to Outdoor
Recreation (OR),
2. A text amendment to the OR District to increase allowable building height for
golf course club houses from 21’ (flat roof) and 24’ (sloping roof) to 30’ (flat
roof) and 33’ (sloping roof), and
3. Amendment to existing Conditional Use Permit to allow for modifications to the
Club House.
The PEC’s review of this project will involve one or more public hearings, the purpose of
which will be to introduce the project, address the PEC and the public’s initial questions
and comments, scope potential issues and get other input on the project, and eventually,
PEC action.
BACKGROUND ON THE CLUB HOUSE AND THIS PROPOSAL
Following an election in the fall of 2011 in which voters endorsed a reallocation of a
portion of Conference Center Funds to the Club House project, the Town assembled a
project team and design work on project began earlier this year. Since that time the team
has held numerous meetings with the Town Council and the Recreation Sub-Committee
to define the scope of the project and to review progress on the design of the project. In
July a neighborhood meeting was held at the Club House to gather input from the public
regarding issues and concerns with the project.
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This past summer and early fall the project team held a series of public work sessions
with the Town Council. The focus of these work sessions was to discuss all aspects of
the project, specifically dealing with neighborhood issues/concerns and potential
alternatives for how the zoning, project design and operation of the modified Club House
can address neighborhood concerns.
In 1986 a Conditional Use Permit for the expansion of the Club House was approved by
the PEC. Main elements of the ’86 expansion was new golf cart storage, expansion of the
bar/dining area, a new meeting room and an expanded kitchen. The Club House has not
seen any significant upgrades since the ’86 expansion.
The Vail Golf Course is located on portions of Vail Village Filing 7, Vail Village Filing 8
and on a number of unplatted parcels. The existing Club House is located on a +/-90 acre
unplatted parcel that is zoned Outdoor Recreation (OR). An area generally encompassing
the Club House parking lot is located on Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3 and is currently zoned
General Use (GU). In both districts “golf courses” are a permitted use and “accessory
buildings” (i.e. the Club House) are a conditional use. As such, an amendment to the
current CUP is necessary in order to allow for the planned remodeling of the Club House.
DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS
The following summarizes the three development applications proposed for the Vail Golf
Course Club House project.
Rezoning of Parking Lot from General Use (GU) to Outdoor Recreation (OR)
Currently the Club House area is zoned two different zone districts. The parking lot is
zoned GU while the Club House building and immediately surrounding area is zoned OR.
Having what is essentially one development site zoned two different zone districts creates
an awkward situation and this rezoning request is proposed in large part to remedy this
existing situation.
Either the OR or GU district could provide a suitable and workable zoning for the golf
course Club House area. Based in large part on input from the community, the GU
portion of the Club House area is proposed to be rezoned to OR. Many residents in the
golf course neighborhood expressed concern with the board range of land uses that could
be proposed under GU zoning. In response to this concern the proposed rezoning would
designate the entire Club House area as OR.
Criteria to be used in evaluation of a proposed change to zone district are as follows:
1. How the proposed change in district boundaries is consistent with the
adopted goals, objectives and policies outlined in the Vail Comprehensive
Plan and compatible with the Town of Vail’s development objectives.
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Response
The change in district boundaries is proposed in large part to resolve the
existing condition of the club house area being zoned two different zone
districts. Either the GU district or the OR district can provide a zone
designation suitable for the operation of the golf course and the club
house. The purpose of the change to district boundaries is to eliminate
confusion inherent in both zone districts being in place.
2. How the proposed change in district boundaries is compatible with and
suitable to adjacent uses and appropriate for the area.
Response
Either the GU or the OR district could provide a zone designation suitable
for the operation of the golf course and Club House. The proposal to
rezone the GU portion of the Club House area to OR is proposed
specifically in response to neighborhood concerns with the wide range of
potential uses that could be proposed under GU zoning. As such, the
rezoning is proposed specifically to ensure compatibility and a suitable
relationship to adjacent uses and properties.
3. How the proposed change in district boundaries is in the best interest of
the public health, welfare and safety.
Response
The proposed rezoning to OR will establish a zoning mechanism that includes
permissible uses and other development controls that will allow for the ongoing
operation of the Golf Course and Club House which furthers the health, welfare
and safety of the entire community.
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Outdoor Recreation Zone District - Building Height Code Amendment
The OR district currently limits building height to 21’ (flat roof) and 24’ (sloping roof).
Simply stated, this height limitation creates a significant design constraint in creating a
quality interior space within any golf course club house, including this Club House. This
limitation is also the most restrictive height limitation of any zone district within the
Town. In order to establish a building height that will allow for the design of an
appropriate, quality golf course club house, a code amendment to allow for building
height of 30’ (flat roof) and 33’ (sloping roof) is proposed.
The following text amendment is proposed to section 12-8B-7 of the Outdoor Recreation
zone district of the Vail Town Code:
12-8B-7: HEIGHT: For a flat roof or mansard roof, the height of
buildings shall not exceed twenty one feet (21'). For a sloping roof, the
height of buildings shall not exceed twenty four feet (24'). For golf course
club houses, for a flat or mansard roof, the height of buildings shall not
exceed thirty feet (30’'). For a sloping roof, the height of buildings shall
not exceed thirty-three feet (33’).
The rationale for this text amendment is as follows:
• The 21’/24’ building height limit in the OR District is the most restrictive height
limitation in any zone district.
• The 21’/24’ building height does not provide sufficient height to create quality
interior spaces.
• As proposed, the amendment would allow building height of 30’/33’ for a “golf
course club house” only, which effectively limits this height increase from being
utilized on other OR zoned properties which do not have a golf course club house.
• The 30’/33’ building height proposed for golf course club houses is consistent
with allowable building heights on other similar buildings in the Town.
Criteria to be used in evaluation of a proposed amendment to the zoning code are as
follows:
1. How the proposed amendment is consistent with the adopted goals,
objectives and policies outlined in the Vail Comprehensive Plan and
compatible with the Town of Vail’s development objectives.
Response
The proposed amendment would establish some consistency with how
other properties in the vicinity are treated and also allow building height
sufficient to create a well-designed, quality golf course club house.
2. How the proposed amendment is compatible with and suitable to adjacent
uses and appropriate for the area.
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Response
Though the text amendment would apply generally to all districts zoned
OR with a golf course club house, currently, only this property has a golf
course club house. As it relates to this property, the proposed text
amendment would allow for building heights that are consistent with
allowable building height of properties in the vicinity of this Club House.
As such, the scale of buildings at this Club House would be in keeping
with those of the surrounding neighborhood.
3. How the proposed amendment is in the best interest of the public health,
welfare and safety.
Response
The proposed text amendment would allow for building heights sufficient to
design and construct a well-designed, quality golf course club house, which
promotes recreation, tourism and the economy of the Town of Vail, which in turn
is in the best interest of the public health, welfare and safety.
Amendment to Existing Conditional Use Permit (CUP)
A CUP is currently in place for the Vail Golf Course Club House. An amendment to this
CUP is proposed to allow for the remodeling of the Club House.
Historically the Club House has been an accessory use to the golf course during summer
months (cart storage, lockers, food and beverage, pro shop, offices, etc.), and has been
used by the Vail Nordic Center during winter months. Throughout the year the
Club House has traditionally been used to host banquets, parties and other functions, a
use that is very common in golf course club houses throughout the county.
When used for banquets and other functions the bar/restaurant area has a seated capacity
of approximately 120 people. While this space has been used for these purposes for
many years, the existing CUP includes no specific parameters or controls regarding this
use of the Club House.
Proposed uses for the Club House are the same as how the building has historically been
used - the Golf Course will utilize the Club House in the summer, the Nordic Center will
utilize the Club House in the winter and throughout the year the Banquet Room in the
Club House will be used for banquets and other functions.
With this remodel, the uses in the Club House will remain the same, however significant
upgrades will be made to the building and to the overall guest experience of its users.
The Banquet Room, a dedicated space for banquets and other functions with a capacity of
200 people, is the most significant change to the building. Other improvements include a
new bar/restaurant (intended primarily to serve golfers), improved spaces for the pro shop
and nordic operations, expanded golf cart storage, and improved lockers, circulation and
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restrooms. The building and site design will dramatically improve the sense of arrival to
the Club House and is also designed to better organize uses and where necessary separate
the various users of the building.
The CUP includes two main elements – the Development Plan (comprehensive design
drawings of the proposed building and site improvements and a Vail Golf Course Club
House Management and Operations Plan (Operations Plan), a document outlining how
the Club House will be used and managed. The CUP also includes a diagram defining
the area covered by the CUP (see below). This area includes the Club House, parking lot
and the immediately surrounding area. Improvements planned for the Club House are
located within this area and commitments or obligations outlined in the proposed
Operations Plan pertain to this area.
Below is a summary of the Development Plan and the Operations/Management Plan.
Development Plan
In accordance with submittal requirements for a CUP, a Development Plan for the project
has been submitted. This plan provides comprehensive information on the design of the
building and site/landscape improvements. Information provided includes building
elevations and floor plans, roof plan, site plan, landscape plan, grading plan and lighting
plan. The Development Plan has been submitted under separate cover.
The proposed building and site improvements have been designed to conform to all
zoning/development standards as outlined in the OR Zone District (assuming the
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proposed height amendment is approved). The following table summarizes these
standards:
Standard Minimum Proposed
Lot Area/Site Dimensions N/A 91.76 acres (1)
Setbacks 20’ (all sides) 38’ front
510’ side
203’side
Building Height (2) 30’/33’ 33’
Density N/A
Site Coverage 5% of site area, or 197,631SF (3) 23,510SF
.006%
Landscape Area Determined by DRB (4)
Parking 122 spaces 124 spaces
(1) Includes unplatted parcel (90.75 ac) and Lot 3 (1.01 ac)
(2) Indicates proposed OR building height via text amendment, existing building height
limitation is 21’/24’
(3) Figure reflects 5% of acreage of unplatted tract on which the Club House is located
(4) Landscape area of Lot 3 and the unplatted tract is estimated to be 98%
Parking requirements for the proposed Club House can be satisfied with minor expansion
and re-organization of the existing parking lot. The following summarizes how parking
has been calculated for the Club House.
The Town’s Zoning Code does not include parking requirements specific to a golf course.
As such, parking demand for the course and Club House has been determined based on
the parking that currently exists and then assessing a new parking demand for the
expansion or change to any of the parking generating uses within the Club House (i.e. the
Banquet Room, restaurant and pro shop).
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In order to meet the Code requirement for parking, an additional 14 spaces have been
added to the existing parking lot. This has been accomplished with minor refinement and
re-organization of the parking lot. There is a slight reduction to the overall size of the
parking lot. The existing parking lot includes only 750SF of interior landscaped area, the
proposed parking lot includes 2,000SF of interior landscaped area.
It should be understood that this parking, while satisfying code requirements, does not
address the potential parking impacts of an event being held in the Banquet Room during
peak golf course operations. In these cases, a Parking Management Plan will be
implemented. Potential parking management measures that may be implemented include
moving employee parking off-site, employing a valet program, and using shuttles to
transport patrons of the Banquet Room to and from the Club House. This plan is an
element of the Management and Operations Plan for the Club House, a copy of which has
been submitted under separate cover.
It is the intention of the applicant that upon approval of the CUP the commitments and
obligations outlined in the Plan will be binding on the operators of the Club House.
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Management and Operations Plan
The existing Club House has been used for banquets, parties and other functions for the
past forty years. However, there are currently no parameters or limitations on how the
Club House can be used for these purposes. It is recognized that operational parameters
do need to be established in order to minimize any potential impacts of the Club House
on the immediate neighborhood. By way of example, the proposed Operations Plan will
address topics such as hours of operation, lighting and noise.
The VRD has been directly involved in the preparation of the proposed Operations Plan
for the Club House. This plan is considered to be a key element of the CUP and it is
expected that it will be incorporated into any final approval for the project. A copy of
the proposed Vail Golf Course Club House Management and Operations Plan has been
submitted under separate cover.
Criteria to be used in evaluation of a proposed CUP are as follows:
1. Describe the precise nature of the proposed use and measures proposed to
make the use compatible with other properties in the vicinity.
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Response
The uses proposed by this amendment to the existing CUP are the same as
the uses that have taken place in the building for many years. A notable
change to existing conditions is the creation of a dedicated room for
banquets and other functions – the Banquet Room. The existing room can
accommodate +/-120 people and the new Banquet Room will have a
maximum capacity of 200 people. To ensure compatibility with other
properties in the vicinity, a number of management and operational
parameters are included in the proposed Vail Golf Course Club House
Management and Operations Plan. This Plan addresses use of the
building, hours of operations, tents, parking management, noise/amplified
sound, use of the previous 18th green area and neighborhood relations.
2. The relationship and impact of the use on development objectives of the
Town.
Response
In 2011 the Vail Town Council took steps to re-allocate Conference Center funds
to other Town projects. The underlying goal of this effort was to utilize the
approximately $9.4 million on projects that would “increase overall economic
vitality” throughout the Town and among other things have the potential to
increase occupancy, have the potential to increase sales tax growth as a result of
the investment and enhance the experience for those who live, work and play in
Vail.
The purpose of the project is directly in keeping with the Town’s development
objectives.
3. The effect of the use on light and air, distribution of population,
transportation facilities, utilities, schools, parks and recreation facilities,
and other public facilities and public facility’s needs.
Response
The project will enhance golf and nordic skiing operations and also create
new community space that can be used for a variety of public needs.
Improvements to the existing parking lot will improve operational aspects
of the Town’s bus system that services the Golf Course neighborhood.
4. The effect upon traffic, with particular reference to congestion, automotive
and pedestrian safety and convenience, traffic flow and control, access,
maneuverability, and removal of snow from the streets and parking area.
Response
The larger, dedicated Banquet Room within the Club House will allow for
larger groups and more frequent functions within the Banquet Room. This
will result in increased traffic on Sunburst Drive. However, this
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incremental increase in traffic is not significant when compared to
background traffic in the neighborhood generated by existing residences,
the golf course/nordic center itself and the existing banquet functions that
occur at the Club House. Sunburst Drive has the capacity to accommodate
increased traffic volume from the proposed CUP.
Striped bicycle lanes currently exist along both side of Sunburst Drive
from its intersection with Vail Valley Drive to just beyond the Club
House.
Parking for the golf course and the proposed CUP will be provided within the golf
course parking lot. The existing lot will be increased in size by 12 spaces in order
to provide the number of parking as prescribed by the Vail Town Code. It should
be noted that this parking, while satisfying code requirements, does not address
the potential parking impacts of a function being held in the banquet room during
peak golf course operations. In these cases a Parking Management Plan will be
implemented. By way of example, potential parking management measures that
may be implemented include moving employee parking off-site, employing a
valet program, and using shuttles to transport patrons of the Banquet Room to and
from the Club House. This plan is an element of the proposed Management and
Operations Plan for the Club House, a copy of which has been submitted under
separate cover. It is the intention of the applicant that upon approval of the CUP
the commitments and obligations outlined in the Plan will be binding on the
operators of the Club House.
5. The effect upon the character of the area in which the proposed use is to
be located, including the scale and bulk of the proposed use in relation to
surrounding uses.
Response
The scale of the improved Club House proposed is in keeping with the scale of
buildings in the surrounding area.
With a dedicated Banquet Room for banquets and other functions, the
frequency and size of functions hosted in the building will likely increase
from what has occurred in the recent past. In response to this and to
minimize the potential for negative effects from the proposed use on
surrounding uses, a Management and Operations Plan has been proposed.
This Plan addresses use of the building, hours of operations, tents, parking
management, noise/amplified sound, use of the previous 18th green area
and neighborhood relations. Other than the Vail Town Code, there are
currently no parameters governing the use of the existing facility.
MEMORANDUM
To: Bill Gibson
From: Tom Braun
CC: Greg Hall
Date: November 6, 2012
RE: Vail Golf Course Club House Remodel
As per your request, the following is in response to questions and comment you have provided
from the October 22 °a PEC hearing.
Provide a comparison of the Donovan Pavilion and the Banquet Room proposed for the
Club House.
The Donovan Pavilion web page indicates the total SF of the facility to be 5,200 SF (the
main, large room is + /- 3200SF) and that the Pavilion is capable of accommodating 250
people for weddings and sit -down dinners, 350 people for receptions and 300 people
using theater seating. An additional 100 -120 people can be accommodated on the
outdoor patio.
The Banquet Room proposed for the Club House is 2,728 SF and the capacity of the
room is proposed to be limited to200 people. The Banquet Patio and Banquet Lawn are
available for use inconjunction with the Banquet Room; however this does not change
the200 person capacity limitation.
Provide an overlayshowing the layout of the existing conditions /18`h
green compared to
the proposed clubhouse and practice green.
An overlay of the 18th
green and the existing and proposed building is found at the end of
this memo.
Provide a traffic report.
A traffic and parking analysis has been submitted to the Public Works Department.
Provide additional outdoor seating areas for Nordics users.
The designteam is looking at potentiallocations for outdoor seating. This will likely
occur in areas that will be used by the nordic center in the winter and the golf course in
the summer. As such, it is anticipated thatseating will be portable and that the type,
amount and location of outdoor seating will ultimately be determined by the golf course
and nordic centeroperators and ultimately be addressed at final DRB review.
Can overflow day skier parking be controlled to not displace Nordic users?
Yes, the PublicWorks Department managesthe Golf Course parking lot. In winter
months first priority is to ensure ample parking for the nordic center. The availability for
day skier parking in this lot (if any) varies throughout the year as determined byPublic
Works. It is anticipated that once construction of this project begins that day skier
parking at the golf course will be eliminated.
Why is the existing foundation being saved?
From the outset of the project this has been considered a "remodel" and the approach to
the design effort has been to utilize as much of the existing building as reasonably
possible while still addressing other project goals. The design team believesthat the re-
use of the foundation will proveto be a cost effective approach.
Does the proposed patio have enough sunlight to accommodate evening wedding events?
Dependingupon the time of year and time of day the Banquet Room Patio will get
sunlight. Obviously at some point each day the Club House will cast a shadowon the
patio.
Can the landscape buffer be increased to the south of the parkinglot.
The existing parkinglot extends to the south end of Lot 3, Sunburst Filing 3. A 4' to 6'
retaining wall is located immediately adjacentto the parking lot. Based on a survey
found while researching townfiles it appears that the retaining wall is located on the
adjoining residential lot (presumably done to create a "fill" situation for lawn adjacent the
home). Remodel plans for the Club House do notcontemplate making any changes to
this wall.
While the Vail Town Code stipulates that the perimeter of parking lots include a10'
landscape buffer, the existingparking lot is an existing, non - conforming condition and
section 12 -18 -2 Continuance allows for such non - conforming conditions to remain.
Introducing a buffer in this area would significantly reduce the number of parking spaces
that can be provided within the lot. Remodel plans for the Club House do not
contemplatechanging this portion of the parking lot.
You also highlighted public comments made at this hearing and inquired as to whether the
proposal has been modified to address any of these comments. Below are the
comments /questions that have been addressed by the proposal thus far:
No pavilion, no tents, etc.
The developmentplansubmitted for this project has never included a "pavilion ".
Temporary placement of tents is addressed in the Management and Operations Plan (tents
are only permitted with town approval via the Special Events or Conditional Use process.
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2. 18" greenareashouldn'tbe included in the CUP area.
Contrary to opinions expressed by the public, the applicant believesthat defining a "CUP
Area" provides a means of establishingcontrols for the operation of the Club House. By
way of example, neighbors expressed concern over how the 181h green area could be used
in the future. A commitment has been made by the applicant to maintainthis area as a
practice /teaching green (a use many neighbors said wasacceptable) and the "CUP Area"
was drawn to include this area so it can be incorporated into the CUP approval. It is
notedthat the majority of the PEC agreed with this approach.
3. Construct or stripe bike lanes, add share -o markings, etc. along Sunburst Drive to
address potential bike /pedestrianand vehicle conflicts.
Striped bike lanes currently exist from the intersection of Vail Valley Drive and Sunburst
Drive. The Public Works Department agrees to signs informing motorists and bicyclist
of these lanes.
4. Inadequate parking today and as proposed.
The Vail Golf Course Club House Management and Operations Plan outlines parameters
for when functions held at the Banquet Room will necessitate implementation of a
Parking Management Plan.
While not specifically raised during public comment at the October 22 °a hearing, a number of
changes have beenmade to the Club House proposal in direct response to concernsraised by the
public. These include:
Review Process — Due to concerns raised with rezoning being proposed prior to submittal of a
development plan, this past summer the applicant withdrew the rezoning application agreed to
submit a combinedrezoning/development application.
GeneralUse Zone District — In response to concerns with the broad range of potential land uses
permitted by the GU district, there- zoning proposal was modified to rezoning the club house are
to Outdoor Recreation.
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green — Early design concepts for the project includes a new parking lot
where the 18th green is currently located. This idea was eliminated from consideration.
New Accessto parking lot — Early designconcepts included shifting access points to the parking
lot to the south. In response toconcerns of neighbors this idea has been deleted.
Refinementsto Parking Lot — Maintaining existing landscaping along the west and east sides of
the parkinglot was a primary consideration in the design of the parkinglot. All trees along the
west side of the lot will be maintained and only ten trees are expected to be removed from the
east side of the lot.
Future use of 181h Green area — In response to uncertainty as to how this area might be used in
the future, the Club House Management and Operations Plan stipulates that this area is to be
used in the future as a teaching and practice green.
Size /Capacity of Banquet Room /Impacts of Use on Neighborhood — A maximum capacity for
the Banquet Room has been set at 200 persons (this is inclusive of the patio and lawn areas).
The Club House Management and OperationsPlanincludes a number of parameters (lighting,
hours of operation, noise, etc.) intended to minimize impacts of the Club House on the
surrounding neighborhood. Significant amounts of new landscaping are proposed south of the
Club House and around the 18th green in order to provide a buffer to immediate neighbors.
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Vail Golf Course Club House
Management and Operations Plan
DRAFT
October 2012
Vail Golf Course Club House
Management and Operations Plan Page 1
Purpose and Intent of Document
The Vail Golf Course Club House Management and Operations Plan (the
Plan) was prepared by the Vail Recreation District (VRD) and the Town of
Vail to address the management and operation of the remodeled Vail
Golf Course Club House and Nordic Center. The Plan is an element of the
Conditional Use Permit (CUP) application that has been submitted to the
Town, the purpose of which is to facilitate the remodeling of the Club
House. Upon approval of the CUP the commitments and obligations
outlined in the Plan will be binding on the operators of the Club House.
For the last 40 years the Vail Golf Club and Nordic Center has successfully
operated the Club House hosting numerous social events and public
functions without a formal management and operations plan. It is the
intention of this Plan to document how the Club House will be operated
with specific measures intended to minimize the impacts of the Club
House on the immediate neighborhood and in doing so provide the
community with a clear understanding of how the Club House will
operate.
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Vail Golf Course Club House
The Clubhouse includes the following primary uses:
Golf Pro Shop
Nordic Center
Support Offices
Golfer Grille and deck
Banquet Room/Banquet Patio/Banquet Lawn
Lockers/Restrooms/Circulation/Storage
Cart Barn
The total gross floor area of the building is approximately 21,841 SF.
The project site plan and main level floor plan are found below. These
plans are provided as a point of reference as they identify specific uses
and or features of the Club House that are referenced in this Plan.
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Proposed Management and Operations Plan
This section outlines how various elements of the Club House will be
managed and operated.
A. Golfer Grille and Patio
The Golfer Grille will be located on the second level and north side of the
Club House. The Grille will have an enclosed seating area for
approximately 40 persons and outdoor seating for approximately another
25 persons. This space is primarily intended to serve the golfer, however
depending on demand the Golfer Grille may also operate in non-golf
seasons or may be operated to complement the Nordic Center.
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B. Banquet Room, Banquet Patio and Banquet Lawn
The Banquet Room will be made available to the public as a space for
both private functions and for community-oriented activities. Examples of
how the room may be used include, but are not limited to banquets,
parties, receptions, weddings, lectures, fund-raisers, business meetings and
other similar functions. The Banquet Patio and Banquet Lawn provide
outdoor spaces that can be used in conjunction with the Banquet Room.
The maximum number of attendees for functions at the Banquet Room will
vary depending upon the type of function and seating arrangement (i.e.
table seating, theater seating, etc); however in no instances shall the use
of the Banquet Room exceed 200 attendees.
C. Tents
The temporary placement of tents within the CUP Area shall not be
permitted unless specifically approved via the Town of Vail Special Events
permit process or the CUP process.
D. Golf Cart Access and Flow
The golf cart access and flow is being positioned to the north side of the
Club House so that golfers and patrons of the Banquet Room are not in
conflict. Cart pick up will occur at the northwest side of the building. Golf
cart drop off will occur on the northeast side of the Club House. The intent
is to provide a seamless experience for the golfer and for other users of
the Club House.
E. Parking and Parking Management
A Parking Management Plan shall be implemented in order to adequately
provide for the parking demands of the Club House and specifically the
Banquet Room. The underlying goal of the Parking Management Plan will
be to ensure that the parking needs associated with the Banquet Room
are provided within the golf course parking lot in a manner that does not
result in parking on Sunburst Drive.
124 spaces are provided within the Club House parking lot (this includes
four spaces in the “drive-through lane). These spaces provide parking in
conformance with the Vail Town Code and are considered adequate to
meet the typical daily needs of the Golf Course and the Nordic Center.
During non-peak periods of the Golf Course and Nordic Center (non-peak
periods include both the spring/fall golf seasons and late afternoon and
evening hours for both the Golf Course and Nordic Center) the existing
parking lot is of sufficient size to accommodate the parking demands of
the Banquet Room. At other times during the golf and nordic seasons the
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use of the Banquet Room may necessitate the implementation of one or
more measures intended to manage parking needs to ensure that
parking does not occur on Sunburst Drive.
The VRD will determine the specific parking management measures to be
implemented based on the time of year, time of day and the number of
participants expected to be utilizing the Banquet Room. In addition,
consideration will also be given to other events that may be occurring at
the Golf Course or Nordic Center. Collectively, the measures to be
implemented will constitute the Parking Management Plan for that event.
Elements of the Parking Management Plan may include, but not be
limited to:
Scheduling - VRD will schedule the use of the Banquet Room so as to not
coincide with major events or during periods of peak use of the Golf
Course and Nordic Center.
Employee Parking – approximately 15 parking spaces can be made
available for Banquet Room parking by requiring Golf Course and
Banquet Room employees to park off site (at either the Town of Vail Public
Works shops or the Golf Course Maintenance Facility).
Parking lot attendant – the parking lot may be managed by an attendant
prior to and during events at the Banquet Room in order to direct users to
appropriate parking areas and ensure proper implementation of the
Parking Management Plan.
Valet parking – approximately 30 additional parking spaces can be
created utilizing a valet parking program.
Shuttles – utilizing shuttle vans or buses to transport users of the Banquet
Room from local hotels and/or from the Vail Transportation Center or
other locations.
The Parking Management Plan to be implemented (if any) and the costs
associated to implement such measures will be documented in the rental
agreement with the user of the Banquet Room. In such cases where a
Parking Management Plan is required the rental agreement may also
include a parking compliance deposit. This deposit will be held by the
VRD and refunded following successful adherence to the Parking
Management Plan.
In conjunction with any rental of the Banquet Room the VRD will notify the
Town of Vail in a timely manner of the date, time and number of
participants of the rental and the Parking Management Plan to be
implemented. In the event that the Parking Management Plan has not
been successful in preventing parking on Sunburst Drive the Town will
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meet with the VRD to understand the circumstances of why the
management measures were not successful. The Town of Vail may, at its
sole discretion, exercise review/approval authority over Parking
Management Plans. The Vail Town Council may meet with the VRD to
review operations of the Banquet Room and specifically the performance
of the Parking Management Plans.
The parking of cars along Sunburst Drive is prohibited, provided however,
that the Town of Vail may grant exceptions and allow parking along
Sunburst Drive for unique circumstances. Such exceptions may be
granted only after review and approval of a permit by the Town of Vail.
In such cases road side parking will be managed and controlled by the
VRD.
No overnight parking will be allowed within the parking lot except for
Town or VRD vehicles as may be required from time to time. The parking
lot will not be used for golf cart storage.
F. Lighting
Exterior lighting shall conform to all applicable Town ordinances. Unless
necessary for safety or security reasons or as required by building or other
codes, all exterior lights will be turned off within one hour after the
conclusion of an event at the Banquet Room or one-half hour after the
time the Club House closes.
Window glass treatments and/or curtains may be used to shield lighting
from the interior of the Club House.
G. Noise and Amplified Sound
All uses and all activities within the Club House, including the Banquet
Room, Banquet Patio and Banquet Lawn shall conform to the Town of Vail
Noise Ordinance.
Ambient music is permitted on the Banquet Patio and the deck of the
Golfer Grill.
Temporary outdoor amplification of sound on the Banquet Patio or
Banquet Lawn is permitted in accordance with the following parameters:
1) amplification for a person speaking to a group or officiating a wedding,
ceremony or similar activity, 2) amplification for live music performed
during a wedding, ceremony or similar activity, and 3) no amplification of
any kind shall occur after 8:00 p.m.
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The Banquet Room will be air conditioned so that the windows can be
closed to minimize noise from within these areas. All windows of the
Banquet Room will be closed at any time amplified music occurs after
8:00 p.m.
All users of the Club House will be informed that the Club House is located
on a municipal public golf course and within a residential neighborhood
and will be required to agree to respect the quiet enjoyment of the
neighboring properties in any rental agreement. Appropriate penalties
will be put in place by the VRD to ensure groups understand the
conditions under which they are using the Club House. Penalties will be
clearly provided for in rental agreements and may include revoking a
compliance deposit for violating this section. The VRD or catering
company will have appropriate staff present to enforce any violations of
the rental agreement during the operation of the Banquet Room.
H. Hours of Operation
Hours of operation for the Club House shall correspond to the normal
hours of use for the Golf Course and Nordic Center.
Hours of operations for the Banquet Room shall be from 8:00 am to 12:00
am.; provided, however, that exceptions to these hours may be made for
holidays (i.e. New Years Eve) and other special events. In such cases the
VRD calendar of events shall specifically indicate the hours of the event.
In no cases shall use of the Banquet Patio or Banquet Room Lawn by an
event be permitted past 10:00 pm.
I. Use of Old 18th Green
The “old” 18th green shall be used as a practice and teaching green for
putting, chipping and golf-related instruction.
J. Parking Lot Snow Storage
Snow storage for the Club House parking lot will be located at the south
end of the parking lot. As deemed necessary by the Department of
Public Works, during the course of the winter snow stored in the parking lot
may be removed and trucked to a remote location.
K. Neighbor Notification and Liaison
The VRD will post a calendar of events on its website in order to keep the
neighborhood informed of activities at the Club House, including use of
the Banquet Room. Notice of events shall include a description of the
event, the anticipated number of participants and the hours of the event.
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The VRD will designate a neighborhood liaison as a point of contact for
neighbors who have questions or concerns about the management and
operation of the Club House.
The Town of Vail and the VRD may meet to review the management of
the Club House, to discuss any issues that may have arisen and to discuss
potential changes to the management and operation of the Club House.
This meeting shall be open to the public.
L. Approval Process and Amendments to this Plan
This Plan is approved by the Town of Vail Planning and Environmental
Commission as an element of the CUP for the remodel of the Vail Golf
Course Club House. Amendments to this Plan shall be reviewed and
approved in accordance with Chapter 16, Conditional Use Permits, of Title
12 Zoning Regulations, of the Vail Town Code.
VAIL GOLF COURSE CLUB HOUSE
Traffic Analysis
November 9, 2012
Introduction
The purpose of this analysis is to provide an evaluation of the traffic impacts of the proposed
re‐model of the Vail Golf Course Club House. The re‐model project involves a relatively small
increase to the size of the Club House from 18,667 SF to 21,627 SF. All current uses within the
existing Club House will be maintained and no new uses will be added as a result of this re‐
model. A more detailed discussion of the use of the Club House is provided below.
Existing Conditions
Access to the subject site is provided by Vail Valley Drive/Sunburst Drive (herein referred to as
Sunburst Drive). Sunburst Drive is a two‐lane road that dead‐ends approximately ½ mile past
the Club House. Bike lanes are striped on both sides of Sunburst Drive from the intersection of
Vail Valley Drive and Sunburst to just past the Club House.
Between the Frontage Road/Vail Valley Drive intersection to the Club House there is only one
stop‐sign controlled intersection (Vail Valley Drive and Sunburst). There are five private
driveways that intersect with Sunburst Drive along this same section of roadway. In addition to
the Vail Golf Course, Sunburst Drive provides access to approximately 139 residential units and
a small amount of office use (in Fall Ridge Condominiums).
There are no current traffic counts available for Sunburst Drive.
The Vail Golf Course is an 18‐hole public golf course with a driving range, pro shop locker
rooms, a 120 seat restaurant/bar and an auxiliary meeting room when combined with the
restaurant can seat up to 140 persons for banquet functions. In winter months the Vail Nordic
Center operates out of the Club House, however traffic related to the nordic center is
significantly less than what is generated by the golf course and as such the focus of this analysis
is on the summer use of the Club House.
Vail Golf Course Existing Traffic Generation
The Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) Trip Generation 6th Edition includes trip
generation rates for a wide variety of different land uses. These generation rates are based on
actual traffic counts and reflect weighted averages for the peak hour of the land use. The ITE
trip generation rate take into account all trips to the subject land use including employees,
deliveries and other uses as listed in the description for each land use.
“Golf Course” is a land use (430) in the ITE reference . The description is as follows:
“The golf courses contained in the land use include 9, 18, 27, and 36, hole
municipal courses and private county clubs. Some clubs have driving ranges and
clubhouses with a pro shop and/or restaurant, lounge and banquet facilities.”
The Vail Golf Club uses are consistent with the land use description in the ITE manual.
Golf courses are a unique land use in terms of estimating trip generation. The following
evaluations have been completed in order to estimate existing peak hour trip generation from
the Club House.
ITE Saturday Peak Hour
The ITE trip generation rate for a Saturday PM peak hour is 4.59 trips per hole x 18 holes, or 83
total trips with 49% entering and 51 % exiting. This peak would occur in the early afternoon as
verified with Vail Golf Course use numbers.
ITE Weekday Peak Hour
The ITE trip generation rate for the 4‐6 pm period during weekdays is 2.74 trips per hole x 18
holes or 49 total trips.
The ITE PM peak hour trip generation rate is greater than the ITE PM peak hour trip generation
rate between the hours of 4pm‐6pm. This trend is similar to the Vail Golf Course as the peak
golf course activity times occur during the late morning‐ early afternoon time frame.
ITE Manual
Saturday Peak Hour
ITE
Code Land Use Trips per Number Total Total Total
Hole of Holes Trips Entering Exiting
49% 51%
Golf Course 4.59 188340 42
PM Peak Hour 4pm‐6pm
ITE
Code Land Use Trips per Number Total Total Total
Hole of Holes Trips Entering Exiting
49% 51%
Golf Course 2.74 184924 25
Even though the ITE rate for Golf Course describes the existing and proposed facilities exactly, a
comparison analysis is provided here to better under stand the trip generation as it relates to specific
operations in Vail
At the Vail Golf Course there are shot gun start tournaments where the golf course itself generates a
significant amount of traffic in the peak hour. A typical 140 person tournament with a 1.5 person per car
average would generate 93 vehicular trips just by itself. Whereas the typical hour of turnover of the golf
course is only 48 golfers. At 1.5 persons per car this generates 32 vehicles trips for typical golfer
turnover.
Vail Specific Comparison
Average Golfer Peak Turnover
Land Use Persons Golfer Total Total Total
Per Vehicle Per Hour Trips Entering Exiting
50%50%
Vail Golf Course 1.5 48321616
Shotgun Tournament Start
Land Use Persons Tournament Total Total Total
Per Vehicle Size (Persons) Trips Entering Exiting
100%0%
Vail Golf Course 1.5 1409393 0
Existing Banquet Facility
Looking then at the banquet use separately, contrary to the ITE rates, one could add additional trips.
The current Golf Clubhouse with a 120 seat restaurant and bar with the additional capacity of the
Krueger room provides 140 seat capacity, for sit down functions and the existing capacity for receptions
is well over 200 people. There is little data on the average use, but it is assumed to be around 100
people. This would generate an additional number of evening (4pm – 6 pm) peak hour trips calculated as
follows: 100 people/3 people per car or 33 vehicle trips for functions.
This was compared to a known banquet use at the Donovan Park Pavilion. The average function size at
this facility is between 140‐150 people of the 250 advertised capacity. Most all functions start within the
4‐6 pm time frame, based on information provided by Donovan Management the arrival of patrons to
the facility averages 3 per car, as assumed above. The average wedding party is approximately 140
people with a noted 45 cars in the parking lot.
By combing both the typical golfer turnover and estimated banquet use trip the existing peak hour trip
generation of the Golf Course and Clubhouse during an event during the hours of 4pm‐6pm is 49 trips
for the golf course and 33 trips for the banquet function for a total of 82 trips. This is similar to the ITE
rate for Saturday peak of the golf course demand, therefore we believe the more specific comparison
assumptions and relations are appropriate.
Banquet PM Function Start 4‐6pm
Land Use Persons Banquet Total Total Total
Per Vehicle Size (Persons) Trips Entering Exiting
100%0%
Donovan Park Pavilion 3 1404747 0
Existing Golf Course 3 1003333 0
Proposed Golf Course 3 1304343 0
Net 1010 0
Proposed Conditions/Traffic Generation
The remodel includes a new, dedicated banquet room. The banquet room is expected to host a variety
of functions, including but not limited to banquets, receptions, parties, lectures and other community
events. Occupancy of this room is capped at 200 persons. For the past thirty years to the present time
the 120 seat restaurant/bar of the existing Club House along with the Krueger Room has hosted these
same functions. As previously stated the capacity of this existing space for sit‐down dinners is 140
people and the existing capacity for receptions is well over 200 people. As such, the “peak event” at
the existing Club House could be larger than what could occur in the new banquet room.
In the recent past approximately 25 functions per year have been held in the restaurant space. Planners
for the remodeled Club House anticipate 60‐70 functions per year in the new banquet room. . So there
is an expectation of more frequent functions in the remodeled Club House. Seventy Five percent of all
functions will be occurring in the months from May to October.
The new banquet room, would cap the peak capacity to 200 persons with an average of events being
130 persons. The 200 peak persons would be equivalent to the current situation. Using the banquet
specific trip generation methodology described above for the average peak hour trip generator the
calculation would be as follows: 130 persons arriving at a rate of 3 people per car is equal to 43 evening
(4‐6pm) vehicular trips. The increase in average peak hour traffic demand is the difference between 43
and 33 trips or 10 additional trips in the peak hour during events.
A conservative total average evening (4‐6pm)peak hour trip generation of the Golf Course, combining
both the ITE rate and an additional banquet room facility, is 49 golf course trips (ITE) plus 43 banquet
room function trips or 92 trips. This is an increase of 10 trips over the existing evening (4‐6pm) period. It
is also similar to the shot gun start tournament scenario.
PM Peak (4‐6pm) ITE Rate + Banquet**
Total Total Total
Trips Entering Exiting
Total Existing Golf
Course 83 58 25
Total Proposed Golf
Course 93 68 25
Net 10 10 0
**Conservative approach, potentially double counts banquet facility
Nordic
There are no ITE trip generation rate references for Nordic Centers. The Nordic Center generates
significantly less traffic than the golf Course operations and its operation in the winter does not conflict
with Golf Course operations, as such was not analyzed any further with regard to peak traffic
generation.
Bicycle and Pedestrian Traffic
The Town’s existing Gore Valley Trail bike path currently runs along this section of Sunburst Drive. It is
not expected that the remodel of the Golf Course will add to bicycle and pedestrian traffic along the
Gore Valley Trail. It is suggested that “Share the Road” signs be placed on Sunburst Drive to warn
motorists of the bicycle traffic.
Effect on Local Road System
Based on road capacity standards. Sunburst Drive in its existing condition is capable of accommodating
the potential traffic increase from the proposed remodeling of the Vail Golf Course Club House.Nordic
There are no ITE trip generation rate references for Nordic Centers. The Nordic Center
generates significantly less traffic than the golf Course operations and as such was not analyzed
any further with regard to peak traffic generation.
Summary of Traffic Generation
PM Peak (4‐6pm) ITE Rate*
Total Total Total
Trips Entering Exiting
Total Existing Golf
Course 49 24 25
Total Proposed Golf
Course 49 24 25
Net 0 0 0
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PM Peak (4‐6pm) ITE Rate + Banquet**
Total Total Total
Trips Entering Exiting
Total Existing Golf
Course 83 58 25
Total Proposed Golf
Course 93 68 25
Net 10 10 0
Saturday Peak (~11AM)***
Total Total Total
Trips Entering Exiting
Total Existing Golf
Course 83 40 42
Total Proposed Golf
Course 83 40 42
Net 0 0 0
Tournament Peak (~11AM)****
Total Total Total
Trips Entering Exiting
Total Existing Golf
Course 93 93 0
Total Proposed Golf
Course 93 93 0
Net 0 0 0
* ITE Rate, per description includes Golfers, Employees, Golf Pro Shop, Banquet Facilities
**Conservative approach, potentially double counts banquet facility
***ITE Peak Hour, will generally not coincide with Banquet function
****Tournament Peak, will generally not coincide with Banquet Function
MARCIN ENGINEERING LLC
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PO Box 1062, Avon Colorado 81620 (970) 748-0274
November 7, 2012
Tom Kassmel, PE
Town of Vail Engineer
75 S. Frontage Road
Vail, CO 81657
RE: Town of Vail Golf and Nordic Clubhouse Remodel
Preliminary Drainage Memo
Dear Tom:
This letter is to describe the overall drainage concepts that the design team is
proposing for the Vail Golf and Nordic Clubhouse Remodel Project. The following
concepts are incorporated into our current grading plan and will be confirmed via a
formal drainage report as the project progress through the Town approval process:
1. Drainage from the Mountain to the South of the Project Site
a) The drainage from the mountainside south of the Project has historically
flooded the parking lot for this site. The worst of this flooding has
historically occurred during the spring snowmelt runoff. This runoff
comes down from the mountainside, crosses underneath Sunburst Drive
in twin culverts, runs between the fourth and fifth houses east of the
Project parking lot, and then is currently caught by the golf course
service road and runs down the service road to the Project parking lot.
The intent of our project, is to let this water run underneath the service
road by installing culverts under the service road These pipes are
currently called out as twin 24” HDPE culverts on Sheet C4.1. MARCIN
will confirm these pipe sizes with calculations in the formal Drainage
Report.
b) Once this water is piped under the service road east of the project
parking lot, the intent is to run the water in a newly constructed
drainage ditch around the project as depicted on Sheet C4.1. This
drainage ditch will be sized in the Drainage Report, but is preliminarily
sized as being two feet deep with 4H:1V side slopes and a four foot flat
bottom. These slopes will provide the ability to easily mow the ditch
while mowing the surrounding golf course. The ditch will have to cross
under the golf cart path with culverts and is currently depicted as going
underneath one of the proposed driving range nets off the northeast
corner of the building.
c) As the ditch crosses in front of the north side of the Project, the ditch will
pick up stormwater from the parking lot piping system and then the
ditch will run northwest across the driving range and flow into the pond
north of the driving range tee box. We have the proposed flowline of the
ditch at the pond set two feet above the pond water surface elevation to
account for two feet of freeboard in the pond.
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PO Box 1062, Avon Colorado 81620 (970) 748-0274
2. Drainage from the Project Parking Lot and Building Area
a) Drainage from the parking lot will be directed to the center of the parking
lot and will flow down a valley pan in the center of the parking lot at the
natural grade of the parking lot (ranging from 0.9% to 3%).
b) At the north of the parking lot, the water will flow into a 2’x3’ valley inlet
and the flow down into the drainage swale described above (see 1.c
above).
c) Three other inlets will catch water from the paved cart area west of the
building and will drain into the same pipe system flowing north to the
driving range ditch. The northerly inlet will tentatively be a naturalized
‘bioswale’ with appropriate plants to help filter sediment and chemicals
in run-off while allowing infiltration back into the ground. If a ‘bioswale’
is not possible due to site constraints then a Stormceptor Water Quality
Control Chamber that will treat the stormwater prior to releasing it onto
the golf course will be considered in lieu of a bioswale..
d) All piping described here will be sized accordingly in the formal Drainage
Report to be prepared by MARCIN.
e) All other water that is not caught by the parking lot drainage system (i.e.
on the south, east and north side of the building) will be graded to drain
into the ditch system described in Item 1 above.
The above concepts are how Marcin Engineering proposes to safely pass the rainfall
and snowmelt drainage events through the site. MARCIN is open to further ideas on
how to optimize these solutions and looks forward to working with the Project Team
and the Town of Vail towards Construction Documents and building a successful
project.
Sincerely,
MARCIN ENGINEERING LLC
Paul Anderson, PE
Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24,20123:35 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations unit 20
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2: 13 PM
To: Council Dist List; CommDev
Cc: Cynthia Scott
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations unit 20
Please see the letter from the owner of Vail Golfcourse Townhomes unit 20 below. Thank you.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: cynthia scott <scottmahaffyc1an@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 24,2012 at 1 :01 PM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Cc: commdev@vailgov.com, Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>, Alexander Bracken
<alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>, Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>, Eric Balzer
<eric.balzer@ramtron.com>, "James F. Tiampo" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, Jose Lanzagorta
<jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, Juan M Garcia <aquevedo@notaria55.com>, Marvin Hein
<marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "Waldo F. Geiger"
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>, Bernard Minkow
<bminkow@mac.com>, Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>, Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>,
Dave and Lynne Creager <lynniebabermearthlink.net>, David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>, "Earl J. Rusnak, Jr."
<ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>, Helen & Morris Ginsburg
<morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, Jean Gordon
<JMG412@aol.com>, Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>,
John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>, "John L.
Griebling" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, Jorge Dunand
<gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "Leonard 1. & Laura Berlik" <ljb59@verizon.net>, Luis Harvey
<lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>, Michael & Valerie Katz
<mkatz@mkreg.com>, "Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie" <hglnyc@aol.com>, Rebeca JimeneZ-Campos
<rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>, Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>, Richard & Sandra Collier
<dads4wood@hotmail.com>, Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>, "Robert W. Geyer"
<rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>, "Sergio 1. and Sara Armella" <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>, Spencer
SwaIm <sswalm@twgservices.com>, Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>, Susan
Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>, Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>, Bob and Liz Kivland
<bilinreilly@yahoo.com>, Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>, Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis
olson@comcast.net>, Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>, Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>, Dunvil
Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>, Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>, Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>, "Lee G. Schulman" <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>, Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@grnail.com>, Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>, "Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder" <mlippitt@uniqueprop.com>, "Michael S. Barish" <mbarish@cambiar.com>, "Philip L. Bernstein"
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
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Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also.
We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for
the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this.
We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well
as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of
Vail. We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed
limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full
already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the
Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed
that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost
exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that
would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish
greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golf balls at all at our
home.
I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive
ways.
Thank you for listening!
Sincerely,
Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott
Unit 20
On Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>wrote:
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4: 1 5 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
2
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
3
would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
"..lalia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads R\:!a!ly Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
4
Cynthia Y. Scott
303-517-5117
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
5
Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:33 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: cynthia scott [mailto:scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:01 PM
To: Malia Cox Nobrega
Cc: CommDev; Alberto Abed; Alexander Bracken; Enrique R Miranda Paz; Eric Balzer; James F. Tiampo; Jose Lanzagorta;
Juan M Garcia; Marvin Hein; Michael Grifflnger; Waldo F. Geiger; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan; Bernard Minkow; Bob Rule;
Brooks and Linda Zug; Dave and Lynne Creager; David Zinni Earl J. Rusnak, Jr.; George Hallenbeck; Helen & Morris
Ginsburg; James & Elaine Lunney; Jean Gordon; Jean Hall; Jeff & Adele Stalder; John & Penny Terhar; John and Susan
Gowen; John L. Griebling; Jorge Conseco; Jorge Dunand; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik; Luis Harvey; Manuel Girault; Michael
& Valerie Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos; Rene & Aurora Leon; Richard & Sandra Collier;
Robert Trotta; Robert W. Geyeri Sergio J. and Sara Armella; Spencer Swaim; Steve & Brigid Wilkening; Susan Townsend;
Arlene Bobrow; Bob and Liz Kivland; Brian Barishi Curtis and Kris Olson; Dennis Scioli; Donald Ferlic; Dunvil Properties
LLC; Harry Stephenson; Kevin Murphy; Lee G. Schulman; Lyn Batcheller; Manuel Orvananosi Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder; Michael S. Barish; Philip L. Bernstein
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also.
We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for
the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this.
We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well
as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of
VaiL We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed
limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full
already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the
Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed
that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost
exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that
would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish
greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golfballs at all at our
home.
I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive
ways.
Thank you for listening!
Sincerely,
Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott
Unit 20
1
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia(a),crossroadsvail.com> wrote:
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue {information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners} and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
2
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels.
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
3
Alyne Kaplan
:'dalia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Reall \' Ltd
malia@crossroadsvaiLcom
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
Cynthia Y. Scott
303-517-5117
4
Bill Gibson
From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20122:25 PM
To: CommDev; Council Dist List
Cc: Enrique R Miranda Paz
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from Enrique Miranda from Vail Golfcourse Townhome Unit 19.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>
Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com>
Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>,
"commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>,
"alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com"
<scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "jtiampo@mbaI987.hbs.edu" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>,
"jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx" <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria55.com"
<aguevedo@notaria5 5 .com>, "marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>,
"griffinger@gibbonslaw.com" <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net"
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, "awk3 569@gmail.com" <awk3 569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com"
<bminkow@mac.com>, "bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com"
<bzug@harbourvest.com>, "lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com"
<ahhso@aol.com>, "ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>,
"george@hallenbeck.com" <george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com"
<morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, "JLunney@wealthstratgroup .com" <JL unney@wealthstratgroup.com>,
"JMG412@aol.com" <JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>,
"j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com" <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>,
"j gowen@lgi.com" <j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngrie bling@comcast.net>,
"j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net" <j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrioni.com" <gdunand@ferrioni.com>,
"ljb59@verizon.net" <ljb59@verizon.net>, "lharvey@nexxuscapital.com" <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>,
"manuel.girau1t@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>
We owns unit 19 at The Golf Course and we agree with the below mails.
Mirathi SA de CV
Sent from my iPhone
On 22110/2012, at 11:49, Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote:
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<ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobaLnet>; Jorge Dunand
<gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>; Manuel Girault <manueLgirault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter
M. & Helena M. Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>;
Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier
<dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer
<rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>; Spencer
Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan
Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz
Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis
olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil
Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmaiLcom>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein
< pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts
contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf
Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this
home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property
manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail
Recreation District, the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions
regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented
for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is
very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town
and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general
3
use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the
neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community
venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail
have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property
when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these
venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues
and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are
quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass
lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences,
Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail
the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High
School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to
that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this
area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel
it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was
a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is
100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected
by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good
sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities
for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area
ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubholJse or the golf
course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to
have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already
takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is
already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the
connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation
seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at
a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a
true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail
area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us
now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over
time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that
the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from
the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any
changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting
4
alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range,
however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors
concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process
locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to
be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event
venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not
done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property
manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong
to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second
homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling
that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt
like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those
good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how
so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out
litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for
everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the
process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not
possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon
expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be
negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on
expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming
from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to
be impressive enough to put everyone through tbis.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our
property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on
this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your
plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them
to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve
to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else
seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners,
make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood
in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to
convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can
do individually.
Sincerely,
5
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
6
Bill Gibson
From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:26 PM
To: CommDev; Council Dist List
Cc: Enrique R Miranda Paz
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from Enrique Miranda from Vail Golfcourse Townhome Unit 19.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>
Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com>
Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>,
"commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>,
"alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com"
<scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "itiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu" <itiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>,
"i ose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx" <i ose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com"
<aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com>, "marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>,
"griffinger@gibbonslaw.com" <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net"
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, "awk3569@gmail.com" <awk3569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com"
<bminkow@mac.com>, "bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com"
<bzug@harbourvest.com>, "lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com"
<ahhso@aol.com>, "ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>,
"george@hallenbeck.com" <george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com"
<morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, "JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com" <JL unney@wealthstratgroup.com>,
"JMG412@aol.com" <JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>,
"i stalder@fsf-Iaw.com" <i stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>,
"j gowen@lgi.com" <j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngriebling@comcast.net>,
"j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net" <j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrioni .com" <gdunand@ferrioni.com>,
"ljb59@verizon.net" <ljb59@verizon.net>, "lharvey@nexxuscapital.com" <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>,
"manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>
We owns unit 19 at The Golf Course and we agree with the below mails.
Mirathi SA de CV
Sent from my iPhone
On 22110/2012, at 11:49, Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote:
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<ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge Dunand
<gdunand@ferrionLcom>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>; Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter
M. & Helena M. Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>i
Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>; Richard & Sandra Collier
<dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer
<rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>i Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>i Spencer
Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan
Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>; Bob and Liz
Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>i Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis
olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>i Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil
Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>i Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>i Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmail.com>i Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts
contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf
Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vall Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this
home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property
manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail
Recreation District. the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions
regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented
for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is
very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town
and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general
3
use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the
neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community
venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail
have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property
when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these
venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues
and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are
quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass
lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences,
Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail
the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High
School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to
that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this
area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel
it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was
a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is
100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected
by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good
sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities
for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area
ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf
course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to
have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already
takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is
already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the
connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation
seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at
a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a
true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail
area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us
now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over
time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that
the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from
the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any
changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting
4
alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range,
however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors
concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process
locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to
be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event
venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not
done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property
manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong
to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second
homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling
that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt
like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those
good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how
so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out
litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for
everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the
process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not
possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon
expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be
negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on
expected revenues 'from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming
from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to
be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our
property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on
this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your
plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them
to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve
to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else
seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners,
make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood
in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to
convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can
do individually.
Sincerely,
5
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
6
Bill Gibson
From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:38 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:41 PM
To: Council Dist List; CommDev
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please below email from unit 41 owner at Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Luis Harvey M <lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 11 :22 AM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: Eric Balzer <Eric.Balzer@ramtron.com>
Cc: Michael Katz <mkatz@mkreg.com>, "malia@crossroadsvail.com" <malia@crossroadsvail.com>,
"commdev@vailgov.com" <commdev@vailgov.com>, "flymex042752@aol.com" <flymex042752@aol.com>,
"alexander. bracken@cusys.edu" <alexander. bracken@cusys.edu>, "scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com"
<scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>, "emiranda@miranda.com.mx" <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>,
"jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, "jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx"
<jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, "aquevedo@notaria5 5 .com" <aquevedo@notaria55.com>,
"marvin.c.hein@gmail.com" <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, "griffinger@gibbonslaw.com"
<griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "wallygeiger@prodigy.net" <wallygeiger@prodigy.net>,
"awk3569@gmail.com" <awk3 569@gmail.com>, "bminkow@mac.com" <bminkow@mac.com>,
"bobrule@hotmail.com" <bobrule@hotmail.com>, "bzug@harbourvest.com" <bzug@harbourvest.com>,
"lynniebabe@earthlink.net" <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, "ahhso@aol.com" <ahhso@aol.com>,
"ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com" <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, "george@hallenbeck.com"
<george@hallenbeck.com>, "morrisginsburg@mindspring.com" <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>,
"JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com" <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, "JMG412@aol.com"
<JMG412@aol.com>, "DANDJHALL@aol.com" <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, "j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com"
<j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>, "jterhar@sthmotors.com" <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, "j gowen@lgLcom"
<j gowen@lgi.com>, "ngriebling@comcast.net" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, "jecanseco@sbcglobal.net"
<jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, "gdunand@ferrionLcom" <gdunand@ferrionLcom>, "ljb59@verizon.net"
<ljb59@verizon.net>, "manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx" <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>
I am the owner of unit 41.
I atrongly agree with the comments below.
I hope the town reconsiders its plans.
Regards
Luis Alberto Harvey
Nexxus Capital, S.A. de C.V.
Vasco de Quiroga # 3880, piso 2
Santa Fe, D.F. 05348
1
Phone: +52-555-292-3400
US Phone: + 1-646-415-8719
Email: lharvey@nexxuscapital.com
Sent from my iPhone
On 2211012012, at 11:50, "Eric Balzer" <Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com> wrote:
We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community
and out of the hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no
longer be a somewhat quiet neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers
utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events will likely raise the opportunity for a bike J car
accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we have on Sunburst lane.
I agree with the emails below, please reconsider.
From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM
To: malia@crossroadsvail.comi commdev@vailgov.com
Cc: flymex042752@aol.comi alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.comi
emiranda@miranda.com.mx; Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mxi
aguevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com;
wallygeiger@prodigy.neti awk3569@gmail.comi bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com;
bzug@harbourvest.comi Iynniebabe@earthlink.neti ahhso@aol.comi ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.comi
george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.comi JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com;
JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.comi j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.comi
jgowen@lgi.comi ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.comi
Ijb59@verizon.neti Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Alyne.
Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree.
We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to
best insure the continued quality of life in our town home community.
Michael and Valerie Katz
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 09:35 AM Central Standard Time
To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com>
Cc: Alberto Abed <flymex042752@aol.com>i Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>i
Cynthia Scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>;
Eric Balzer <eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose
Lanzagorta <jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin
Hein <marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger
2
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>; Bernard Minkow
<bminkow@mac.com>; Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug
<bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager <Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn
<ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>; George Hallenbeck
<george@halienbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>i James &
Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>i Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>; Jean Hall
<DANDJHALL@aol.com>; Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf~law.com>; John & Penny Terhar
<jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling
<nqrieblinq@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge Dunand
<gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>i Manuel Girault <manuel.qirault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter
M. & Helena M. Leslie <hqlnyc@aol.com>i Rebeca JimeneZ-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>i
Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>i Richard & Sandra Collier
<dads4wood@hotmail.com>i Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>i Robert W. Geyer
<rwqeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella <sergio armella@cyvsa.com>; Spencer
Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>; Susan
Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>i Bob and Liz
Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>; Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis~
olson@comcast.net>; Dennis SCioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>i Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>; Dunvil
Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>; Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmail.com>i Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>i Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts
contained in this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf
Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this
home in Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property
manager has been continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail
Recreation District. the Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions
regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course area.
3
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented
for the clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is
very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town
and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general
use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the
neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community
venue like Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail
have open space around them and had no structures or facilities located on the property
when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these
venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues
and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are
quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass
lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences,
Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail
the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High
School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to
that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this
area and the land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel
it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was
a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is
100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected
by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good
sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate facilities
for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area
ignore illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf
course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to
have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already
takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is
already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the
connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation
seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at
a substantial premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a
true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail
area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us
now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over
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time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that
the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from
the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any
changes to the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting
alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving range,
however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors
concerns) if many of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process
locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to
be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event
venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not
done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property
manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong
to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second
homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling
that this is what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt
like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to keep those
good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how
so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out
litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for
everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the
process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not
possible to make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon
expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be
negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on
expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming
from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to
be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our
property manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on
this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your
plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them
to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve
to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else
seeing them then they can certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners,
make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our neighborhood
in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to
convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can
do individually.
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Sincerely.
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
Este mensaje y sus anexos son confidenciales. Si usted no es el destinatario, Ie suplicamos
notificarlo al remitente y no utilizarIo, copiario 0 divulgar su contenido. Muchas gracias. This e
mail and its attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the
sender and do not use them, copy or disclose their contents. Thank you
Este mensaje y sus anexos son confidenciaies. Si usted no es el destinatario, Ie suplicamos notificarlo al
remitente y no utilizarIo, copiario 0 divulgar su contenido. Muchas gracias. This e-mail and its attachments are
confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender and do not use them, copy or
disclose their contents. Thank you
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
6
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
7
Bill Gibson
From: David Rhoades on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20122:40 PM
To: CommDev; Council Dist List
Cc: Jean Hall
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see below from owner of Vail Golfcourse Townhome unit 32
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: <DANDJHALL@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 11 :06 AM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com
Great letter. Thanks for forwarding it.
Jean Hall
In a message dated 10/22120129:35:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, malia@crossroadsvail.com writes:
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in
this letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in
Vail for over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been
continually presenting information from all sides on this issue (Information from Vail Recreation District, the
Town, neighboring owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project
plans at the Vail Golf Course area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and
outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these
efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to
rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the
neighboring owners.
1
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had
no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the
vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and
nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in
comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas
that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs between homes and the venue along with
mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High
School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in
comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you
are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here
to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the specifics or if the position of the Sunburst
owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed
restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area
given the limited land for appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely
be adversely impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore
illegal parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking
capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in
addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving {15 mile an hour zone that is
already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the summer there are numerous
bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through the golf course. Bringing more
traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium)
for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the
"hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from
under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want
a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the
character of the neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if
this lawsuit from the Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to
the 18th hole will diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to
protect from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found
there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these
neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal
approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event
venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of
letting you know how disturbing this is to the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without
relying upon our property manager then you would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong
to feel as though we are being treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these
continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I want to
keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you understand how so many of
us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As you are certainly aware,
litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also undermine the
community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make
everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the
plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await
the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the
VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put
everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc
the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add
their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone.
2
I
encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be
heard as well. If those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can
certainly send it directly themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the
biggest effect on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cell u lar
970-479-9534 fax
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:26 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Cou rse Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20123:53 PM
To: CommDev; Council Dist List
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from Vail Golfcourse Townhome owner of unit 53.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 3:49 PM
Subject: FW: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia ..As you know we have been in the Vail valley for thirty years and in our present location since 1984. I have read
Alyne's comments and agree with all of them and I don't think I could express them any better. Please forward. Morris
and Helen Ginsburg
Morris Ginsburg
H&M Mortgage
Manager
Phone: 303-221-3200 x104
Fax: 303-221-2744
Email: morrisginsburg@mindspring.com
From: Eric Balzer [mailto:Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:49 AM
To: Michael Katz; malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com
Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx;
jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx; aguevedo@notaria55.com; marvin.c.hein@gmail.com;
griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; waliygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com; bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com;
bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com; ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com;
george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com; JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com; JMG412@aol.com;
DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com; jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net;
1
jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com; Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com;
manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: RE: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
We have owned Unit #25 for 8 years. We bought it because it was more of a neighborhood community and out of the
hustle and bustle of Vail proper. It certainly seems that, with 150 events, this will no longer be a somewhat quiet
neighborhood. Further, the summer brings a terrific number of bikers utilizing the access to the bike trail, and events
will likely raise the opportunity for a bike / car accident. This doesn't make sense, or continue the atmosphere that we
have on Sunburst Lane.
I agree with the emails below, please reconsider.
From: Michael Katz [mailto:mkatz@mkreg.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22,20128:59 AM
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; commdev@vailgov.com
Cc: f1ymex042752@aol.com; alexander.bracken@cusys.edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda.com.mx;
Eric Balzer; jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu; jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mxi aquevedo@notaria55.com;
marvin.c.hein@gmail.com; griffinger@gibbonslaw.com; wallygeiger@prodigy.net; awk3569@gmail.com;
bminkow@mac.com; bobrule@hotmail.com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink.net; ahhso@aol.com;
ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com; george@hallenbeck.com; morrisginsburg@mindspring.com;
JLunney@wealthstratgroup.comi JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com;
jterhar@sthmotors.com; jgowen@lgi.com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal.net; gdunand@ferrioni.com;
Ijb59@verizon.net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com; manuel.qirault@avemex.com.mx
Subject: Re: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Alyne.
Thank you for your very thoughtful and comprehensive analysis. Simply put we agree.
We have owned Unit #46 for nearly 20 years and are prepared to support any reasonable measure to best insure the
continued quality of life in our town home community.
Michael and Valerie Katz
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 201209:35 AM Central Standard Time
To: commdev@vailgov.com <commdev@vailgov.com>
Cc: Alberto Abed <f1ymex042752@aol.com>; Alexander Bracken <alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>; Cynthia Scott
<scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>; Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>; Eric Balzer
<eric.balzer@ramtron.com>; James F. Tiampo <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>; Jose Lanzagorta
<jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx>; Juan M Garcia <aquevedo@notaria55.com>; Marvin Hein
<marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>; Michael Griffinger <griffinger@qibbonslaw.com>; Waldo F. Geiger
<wallygeiqer@prodigy.net>; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@qmail.com>; Bernard Minkow <bminkow@mac.com>;
Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>; Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>; Dave and Lynne Creager
<Iynniebabe@earthlink.net>; David Zinn <ahhso@aol.com>; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr. <ERU5NAK@harrisassoc.com>; George
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Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>; Helen & Morris Ginsburg <morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>; James & Elaine
Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>; Jean Gordon <JMG412@aol.com>i Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol,com>; Jeff
& Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>; John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>; John and Susan Gowen
<jgowen@lgi.com>; John L. Griebling <ngriebling@comcast.net>; Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>; Jorge
Dunand <gdunand@ferrioni.com>; Leonard J. & Laura Berlik <ljb59@verizon.net>; Luis Harvey
<Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com>i Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>; Michael Katz; Peter M. & Helena M.
Leslie <hglnyc@aol.com>; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos <rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>; Rene & Aurora Leon
<reneleon@erreele.com.mx>i Richard & Sandra Collier <dads4wood@hotmail.com>; Robert Trotta
<bob@resort.co.uk>; Robert W. Geyer <rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>; Sergio J. and Sara Armella
<sergio armella@cwsa.com>; Spencer Swaim <sswalm@twgservices.com>; Steve & Brigid Wilkening
<BrigidWilkening@aol.com>i Susan Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>; Arlene Bobrow
<asbobrow@yahoo.com>i Bob and Liz Kivland <bilinreilly@yahoo.com>; Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail,com>i Curtis
and Kris Olson <curtis-olson@comcast.net>; Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>; Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>i
Dunvil Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>; Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@aol.com>; Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>i Lee G. Schulman <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>; Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmail,com>; Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>; Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott Shwayder
<mlippitt@unigueprop.com>; Michael S. Barish <mbarish@cambiar.com>; Philip L. Bernstein
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19,2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvaiLcom>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue {information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners} and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
3
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School). the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
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I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course T own homes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
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Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:28 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@erossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:38 PM
To: Council Dist List; CommDev
Cc: Donald Ferlie
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations
Please see the below email from the owner of unit 64 from the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: <SF8888@aol.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 23,2012 at 11 :48 AM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com, commdev@vailgov.com
Cc: flymex04 275 2@aol.com, alexander. bracken@cusys.edu, scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com,
emiranda@miranda.com.mx, eric. balzer@ramtron.com, jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu,
jose.lanzagorta@avemex.com.mx, aquevedo@notaria55.com, marvin.c.hein@gmail.com,
griffinger@gibbonslaw.com, wallygei ger@prodigy.net, awk3569@gmail.com, bminkow@mac.com,
bobrule@hotmail.com, bzug@harbourvest.com, lynniebabe@earthlink.net, ahhso@aol.com,
ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com, george@hallenbeck.com, morrisginsburg@mindspring.com,
JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com, JMG412@aol.com, DANDJHALL@aol.com, j stalder@fsf-law.com,
jterhar@sthmotors.com, j gowen@lgi.com, ngriebling@comcast.net, j ecanseco@sbcglobal.net,
gdunand@ferrioni.com, Ijb59@verizon.net, Iharvey@nexxuscapital.com, manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx,
mkatz@mkreg.com, hglnyc@aol.com, rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com, reneleon@erreele.com.mx,
dads4wood@hotmail.com, bob@resort.co.uk, rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com, sergio armella@cyvsa.com,
sswalm@twgservices.com, BrigidWilkening@aol.com, drsusantownsend@gmail.com, asbobrow@yahoo.com,
bilinreilly@yahoo.com, eabarish@gmail.com, curtis-olson@comcast.net, gemvest@yahoo.com,
dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx, hcseyemd@aol.com, kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net, veinsonline l@yahoo.com,
batch.joe@gmail.com, maneorva@prodigy.net.mx, mlippitt@uniqueprop.com, mbarish@cambiar.com,
pbernstein@jacobstern.com
Dear All,
As owner of golfcourse townhome #64 I appreciate the well thought out and well expressed letter. I feel it does convey
our feelings very well, and I urge the town to reconsider their ambitious plans and the potentially negative impact their
ideas would create to the golf club area neighborhood.
Sincerely,
Sharon Ferlic
Malia Cox Nobrega
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Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977 -1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
2
Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:28 AM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
From: SF8888@aol.com [mailto:SF8888@aol,com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23,2012 11:49 AM
To: malia@crossroadsvail.com; CommDev
Cc: flymex042752@aol.com; alexander,bracken@cusys,edu; scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com; emiranda@miranda,com,mx;
eric,balzer@ramtron,com; jtiampo@mba1987,hbs,edu; jose,lanzagorta@avemex,com,mx; aquevedo@notaria55,com;
marvin,c,hein@gmail,com; griffinger@gibbonslaw,com; wallygeiger@prodigy,net; awk3569@gmail,com;
bminkow@mac,com; bobrule@hotmail,com; bzug@harbourvest.com; Iynniebabe@earthlink,net; ahhso@aol,com;
ERUSNAK@harrisassoc,com; george@hallenbeck,com; morrisginsburg@mindspring,com;
JLunney@wealthstratgroup,com; JMG412@aol.com; DANDJHALL@aol.com; j stalder@fsf-Iaw,com;
jterhar@sthmotors,com; jgowen@lgi,com; ngriebling@comcast.net; jecanseco@sbcglobal,net; gdunand@ferrioni,com;
Ijb59@verizon,net; Iharvey@nexxuscapital,com; manuel,girault@avemex,com,mx; mkatz@mkreg,com; hglnyc@aol,com;
rebecajimguerra@yahoo,com; reneleon@erreele,com,mx; dads4wood@hotmail,com; bob@resort,co,uk;
rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup,com; sergio armella@cyvsa,com; sswalm@twgservices,com; BrigidWilkening@aol.com;
drsusantownsend@gmail.com; asbobrow@yahoo,com; bilinreilly@yahoo,com; eabarish@gmail.com; curtis
olson@comcast.net; gemvest@yahoo,com; dVilchis@casasarko,com,mx; hcseyemd@aol,com;
kevin,p,murphy@comcast.net; veinsonlinel@yahoo,com; batch,joe@gmail,com; maneorva@prodigy,net.mx;
mlippitt@uniqueprop,com; mbarish@cambiar,com; pbernstein@jacobstern,com
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
Dear All,
As owner of golfcourse townhome #64 I appreciate the well thought out and well expressed letter. I feel it does convey
our feelings very well, and I urge the town to reconsider their ambitious plans and the potentially negative impact their
ideas would create to the golf club area neighborhood.
Sincerely,
Sharon Ferlic
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:35 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations unit 20
From: Malia Cox Nobrega [mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 20122:13 PM
To: Council Dist List; CommDev
Cc: Cynthia Scott
Subject: Fwd: Golf Course Renovations unit 20
Please see the letter from the owner of Vail Golfcourse Townhomes unit 20 below. Thank you.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: cynthia scott <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 24,2012 at 1 :01 PM
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Cc: commdev@vailgov.com, Alberto Abed <f1ymex042752@aol.com>, Alexander Bracken
<alexander.bracken@cusys.edu>, Enrique R Miranda Paz <emiranda@miranda.com.mx>, Eric Balzer
<eric.balzer@ramtron.com>, "James F. Tiampo" <jtiampo@mba1987.hbs.edu>, Jose Lanzagorta
<jose.1anzagorta@avemex.com.mx>, Juan M Garcia <aguevedo@notaria55.com>, Marvin Hein
<marvin.c.hein@gmail.com>, Michael Griffinger <griffinger@gibbonslaw.com>, "Waldo F. Geiger"
<wallygeiger@prodigy.net>, Abbey & Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>, Bernard Minkow
<bminkow@mac.com>, Bob Rule <bobrule@hotmail.com>, Brooks and Linda Zug <bzug@harbourvest.com>,
Dave and Lynne Creager <lynniebabe@earthlink.net>, David Zinn <ahbso@aol.com>, "Earl J. Rusnak, Jr."
<ERUSNAK@harrisassoc.com>, George Hallenbeck <george@hallenbeck.com>, Helen & Morris Ginsburg
<morrisginsburg@mindspring.com>, James & Elaine Lunney <JLunney@wealthstratgroup.com>, Jean Gordon
<JMG412@ao1.com>, Jean Hall <DANDJHALL@aol.com>, Jeff & Adele Stalder <j stalder@fsf-Iaw.com>,
John & Penny Terhar <jterhar@sthmotors.com>, John and Susan Gowen <jgowen@lgi.com>, "John L.
Griebling" <ngriebling@comcast.net>, Jorge Conseco <jecanseco@sbcglobal.net>, Jorge Dunand
<gdunand@ferrioni.com>, "Leonard J. & Laura Berlik" <ljb59@verizon.net>, Luis Harvey
<lharvey@nexxuscapital.com>, Manuel Girault <manuel.girault@avemex.com.mx>, Michael & Valerie Katz
<mkatz@mkreg.com>, "Peter M. & Helena M. Leslie" <hglnyc@aol.com>, Rebeca Jimenez-Campos
<rebecajimguerra@yahoo.com>, Rene & Aurora Leon <reneleon@erreele.com.mx>, Richard & Sandra Collier
<dads4wood@hotmail.com>, Robert Trotta <bob@resort.co.uk>, "Robert W. Geyer"
<rwgeyer@sunsetautogroup.com>, "Sergio J. and Sara Annella" <sergio annella@cyvsa.com>, Spencer
SwaIm <sswalm@twgservices.com>, Steve & Brigid Wilkening <BrigidWilkening@aol.com>, Susan
Townsend <drsusantownsend@gmail.com>, Arlene Bobrow <asbobrow@yahoo.com>, Bob and Liz Kivland
<bilinreilly@yahoo.com>, Brian Barish <eabarish@gmail.com>, Curtis and Kris Olson <curtis
olson@comcast.net>, Dennis Scioli <gemvest@yahoo.com>, Donald Ferlic <sf8888@aol.com>, Dunvil
Properties LLC <dvilchis@casasarko.com.mx>, Harry Stephenson <hcseyemd@ao1.com>, Kevin Murphy
<kevin.p.murphy@comcast.net>, "Lee G. Schulman" <veinsonlinel@yahoo.com>, Lyn Batcheller
<batch.joe@gmail.com>, Manuel Orvananos <maneorva@prodigy.net.mx>, "Marc Lippitt Mr. Scott
Shwayder" <mlippitt@unigueprop.com>, "Michael S. Barish" <mbarish@cambiar.com>, "Philip L. Bernstein"
<pbernstein@jacobstern.com>
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Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also.
We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the GolflNordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for
the decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this.
We have o'Wlled Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well
as the easy access to the bus stop for heading into to'Wll to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of
Vail. We have raised 4 kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed
limits on the often slippery winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full
already with all the skiers who park in the golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the
Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed
that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost
exclusively when we are in to'Wll in the summer. I worry that we could have a problem with anything that
would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the neighborhood would diminish
greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant golfballs at all at our
home.
I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive
ways.
Thank you for listening!
Sincerely,
Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott
Unit 20
On Mon, Oct 22,2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com> wrote:
Please see the below email from one of the homeo'Wllers at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com>
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this letter
may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thank you
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in Lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf Course
area.
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First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the
clubhouse and outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed
so we are thankful for these efforts. I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District
has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general use, this is a great relief. Thank you for
listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like
Donovan Pavilion and Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around
them and had no structures or facilities located on the property when the neighboring homeowners
bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues. Additionally, there is a much more substantial
barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our situation at the Vail Golf Course
where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge areas of
grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore
Creek runs between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest
properties are Homestake Peak School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf
course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the
land that you are working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for
people that purchased here to anticipate that such a change was a likelihood. I don't know all the
specifics or if the position of the Sunburst owners is 100% accurate but it is my understanding that
there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the parcel in question. It
also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for appropriate
facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely
impacted. Even now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal
parking along the road for people that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its
parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to have approximately 150 events per year at this
new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road is a slow moving (15 mile
an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path. During the
summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path
through the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I
just don't see how this can turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial
premium) for the proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is
quiet and out of the "hustle and bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our
purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I cannot help but wonder if this will negatively
impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to replace the dated facility but we
had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the neighborhood at the same
time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the Sunburst
owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will
diminish its appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect
from errant balls from the driving range, however, I have played there for many years and have not
found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many
of these neighbors were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember
the proposal approving the transfer of the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse
including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in this area, other than the Sunburst
owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to the other
neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you
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would understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being
treated like second class citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans
have left me with pangs of feeling that this is what I never thought I was "just a second
homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years of owning in Vail and I
want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn
out litigation. As you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone
including the Town, but will also undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to
make everyone happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but
I do feel that the plan in its current form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not
just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected revenues from these changes in the report that I
have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a hard time believing that the
revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property
manager to cc the other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them
an opportunity to if t add their position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly
don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project
and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If those owners wish to send their
opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect
on our neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at
trying to convey how we feel to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do
individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 oflicc
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 hlX
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Cynthia Y. Scott
303-517-5117
Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
malia@crossroadsvail.com
www.searchvailmls.com
970-476-4300 office
970-977-1041 cellular
970-479-9534 fax
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Bill Gibson
From: Lynne Campbell on behalf of CommDev
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:33 PM
To: Bill Gibson
Subject: FW: Golf Course Renovations
-----Original Message----
From: Eric Balzer [mailto:Eric.Balzer@RAMTRON.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24,2012 1:28 PM
To: cynthia scott
Cc: Malia Cox Nobrega; CommDev; Alberto Abed; Alexander Bracken; Enrique R Miranda Paz; James F. Tiampo; Jose
lanzagorta; Juan M Garcia; Marvin Hein; Michael Griffinger; Waldo F. Geiger; Abbey & Alyne Kaplan; Bernard Minkow;
Bob Rule; Brooks and Linda Zug; Dave and lynne Creager; David Zinn; Earl J. Rusnak, Jr.; George Hallenbeck; Helen &
Morris Ginsburg; James & Elaine Lunney; Jean Gordon; Jean Hall; Jeff & Adele Stalder; John & Penny Terhar; John and
Susan Gowen; John L. Griebling; Jorge Conseco; Jorge Dunand; leonard J. & laura Berlik; luis Harvey; Manuel Girault;
Michael & Valerie Katz; Peter M. & Helena M. leslie; Rebeca Jimenez-Campos; Rene & Aurora leon; Richard & Sandra
Collier; Robert Trotta; Robert W. Geyer; Sergio J. and Sara Armella; Spencer Swaim; Steve & Brigid Wilkening; Susan
Townsend; Arlene Bobrow; Bob and Liz Kivland; Brian Barish; Curtis and Kris Olson; Dennis Scioli; Donald Ferlic; Dunvil
Properties LlC; Harry Stephenson; Kevin Murphy; lee G. Schulman; lyn Batcheller; Manuel Orvananos; Marc Lippitt Mr.
Scott Shwayder; Michael S. Barish; Philip L Bernstein
Subject: Re: Golf Course Renovations
Well put!!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:01 PM, "cynthia scott" <scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com<mailto:scottmahaffyclan@gmail.com»
wrote:
Thank you Alyne, for your comprehensive letter. You address many of my concerns also.
We are thrilled about the much needed renovation of the Golf/Nordic Clubhouse. And, I too, am grateful for the
decision to keep the zoning out of "general use." Many thanks for hearing us on this.
We have owned Unit 20 for 12 years and have enjoyed the quiet feeling of our home away from home as well as the
easy access to the bus stop for heading into town to ski and enjoy the festive hustle and bustle of Vail. We have raised 4
kids here and greatly appreciate the neighborhood feeling and especially the slow speed limits on the often slippery
winter crossing of Sunburst Drive to the bus stop. The bus is often VERY full already with all the skiers who park in the
golf club parking lot and overflow onto the streets. We also use the Nordic Center and ski track often in the winter and
always walk along Sunburst to get there. I have also noticed that the summer bike traffic is heavy and increasing
already. We are a part of this and use our bikes almost exclusively when we are in town in the summer. I worry that we
could have a problem with anything that would further increase the traffic on Sunburst. Certainly, the appeal of the
neighborhood would diminish greatly with more cars. I will also add that I have never noticed a problem with errant
golf balls at all at our home.
I hope that we can somehow avoid the costly litigation process and use that money in other more productive ways.
1
Thank you for listening!
Sincerely,
Cynthia Mahaffy Scott and Peter Scott
Unit 20
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com<mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com»
wrote:
Please see the below email from one of the homeowners at the Vail Golfcourse Townhomes.
----------Forwarded message ---------
From: Alyne Kaplan <awk3569@gmail.com<mailto:awk3569@gmail.com»
Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Golf Course Renovations
To: Malia Cox Nobrega <malia@crossroadsvail.com<mailto:malia@crossroadsvail.com»
Malia
Would you please forward the following letter to the appropriate parties. I think some of the facts contained in this
letter may not have been addressed in the decision making process regarding the Golf Course Renovations.
Thankyou
I am the owner of Unit 55 at the Vail Golf Course Townhomes. My husband and I have owned our this home in Vail for
over 16 years and prior to that owned a condominium in lionshead. Our property manager has been continually
presenting information from all sides on this issue (information from Vail Recreation District, the Town, neighboring
owners) and I wanted to take the time to express my opinions regarding the ongoing project plans at the Vail Golf
Course area.
First, I am thrilled that a long overdue face-lift and improvements are being implemented for the clubhouse and
outbuildings for the course. Everyone seems to agree that this is very much needed so we are thankful for these efforts.
I am also grateful that the Town and the Vail Recreation District has changed its plans from trying to rezone to general
use, this is a great relief. Thank you for listening to these important concerns from the neighboring owners.
I disagree with the notion that this venue and location is similar to having a community venue like Donovan Pavilion and
Eagle-Vail Pavilion. Both Donovan and Eagle-Vail have open space around them and had no structures or facilities
located on the property when the neighboring homeowners bought their homes in the vicinity of these venues.
Additionally, there is a much more substantial barrier between these venues and nearby owners compared to our
situation at the Vail Golf Course where things are quite dense in comparison. For example, Donovan Pavilion has huge
areas of grass lawns, parks etcetera and on the areas that are closest to adjacent private residences, Gore Creek runs
between homes and the venue along with mature trees. In Eagle-Vail the nearest properties are Homestake Peak
School (formerly Battle Mountain High School), the community golf course, pool and tennis courts. No one lives even
close to that venue in comparison.
Conversely, at the Vail Golf Course clubhouse area we are very close together in this area and the land that you are
working with is substantially smaller. I for one do not feel it was reasonable for people that purchased here to anticipate
that such a change was a likelihood. I donlt know all the specifics or ifthe position of the Sunburst owners is 100%
accurate but it is my understanding that there was good reason to feel protected by the deed restrictions in place on the
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parcel in question. It also doesn't make good sense to me to add a venue to this area given the limited land for
appropriate facilities for parking. It is too close to neighboring residences that will likely be adversely impacted. Even
now there are several times per year that we as neighbors in the area ignore illegal parking along the road for people
that are at the clubhouse or the golf course when it is beyond its parking capacity. I am told that you are planning to
have approximately 150 events per year at this new venue in addition to what already takes place. The single entry road
is a slow moving (15 mile an hour zone that is already a challenge due to the fact that it is shared with the bike path.
During the summer there are numerous bikers, including many small children riding to the connecting bike path through
the golf course. Bringing more traffic to the situation seems undesirable on several levels. I just don't see how this can
turn out well.
I believe many if not most of the owners that bought property in this area did so (and at a substantial premium) for the
proximity to the Vail core while at the same time having a true "neighborhood" that is quiet and out of the "hustle and
bustle" of the main Vail area. It feels a bit like the reasons for our purchase are being jerked out from under us now. I
cannot help but wonder if this will negatively impact our property values over time. Yes we want a newer facility to
replace the dated facility but we had no idea that the price for that would be to change the character of the
neighborhood at the same time. I also wonder if this event venue is taken out of the equation if this lawsuit from the
Sunburst owners would also go away. As an avid golfer of the course I feel any changes to the 18th hole will diminish its
appeal. I am sure cheaper and less impacting alternatives could be explored to protect from errant balls from the driving
range, however, I have played there for many years and have not found there to be an issue.
I ask you to consider if you would have pursued this position (given the neighbors concerns) if many of these neighbors
were entitled to vote in the elections process locally? Actually I don't remember the proposal approving the transfer of
the monies to be used for the improvement of the clubhouse including any type of event venue. Maybe we as owners in
this area, other than the Sunburst owners, have not done an adequate job of letting you know how disturbing this is to
the other neighbors. If we had better expressed ourselves without relying upon our property manager then you would
understand how important this is us as well. It may be wrong to feel as though we are being treated like second class
citizens as second homeowners, but I must admit these continued plans have left me with pangs of feeling that this is
what I never thought I was "just a second homeowner." I have always felt like a part of this community in all these years
of owning in Vail and I want to keep those good feelings. I am hopeful that if we express ourselves more and you
understand how so many of us feel that this can get back on track and avoid the nightmare of drawn out litigation. As
you are certainly aware, litigation will not only undermine pocketbooks for everyone including the Town, but will also
undermine the community spirit in the process.
Thank you very much for taking the time to listen to my concerns. I realize that it is not possible to make everyone
happy and that you have changed some things based upon expressed concerns, but I do feel that the plan in its current
form still seems to be negative for a great deal of people and not just a few. I anxiously await the study on expected
revenues from these changes in the report that I have been told is forthcoming from the VRD and the Town. I have a
hard time believing that the revenue is going to be impressive enough to put everyone through this.
I feel very strongly that many other neighbors agree with my position so I am asking our property manager to cc the
other homeowners in the Vail Golf Course Townhomes on this email to give them an opportunity to if t add their
position either in support of your plans or against them as I certainly don't want to speak for everyone. I encourage
them to "reply to all" with their opinions on the project and if they support it then they deserve to be heard as well. If
those owners wish to send their opinions without everyone else seeing them then they can certainly send it directly
themselves. Please other owners, make your opinions known on something that is the biggest effect on our
neighborhood in the entire time that I have owned. Although Malia has done a great job at trying to convey how we feel
to the Town, it impossible for her to fully express what only we can do individually.
Sincerely,
Alyne Kaplan
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Malia Cox Nobrega
Crossroads Realty Ltd
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Cynthia Y. Scott
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PEC Meeting
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There has been inadequatenotice for this meeting. The slides presented to the PEC at the
October 22, 2012 meeting have yet to be published, and the application materiats forthe
CUP were onlyposted after 4:30 PM on Friday, November 9, 2012—yesterday's business
day.
The Operating Plan cannot be used as a substitute formeeting actual parking standards:
In 1986, whenrequested to modifythe Conditional Use Permit toadd an occasional
meeting room of approximately 500 sq. ft., the PEC required theaddition of 4.8 additional
parking spaces.
Today, a request to add 7,000 sq. ft. of interiorbanquet and meetingspace plus 5,000
sq. ft. of banquet lawn space (12,000 sq. ft. total) provides only 9 additional parking
spaces. Linearscaling would require 115 additional spaces. The new use is NOT
occasional, with a plan for 100 events in the high seasons, implying 4-5 events per
week.
If a dubious operating plan is accepted as an alternative to actual parking spaces, the
PEC can expectevery futureapplicant to demandequal treatment. For example, a hotel
could claim its operating plan requires 30% of its guest to use publictransportation.
The so-called estrictions in the Operating Plan are outrageousexamples of self-dealing and
are not restrictionsat all.
TheTown of Vail, as the applicant for the CUP, agrees to various restrictions in the
Operating Plan. But, this same Operating Plan grants thesameapplicantthe authority to
exempt itself from the restrictions.
Examples of such self-exemptedrestrictions are: use of tents, parking on Sunburst Drive,
and hours of operation of the Event Center.
Perhapsthemost accurate paragraph in the Operating Plan reads (on page 7) "the Club
House is located on a municipal public golf course and within a residentialneighborhood and
witlbe required to agree to respect the quiet enjoyment ofthe neighboring properties".
TheCUP application and the self-exempted Operating Plan restrictions are in complete
conflict with those words.
The PEC is required to consider the "effect upon the character of thearea in which the
proposed use is to be located, includingthe scale and bulk of the proposed use in
relation to surrounding uses." The PEC mustdenythis attempt to hijacktheClubHouse
and convert it to an Events Center.
If there is any doubtabout the intention to hijack the ClubHouse, consider the architect's
testimonyat the November 8, 2012 DRB meeting.
The DRB had several questions regarding signage and wondered how people would
knowwhich entrance to the building touse.
Thebuilding architect said no onecould mistake the Pavilion entrance. There would be a
small door with a smallsign saying "Golf Entrance" and a large, prominent gabled
entrance with a large sign saying "Events Pavilion".
There is no doubt that this CUP is a hijacking of the Golf Club House and of the 18th hole
to create a re-purposedEvent Center, including authorization for tents, bleachers,
concessions and restrooms that does not fit the neighborhood and is not an accessory
use of the golf course.
The CUP must be denied.
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Vail Golf Course ClubhouselEvent Center
Vail Planning and EnvironmentalCominission
12 November 2012
Index of E ibits Presented by
Sunburst Drive Homeowners
partial)
1. LetterAnalysis dated 9 November 2012
2. Warranty Deed from Pulis Ranchto Town of Vail
3. E-mailfrom Warren Pulis
4. August, 2011, Town Council minutes
5. Diagram of intended use of eventcenter
6. Objections from or on behalf of approximately 80 members of the golfing
community, property owners and residents (June-July)
7. Inputfrom Sunburst neighborhood (July-September)
8. Objection letter to the editor and Objection reaffirmations from 30 members of
golfing community - no reversals of prior positions (October)
9. Alternative plans for clubhousestructure
10. PEC record from June-July proceedings (notavailable but to be included in record
of these proceedings)
Vail Valley
Suite 310
Warner Professional Building 2
Post OfficeBox 2800
Vail, Colorado 8165&2800
Telep h one: 970.476.6500
Telecopi er: 970.476.4765
Law Office of
ARTHUR A. ABPLANALP, JR.
L.L.C.
www.abplanalplawoffice.com
ArtC AbplanalpLawOffice.com
9 November 2012
Planning and Environmental Commission
of the Town of Vail
75 South FrontageRoad West
Vail CO Via E-mail and Hand Delivery
Re: Vail Golf Course and Golf Clubhouse/Event CenterProposal
Members of the Commission:
Fort Collins
Suite 260
Historic Miller Block
11 Old TownSquare
Fort Collins, Colorado 80524
Telephone: 970.482.6900
Telecopier: 970.482.6905
As the Planning and Environmental Commission is probably aware, this Office and I
represent or are authorized to express the objections of the owners and residents of ten properties
on Sunburst Drive, adjacent to the18th hole of the Vail Golf Course, in connection with three
pending applications now befare the Planning and EnvironmentalCommission. The list of those
property owners and families, and a map identifying their properties, isattached to this letter.
The following analysis eYpresses most, butnot necessarily all, of the concerns and
objections of the owners and residents of the properties refened to above:
Mattersunder Consideration
Zone District Amendment - Those onwhose behalfI speak have no objection to the zone
district amendment.
2. Zone Text Amendment - Those on whose behalf I speak have no objection to the zoning
text amendment, provided that the proposed 33-foot maximum height is, in fact, the maximum
height, and that architectural featuressuch as towers are not permitted to exceed that height.
3. Conditional Use Permit -
Everyone wishes to have a renovated golf courseclubhouse, consistent with the
representations of the Vail Town Council and Town Manager in developing the ballot language
relating to the use of convention center funds for that purpose in August, 2011.
The Council's description of the project prior to the convention fund election was specific
in that the renovated clubhouse was to be within the footprint of the existing clubhouse. Any
intent to destroy any part of the 18th fairway or to use of any part of the18th fairway for an event
center appropriating a significant part of the golf course was not publicized in connection with
the development of the ballot question and did not receive voter or community approval. It is
largelythat deparlure from the Council's commitment which has generated this controversy and
the litigation in which everyone is involved today.
Relationship to Existing, Conditional Use Permit
The current application is characterized as an amendment to a 1986 conditional use
pernut for a clubhouse, which would pernutimprovement of the clubhouse. Characterizing the
project as a"clubhouse" is an attemptto achieve authorization of the project as an"accessory
use" in the Outdoor Recreation zone district, as though it were related to a golf course.
Notwithstanding the Town's "clubhouse" characterization, the proposed structure and
uses of adjacent properiy would comprise an profit-oriented event complex which has no
relationship to a golf clubhouse and which is not an accessory use to a golf course. To the best of
our knowledge, no other public ar semi-public golf course in Eagle County has an event center as
part of a clubhouse structure, although several communities, such as Eagle-Vail, Singletree, and
EagleRanch have event centers at different locations, similar to the Donovan Pavilion.
The proposed project calls for the creation of a facility which can be called a mini-
convention center, which the Vail voters disapproved in 2005, or it can be called an event center.
The one thing which it cannot legitimately be called is a clubhouse. It both appears to be and
would function more like the Air Force Academy chapel than a golf clubhouse. Calling the Air
Force Academy chapel a"clubhouse" doesn't make it a clubhouse, any more than calling an
aircraft carrier a"clubhouse" makes that vessel a clubhouse. So it is with this proposed building.
With reference to whether the proposed project isan "accessory use", the Municipal Code
defines an accessory use as"a use or activity that is subardinate orincidental to a permitted or
conditional use". The space related to golf functions in the proposedstructure, such as the pro
shop and the lockerroom, represents a small fraction of the total floor area of the proposed
structure. The land area which is proposed for designation as event space greatly exceeds the
area adjacent to the clubhouse which is to be golf-related. A mini-convention center or events
center of the nature which is proposed (including both interior and exterior features) is in no way
subordinate or incidental to a permitted or conditional use", and it is not eligible for a
conditional use permit in the Outdoor Recreation zone district.
The Town of Vail land use regulations do not authorize the proposed project as an
accessory use, and the PEC must deny the request for the proposed conditional use.
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Responses of the Communitv
The Town of Vail has been provided with copies of the June-July correspondence from
the golfing communiiy and has additional later communications, particularlyfrom the property
owners and residents of the Sunburst neighborhood (bothSunburst Drive and Vail Golfcourse
TownhouseAssociations). These communications identify objections, issues and actions
requiredto eliminate or mitigate threats to the neighborhood. All of these comments are to be
included in the record of these proceedings. Thismaterial specifically includesbut is not limited
to various letters from Sunburst Drive property owners which have been sent to the Town during
recent months and specifically a letter from the Sunburst Drive Homeowners to the PEC dated
and received by the Town of Vail on the 17th day of October, 2012.
If the PEC chooses to proceed with consideration of this project and actually takes action
approving it, then it must consider the vast range of objections to the proposal. The June-July
input from the community brought objections from morethan eighty members of the golfing
community and neighborhood, and only four responses in support, making it clear that this
praject was unacceptable. More recently, the Vail Recreation District indicated, in response to a
reference to the June-3uly communications, that those in the golfmgcommunity who had
previously objected had reversed theirposition and that therewere only a couple of golferswho
objected. This is simplynot true. I contacted those in the golfing community who had
previously objected and asked whether they had changed their positions. None of the previous
objectars indicated that he ar she hadchanged positions. Indeed, approximately half of those
who previously objected took the troubletoreconfirm their previousobjections. There is no
evidence that anyone who previously objectedto the proposed project has changed his or her
position. Neither has there been anychange in position in the Sunburst neighborhood. In fact,
within recent weeks, upon being made aware of the pending threat, the residents and property
owners of the Vail GolfcourseTownhomes have objected as well.
No one favors this proposal except a majority of the Town Council andthe Vail
Marketing Board, both of whom view it as a revenue generator. If the Town had an application
for a projectlike this from a private party determined to destroy a neighborhood based upon a
profit motive, it would nevermake it past conceptual review. The PEC should hold this
application to the same standard as any other application and deny it promptly and finally.
RequirementsEstablished bv the Municipal Code
The Vail Municipal Code has criteria upon which the decision of the PEC is to be based,
but it is important to note that the entire process itself has been flawed. Although the Town filed
applications for threeactions (zone district amendment, zoning text change amendment and
conditional use permit) on the 24th of September, 2012, those applications were incomplete and
failed tosatisfy applicable regulations, at best.
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Only the application for the zone district amendment was clear. The property which
serves as a parkinglot is to be changed toOutdoor Recreation. Thatproposal has met with no
objection.
The application for the zoning text change amendmentwasmare of a reference to a
possible discussion of alternative proposals to address a challenge presented by the design of the
proposed event center, dealing with three alternatives whichmight be requested for
consideration. Only after more that a month of processing was a decision made onthemanner in
which the matter would be presented for consideration.
The application for a conditional use permit was incompletewhen filed and has
represented a moving target since the beginning of theprocess. The application conflicts both
internally and with the governing provisions of the Municipal Code.
With reference to notice of the PEC hearing process, that notice was circulated to the
neighborhood after the initial application, when the only certaintyrelated to the zone district
amendment. Only through monitoring the progress of the matter could anyone be aware of the
possibility that a real hearing would occur at some time after the initial conceptualconsideration,
and most recently access to the evolution of theprocess has been denied by litigation counsel to
the Town of Vail. When the PEC decides that there is a complete and final application upon
which a hearing can be conducted, proper noticesshould be circulated and published, reasonable
opportunity should be provided to review the final proposal, and a hearing should be publicly
announced and conducted based upon those proper notices and the availability of information.
Criteria Under the Munic alCode
The Municipal Code establishes criteria for the granting or denial of a proposed
conditional use permit, or a significant amendment to an existing conditional use permit. The
PEC is requiredby 12-16-10 of the Municipal Code to review the proposal in accordance with
the provisions far a newly initiated application for a conditional use permit generally. That
process requires a review of the criteria applicable to an original conditional use permit. As
identified by the Town staff and the Municipal Code, the criteria for determining whether a
conditional use permit should be granted, and the accurate analysis (differing significantly from
the analysis offered to the PEC by the Town), are the following:
1. The precise nature of the proposed use andmeasures proposed to make the use
compatible with other roperties in the vicinitv. The current golf course clubhouse is a
golfmg facility with a restaurant and attached space which occasionally serves to 120
people. The Town's proposedeventcenteris designed to accommodate 200people in its
interior event space in addition to golf traffic, and the Town intends to convert part of a
golf course into an exteriar and adjoining event center, for use 100 times each year. It is
the Town's apparent position that this activity constitutes no change in use. The use of
part of the current 18th fairway and the use of tents which can be permitted by the Town
would increase the numbers by several hundred, bringing the total number present toat
least500 people. No reasonable person could agree with an analysis which indicates that
such uses are comparable to the existing use or are compatible with a residential
neighborhood. The proposed changes in use will prevent the owners and residents of
residences in the neighbarhood from being ableto use those residences in the way any
residential property owner is entitled to expect, and the associated destruction of part of
the golf course eliminates entirely an amenity which the Town agreed to respect and
maintain, under what is referred to as the "Pulis covenant" (part of the attached deed)
when it acquired the property almost thirty years ago. There are no measures which can
be established to make the proposed use compatible with other properties in the vicinity.
2. Relationship and impact of the use on development objectives of the Town. The Town
took steps to reallocate conference center funds for expenditure on this and two other
projects, but the representation made by the Town Council and Manager in order to
obtain community consent to the reallocation of those funds was that the clubhouse
would be renovated within the footprint of the existing building. There was no
suggestion that the project wouldinvolve the conversion of the clubhouse to an event
center with a de minimus golf facility or the expansion of exterior event facilities
necessitating the destruction of part of the golf course.
3. Effect of the use on li ht and air, distribution of population, transportation facilities,
utilities, schools, parks and recreation facilities, and other publicfacilities and ublic
facilities needs. Contrary to the Town's assertion that some of these considerations will
experience improvement, the light and noise from the proposed facility will be a factor in
making the neighborhood difficult to inhabit, and the golf recreation facility which has
existed for more than forty years will be severely impacted. The congestion which will
be associated with group events numbering 200 people on a regular basis and 500 people
when the Town decides to permit that to happen, in addition to 90 vehicles from golf
traffic (accordingto the Town's analysis) will render the Town unable to effectively
provide for fire and other safety protection.
4. Effect upon traffic, with particular reference to con estion, automotive andpedestrian
safetv and convenience, traffic flow and control, access, maneuverability, and removal of
snow from the streetsand parking areas. It seems to be the Town's position that the
change in use from occasional events for a maa imum of 120 people to 100 events per
year (at least three to four a week during high seasons) for 200-500 people will create no
issue regardingcongestion, automotive and pedestrian safety and convenience, traffic
flow and control. The Town's conclusion has not objective support and defies logic. The
location is served by a narrow road which even during a neighborhood meeting conducted
by the Town during a summer golf day resulted in the necessity of cars being parked
along Sunburst Drive, effectively creating a one-lane street. Aga.in, the congestion which
will be associated with group events. numbering 200 to 500 people in addition to golf
traffic will endanger the community and the guests. The Townsimply will not be able to
provide adequate fire and other safety protection services.
Effect on the character of the area in which the proposed use is to be located, includin
the scale and bulk of the pro osed use in relation to surrounding uses. The effect of the
proposed use, with reference to both thesize and operation of the new structure and the
conversion of the exterior space from a golf course fo an event venue, will be to destroy
the ability of residentsand property owners to experience the normal enjoyment of an
established neighborhood of more than 100 residences, including both the low density
residences along Sunburst Drive and many of the townhouse residences withinVail
GolfcourseTownhomes.
The impacts discussedabove, and the fact that they can be easily identified butnot
resolved, has been established through the unanimity of the communications to the Town of Vail
from the Sunburst neighborhood andthe golf community. The Town's effort topush through its
plan without recognizing that these critical flaws cannot be resolved, defies the Town of Vail
electorate, the community and logical analysis.
Management and Operations Plan
The PEC is being told by the Town that problems which cannot otherwise be resolved
will be resolved through the effect of the "management and operations plan" (the "Operations
Plan") which has been submitted in connection with the application for the conditional use
permit. For the PEC to acceptsuch logic would be an abdication of the PEC's responsibility to
guarantee that applicantsresolve issues before a conditional use is authorized.
The proposed Operations Plan, while presented as the idealmethod of addressing the
issues identified by the neighborhood, is so vague and variable that its very natureestablishes
that theseissues can be identified, but they cannot be resolved. The proposed Operations Plan
cannot be relied upon by anyone other than the Town, and the Town's reliance is based uponits
unenforceability and the ability of the Town togrant itself dispensations from the limitations
contained in the plan, particularly the size of event, parking and outside functions, which may
involve the unlimited use of tents. While the proposed Operations Plansupposedly can be
changed only through the conditional use process, the reality is that the internalprovisions of the
planpernut the Town to avoid its limitations and prohibitions at will.
The proposedmanagement and operations plan has no significance whatsoever in
connection with any limitations upon which the neighborhood can rely.
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Reauired Responses to Specific Impacts on the Communitv
With reference to speciiic impacts on the neighborhood and the provisions required to
mitigate, if not eliminate, those impacts, these impacts and measures were generally addressed in
the letter from the Sunburst Drive Homeowners of the 17th of October referred to above and
include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:
l. The size of the project is grossly in excess of what has been the prior practice,
dramatically increasing the effective capacity of the existing facility. If the project is to
proceed, the capacity of the project should be limited to 120 persons total, as currently
configured, and no eYterior activity should be permitted.
2. The parking issues cannot be resolved unless events occur only when golf and nardic
activities and operations are not occurring. Consequently, any authorization must allow
activities not related to golf or nordic uses only at times when golf and nordic activities
are not occurring. As limited in the original conveyance of this property to the Town, the
golf, park and open space function of this facility mustremain the reason for its existence.
No activities can be permitted on the current location of the 18th fairway or 18th green,
which must remain in their current configuration. ,
4. Noise impacts must be eliminated, to the extent possible, by prohibiting exterior
amplified sound, by the eliminating any possibility that windows can be opened in any
location wherenoise can be produced, and by prohibiting all activities outside the
remodeled structure after 10:00pm.
5. Lighting must be limited to that which is necessary for safe pedestrian traffic to and from
the remodeled structure.
6. Provision must be made for effective monitoring of noise and activities, and for
enforcement and sanctions in the case of violations.
7. Tents must be prohibited in a11 circumstances.
Finally, any authorization must ensure that there is constructed a significant vegetative
bufFer to protect theresidences, with no activities south or southeast of the current cart
path lying on the northwest side of the west half of the18th hole.
If there were an attempt toimplement a plan which incorporated theabove conditions, it
would be necessary to memorialize that plan as an enforceabledocument which neither party
could change other than by the consent of both the Town and the residents.
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Conclusion
As has previously beenstated, the Town's proposal to reconstruct the Vail golf course
clubhouse was approved by the electorate based upon the representation of the Council that the
project would be limited to the footprint of the current clubhouse. The current proposal has
taken on a life of its own, with no relationshipto the fundamental requirement that it bean
accessory use" related to the golf course or to the justifiable expectations of those who relied on
the Town Council's assurances associated with the 2011 convention center fund ballot question.
The proposed conditional use permit should be denied. If granted, the conditions must
include those noted above, as more specifically described in past communications to the Town of
Vail.
Enclosure
xc: Sunburst Drive Homeowners
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Sunburst Drive Homeowners
represented by
or on whose behalf the
foregoing objections and comments are submitted
1785 Sunburst Drive - Cocomodo Investments LP (Olson family) - unplatted
1801-A Sunburst Drive - Hilliard, Glenn - Lot 2A, Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1801-B Sunburst Drive - Chapman, Leeand Sandra - Lot 2B,Vai1 Valley 3rd Filing
1815 Sunburst Drive - St reCo. Ltd. (Gonzalez family) - Lot 3, Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1825 Sunburst Drive - Webster, Deborah - Lot 4, Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1835 Sunburst Drive - 1835 Sunburst Drive, LLC (Chotin family) - Lot S,Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1875 Sunburst Drive - Callahan, Richard and Celeste - Lot 7, Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1979 Sunburst Drive - Maslak, Samuel and Luleta - Lot 12, Vail Valley 3rd Filing
1999 Sunburst Drive - Knowlton, Richard and Nancy - Lot 14,Vai1 Valley 3rd Filing
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iollwinY nine cour alon aid north ely bound ty (1)195.12 f et
lon th rc ot a curv to th• l it h vin s radtu ot 208.84 faec
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188.10 ft; (2) 67•57'30"H 244.19 f rtt (3) 132.4) i st alon ths
arc of i curve to th l tt h vins tadiu• of 191.50 i t, a cantr l
an l• o! 79•38"06', ad a chosd vhich b r SSS'08'27"N 129.85 te ti
4) 835'19'24"H 53.18 t st (S) 91.32 i t Ion; tr• arc of a curvs
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00'00", snd chord uhich b r• 84b't9'24"il 90.95 fart; (6)
8 53•19'24" li 197.05 l t (7) 114.13 ft alon
th sc of a curv to th• l ft havia radiu of 1bS.00 t t, cen-
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curve to ct• rieht h vin a s diUS ot 109.87 l t. a c ntsal n i•
o! 72•Si'4" and a chord vhich b ra SSO•07'Y3"N 129.31 fe t to chs
narthvs t cosnsr of Lot 2 Yeil Vall y Third Filins; th nce slong
th• narth rly liq of a parc l d cribsd in Baok 325 •t Ys 460 ia
tha Cloxk'a Ricord 68.98 t L along th •rc of e curve to the ri ht
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chord h1ch Desre N75•11'43"N 67.83 f c co the o t e terly cornax
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R cords; thenc• the follavinQ elQht couYt long ths e stesly end
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the arc ot a curv to tha right having s radiva of 108.87 feet a con-
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Trustes, I taooci +and Vall btruF alitml t cr+Atlat D.frtz'1ot Le+saeer re ded
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Il. asacnent. au hown on tt moorMci Ple t ot Vail Villaga, Ei9rirh Piling.
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From: wkpulis@aol.com [mailto:wkpulis@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: hello from Vaii
After reading about the possibilityofthe Town of /ail installing an Events
Center at the Uail Golf Course, it seems like a total sham that it is even possible
todo so. Wi±h our legal documentstatingthe only use being a golfi course, open
space, park and related facilities, why is this center even being considered? The
Golf Course etc." clausewas worded to prevent thissort of thing from
happening. Why not a hotel; condominiums or dissolving the golf courseentirely
at the Town's will and selling the property off to private investors? Our conditions
were agreed upon by the Town's officials with their initial signing of thedocument.
I would expect thatcommitment to be morally honored by the present
representatives.
Warren Pulis
ballot languageidentical to that which was tested in the poll. A draft resolution is
presented for discussion so that any changes and/or additions requested byCouncil
may be incorporatedprior to proposed adoption of the resolution on August 16.
Cleveland read the following ballot language intothe record. "Ballot Question No. 1
Without increasingtaxes, shail the Town of Vail use theremainder of the one andone-
half percentlodging tax revenues and one-half percent sales tax revenuescollected
from January 1, 2003, through December 31, 20Q5, tofund thefailowing projects that
will promoterecreation, promote tourism and support the economy in the Town of Vail:
Renovation of the clubhouse at the Vail Goif Course and NordicCenter, including a new
pavilion;
Field expansion and restroomrenovation at the Ford Park Sports Compiex; and
FordPark Amphitheater impravements, including outdoor seating and restroorn
improvements?"
Donovan stated this was the wording used in the poiling survey. Rogers said there are
a number of people who are confused about the new pavilion. Daly suggested saying
community space instead of a new pavilion. Camp suggested the wording be
community pavilion and extended deck. Newbury said to use expanding and improving
the clubhouse including a community space. Newbury said they should have more
information to clarify that additional funding wouid be need to be provided toward
these projects because thecurrent wording suggests the funds will completely provide
for these projects and the town needs partners. Zemler suggested whoever is in
charge should do the education of this. Zemler said they need to make sure there is an
aspect of the language that states the new community space is to serve the community.
Gretchen Busse, resident, stated she has livedon Sunburst Drive for many years. She
said she was told the pavilionwould be6,000 square feet and didn't thinkthat was
appropriate as this isin a residential area. She is concerned as there are a lot of
bicyciists that ride on Sunburst Driveand she is concerned about adequate parking as
are some of her neighbors. Cieveland said the information she aot was incorrect. The
pavilion will be built in the footprintof the existing golf course club house. She wants
more information on how big of a pavilion they are trying to build and where the
parking will be. Daly said there will be more parkinq available and the pavilion would
be in part of the club house building footprint. Daly suggested she contact Mike Ortiz
and getthe neighbors together to discuss this project in further detail. Joe Hanlon,
with the Vail Recreation District (VRD), said they will be reaching out to the neighbors
of the areaand go throughthe plans and educatepeople on what this project looks
like. Jim Lamont, Vail Homeowners Association, said they have concerns at Ford Park
Town Council Meeting Minutes of August 2, 2011 page '7
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Table of Contents to Communications to Town of Vail from
Objectors to Conversion of Vail Golf Course Clubhouseto Event Center
and Destruction of 18th Hole of Vail Golf Course
I,imited 06 June - 12 July 2012
06 June 2012
Bugby, Dale
07 June 2012
Hall, Rob
Goldstein, David & Mary
Irwin, Dave and Debbie
Arford, Craig and Sue
W i lson. Ken
12 lune
Potto, Joe
Bennett, Phil
Zeltman, Bob and Malin
Cohen, Jeff
McAvity, Douglas
Connolly, Stephen
Forb s, Chris
Payne, Hugh
Hitt, Farrow
Theisen, Bobcat Steve
Scliwartz, Michael
Colwell, Mark
Hatami, Todd
14 June
Howe, Trudy
Ogden, Geordy
Gottlieb, Lynn
Savage, Scott
Taylor, Eric
f-Iatami, Todd (2nd)
14 June (continued)
Johnson, Randy
Seidman, Paul
Guerry, Robin and Ken
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Cro vley, Charlie and Ginny
1 June
Lamb, George
Bugby, Dale (2nd)
19 June
Sunburst o vner (Hilliard, G., and other adjacent property o vners) by Abplanalp
20 June
Hatami, Todd (3rd)
21 June
Taylor, Eric (2nd)
Connors, TJ (2nd)
26 June
Chapman, Sandy andLee (adjacent property owners)
Webster, Deborah (adjacent property owner)
Blanchard, Stephen (acljacent resident)
Ludwig, Tom
Hilliard, Glenn
27 June
I-Iilliard, Glenn, and other adjacent property owners by Abplanalp (2nd)
28 June
Woods, Peter and Sandy
Newsam, Sarah
Collins, Stephen
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29 June
Chotin, Steven and Robin (adjacent property owners)
Cook, Don
Hinds, Richard
Bugby, Dale (3rd)
Hamelin, Rol
Wikert, Alinda
2 July
Walsh, Bob and Trudy
Goldstein, David and Mary (2nd)
Hilliard, Landon (adjacent property o vner)
Wyman, Frederick
Busse, Gretchen (aeijacent propertyowner)
Olson, Curtis (adjacent property owner)
Cady, Steve
Pollack, Susan
Ogden, Gordy (2nd)
Carlson, John
Furstenberg, Peter and Dorothy
Seidman, Paul (?nd)
Essin, Bob
Rey, Schram
Schram> Liz
Starfire Company (adjacent property owner)
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Vande Garde, LarryD., MD
Walker, Carrie
Zeltman, Malin (2nd)
Zeltinan, L ob (2nd)
Smith, Theresa
Olson, Curtis (ac3jacent propertyowner) (2nd)
Sjogren, Karla
03 July
Hemelin, Rol and Franberg, Ingie
Chapman, Lee and Sandy {adjacent property owners) (2nd)
3
OS July
Bugby, Dale (4th)
leltman, Bob (3rd)
11 July
Wright, Wayne
Hillard and other adjacent property owners by Abplanalp (3rd)
12 July
Hilliard, Glenn and Heather (2nd)
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From: Dale Bugby [mailto•DaleFromVailC Hotmail.coml
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:24 PM
To: Bank Bobby; Sehler Roger; 8enson Jim; Boillot David; Boymer Bob; Connolly 5tephen; Cuomo 6art;
Dubois Tom; Faessler Johannes; FermanisJohn; Foley Kevin; Forey Dan; Goode Eileen; Goode John;
Gramshammer Pep(; Hall Rob; Hanlon Margaret; Hiland Debbie; Hftt Farrow S; Hopkins Pam; Irwin Dave;
Jonathan Staufer; Keiton Art; Knobel Peter; Knox Allen; Lamont Jim; Levin Ri[h; Millette Karin; Newblatt
Bob; Office Vail Chamber; Ohde Andrea; Retzlaff Julie; Rosen eob; Silverman Rick; Sjogren Ka ta; Staufer
Joe; Stevens Patti; Taylor Brian; Thiele Pati; Vail Homeowners Assaiation; Wilhelm Karen; Zemler Stan
Subject: Fwd: Save #18From 8ecoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Subject: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphatt parking Lot!
Dear Mens Ciub Golfers:
I found out in the stweek about the re-desi n of #18 at the Vaii Golf Course. Man of
e ., r o ar annm ari nPw rinhhnus mnnev t at camerom t OIIOcIJGGiIurulcvlVYr ' - ' '
nnventi n center n s. e voted to onrove thaC IdSt NOVBl11b2t'. Yay, a new
we
4 flnishing hole! As we inquired about tt we
s the aolf ole on 1 wi q
Of
our inpu . The half a dozenhomes o I e l8th reen neea our in t. i ne
pan is opave over so there is adequateparking for
conventbn space! Theydon't have enough money to build a proper parking structure,
so #18 becomes a parking fot? THIS IS N u HAT TMF vnrFRC eepRQVEp yye
quali of our golf c ur
Respond to this emall before 5PM on Thursday and I will take your response to the Vaii
REC District meetlng.
Better yet, show up and voice your opposition at the REC Distrkt meeUng, 5PM June7th
Thursday in the Town of Vall chambers.
Da/e Bugby
i/ail Resort Renta/s, Inc.
970-476-0900
www. ailResortRentals cr m
Vista Rea/ Estate, Inc.
970-476-6213
www. fstarRealEstate. cvm
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4-7-3
From: kenw@vail.net
To: dalefromvail@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:32:53 -0600
Dale,
You need to know that this is not a VRD project. It is a TOV project. The VRD is the tenant,
at the golf course and at the clubhouse.
Asto the 18th hole, there have been numerous public meetings on the redesign of the
hole. There is not one board member "happy" that this redesign is necessary to
accommodatethe newevents center and clubhouse.
I wish you would have taken the time to get your facts "straight" beforesending your email.
Thanks.
Ken Wilson
970-390-1320
Lorelei Donaidson
From: Dale eugby <dafefromvail@hotmaii.com>
Sent Thursday, June 07, 2012 10;54 AM
To: adminQvailrec.com; Councit Dist List; Stan Zemler, allvrdboard@vailrec.com
Subjed- FW: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Da/e eugby
arl Resort Renta/s, Inc.
970-476-0900
www. ar7ResortRenta/s.com
Vrstar Real Estate, Inc.
970-476-6223
www. istarRea/Estate.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:39:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
From: luckv71351Ca amail,m
To: DaleFromVailCa hotmail.com
From Rob Hall:
Typical govt operation. What they dont know, they dont need to know: We shouldstand up and fight this. Its our right.
They need more parktng anyway adn pavin4 # 18 is t how its done.
Thank you
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Dale Bugby <DaleFromVail@hotmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Save #18 FromBecoming an Asphait ParkingLot!
Dear Mens Club Golfers:
I found out fn the past week about the re-design of #18 at the Vail Golf Course. Many of us have been
aware of the voter approved new ciubhousemoney that came from the old conventioncenter funds. We
voted to approve that last November. Yay, a new clubhouse! Now tt at we are back ptaying golf some of
us have noticed a couple of poster boards showing a new golf design for number 18. The current plan
has shortened the par 5#18 to a par 4 finishing hole! As we inquired about It we have been toldby our
frlends on the REC District 8oard that the goif hole on 18 will go away in August and it is too late for
input! REALI.Y? Too late for input would assume we knew somethfng about It prior to it befng too late
for (nput. TheTown Council needs ourtnput. The Vail REC Distrkt needs our input. Theplanning
department and design review board need our input. Thehaif a dozen homes overlooking the 18th
green need our input. The current pian is to pave over #18 so there is adequate parking for
convention space! They don't have enough money to buiid a properparking structure, so #18 becomes
a parkinglot7 THIS IS NOTWHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED. We agreed to a new ctubhouse, not the
destruction of the best finishing hole of golf in the Vail Valtey. Do we really need a circus tent on # 18
doingweddings until m(dnfght? The new clubhouse should accomodate golfers and g oups rather than
i
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Lorelei Donaldson
From; Dale Bugby <dalefromvail@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 201210:52 AM
To: admin@vailrec.com; Council Dist List; Stan Zemler; allvrdboard@vailrec.com
Subject: FW: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Da/e 8ugby
Vai/ Resort Rentals, Inc.
9i0-476-0900
www. ailResortRenta/s. com
Vistar Real Estate, Inc.
970-976-6123
wwx : Vista Rea/Estate. mm
Date: Wed, 6]un 2012 19:21:22 -0700
From: dgmg3142(g yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Save #18 From Becoming anAsphalt Parking Lot!
To: dalefromvall@hotmail.com
Good eveningDale,
M,wife and I would bothprefer #18 to stay the same.
The green s in t iF epe ect—Tp aceinreiat on to t e cTubhouseand the outside patio.
We would (ike to see an alternative plan that leaves #18 in its present form.
We are out of town until late June so please include us as part of the opposition to change.
Regards,
David and Mary Goldstein
On Wed, 6/6/12, Dale Bughy <dalefromvai otmai com> wrote:
From: Dale Bugby <dalefromvail@hotmail.com>
Subject: Save #18 From Becoming an AsphaltParking Lot!
To: "Dale Bugby" <dalefromvail@hotmail.corn>
Cc: "Alice Plain" <aplain@vailrec.com>, leftnrightpgm@yahoo.com, "Chris Johnson"
cjohnson@vailrec.com>, king_ad@yahoo.com, wgmd@hotmail.com, rcwildvail@yahoo.com,
vailbob@comcast.net, bobwalsh971@comcast.net, rwilhelm@vail-beavercreek.com, bobzeltman@yahoo.com,
Brian Taylor" <tayloredcabinet@gmail.com>, "BRUCE FRASER" <brucer&aser@,msn.corn>,
c.arford@comcast.net, dstripp@skiclubvail.org, vaildc@comeast.net, daverootl@hotmail.com,
kasingleton@q.com, wavygravey@hotmail.com, dgmg3142Qa yahoo.com, skijetre@msn.corn, "Dennis Koller"
dennis koller@hotmail.com>, d.pappas@comcast.net, dabel@vail.net, mclohman@comcast.net,
stevieofpb@pnail.corn, etaylor@jjet_com, "Gene Henry" <hiltonvaill@comcast.net>,
ii i2oiz
4-7-8
Lorelei Donaldson
From: Dale Bugby <dalefromvail@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursciay, June 07, 2d12 10:54 AM •
To: admin@vailrec.com; Council Dist List; 5tan Zemler, alivrdboard@vailrec.com
Subject: FW: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt ParkingLot!
Dale Bugby
a!l Reso t Rentals, Inc.
970-476-0900
w y ailResortRentals cnm
Vista Rea/ Estate, Inc.
970-476-6113
www. VisfarRea/Estate. com
From: dirwin slifer.net
To: Dal FromVailCcilHotmaiLcom
Subject: RE: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt ParkingLot!
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:19:27 +0000
Vail REC District-
We ar_ e ageainstchanginghole #18 at the VaVI Golf Course. Wedo support a new clubho se, butnotthe destruction
of 18.
Da ve nd Debbie Irwin
From: Dale Bugby .[mailto:DaleFromVall@Hotmall.coml
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:29 PM
To: Bank Bobby; Behler Roger; Benson ]im; 6olltot David; Boymer Bob; Connolly Stephen; Cuomo Bart; Dubois Tom;
Faessler Johannes; Fermanls John; Foley Kevin; Forey Dan; Goode Elleen; GoodeJohn; Gramshammer Pepi; Hall Rob;
Hanlon Margaret; Debbie Irwin; Hitt Farrow B; Hopkins Pam; Irwin Dave; Jonathan Staufer; Kelton Art; Knobel Peter;
Knox Allen; tamont Jim; Levin Rich; Mlllette Karin; Newblatt eob; O ce Vail Charnber; Ohde Andrea; Re laff Julie; Rosen
Bob; Silverman Rlck; Sjogren Karla; Staufer Joe; Stevens Patd; 7aylor Brian; Thfele Pati; Vail Homeowners Association;
Wilhelm Karen; ZemlerStan
5ubject: Fwd: Save #18 From 8ecoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Subject: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
DearMens Club Golfers:
I found out in the past week about the re-design of #18 at the Vail Golf Course. Many of us have been
aware oP tfie voter approved new dubhouse money that came fromthe old conventlon center funds. We
voted to approve that last November. Yay, a new clubhouse! Now that we are back playing golf some of
us have noticed a couple of poster boards showing a new golf design for number 18. The current plan
has shortened the par 5#18 to a par 4 flnishing hole! As we fnquired about it we havebeen toVd byour
friendsonthe REC District Boerd that thegolf hole on 18 wfllgo away in August and it is too late for
tnput6 REALLY? Too late for input would assumewe knew something about it prior to it being too late
fnr input. The Town Council needs our input. 'The Vail REC DiStrictneeds our input The planning
1
7/17/2012
4-7-9
lorelei Donaldson
From: Dale Bugby <dalefromvail@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, Z012 10:54 AM
To: admin@vailrec.com; Council Dist List; Stan Zemler; al(vrdboard@vailrec.com
Subject: fW: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lot!
Oale Bugby
ail Resort Renta/s, Inc.
970-976-0900
www. ailResortRentals, com
Vistar Real Estate, Inc.
970-976-6223
www. ista Rea/Estate,rnm
From: c.arford@comcast.net
To: dalefromvail@hotmail,com
Subject: Re; Save #18 From Becoming an asphalt ParkingLot!
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:23:28 -0600
Dale,
Unforlunately we will be in Denver on Friday. But thank you tor setting up this response to the VRD's plan to tear up #18.
Sincerely,
Craig andSue Arford
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VaN Resart Rentals, Inc.
97-476-0900
www. VailResortRen ials. com
Vistar Rea! Estate; Inc.
970-476-6223
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From: dirwin@slifer.net
To: DaleFromVail(qlHotmail.com
Subject: RE: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphait Parking Lotl
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:19:27 +0000
Vail REC District-
We are against thanging hole #1S at the Vail Golf Course. We do support a new clubhouse, but not
the destrudion of #18.
Dave and Debbie Irwin
Fromi Dale Bugby [mailto:DaleF omVail@Hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday;. ]une 06; 2012 9:29 PM
Tot Bank Bobby; Behler Roger; Benson Jim; Boillot David; Boymer Bob. Connolly Stephen; Cuom Bart;
Dubois Tom; Faessler Johannes;: Fermanls John; FoleyKevin; Forey Dan; Goode Eileen; Goode John;
Gramshammer Pepl; Hall Rob; Hanlon Margaret; Debbfe Irwin; Hitt Farrow B; Hopklns Pam; Inrvirt Dave;.
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Staufer Joe; Stevens Pattf; Taylor Brian; Thiele Path Vail Homeowners Assoaatfon; Wilhelrn Karen;
ZemlerStan
Subject: Fwd: Save #18 FromBecoming an Asphalt Parking Lotl
Subjec t: Save #18From Becoming an /lsphalt Parking LotF
Dear Mens Club Golfers:
T found out In the past week aboutthe re-design of #18 atthe Vail Golf Cours. Many of
us have been aware of the voter approved new clubhouse money that came from theold
convention center funds: We voted toapprove that last November. Yay, a new
clubhouse! Now that we are badc piaying golf some of us have noticed a couple of poster
boards showing a new golf design for number 18. The current plan has shortened the par
5#18 to a par 4 flnfshing holel As we inquired about it wehave been told by our friends
on the REC District 8oard that the golf holeon 18 will go away in August and it is too late
forinput! REALLY? Too late for Input wouid assume we knew something about it prior to
it being too late for input. The Town Councilneeds our input. The Vail RK District needs
our input. The planning departrnent and design review board need our Input. The half a
dozen homes overtooking the 18thgreen need our input. The current plan is to pave over
18 so there is adequate parking for convention space! They don't have enough money
Lorelei Donaldson
From: Dale Bugby <daiefromvail@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June07, 2012 10:56 AM
TQ: admin@vailrec.com; CouncitDist Lis Stan Zemler, allvrdboard@vailrec.com
Subject: This email says it all
DaleBugby
ail Resort Rentals, Inc.
970-976-0900
www, ailResortRentals.com
Vistar Real Estate, Inc.
970-976-6113
www. istan4ealEsbte. com
From: kenw@vail.net
To: dalefromvail@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Save #18 From Becoming an Asphalt Parking Lotl
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:32:53 -0600
Dale,
You need to know that this is not a VRD project. It isa TOV project. The VRD is the tenant, at the golf course and at the
clubhouse.
As tothe 18"' hole, there have been numerouspublic meetings on the redesign of the hole. There is not one board
member "happy' thatthis redesign is necessary to accommodate the new events center and clubhouse.
1 wish you wouldhave taken the time to get your facts'straighY beforesending your email.
Thanks.
Ken Wilson
970-390-1320
Frorn: Dale Bugby [mailto;dalefromvail@hotrnail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June07, 2012 9:24 AM
To: kenw@vail.net
Subject: RE: Save #18 From Becomingan Asphalt Parking Lot!
I'm sorryif I am mis-informed. Thanks for correcting the meeting tlme. I got that time from a VRD Board member. I
also got ail of my informatian from other Board members and the golf staff at the clubhouse. If you can stand behind
your plans, pleasedo so. I don't see the advantage to screwing up 18 for the benefit of parking or catering. You will
destrny over 10 million in property values with your current plan, I don't think you even have that much to spend.
DaleBugby
al/ Resort Renfals, Inc.
970-476-0900
tm w. ailResortRentals com
istar Rea/ Esbte, Inc.
970-47b-6223
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Subjeds . RE: Save. 18 Fran Becoming an ASphaR Parkirg I,ot
Datac Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:47;25 PM
Dear Vail Golf Mens Club,
The YRD Board meets Thunda r ]une 14, at 5' PM at the Town CounciC Chamhers. Be
there. They need. to hear from everyone by emaiF or in person. Soma of your feedback
so far is:
My wlfe anc: i would. botlt prefer #18 to stay t6e sam. Th green is irt tha perfect
place inrelatlon to the.dubhouse and tha outside patio. We would iika ta see an:.
alternativ plan. that leaves #18 in its present form. We are out ot town untit lat
une so pleasa inctude usas part of t e oppositlon to chanye. Regard,
Davi and Mary GoldsteiR
I agree 100%1
7his is Not what th voten approved:
eff Potta
From what you hava sald I am appalied I would ifke toget moro involved to opposa
this defamatlon ot our course:
Phfl Bennett
I agree witfr you canpletelp and strongly disapprove of this dedslonto changs hole
number 18 I also feel that this decision andmany othe recent dedsions such as hole
number 3 which used to b a fun hole for tha women is now boring as hell. These
decis on ara being made without voter approval or inpui in the process. Thanks tor
your emalt
Bob and Malin Zeltman
Yea Dale , I have seen that , but that has been a plan for a while. Don't know what
we can dol!
Paul Sei iman
I don`t re side in Vail, i live in EdwartCs, t ut EuWaiNy a ru:e v r6tt yrr cr. Cdot ure my voic
matters since I don't having votiiy righks, p ut I've liveri in Zvail Valiey fur 30 years.
Owned a mndo in Vail far 10 years before rrtarring down Walley. Changing #18 wil{
diminish the go{f course. White the recent improvements have lmprovedplay at Vail,
changing 18 will be a detrimen SincerelYr
eff Cohen
The i8th at Vait is oae of the better holes khat I have played anywhere. it is a
signature hola that shouldremain a staple on the course: ey shortening the hole we
create a less challenging course, and shorten a aiready short course. The Vail Golf
Club is a staple of summer reveation in our community by eliminating thelong par 5
you weaken the courseand the overal) experience that people enjoywhen they visit-
our valley:
Dougias McAvity
Unfortunately, thl"s sortot reply (it's too late - wc already decidedfo youj has become•
the pattern and pracUca with tfia locai elected The whole conference center funds:
allocaUon process has been a flasco. Th redevelopment ot tha Town Hal1 is a joke. L
wist I coul offer up soma sort of constructive ideas on this one, but 2 don't know
enough (other than there should have beert input requested a long time ago). Sorry I.
won't ba in town tommorrov igh<.
Stephen Connolly .
Dala I agreb witM° you but I am out of towrtc:
Tj Oconner
Save 18i-
Chris Forbes
Unfortunatefy we will be 1n Denver on Frlday. Bu! thank you for setttng up thls.
responsa to the VRD's plan ta tear up #18: Fo thr recoM i naveK thought #18 should
be chanyee#: It make= no sense to me. I think the clubhouse could ba buiR on tfie
same site: It doesn't haw to ba tograndlosa as to change tha course. I agree that
18 Is one ot th hotes that make Vail a really good golt coursa. Wa don't have to tear
everything up in thts valleyi That is my Z cenb worthE Sincerely,
Croiy and Sua Arford! 7
You need to know that this is not a VRD project It is a TOV project The VRD (s the tenan
at the goit course anc at the clubhouse. As to tha 18' hole; there have been numeroua
publtc meetlnga on tha redesign of the hole. There is not one board member "happy" that
this redesign is necessary to accommodate the new evenb centar and clubhous e. I wish•
you would have taken the time to get your facb "straight" before sending your emaEi.
Thanks.
Ken Wilso r
l ale i agree with you.
Huyh Payr e
Vail REC Dfstrict-We are against cha qinghole #18 at the Vaii olfiCourse. We do support
a newciubhouse, but not thedestruction af #18.
Dave and Debbie Irwin
Typical government operation. What they don't know, they don't need to know. We
should stand up and fight thia lYsour right They need more parking anyway and.
paving # 18 isn't how its done. Thank you,
Rob HaIF
Sounds like i need to show up with my sand wedge In hand. I'll be there. Thanks for
the heads up. NextThursday, 7une 14th:
Farrovw HIt6
Thisissue was discussedon. Tuesday at the Town Council meetl'ng: The Council. ha asked:
that wa look at what i: currently proposed for additiooal park(ng and the hole realignmenfiw
that is equired to accommodatethe parking. f will keep you. iniormed as we proceed and
artt willinQ.fq meet with anyone who has interest in this projecC Thb plan ts evolving an
youn, and otlters Input is welcome:. Thanksr
5tan Zemle: •
Wenecd ta ifnd a developer who can desigrr a neva clubhousa with a REC CENTER w/
pool for ou communit:. Ther revenua can be built by selltng membershtps to locals
and day passes to visibor:, U could even include a heaith consclous food outlet to
provid for golfers and siders and rec center usen.. Rightnow tha foo outlat Is
provtding mostlyt tried bar food only. which helps no one after a round: ot golt or nordlc
skitny(if even open in winter)..Loolt. atSinyletree clubhousa as exampla ot Now iYs-
done:.Let the convention center be 6uilt in town where. the buslness' need the trafftc ot
conventlon ers..
Thanks Dale..
7eH Potbo
Thank Go Y d(dn't bug a season passii!!1 I onfy pay to play Wed Men's clubs Not so
when #18 becomes a temporary green 6acfc in the falrway. If Vail Men's League is stili
in the State Inter League come Augus thenwhat7 I'm sura titos who did buy passes
will be gettlng some;; bacic, Yea, right Sounds Ilks politkians beiny steazr as usuat.
Bobcat Steve Thiesere
Thanks tor theinfo, will try to go next Thursday .
WaisK
I think tl e whole icJea stlnks. The newhal wuuld hawe a2U4 yard carry aver the
p nds ir Co th Wrind froen t1 e h fack tees and ba I cat d 6n "'slic r entral"' off of 17. In
aiditian the new gre n wviil be lacated at tha end f the driving range where we
coNist ntiy md ranqe Galis on thafairrray. V"1hy are we rushingfnto cloEng khis instead
of dndi rog a way to Yh9PRCIVE the caurse? WVhy do w a need a wedtling facility at the
golf caurse anyways? Does tfse rec boardhave an aversion to giving us a fuii season
of golf without temporary greens ar construction7 I am not happy about paying 100
more for my pass than I did the last 2 y ars and having a 2 1/Z month seawn of a full
golf course. I am not in favorof their quick fix of making #13 a par 5 as well, 2 par
5's in a row?
Michael Schwartz
Unfortunately I'll be working this evening and wili miss the meetfng...howevec L woulct
neverhave voted tor tha money ta be spent destroying the:l8tk hole had known thls
is what was planned for the Vail' goli club. Eightean is a groatflnishing hoie, along:
with being the best par 5 on the course4E Good. luck and thanks forgettinq thebalt
rolltngt :
Mark Colwelt,
I work for Steven and Robin Chotin whom own a secondhome located at 1835 Sunburst
Drive, Vail:
We are in receipt of your email dated une 6. an appreciate your commu lcadon.
Pleasa ad"thefollowing emall addresses to anX future communlcatlons in this regard':
Wa have been brleted b e various partlea on the new golf course development plan and are.
on board with completa and total oppositton to such a plan.
Thank you,:
Jennifer land On behalf o} Steven andRobin Chotln
Dear 7own of Vail,
The flrst thing you see when coming lnto towrt Is the Vail Golf Course. It haa besn around
almost a lony as tha town and is a sym6ol of Vail in the summer. Throughout the years
wehave improved the cou and ln tum fmproved tha towR To destroy part oi thls•
hlstory is taking a step backwards and is bad foF tha town and iYs image. The rnst ot
destroytng tha golf wurse (3/4 rnilllon dollars7Y shoufd. be able to cover a split level wel)
landscaped parktng area. There isampla spaca for the new dub house and any area to be
dfsturbed should be to tha dNving. range side of the exisNng club house, whlch would
provide a bettervlew of the Gore Ranga. Ta pava over part of the history of Vail ts a big
mistake and I think there aro better solutlons then destroying one of the greatest yolf
holeson the oourse. Sincarely;
Todd Hataml
Vail resident since 1979
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Subject: The Feedbadt Is Conslstertt and Stllt Cantng In. We didn"t know about Itand we don"t wanE ftl
Dater Thursday, ]une 14, 2012 8:20:SQ Ah4
I am oppos d to #18 b coming a parking lot. Aithough t am not a vot r, 1 can
cfearly se that. ths pla r; 2• 1
pros t d to th. voters ts not th• plan w ar nowsseing,.
Trudy Howr.
You can pass my;nam along aa not in tavoe o mon park(nglo
Thanka;. ,rcj'
G ordy Ogden
Perhapa yoa could s nd w th• plart. 1 would Iik tu s exactly what is planned..
Thanks
Ly n C: 6ottll i
1'm glad 1 found out sbout this. 20 y ars I'v b n plsytng th vail coura ,andto
mess up ( ruin ) hol 18....why? it's reaily on• of two tru S para on th cours. ,
don't lurn it into a parking. lot. What's n xt... turnin9 th Gon Rang into a ',
parking structur T Sav th• 18th sav th• 18th sav th 18th1!!!!
Scott Savag 20 yeu rssid n
To whom it may conc rn.
1 hav b na part tirrN r sid nt oi Vail sinc 1988, hav workN# at thf
goK coun and conttnus to play lt av ry surnm r. 1 oppos d stroying
on of th top hoi s on th coun ior a dubious, at b st, construction
project d ctd d on by pwpl who (1'm gu ssing) don't w n play ths \
cours. Golf and xc il nc• of th cours should b• ths hlgh st. , V
priorlty ot th VRD, ancillary s rvices and am nitiss MUST tak a back
soat toth primary purpos oi th• cours, which is th gam oi Golfl1
EricTaylor
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oursn. It haa t n around almast as long as t er town nd i a yrnba) t f Vail in BBse
a rmnn+or. 'Throughout th a years w a have irrspra v d the cu carse z d in iur t im roved
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the towvn and it' image. T a cost of destr oying he o9f co ur e {31 4 rnil ion iai9ars?}
should be able to cover a split level well tandscapedparking ar a. Thereis arriple
space far the now club house and any area to be dfsturbed shouid 6e to the driving
rango side o/ th• existing club house, which would provide a better viewof ths Gore
Range. To pavs over part of th• history of Vaii Is a big rnistaka and 1 think thers are
better solutlons then destroying ono oi th• greatest golf holes on ths course.
Sincerety,
Todd Hataml
Vafl resident sincs 1979
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Vail Resort Rentals, Inc
97Q-476-0904
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Subject: I hope you can all plan ta attendtonightsmeeting. Here are sorne more comments
fram those who can't
I am against the changeto the18th hole, I like the work they are doing on the course to better play but I think
18 is a great finishing hole. I arn working but will join the meeting when I can.
RodneyJohnson
I havebeen living in the valley for ZS years and havebeen a pass holder at the Vail Goif course for 18 years. I totally
oppose making # 18 a parking lot and that the new T boxes are on the other side of the pond on 17 be the new T boxes
for # 18. In vaii where everparking is needed, like at all the new buildings in vail, a parking structu e under the buiiding
has worked greaC . Please do noh destroy one of the best flnishing hole in the vail valley ! t
Paul Seidman
We hate the idea of changing #18: IYs a wonderful hole and a beautiful way to flnish up a goif round. We love the Vail
course and this wouid be a real loss to the course. The goal should be a fine golf course; nah a mecca. for event planners.
Robin and Ken Guerry
How wilt driving rangebe affected? Balls now land where "new green" Would be:.. Safety! 1 Also let's see the
entire back 9 reconfiguration they have plannedl Not a very OPENboard! That can be changedl!!
osusja@aol .
You're right, this is a great finishing hole and we'd hate to see it destroyed:.Thanks for taktng ort thfs ffght..,...,it sounds-
likethe Town is trying to pult a fast one:
Charife and Ginny Crowley
I am opposed to #18 becoming aparking lot. Although I am not a voter, I can clearly see that the plan presented to the
voters is notthe plan we are now seeing.
Trudy Howe
You can pass my name along as not in favor of moreparkinglot.
Thanks,
GeordyOgden
Dale Bugby
I/ail Resort Rentals, Inc.
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Dear V il Council Mcn bct :
I'l is ye,n• martcs my t0` ;iriniversae y ;is 1 Voiil resideiit. llurin; tli:t ti ue I l ave l acl
the opportunity tu be men ber of n niunbei• of"I'OV boards for ovcr severnl
ciccxdes, iucludiug DRI3 .s i member and later as Cl aii'iri11I1 nd thc 1'CC.
Cousec uently I ut somc vfuit atvsu•c liow theprocess worlcs nncl ivherc it fiiils. These
positionswereappoi tteclnnci 1 tried to b;scd most of' iuy decisions on vhat vns uot
ouly best foi• the 1'o vn, but also vh t benefited the Itnn e:owners as vhole.
TI ere .re b sic ll,y i o major uid nn cl intercun ected engiues driviu; our local
ecoi omy: 'Thc Slci Nlountain ;uicl ttie relltect taurisu uicli c:ii est.ite.
As I s;t ou the "bu•e:iucratic" side of the table, I uoticect onc nuijor incquality of
oiu• system and that vas the lacic of represe it.tiou t'o• tlie seeonct hame ow»e•.
Although they aw t tlte m jority af ttteliomes ud couclomini n s vitl in oiu• tovn,
thcy c;n i ot vote, uor clucs thc Town givethem adequlte nutice of issttes which
might ffect tiieni other t1 1 i ratEiet• c yptic memos wtiich re tis ally disc irdect or
iiot eveu i•eceived by tl e t ui ieotiv ier.
The currentgolf club n•oposal is au exceileut czse inpoint. Reportedly viu•iotts
cievelopmeut In•o osals 1 1 e been stiulied over tl e l st fe v ye rs, perl aps ut staif
Icvel :u d/or in couueclion }vith tlie VI213 ntembcrs or otlters. Iu ,uy event tl ere v.s
n election I st f:ll wl ic}i succcssfully alto ved tl e muc)i disputed co tfei•e ice tas
funds to be useci for certain improven euts vithin the totivn. Even thou[i the secoud
Lomcowner vas cxch dect fro n tliis i•ocess, f1 y »z y cvcn h4 ve votc<t positively for
sudt a seeminglybenign pro osal.
L;ist munth s zoniug cli.tnge v:s brouglit before the PL,C nnder tl e bi•o.td brusl
stsite ciait ofxIluwitig greater flexibility. Tliei•e w;s liltle cletail i i the zoaii ig rec uest,
especially in tecros of the elub hot se design. Some of PCC c uestioned N is lacic of
specifics :nc! voted glinst tl e 4-3 outcome. As council members, sau c af you all
nucstioucd tlic l:tcic of detiiils, pi ior to votin G-1 in the first rc:ding. Thc sccoucl
rc ciing is scheduled fo' UI1C II' :Ip(I \YII1G t 1•eportcdly S ill bc tablediu ti! yoiu•
July 3rd nicetitzg and tivith mand te for niore collateral iiifoi•m;tio t s iid det.il.
TI e uif conununit I s conic out seemingly wi nimously ag i»st tl e desi n of
sliorteni ig the 18"' hule :i id repl ici i the green «'1tI1 A l lcing tot. The Sunbu st
Drivc »cigliborltood h.is s lsu voiced the tuigely neg;tive impact of tlicsc pcoposed
cl angcs, uot to mention thc concci'US OVCY filC i1lRtiri TCI11Cllf lll( 0)Ci'R11011 Of tltlAl
com entionhveddiug/event ve uie. 7'his l:ittcr g oup teiuls to be tt vl isper in the
vitderness with i o E resent.ition excej i vhen they are focused to ture le;al co u cil.
1'hc vindf ll uf the confercnce tax fuucis siiuuld be coiisicter iuthe context of ;
benefit for all of tl e conunwiity, especis lly for thosc ici hbors most affectecl by auy
changc.
I nm certainly IlOt J3IlI1tI ;tS TO tI1C CCOIl0Ill1CCll llcu;es ve :I1 face. Givei the success
of thc llnnov»u P.iviliou, it is iuulerstandablewhyother evCtlf IOC.IHOIIS R ould be
souglit, Hotivever I h•ust the "1'o vn's dvisory grouE has f ctored in coni cting
veuucs wLich tu•e or vil( beco ning on line, sucl as VR's ncw on uio uitain f cility
soon tt hcscrviccct by .> >ie v st:ite of tl c art oitidol, aud tl c [+our Sef sous Resort.
Aildition.lly c nc s(iould not ovcr luolccd tlie disit,l tracic eecurd oi' p:st clul. Itouse
oper;tfions, all of whiclt c n not be blamed nccessarily cn the i f'rs struchu•e ur the
oper.tor.
The current golf ctub honse 1i d associatc l parltin represents is a vcry tyl ical,
introvcrt dcsigu. Onc vhicli blltantiy rcvenls . uuch studicct pr rkii g, traffic flow,
bus access and e en trasit enclosures, l o vever without even ;i final dccisiou as to
whether to rem ciel or re-builcl the elub l ouse. A part from tlie golfers, the one
rcrosoned party in :11 tltis conversation secrosto be tiic Suuburst Dri e liomeowucrs,
tltosc bciug tl e inost iuip;ctcd flnduiust descrviug the most .tttcution .is to prutect
tl e e iviroiunei t, :uid ycs, tlieir pi•opei•ty v ilucs.
A zoning ch;utge tc Get ecal Use tivitliottt e refull,y ttiougltt outcouditions is :ilso
very problematic fo• tliese individi als. Such zoiiiug voulcl teclu icnlly allow m u,y
cven n oi•c oneraus uses which ,nothcr less thou litfl 1 Cu uicit than you n ight
co iside•.
Plcase slow tLis prucess do v i. Show so i c comp:issinn .it1CI llll(ICl'St111(I1[i; f0 II109C
wlto l s veuu'TOV represents tion or voice. Coi tiniie ta foster t first c11ss esperiencc
foi• fill; andmost cert inly, do not bite tl c li.iu l tli:t f'eeds yuu; ye:r ufter yesu• after
yc tr.
Ylc se remcmber ,yon t eprescut thc "To vu as the lancto vucr, applic nt, the rulc
chsinger, the aciministcr, tl c builcting ;uid projcct oversec•, a nd the eventual
complex management — a rather clauuting positiou and utietivhich necds to sl o v an
esa itple of exceedin ly c.lreful, tho ightfu( nd comj ssionate .itte itio i.
Rcspcctfully sub iiitted,
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Tammy Nagel
From: Dale Bugby <dalefromvaii@hotmail.com>
5 ent: Frida}, )une 15, 2012 11:30 A141
Try: ft;ke Ortiz; K,.en'vVilson C ntact; 1ue flanlon Contact; Jeff Wiles Contact; Rick Sackbauer
C ntact; Cotncil [ist List; Stan emler, CammDi:kv; h 4att h1ire; George Ruther, Bil!
Gibson; biHjsu r?zCmsn.com
Subj ct: f-inger Painting
Now that members of the VRD have expressed they never wanted to pave over #18 you have to wonder why this is
happening? When I taiked to the VRD they blamed the planning department for requiring the parking. When I met with
Bill Gibson of planning he said there is no parking, requirement on golf facilities, from pianning or current zoning, but "the
PEC wiN be responsible for setting the parking requlrement." I haven't met with the members of the PEC but I'm sure
they wiil blame the Town Council for adding too much "multi use community space." I did meet with members of the
Town Councit and the Town Manager and they need to avoid using the excuse that thevoters wanted this. Theballot
mandatedid not includeany particulac square footage of "mui use community space" and you guys wrote the ballot
language. No where did that bal(ot, language include paving #18 or adding X square feet of communiry spac: Stop the.
insanftyandtake. a position nov that #18' is no longer onthe choppingblock: As soon as: we see everyone stand up and
be counted on this; we can go back to building an imProvedctubhouse including some amount of "multi use community
space." Everyone including the neighbors will support that.. It's the right th(ng to d:
FYI ;
Ballot Ouestiorr Nc.. Y
Withou increasing taxes, shall the Town of. Vail use the remainder of the one and one-half percentlodging tax revenues
and one-haif percent sales tax revenues coliected from 7anuary 1; Z003 through DecembeF 3i,, 2005 to fundthe followfng
projects that will promote recreatfon, promotetourism and support the economK in the Town of. Vail.
Expansion and improvement of the clubhouse at the Vait Golf Course and Nord(c Center; indud(ng multi=use community
space;:: . . .
Field' expansfon and restroom renovaGon' at the Ford Park SportsComplex; and `
Ford AmphitheateE tmprovements, includfng outdoor seating, and restroom improvementsT
Yes 80I No 122; ,
Da/e Bugby
ai! Resort Rentals, Inc.
970-476-090Q:
www. ailResortRenta/s com
istar Rea/ Estate; Inc
970-476-6223
www. VisbrRealEstate. mi»
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billsuarezCc msn.com; towncounciiCc vailgov.com; szemlerCalvailyov.com: commdev(alvaiiqpv.com: mmireCc vailgov.com;
g utherCa>vailgov.com; bsonCa vailgov.com
Subject: I hope you can all plan to attend tonights meetlng. Here are some more comments from those who can't
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:17:35 -0600
I am against thechange to the 18th hole, I like the work they are doing on the course to better playbut I think
18 is a great finishing hole. I am working but will join the meeting when I can.
Rodney Johnson
Tammy Nagel
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ArthurAbplanalp <Art@AbplanalpLa nroffice.com>
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:44 PM
ill Gibson
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Golf Course Subdivision and Zane District Amendment
As you know, I havebeen engaged to represent one of the owners of propertyadjoining the part of the Vail golf course
which was recently subdivided andwhich is up forconsideration to be changedfrom the OutdoorRecreation to the
General Use zone district. i understand that you are the member of theDepartmentof Communiry Development to whom
this project is assigned.
For reasons thatMatt Mire can explain to you, I must state that whatfoliows is an effort to resolve a matter which may (but
which we hopewill not) evolve into litigation, and, for that reason, its contents areprotected by Rule 408 of the Colorado
Rules of Evidence and may not beused in any proceeding without the express writtenpermission of the client of this
office.
This communication mayfallon deaf ears, but I hope thaYs notthe case. The Councitwill be engaging in a work session
this afternoon; and I hope that the message I'm trying to pass on can come before therrr during those discussions.
There seems to be little question that the golf course clubhouse should be dramatically remodeledif not reconstructed
and that thiswas one of the three targeE areas for expenditure ofconvention center funds recentlyapproved by the
electorate. Whether the elimination of the.18th green and a good part of the 18th fairway was clearly approved is less
clear. In any event, the bestinformatlonwe have is that the golfing community objects to the latteF part of the current.
program; the Vail Recreation District Boarddoesnot suppo t it; and the neighboringproperty owners are vehemently
opposed to thatlatter part of the plan: .
It seems certain tha! this p(a i; ifit proceeds, is bound for a longand arduous battle-
Rather thanengaging in that battle; it seems appropriate to shiftdirectlon as early as possible, in order that as little time
may be los.f aspossible: The Town apparentty is currentlybeing driveR toward the proposed change in zone district
boundaries largely by the propertyboundaryestablished by the subdivisionplat which was approved by the PEC on the `
14th of May. The flrst step in redirection is to modify that subdlvisionplat in such a way that the parcel includes no
property relating to the 18th fairway and 18th green - perhaps creating theparcel line some distance north of the golf cart
path on the north side of the 18th green. Upon approval of thaf modifiedplat and a continuance of the hearing of the zone
district amendment until the newplat is in place, thezone dlstrict amendment couldthen proceed based upon that new
plat, leaving the 18th faicway and the 18th green in the OR zonedistrict, satisfying the golfing community, permitting the
VRD and the Townto proceed expeditiously with the work on the clubhouse; and providing the stability in zoning to which
the neighboring property owners are entitled:.
We hope that theCouncil willrecognize that we are attemptingto work toward a common goal here, and that the direction
suggested above is in the bestinterests of all concemed. If anyone hasany questions, he/she may contact me.
Sincerely,
Art Abplanalp
Law O ce of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado 81658
970.476.6500
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Lorelei Donaldson
From: Todd Hatami <todd@ridenl.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June Z0, 2012 3:38 PM
To: Council Dist List
SubJect: Vail Golf Clubhouse / lSth hole
Dear Town Council,
i believe there is enough room on theexisting site for the new clubhouse/events center andparking. We do not need
to spen mi on o ars o es ro e o course w ich we ave een t in to im rove for the ast y .
t a money or a split level parking structure.
Thank you,
Todd Hatami
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7ammy PJagel
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From: Pam Brandmeyer
nt: Thursday, June 1, 2a12 11:13 r,v1
c; h like Ortiz; Geurge R.uther, Bill Gii san
ubject: F'tiN: Golf caurse projer_t
Collective council e-mail. . .
From: Eric Taylor [mailto:etaylorCa jjet.coml
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:45 PM
To: Council Dist List
Cc: adminCa vailrec.com
bject: Golf course project
whom it mayconcern:
I have been and continue to be a part time resident of Vail (4-6 months/yr). i hold a ski passand play the Vaif course 10-
15 times a year. i vehemently oppose the shortening orchangingofthe 18th hole to accommadate a parking area or
clubhouse expansion. Small changescould be acceptable. It is a great finishing hole, easily viewable from the patio area
or clubhouse which enhances the Men's club experience as well as the playing experience for all guests.
I submit to you to work with the peoplewhoplav thecourse and not just consultantslarchitects/construction people when
you evaluate the changes, if any, tobe made to the course. There is plentyof dead space available for
expansion/improvement.
Sincerely,
Eric Taylor ,,;.r
Tamm Na el
From: am Brandmeyer
Sent: Tliursday, 1 r e 2, <012 11:I0 Afv1
Gearge Ru#h r, Bifl Gibson; P tike artiz
ubjeex: F'v'V: the 18thhole
Collective Council e-mail. , .
From: TJ Conners [mailto storaaeC vail netl
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 012 6:10 PM
o: Council Dist List
Subject: the 18th hole
Hello — much has been said about the 18thhole but here are a few you have not heard. Vail's 18th is not only
the most beautiful in the Vail Valley, it is also the most beautiful 18th hofe in theentire State.
Additionally , to quote our beloved BethSlifer," Vail is about the quality of the experience" and taking away a
Valley treasure for a parking lot would seem to denigrate that veryexperience. And finally, Council if you really
need parking that bad, put some fee simple condos on top ofthe clubhouse and buildunderground parking —
after al) you own the land and you can damn wefl zone it anywayyou want. T.1
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Original Message-----
From: sandra chapman (maiito:scchapCa comcast.netj
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:45 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Town Council Hearing July 3, 2012 of the ZoneDistrict Amendment --Vail Golf Course
V iil 'I,ti i Cc u.t cil lembers;
1'e }t4 vt:, be;:r a,.n:r5 crf property .:icijacet tto the 18`' reen c f the Vail Golf Caurr e since
1;9i. 'c? .inc:3r r-st nd 1h,:it it i5 the subj et oFthe currentpraceeding ta change the zone
c3i trict ::f that Tc}rc n ,arcel from the r-l.ittic7or Recreati n zone district to the General U e
at e di;tric-t, E`, i ppose this ch ul;c. Our f'Emily 7urchased this home ith the
understanding and the a surance that our propert and the surroundin s would always
remain zoned D.R. and a green area. This was entirely logical considering the Iong
history of the Vail golf course and the importance af the golf course (particularly the 18`h
hole in its current configuration) to the attraction of Vail as recreational destination
during the surnmer months. The current zoning, `vhich was designed to assure the
community of the perpetuity of that use and has been relied uponby the neighborhood as
a whole, is essential for our neighborhood well being and our property values. We
believe there is NO legitimate or justifiable reason tochange thiszoning.
We highly value our ability to sit on our deck and enjoy mountainviewsin peace and
quiet. Our use of this property would be severely hampered with a parking lot and a
possible "events center" 50-70 feet from our deck. There will bean inerease in noise,
changes made to the natural environment, and security issues that we would have to deal
with- how would you like that? Any other uses permitted in a General Use zoning area
are equally distressing.
Again, we strongly protest a change from Outdoor Recreation Use to General Use
zoning for the property adjacentto the 18th green! There is no justification for a change
there-----we would approve of and enjoy the remodeling of the Clubhouse and change in
zone district under the current footprint of that redevelopment project.
For these reasons, we are convinced that the currentproposal for conversion of property
from the Outdoor Recreation zone district to the GeneralUse zone district should be
denied.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter,
SandyandLee Chapman
June 25, 2012
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From: Debby Webster [mailto;debby,websterCa gmail,coml
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:28AM
To: Councii Dist List
Subject: golf clubhouse parking area zoningchange
Dear Town Council Members,
Attached is a letter from my husband and myself regarding the proposed change in the zone district of the golf
course clubhouse and a portion of the 18th hole of the golf course from Outdoor Recreation toGeneral Use. I
would appreciate yourreading it and giving it serious consideration.
Sincerely,
Deborah Webster
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To; h',y or Andy Daly, 1 afor Pro-tey Ludwra Kurc, and Tov.•n ouncil tiernbers
it:m; Donovan, Kevin Fuley, Greo loffct; 1 1ar,aret P,ogers 3nd Susie T r_,ssem
e'r ,v'itir a tp nppr,e ihe !rG osed .ornng rhar.e of th V:,11 G.df l:i hhc_ise
ar•:;n. r r .r:>a r; r,rri Giii.ducr F:-creatiun I:o Genf>r al U:a. Gur ;roperty is one
of th se :ha: adjoins the area .rhic-: is ro be cham,r to c;neral Use. I I-a+
f!2C ih15 lfO cfCy fOf 3 V8n/ iG7'. "1t1'2 - S1fiCe I''7Q1. I h3Vt' f?i2d on :he
Tc.ti n r f 'iail :o recegnize the imFortance of _hz'v'zi: 5olf course to bc;th the
eccromy o` Vail and to he nei hborhood in wnich it is tocated, and a chan e
rrom [e current Outdoor P,ecreation zone district would violate every standa d
obe used by the Town Councit in deciding Nhether wch a chanae should
ccur. Such a change would be an abuse of the authority entrusced to the
Councit by those of us who live in this neighborhood full-time as well as those
who have invested in this area with the expectation of enjoyin; peace and
beauty in their homeaway from home.
We whoteheartedly support the expansion and improvement of the dubhouse.
A facelift is tong overdue and will be a benefit to both the Recreation District
and the Town of Vail. At the moment the structure is an eyesore when it should
be a world-ctass resort amenity,
Battot Question No. 1 which passed last fall makes reference tomul[i-use
community space at the clubhouse. That proposal has meant different thin5s
to different peopte, asis illustrated by the various alternatives for the
clubhouse project. It makes na reference to moving the 18`h green, shortening
the fairway, paving over the area ofthe present green for additionatparking or
hotding outdoor events such as wedding receptions, concerts, etC.. The
questfon on the ballot had basically one over-riding alternative - didthe voters
wish to spend the lodging tax on improvements to Vail or did they prefer to
return that money, in some uncertain fashion, to the visitors who paid it. The
question wasn't what [he money shouldbe spent on, but rather whether it
should be given back. No rational voterwould have voted against it, regardless
of the uncertain purpose for which the money was to be used.
The area under consideration for this proposed zone district amendment is
bordered on two sides by residentiat areas. All of us who live in that area paid
a premium for real estate that's dose to a golf course. In our case, and the
case of [he ownersof the other first four lots along the north side of Sunburst
Drive, wepaid an evenbigger premium to be contiguous with the fairway with
a fineview of the green. That green being replaced with asphalt, no matter
how well buffered with vegetation, will adversely affect our investment in our
home. Since our house is currently on the market, the uncertainty about this
project has already affectedour ability tosell and will have a direct bearing on
the sales price should we receive an offer before this matter is settled once
and forall.
Cr10U i1 CUI" 7f1f1C1(J<li concern is :he `:?Ct Ch2t ihQ USES t^tI11C11 -o^'OU f I"eSU
trorn te u an e in =oniiik vrould des ruyth? au lit; of lif Fiici we have
rperienceC ard o n:iru=_ t.p e,: :°rien:° t C.:r resvrn;e. _r,.r C i Cern :vith th
Y'.-1..7i? ?G 3'.f':I"d: E 7011`Ilf ly Ili1t 'Gll:.l(ji.Q "..Ie 1f'.C C: p' r C DfO JGS:'ij
es or ::ur l:es , he ra: t that t.°'vatue of otir real rstaP.e vri'l d; op
ir maticall; if a ark'n; lo is st.ibs:t.t«d fr- rl e c.uren 1' ?r2 n. 't's a;l;o
L_:t m,r d fi.re t use; `cr t, :r ea cni.ld Le , lhnr ed y a r_onc itior, i e
permik. T"ose possibte ues `r:clude a parkino str.:cture, a transportatie i
terminal, a cc-ncert sh il, a convention facility or even a helipad or o:^ater anc
sewage treatment facility. 5ince the Town or Vait wouid be ooth the
ownerlapolicant and the governmental a;ency considering the appl cation for a
new use, there would be no checks or balances on proposed uses. A ext
amendment coutd also make additional uses possible if the Council were to add
a proposed use to the conditional uses already permitted in theGeneral Use
zone district.
ifthe new zoning were to be passed and activities such as weddings and/or
concerts were totakeptacein the outdoor space, it woutd be impossible to
prevent impac.ts on the adjoining properties, even if there were strict
regulations in place to control thenoise. The Town could not effectively
con[rol noise and other impacts of an event in pro ress. Even now, we can
already be in bed in theevening and feel the beat of music that's being played
inside the golf clubhouse for wedding receptions. We can hardly imagine how
much worse it would be with an outdoor event. This is a residential area, after
alt. It reatty wouldn't be appropriate for residents to be drivenout of their own
hornesby the noise at ten, eteven or midnight.
Among the criteriato be considered in your deciding whether to approve a
proposed zone district amendment is, "That the amendment is compatible with
and suitable to adjacent uses and appropriate for the surrounding areas". In
this case, we are convinced that the uses allowed under the General Use
category are not appropriate for a residential neighborhood, and no number of
ronditions can correct the problems that would resultfrom those activities.
We hope tha[ the TownCouncil witl give serious thought to our objections and
we urge that the Council deny the proposed zone district amendment.
Sincerety,
Deborah Webster and Stephen [ilanchard
1825 Sunburst rive, Vail
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I to agree hole 18 should be left alone. Its our b t par 5 f y far and a gr at
flnishinghole. I don't t efieve there is any r e d for mor parking. Is it necessary
withour season being our season isso short?
and in my eight seasons as a member i have never seen very much revenue brought
in by the restaurant/ ( weddings)
TomLudwig
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Tammy Nagel
rom: Pam Brandmeyer
Sent: Tuesday,lure o, LOIG .19 P b i
70: Bill Gibson; Greg Hail; Gearge Ruther; rft tt rni e
SuE ject: FW: `Jail Golf Course i ning
Coliective Council e-mail. , .
From: Glenn Hil(iard [mailto:rglennhilliard@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, Z012 3:11 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Vail Golf Course Zoning
To: Mayor Andy Daly
Mayor Pro-tem Ludwig Kurz
Town Council Members:
Kerry Donovan
Kevin Foley
Greg Moffet
Margaret Rogers
Susie Tjossem
Subject: Vail Golf Course Zoning
Dear Town of Vail Council Members:
We write on behalf of the family of Heather and Glenn Hilliard, (my name is Glenn Hilliard) our
family's Vail home is located at 1801 A Sunburst Drive. Fromour deck and main living areas we look straight
at the 18`h hole and theclubhouse of the Vail Golf Club. Wehave ownedthis home since 1999 and prior to
buying this home we owned a town home at Riverbend in East Vail.
Our Sunburst Drive residence, like several other residences on our street, is adjacentto the parcel owned
by the Town of Vail, which is the subject of the cunent proceeding to change thezone district designation of
that Town parcel from the Outdoor Recreation (OR) zone district to the GeneralUse (GU) zone district. We
have long relied on the prospective use of the Town's property for outdoor recreational uses, and maintenance
of the current zoning is tied to that expectation. The uses permitted in the GU zone district are incompatible
with the residential use of adjoining property and would destroyour family's ability to use our property and the
value of that property, and we must protest the proposed change in zone district designation. We strongly
oppose this change in zoning. There is no justification for changing the zone district designation for the
property on which the 18`h hole is located, and those of us who adjoin the Town parcel are, to the best of our
knowledge, unanimous in our opposition to this proposal.
Forwork reasons we now reside in Atlanta, but Vail is really the place our entire family gathers and
feels at horne. For 19 of the past 20 years we have all spent Christmas together in Vail as well as getting to Vail
as often as possible the rest of the year. We love Vail and we love ourhome in Vail.
We selected this home because it was close to the Town of Vail but also because it represents and is
surrounded both front and backby open space and recreational areas, On the southside isthe Thite River
National Forest and the bike path along Sunburst, and on the north we look directly at the 18`h green of the Vail
Golf Course. V hil few af us are actually golfers, «e enjoy sitting inour living roam arta ur on our deckand
atching the camaraderie and a rnpetiti n an tite 15`' ,;reen. This Y;Ireeri s ace and 7ol.f c«urs vista and tasac;e
is very' itiiportant to hetp presen e the sanctuary ot otir homc, vlYich 4'ail, as a<<hc 3e, lsc s.ri Fers cj ar fazt7.ily :md
those f us ho nust cieal oii a re zlar basis «ith busine.ss ives vl7ich requu-e us to li; tnuch of our time in
other lo ations araund the vorld. Over theyears, we t ave i.nveste i hea ily in in:rc v,rnents to a ur E i7rne iE1 the.
belief that the open space sanctuary and recreationalamenities surrounding us e-ould be rer>erved.
While only a few of our family members are active golfers, we have hit balls on the driving range, eaten
at the golf clubhouse many times over theyears, cross country skied in the winter and our middle daughter's
wedding rehearsal party was held in the golf clubhouse in January of 2000. We also work to be good citizens
and stewards of Vail. Over the years we have shown our commitment to the Vail community in many ways
including significantcontributions to the Vail Valley Medical Center, the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Team
Foundation, the Vail Valley Foundation, the Vail Interfaith Chapel and the Eagle County Land Trust among
others.
We agree with council membersthat the clubhouseshould be dramatically improved and updated, and
we also agree that the clubhouseabsolutely canand should stay in the area where it is eurrently located and that
cunent parking on location and that which is easily accessible by public transportation is more than adequate
for current and future use of the clubhouse and course. Where wemay differ is that we strongly believethat the
currently proposed zoning change should be limited to the area required for updating the building. Changing
only the building area zoningto GU and keeping the 18`t` green area zoned as OR will help provide long-term
protection to the golf course and particularly to the 18`h hole and green. No change to the zoning south of the
clubhouse is justified. Speaking as someone who has actually participated in a daughter's wedding rehearsal
dinner at the clubhouse, we assure you that current parking is more than dequate for this type activity and for
all other potential uses. For our wedding reception the guests stayed at the So enalp and used the very good
Vail bus system tobe safely, warmly and soberly transported to and from therehearsal party.
We supportthe change in the zoning from OR to GU for only that portion of the property which is
required for the clubhouserenovations, and to accomplish this will require a change in the plat previously
approved by the Town. We also believethat the change in the plat canbe accomplished and still allow zoning
and construction on the clubhouse to be kept on your schedule. We further verystrongly believe that it is
irnportant to complete this project in a way which is environmentally and recreationally friendly. To
accomplish these goals in an environmentally and recreationally friendly manner will require a subdivision plat
which isdifferentfrom the one which was approved by the Town in May. The subdivisionplat should be
modified so that the "new lot" is only that property north of the current golf cart path (perhaps the north half of
the newly created lot), leaving the 18' fairway and the 1 S` green (roughly the south half of the lot) in the OR
zone district. The Town needs only the northern part of the newly configured lot for the clubhouse project, but
gettingthat conect description does require that the subdivision plat be redrawn and approved in new form by
the Platuiing Commission in advance of the adoption of the ordinance amendingthe zone district, which
apparently must be based upon the lot upon which construction is to occur.
Most of you seem to be clearly supportive of keeping the 18`h hole and green as currently designed, and
that can beaccomplished while appropriately remodeling the clubhouse within a more tightly defined and
appropriate GU zone district. We emphasize the danger to the adjoining property owners, thegolfers and the
users of the area around the 18`
h green. That threat isthe fact thatchanging the underlying zoning of the 18`h
green area from OR to GU as it is currently planned and platted will allow any future council to eliminate or
changethe use of the 18th hole with little or no inputor protection for the neighborhood, the home owners, the
golfers or our beloved Vail community. Once again, based upon our personal esperience, no additional parking
is required at this site and public transportation is a sate, econ.omical and en iron nentally friendly way to
aeeommadate all our utpc ses. Che updateto the ol.alahou.e can anci houlcl be accompl slzed on your tirnetable
vith a rnore car fiilly and tichtly drawn subdi i5ion pE t, a l i tri [ 8` h+31 ar.d green t.aii l w E rotecteci vith a
antiiwation c f its current OR zonin.
Please help us preserE e this ii lportacit open rc.reational s ace in Vait by r dra ing the ubdivision plat
in a vay vhich gives the Torvn the ability to accomplish its club l;oti se renovatiun objectives onschedute but
tivhich does itin a way vhich helps protect our valuable open space and the 13`
h een from current and future
development, and which limits the area changed to the GU zone district to the area actually required for the
clubhouse expansion.
Thank you very much for your consideration of our concerns and this suggested approach.
Glenn & Heather Hilliard
1301-A Sunburst Drive, Vail
Tammy Nagel p
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Prom: ArthurAbplanalp fmailto Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.coml
Sent: Wednesday, )une 27, Z012 2:02 PM
To: Council Dist List
Cc: Matt Mire; Greg Hall; Bill Gibson; George Ruther; Warren Campbell; LoreleiDonaldson
Subject: Vaii golf course zone district amendment
Members of the Council:
Please find attached to this e-mail a submittal for your consideration relatedto the proposed Vail
golf course district amendment which is pending before the Council.
Although we understand that the public hearing originally scheduled for the 3rd of July will be
continued, we also understand that the Council will be taking public comment on thequestion of
whether the zone district should be approvedor, if reconsidered, the direction to be taken. That
being the case, it seems appropriateto enable you to review the concerns of the Sunburst drivepropertyownersadjacenttotheparcelwhichisthesubjectoftheproceeding. This analysisisintendedtoidentifythoseconcemswithoutgettingintothedetailwhichmightberequiredfor the
actual public hearing, should that occur. If we are in error in our understanding that the public
hearing and second reading of the related ordinance vill be continued from the 3rd of July, we do
requestthat someone advise me of that fact.
We hope that the attached review of the pendingproposal will be of benefit to you and that we may
havethe opportunity to work with the Town's staff in order to satisfy the Town's needs related to
the clubhouseexpansion while protecting the rights and expectations of the neighboring property
owners and the integrity of the 18th hole of the Vail golf course.
We thank you foryour consideration of theconcerns which are being expressed.
Respectfully,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado 81658
9'70.976.6500
Jail Valley,
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ti'arner f'YOfessional Building 2
Post Oftice Bax 28)0
Vail, Cotorado 8165&2800
Tzleph one: 970.476.6500
Teleco pier: 970.476.4765
Town Council
1'own of Vail
Vail, Colorado
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27 June 2012
ProposedZone District Amendment, Vail Golf Course
Members af the Council:
Eart Collins
Suite 260
Historic Miller Block
11 Old Town Square
Fort Collins, Colorado 8052d
Telepha n e: 470.482.6900
Telecopie r: 970.482.6905
1'his Office has beenengaged by the Glenn Hilliard, the owner of a residence at 1815-A
Sunburst Drive, Vail, in association with the proposalbefore the Town of Vail to changethe
zone district designation of and destroy the 18th green and part of the 18th fairway of the Vail
Golf Course. Mr. Hilliard's property and residence adjoin the property which is proposed for ihe
zone district amendment. I also am authorized to state that other residents of Sunburst Drive
who are owners and/or residents of properties adjacent to thethreatened area join in Mr.
Hilliard's positions and in the positions taken in this letter, and I will provide the names of those
other owners and residents at the time of the hearing on this proposal.
It should be noted that thiscommunication is somewhat abbreviated with referenceto the
rcasons the proposed zone district amendment should be disapproved by the Council because of
two considerations: (a) it is our understanding that, while the Council will take comments from
the public on the proposal during its meetings onthe 3rd of July, the actual public hearing and
second reading of theordinance which deals with the proposal will be continued until a later
date; and (b) the Council has enough before it to confirm the need to delay action and modify this
proposal (at the very least) without beingrequired to deal with the wide gamut of probtems with
this proposal when a resolution of those problems may be identified.
Against this background, please be advised that Mr. Hilliard, as well as many other
residents and property owners in the neighborhood, object tothe proposed zone district
amendment and any significant change in the 18thgreen and fairway of the Vail Golf Course.
ome of th more specific reasons for our clietits' objec.tions are as follows:
Subs:antive Objections:
1 he proposed zonechange is unjustified by any legitimate measure under which a zone
change is to be considered. More specifically:
a. The proposed zoning amendment is inconsistent with the desires of the residents
and adjacent property owners in the neighborhood, who are, to the extent we can
determine, unanimous in their opposition tothe proposal;
b. The proposed zoningamendment is not necessitated or prompted by any standazd
which would warrant a change in the current zone district, or the redevelopment
of the clubhouse associated with the Vail golf course, but rather by a perceived
need on the part of the Town for a revenue-generating event azea and a perceived
need for additional parkinglargely if not exclusively related to that event area;
The golfing community, the actual users of the subjectproperty, has expressed its
objection to the change in the configuration of the 18th fairway and green both to
the Vail Recreation District and to this Council in no uncertain terms;
d. The proposed zone district amendment would destroy what many in the golfing
community considerto be one of the signature holes, if not the signature hole, of
the Vail golf course;
e. "I'he proposedzoning amendment would permit uses which conflict with and
disturb existing uses on and destroy the value of adjacent properties.
2. According to the Vail Municipal Code -
The general use district is intended to provide sites for public and quasi-public uses
which, because of their specialcharaeteristies, eannot be appropriately regulated by the
development standards prescribed for other zoning districts, and for which development
standazds prescribed for each particulaz developrnent proposal or project are necessary to
achieve the purposes prescribed in section i2-1-2 of this title and to provide for the public
welfaze. The general use district is intended to insure that public buildings and grounds
and certaintvves of quasi-public uses permitted in the district are pro riatelv located
and designedto meet the needs of the residents and visitors to Vail, to harmonize with
surrounding,uses, and, in the case of buildings and other structures, to ensure adequate
light, air, open spaces, and other amenitiesappropriate to the permitted types of uses."
Emphasis added.) Vail Municipal Code, Section 12-9C-1
As has heen a.nii `ill be demonstrated by ihe letters and voices of ;dj+ining rape.rty
owners nd the olfing conununity, the proposed change in zc nedistricT :inJ ttiepruposed
changes to the use of the subject property which wrould be permitte.d uponthat change in
zone district designation neither meet the needs of property owners, residents, or those
who use the subject property, nor would the proposed change and related uses harmonize
with surrounding uses.
Most of the uses permitted in the General Use zone district are far more aggressive than
should be allowed in or adjacent to either a residential zone district (as is the case with
the propertyto the south) or an outdoor recreation zone district (as is the property on the
north and east). ThecurrentOutdoor Recreation zone district is the only effective
protection available to the adjacent property owners and residents against the following
uses which aze permitied, under the conditional use permit process, in the General Use
zone district, but which are prohibited inthe Outdoor Recreation zone district:
Churches
Helipad
Hospitals, medical and dental facilities, clinics, rehabilitation centers, clinical
pharmacies, and ambulance facilities.
Major azcade
Plant and tree nurseries, and associated struetures
Public and private schools and educational institutions
Publicbuild.ings
Public parking structures
Public theaters, meeting rooms and convention facilities
Public transportation temainals
Public utilities installations
Type I1I employeehousing units
Water and sewage tzeatment plants.
I he follatiti ing usesaccessc!ry o a p irking ;.tru.ture:
offices, restaurants, sundries sho s, tr.ansiti'shuttle services.
Vail Municipal Code, 12-9C-3.
Under the conditional use permit process, these uses "shall be permitted in the GU
district, subject [only] to issuance of a conditional use permit ...." (emphasis added)
Vail Municipal Code, Section 12-9C-3. If the Town now or at some later time proposes
suchuses as the owner of the property, as here, it is apparent that adjacent property
owners and residents, as well as the golfing community, are unlikely to succeed in
opposition before the Town based upon regulations over which the Town has control. No
such debate will occur if the property remains in the Outdoor Recreation zone district.
4. Although the property owners and residents of the Sunburst Drive neighborhood
recognize that the Vail golf course is owned by the Town, and that the Town should have
significant flexibility in its use of that property, the Town also has a responsibility to
those who are adjacent to it, particularly those who rely upon the Town to exercise
appropriate judgment to protect the legitimate expectations of occupants of residences
whohave long occupied thoseresidences with a justifiable expectation of a tranquil
environment and neighborhood. Although the Town wears atleast two "hats" inthis
proceeding, as property owner/applicant and a quasi-judicial decision maker, the latter
responsibility requires the Council to evaluate the merits and faults of both the
application and the objections.
Practical Objections and Suggested Solution:
Che fundamental challenge with which thisCouncil is confronted at this point in time is
the fact that the current application is driven by a legal description of a parcel whieh
could have been intercepted and corrected prior to its consideration and approvalby the
Planning and Environrnental Commission, had its implications been identified and broad
publicinput occurred during the PEC process. 'The Municipal Code did not require that
action and such inputdidnot occur, and the Town is notto be faulted for that early lapse
in attention. The subdivision of part of the Vail golf course which was approved by the
PEC on the14th of May does, however, include approximately twice the area required by
the renovation/reconstruction of the clubhouse, being roughly the north half of that new
parcel. It is the inclusion of the area of the new pazcel which includes and lies south of
the golf cartpath along the north side of the 18th fairway and green (approximately the
south half of the new parcel) which makes thepackage objeetionable to the neighborhood
and the golfing community. In order to respond appropriately to what seems to be a
uni<<ersalopp sition ka this current prop 7:a1, tEie Tc wn shc i.id +ack u.p, vacate thu
subdivision map a hich tiva ::pproved by t eP C c, the 1<th of -1a;r (assuming tliat map
has een recoraed), and resubmit far FEC considerati na different subdivision map
creating a new lot which includes only the ground required for the elubhouse
renovation/reconstruction, i.e., the azea northwest of the golf cart pathreferred to above.
2. Hecause the boundary of theproposed zone district amendment is dictated by the legal
description of the pazcel which recently was approved by the PEC and it is that boundary
which is principally objectionable to the adjoining property owners and, it seems, the
golfing community, a solution should be within reach. If the Town redefines the new golf
course parcel (and therefore the property to be subject to the zone district amendment) in
the manner suggested above, the current proceeding for a zone district amendment, with
the legal description of the new General Use zone districtmodified in a manner
identifying the property under the clubhouse as renovated/reconstructed, thereby
preserving the18th fairway and green, could be less objectionableto the golfing
community andthe adjoining property owners. Thisdirection would best minimize the
delay (avoiding the necessity of initiating thezone district amendment from its inception)
and could permit the "I'own to proceed with its activity at the close of the golfing season.
Summarv:
While there aze other legal objections to the proposal currently before the Council, the
fact that the public hearing onsecond reading of the proposedordinance is to be eontinued makes
it appropriate to spaze the Council the necessity of dealing with those issues at thistime. Mr.
Hilliard is optimistic, based upon recent communications with the Town staff, that a resolution of
this chaltenge may be identified and implemented, and we hope that there is a basis for that
optimism.
Based upon the current proposal, the application before the Town of Vail must be denied
for both substantive and legal reasons, but there can be little question that it must be denied.
Mr. Hilliard, and those who shaze his concems, submit that it is the Town's duty to be
certain that activities motivated by its own perceived needsand agenda aze undertaken only with
appropriate recognition andrespect for the legitimate rights and expectations of its residents and
property owners. The residents and property owners of the golf course neighborhood expect and
deserve the Town's recognition and protection of those rights.
h-1c. Hiiliard ishes to than: the mc:mbers c t t]-e t::uncil tortheir c risider 3tioe c?f his
concerns, the concem.s of his ryeightiors, and the opinio s of th goliing comsnunity in reservi.n
a recreational asset of the Town of Vailuf im artance to all.
xc: Mr. Glenn Hilliard
Mr, Matt Mire, Town Attorney
Nir. Greg Hall, Director of PublicWorks
I ir. Bill Gibson, Department of Community Development
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To Nhom is maki ng decisions an :he future or Che Vai! Galf C1ub
The decision to use excess and unused funds to im rove the golf course facilit(es should be
commended. The club house is outdated and does notreflect the quality summer and winter activities
that surroundit. Hut to considershortenin changing orreloc ti hole #18 is si
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Every homeowner-contractor and builder in this valley has guidelines-ruies and regulations they need tofollowwhenbuildinganeworremodelstructure. Inthis case thetown should have to listen to the
people who vote them into office when moving forward with projects. Theeoplewho live here, play
and fund our outdoor activities to cha . e ime
tolisten an read what they are saying and come up with a common sense a ernative topavingover
hole #18.
Sincerely;
TheWoods
Peter-Kara-Parkerand earrett
Vail Homeowners-Taxpayers-VRD youth activity supporters, Vail Golf Club Members
Since 1992
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lorelei Donaldson
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SARA NEWSAM <snewsam691@msn.com>
Thursday, Ju e 28, 2012 9:10 PM
Council Dist List
Vail Golf Course Uubhouse and 18th fairway
Dear members of the VailTown Council: Piease reconsiderour recent decision
ti.,.+o t,o 1 Rrh n le at the Vaif GolfCourse S a voter in t e town of Vail I rt;
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Sent: Friday, June 29, 201210:36 AM
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Subject Re: REC Board 5upports the Destruction of #18
thanks Dale. i'm in Austin and can't make it to the meeting but i will be emailing Kevin Foley and othercouncil
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course w en we vote to remodel t this desi . i ho e the ro erty owners on 18
rhrh;r tawvec s_hecavs thev have mare to lose than anyone. thanks for keeping us m orme
Stephen "Tex" Collins
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:06 PM
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Subject: etter to Vail Town Council
Dear Town Council Members,
In regard to theproposed zone district change for the Vail Golf Course, please take into consideration our attached
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Vail, Colorado
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his ?tte snall ser ve a:s our forma! r ritten objection ta theproposc=.c i'ail Planri n; rnd Envir mr ent C'or;issir:'s
a11 If Cours? one di trict amer dment. '"'e c.rn the resi enc I;cate at 1835 Su-burst Dri r, 12galty r.lascribrd
as Lat 5,'v'il Valley T'nird filing. Curproperty adjoins th? parcel r'riich is ti,e sub;ect ofthe zone :Istr tan•eniimert
proceeding,
We have been Vail Valley property owner's since 1982. fhe first property we owned was in East Vail. As our
children grew, so did our need for space. We hadalways admired Sunburst Drive during our valks to and from the
Vail Village, the beautiful homes, the quiet street and ali adjacent to thegolf course were an ideal combinationfor
us. In 1992 we purchased ourstunninggolf course property at 1835 SunburstDrive. We paid a premium, because
of where the home is located, our back decks overlooking the 18`h green, which is adjacent to the area p stposed
for the zone district amendment. We are avid golfers, snowshoers and cross country skiers; immensely enjoying
everything this property and what the current outdoor recreation zoning ourproperty has had to offer. it has long
been a place where we have cherished spending time with our children and now grandchildren.
As our family has grown, so have our interests and ourtime has become more limited. We are not able to spend as
rnuch tirne in Vail as we would like. We have seen the reaf estate market recover to a degree and soin January
2012 wedecided to try to seil this home arrd potentially downsize sornewhere else in the vailey. The lack ofsnow
fall during the 2011/2012 ski season did not give us theamount of traffic as we obviously had hoped for. The
proposed zone district amendment would now be catastrophic to our effort. !t great y diminishesourabilityto seli
this home. I would compare thisproposed plan to taking an ocean front hotel room and turning it into a room with
a parking lot view, or into a room which overlooked, and therefore was to overhear, the noiseand disturbance of an
event venue. We have not had a valuation done on what this would do to our property value, but will do so, if
needed.
It is incomprehensible thatthe individuals who planned this proposal could have the audacity to think that this was
a good idea and would an acceptableequitable solution for the surrounding property owners. The potential loss in
home value, destruction of our views, loss in quality ofgolf, snowactivities, event traffic and noise are simply
unacceptable to us if you were to change to a Generat Use Zone District. Although this Council may have no
intention of changing the use to anything more aggressive than parking (which is pretty aggressive in and ofitself),
any future Council could convert the propertyto any number of uses which would effectivelydestroy the use of our
property for residentialpurposes. We are in full agreement that clubhouse needs to be renovated, but slapping a
parking lot down in the middle of the 18`" green, andchanging the zoning designationof theproperty to permit a
wide range of otherdestructive uses, is pointless, absurd and offensive.
We are fully prepared to take anyactions necessary to insure that the currently proposed plan does not happen. It
is our sincerehope that the amendment is reconsidered and revised to an agreeable solution for all parties
involved.
Sincerely,
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Steven and Robin Chotin
1835 Sunburst Drive
Vail, Colorado
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Tammy Nagel __ _
From: Parn Brandm yer
5ent• Friday, June , ?012 .5 Ph.1
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From: Richard deC HINDS Lailto rhinds cgsh.coml
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:10 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Golf course18thHole relocation
I own a condominium at the Willows Condominiums, 74 Willow Rd, Vail and visit Vail frequently to play golf on the Vail
golf course. I a rongly opposed to thepropasal to eliminate the 18th re ' favor of a arkin Iot andtruncate the
18th of the signa u se. It wou no only downgrade the golf course slope (di cu
making it less cha un to play it would have a negative impact on the look andfeel of the golf course. instead
offinishing a round of golf near the clubhouse-where youcan watch others finishing you would finish on theoutskirts of alargeparkinglotandhavetodrivetotheclubhouseasignificantdistance. The Vaii golfcourse is oneofthe main drawsinsummerforvisitorstoVailandanychangesshouldbegearedtoimproveitsplayabilitynottodesecratethe18th
green.
There is a needfor someadditionalparking but that should be able to handled elsewhere, perhaps by relocating the
practice area along the road to thegolfcourse-or byuse of a satelliteparking lot. And whatabout improving bus service
so people like me and the other usersofthisnew clubhouse donotneed to drive there? Is that not a more
environmentally friendiy solution?
Richard Hinds
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Subject: REC Board Supports the Destrudlon of #18
In a stunningdetision the Vail REC Board did another 180 degree turn last night and now again supportsthe destruction
of # 18 starting on August 6th. Their comment, "if you don't like it youneed toattend the Town Counal meeting on July
3rd." Comments from the REC Board included, "you don't seem to have much support to save #18," even though 25-30
people attended their meeting two weeksago and40-50 letters to the editor all denounced their poorly conceived idea of
changing # 18 to a grassy special events tent venue and a parking lot. The fact that the Townowns the land and the REC
District runs the facility doesn't get the REC Board members off thehook. The REC District met (n a closed door meeting
on June 21 to, "meet with their attorney to discuss their lease with the Town." Out of that meetingthey drafted a
position letter to Town Council supporting their clubhouse design and the destruction of #18. The REC 8oard voted to
maiV that letter last night even though it wasn't even on the agenda to be discussed.
The bottom line is mark your calendar for July 3rdon Tuesday at 6PM to attend the Town Council meeting. MAYBE
the Town Council willunderstand the primary objective of a golf course is the quality of golf, not special events. The golf
course is a major tourist attractlon and a hugerevenue source during the summermonthsand compromising it
for weddings and meetings only takes away business from the locai hotels and restaurants that alreadyownmeeting
space.
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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:32 Ph1
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Collective Cow cil e-mail. . .
From: RolvailC aol.com [mailto:RolvailCa aol.coml
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6;44 PM
To: Vail DailyCa mail.vresp.com
Cc: vailgolfclub gmail.com; Council DistList
Subject: Letters
Vail Golf Course Alterations: Aswe now have learned, the Rec District and TOV have pians to shorten our golf course,
remodel the clubhouse and put in a parking lot expansion where the present 18th green lies. Major probiems lie with all
three half baked projects. Thegolf course will lose a beautifui finishing hole, the adjacent homeowners wilf have a parki
years.
Tf y say the clubhousewiil be a remodelrather thannew construction due to a lack of funds, butanyone whohas
gone for a remodel rather than starting anew knows that remodeling a rotten 55 year oid asbestos ladenstructure only
opens a can of wormswith unforeseen costoverruns W ''t be more astute to allocate thehundredsofthousands of
doliars earmarked for tearing up our goif course, building a new green and constructmg a parkinqlot for aster una
horns or J
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Respectfully,
Rol Hamelin
with cowboy truckers blastingtheir air
amusemen . It iust ma ces no
Tammy Nagel u
From: Pam C randmeyer
Sent: Friday, June 29, ?4? 2 3:33 PPrI
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Fram: Alinda Wikert [mailto:aCa wikert.coml
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:00 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Vote
I strongly oppose converting the 18"' green into a parking lot.
Alinda Wikert
Galatyn Lodge
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From: CHARLIES SHIRTS INC. [mailto:charliesCa vaii.neti
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:08 AM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: golf course
WE have several family and guest here so will not make tue MEETING. I DON'T IEVETHIS IS WHAT THE
VOTER INTEN D. WE CAN G WORK A PARKIN
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BOBAND TRUDY WALSH
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Dear Mayor I aly,
Nle wauld like to voite our opposition to the changes proposed to the 18th hole on
t e ga course.
ese c anges will alter the whole character of the course and it wifl not be an
improvement.
If a large tent is to be erected on the present fairway I have no doubt that there will
be a similar outcry as occurredwhen the bubble was put up on the driving range.
We would appreciate your support in opposing the proposed changes to hole #18.
Yours sincerely,
David and Mary Goldstein.
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From: Olivia HakwoodCa bbh.com [r ailto 0livia.Ha}wood;bbh.coml
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 11:51 AM
To: Council DistList
Subject: Conversion of the 18th Green into a Parking Lot and Site for Party Tent
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
As a concerned r' ' hard for me to believe that the Town of Vail Staff are recommending that the Town
Cni mril anarnvP to ralo atino the 18th hole o t ail Golf Course t convert to Aarkinq o an si e or a Qa y
tPnt IS U r4nns^I ia mm letelv mcmm atihle with thP ari ac nt an i rroundinq residences. n a i ion, th ail Golt
Course is a attraction fQr manv. manvvisitors and to alter it in such a fashion is a complete mistake.
Obviously, the TownofVail Staff are not golfers and such an action couid set a dangerous precedent for other open
space lands.
Very truly yours,
Landon Hilliard
2049 Sunburst Drive
Vail
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From: Frederick Wyman [mailto:fredwvmanCa qmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:29 AM
To: Council Dist List
Cc: Jim F Lamont
Subject: 18 th Green Parking Lot
July 2, 2012
Town Council,
Yet a ainthe Town of Vail is endea destro the beauty that is Vail that has been created b families such as m
own who m_a AhPrP in 19 ave e I tic?d a rasoiie rom run amok overdevelopmen e res o t e worl o fin o
now i nareas reserved for recreational use that vou nlan io black top that a so.
Years ago, 1 recallbeing encouraged to entertain if not support and certainly we should not oppose the redevelopmentof
the Golden Peak area to allow for better facilities for the ski schooland access to the mountain. We were toldthatthe only
way this could happen was if residential development was also allowed to payfor the improvements.
Why didn't the share holder ofVailResorts pay fortheirimprovementsfor theircommercialenterprise? We stupidly
acquiesced feeling that we didn't want to stand in the wayof progress.
No sooner was the construction finished than unforeseen issues arose and eversince the Vail Resorts and the TOV has
rudely ignored the neighborhoods legitimate concerns. Traffic is horrendous at prime times making it dangerous to cross
the street.
When I was pres+dent of the All SeasonsCondominiumAssociation for a decade I wouldwrite annually to the TOV
requesting a pedestrian cross walk be put in so that the Association Members, our children and the public did not have to
run a gauntlet ofspeeding cars to get to themountain. Wewere ignorednot only by the TownCouncil, Vail Resorts, but
every other municipal planning department in the Town.
Now the issueof tra c congestion is before you again and rather than address a community wide traffic issue you fast
track a new Ski Club Vail facility for the benefit of whom? The business interests in the Vail Valley. Certainly not to benefit
of the neighborhood which is already suffering from your poor planning. TheTown's valetparking whichsomehow
morphedinto existence, which was never considered at the time a d in retrospect wasreally disallowed because there
was never supposed to be transient parking located at Golden Peak Is now being touted a revenue producingfor the
Town.
Further, it was noted that the new Golden Peak facility polluted thenight time with thelightthat emanated fromthe
garage. It took 5 yearsbefore we were able to persuade Vail Resorts to replace the substandardtrees thatwere used as
screening and accepted by the Town. Not surprisingly the Town Council atthe timewas totallyindifferent to our issue as
they havebeen with just about any neighborhoodconcerns in any part of Town.
Now some enlightenedindividuals are proposing black topping the golf course, destroying private property valuesof
adjacent homes, the area aesthetics so thatthe Town orfriends of the Town can in someway profitfrom a business
enterprise in a strictly residential and recreational area andadd more traffic to the area.
Unfortunately, I will not be in Vai) on July 3 to share with you how I really feel about another of your ill advisedschemes to
destroy Vail.
Hopefully the public backlash of thetax a erswill be such that o will abandon this folly. Rest assured that I wiil make
o a end a Town ouncil meeting the n x ime 'm in Vail to share my thoughts a out this as weli as on many
other planning matters induding the hospital debacle hat is being ente tained to the detriment of another established
residential neighborhood.
Sincerc fy,
Frgd W fman
Frederick'Nyman
30776 Dover Road
Easton, Maryland 21601
fredwvman(a,Qmail.com
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Collective Cauncil e-rnail. . .
From: Gretchen Busse [mailtoyretchengbCa comcast netl
Sent: Monday, July OZ, 2012 11;30 AM
To: Council DistList
Subject: 18th green
Hell use wo Icome si ht, howeverihe planned parkin lot at the 18th
green busexi gh the berm.w ch wou e 0" closer to a in
own hill curve on Sunburst Dr.
Bike traffic is very heavy and fast giving inexperienced bikers little timereact to an exiting bus so close to the curve,
Sunburst Dr is used asan extension ofthe bike path by hundredsof daily ridersmany of whom are young and
inexperienced. The proposed new bus exit would be an accidentwaiting to happen
Thank You, Gretchen Busse
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Tammy Nagel
From: Pam Brandmeyer
Sa nk: h londay, Jul; QZ, 2U12 12:32 Ph 1
T: E3ill Gibsan; George P.thE r; Grr:g Hall; ti fatt h 1ire
Sui ject: FW lal! Golf Coi..irse Project
Co!lective Council e-mail. . .
From: CURTIS OLSON [mailto:curtisolson@me.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:14 PM
To: Council Dist List
Cc: curtisolson(a me.com
Subject: Vail Golf Course Project
Ladies and Gentlemen: Below is the letter I sent close toone month ago, and I still feel as strongly about this
project as ever. I am making every attempt to beat every meeting, but notbeing a full-time resident cunently it
is difficult to do so. This project directly hurts myquality of life as well as significantly impacting my property
value. I truly hope you will do the right thing in preservingwhat is left of our valley. There are other options t
retain the 18th greenand the magniticence of the golf course. Curtis and Kris Olson
Our names are Curtis and Kris Olson. We own the home at1785 Sunburst Drive. The home is located directly
behind the 18th green, first homenext to the Vail Golf course parking lot.
We and our neighbors are very concemed about the proposed plan for the golf course parking. I attended the
planning meeting to express my concerns during the rezoning votewhere NO planswere presented. I will not
be ableto attend the townmeeting this coming week for I'll be out of town.
The proposal to remove the 18th green and replace it with a pazking lot will:
1. Significantly impact my property value. And Imean significantly.
2. Significantly impact my quality of life.
Concerns::
l. The parkingplan is to add a 35 space lot on the 18th green which is an inerementaladdition of only
19 parking spaces
a. f-Iave all options been explored
b. Why not allow for street parking to accommodatelarge events
c. Valet cars on the driving range where there isno impact to homes and more space
available. This could be 100 parking spaces
d. Expandthe parking lot between the12th reen and 13th tee box and shuttle patrons. This
could be used in the winter by snowshoers, ice climbers, nordic skiers
e. Expandthe lot at thesoccer field. You could shorten hole 6 to accommodatemore
spots. Spots could be used in the winter for skiers and Vail Resort employees
f. Utilize Ford park parking and the city bus system which is one of the best in the country
g. Utilize Public Works parking lot on the other side of the frontage road on weekends
h. Haveout of town patrons utilize hotel shuttles which all the higher end hotels have.
Removing precious green space to replace with asphalt in a town that is so lacking in green space would be a
tragedy. A net add of 19 spots will not allow for a golf tournament and event at the same time. So why do it?
2. There is a landscape proposal to block our view of the ne v parkinb lot, which based on how our
home is situated will not completely block the vie,v. If it daes, it will block my entire view from our basement
cien, living areas, deck and master be.droom, Na landse pe ptan 5,vill corne clir.tie to re.placing c ur cunent
situation.
Tllere does nc t se,emto !}e a 7i inagemet ,lat1 fcfr tltf, .1., ,7raE7 i•t,,
In sumrnary, I luvc this to vn and tlle canlrnitment tlie cit} has l aii to improve ar d pr sei-e it< <?,reat culture. C'cn
a big fan of improving the golf club hou e but the parking plan has nat be n thought through. "lt ereare many
better options far the city and the facility to meet their needs. Rem ving a b ai tifi l green space that is
currently a signature piece of property for a NET GAIN of 19 parking spots is not in the best interest of
anybody.
Our family and property is obviously directly impacted and hurt by this proposal.
Thankyou for your time and your service to our community big and small. I ask that you consider more cost
effective, creative alternatives before proceeding with your cunent plan.
I presented these concerns at the May Planning District meeting as well as to Greg Hall (Public Works Director)
Michael Octiz (VRD), PedroCampos (Lehren tlrchitects) and David Kaselak (Zehren Architects) at myhome
on 6-1-12.
Sincerely Concerned:
CURTlS OLSON
719-964-8765
curtisolson(a me.com
CURTIS OLSON
curtisolson(a me.com
Tammy Nagel __
From: Pam Brancimeyer
Sent: 1end;;, July 2, 2!LZ ?::33 PP,t
To: 3ill GiL scn; Geora e Ruther; Gr+: }-i:ll; ^1<tt P.iire
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Collective Council e-mail. . .
Original Message----
From: Steve Cady jmailto scadv619Cc qmail.coml
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:51 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: 18th Hole
I for one am opposed to a change in the configurationof the18th hole. I think it should stay as is.
Best Regards,
Steve Cady
100 E. Meadow Dr. #305
Vail, CO 81620
714) 931-2922
Tamm Na ei
From: Pam Brandmeyer
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Collective Council e-mail. ..
From: SusanPollack [maiito:s.pollack(comcast.netl
Sent: Sunday, )uly O1, Z012 4:09 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: 18th Green
Please do nnt ch nee the location or size of the 28"' green. Shuttles from the parking structure canbe used in case of a
large wedding orother event.
Susan Pollack
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Original Message-----
From: Geordy Ogden maitto 4eordv007Ca qmail.coml
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:35 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Against replacement of 1 S green
Howdy Councii,
1 would like to voice
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we couia *
Thank youand keep our limited space green.
Geordy Ogden
970 471-6573
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s_and Allie's aliuse sate i e par ing areas for events, I t ir
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From: John@JCarlson Lmailto•JohnC JCarlson.usl
Sent: Sunday, July O1, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Council Dist List
5ubject: Vail Golf Course
In the course of events, reasoned and vell-intentioned peoplesometimes reach questionable decisions. The golf course
controversy is a case in point. Somehow a ax a develo ment of a conference center has mohed into
unrecognizable from its origina mt
l3efore the golf course proposal is voted upon, a few issues should be addressed in a public forum.
1. Di
facilih
ink of the golf c or add an event center to the existing
2. If the town needs additional banquet facilities, why was the Pavilion built at DonovanPark?
3. What is the expected usage of the event center, and what is the source of these estimates?
ntercompete with private interests offering similar services in Vail? tf so, vhy should
rivate b w'tui Nuvaw. —^---r-•---•
5. Do property owners in the vicinity of the olf course haveany enforceable property rights on this issue? If so, whatlegalexposurewouldexisttothetownand vho will indemnify Vail taxpayers for any legal costs and adverse judgments'?
6. If the plan is enacted, and proves a failure, will a reserve be maintained to fund demolition and reconstruction of the
original design? Or is the plan irreversible?
7. When did the olf course become somethingother than a golf course?
Perhaps each of theseissues can be satisfactorily resolved. If so, the re-design is probably meant to be.
If not, all parties involved should start over.
John Carlson
Vail, CO
Tam n Na ef
From: Pam Brandmeyer
S at: P,1onda,/, Juiy bG Gl/1L LW.ri FFY1
P,1att "v1ire; niliGibson; Gearr e Ruthei; Grec Hakl
5ui:sjer_t: F'b'V: ulf c urse rena,aticn
Collective Council e-r ail. . .
From: dorothy furstenberg j nailto dcfurstenbe`qCa yahoo.coml
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:39 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Golf course renovation
We would appreciate all considerations to keepthe 13th hale a par 5.
I'hank you.
Peter and Dorothy Furstenberg 1130 Ptarmigan Road (43years)
Tamm Na el
Fror: Pam Brandmeyer
S nt: "tonday, July 02, Cl 12:53 Fh.1
pp: i tt P.1ire; Greg Nall; G eorge Ruther, Bill Gibsan
u r: f-1"J: th relacating f 13 on the vail golf caur e
Coltective Council e-maii. . .
From: Paul Seidman [mailto oaulhseidmanC 4mail coml
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:38 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: the relocating of # 18 on the vaii golf course
EIi My nameis Paul Seidman, I am a business owner, long time Vail local (28 years) and golfer at the vail
course for 18 years I am in favor of a new club house facility , but I am not in avor o destroving one of the
best tinishing holes , and the best par on the Vail Golf Cou se for a arkin lot. e' e able to
peop e coming in , at the ms ing hole and t e bea ± n.y As. I said before, whenever we needed more
p ng in ai w en we reaesigr CU u u y U«uli n Vail we went underground and it has worked
great. Please do not destroy some of vails history !!! Thnx Paul5eidman
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Tammy IVa el
ooa p wri i x w.r a r nwnr
Qi: arn Srandmeyer
erit: ''1c i day, .'i l ; U, Ui? 12:54 P'1
i.lztt fvlirer; Ui'.I :ba; George Ri.ather; Greg Hali
uE je Ct f=1%i: l th Ho'e
C ilicctive Coun il e-iail. . .
From: vailboba co mcast.net mailto vaiibobCa comcast.netl
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:04 AM
To: Council Dist List
Cc: vailbob@comcast.net
Subject: 18th Hole
I am not in favor of redesigninq the 18"' hole. I
of the 18 o e an do '' e done in connection
wi e C u e redesi n 'r t the vrd meeting several weeks ago, I questionedthe financiai gain rom -
includingthe "wedding c apel" in thedeal and of course I realizethat a meeting space for 200 orso can be used for other
than a wedding chapel. I was given a 1 paragraph print out that stated that among other financial benefits, the "wedding
chapel" was suppose to realize a profit of $5.6 million (does the golf course even gross that much?) with attendant
benefitsof tax collections to the towns coffers, which i seriously doubt. The competition for themeeting roomdollar is
very strong and private enterprise will bringyour numbers down.
I have been a resident of Vail since 1990 and have played golf here on a regular basis since I could afford to after doing
the 2 job program until1995. It is a very good golf course with a good designfor a muni. IYs only real criticisrn (not that
you couldn't increase the number of bunkers and put a few side slopes here and there) is that it is too short. A'n a few
vards to 1" sallino it a nar 5 won't take the alace of makinq 18 a par 4 even if you have te e sh t from the bac tees
to theother courses in
I am pleased that the tone of cornmunications between thetown and rec district has gotten better sinceMike has taken
the reins of the rec district, but this to me seemsto be a case of going too far to pleasethe town fathers and
mothers, who knew what when, it is a bad decision to s `" 4. he other
neighbors in the area don't seem to be very appy a ou ra parking and thelook of the new meeting room.
Thank you for your consideration.
It's a beautiful day in Colorado,
BobEssin ,
Tammy Nagel
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From: janet rey (mai{+o ianetrevC comcast.netl
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:33 AM
To: Council Dist List
S u bj ect:
Dear Council Members, P
vallsyfloor, we need to pr
the plan to "oave aaradise and put up aparkinq lot". Wit
et
Tamm Nagel
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From: ParnBrai,dme}Er
t: h.londzy, )I i71, :%u_l2 l:i;i.l P,1
c,: f rtatt P 1ire; L ill .:ik:s ar; C:e,r;r F:.ith,=_r, Grt.=.q Hall
q1 JfLCt: '": l,i]Cl`:'f I'S14f1 Gf ti'lt'. l.til al't;r_'I'1
CoUccti e Cc uncii maiL . .
From: Liz Schramm
Sent: Saturday, une 30, 2012 8:33 AM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Conversion of the 18th Green
Dear Cauncil Members,
1 am not a golfer, but I have golfed on the Vaii Golf Course. I do not agree with replacing the 18"' hole with a parking lot.
Lets not make everything in Vail cement. I am sure you can irnprovethe original parking lot. P us t e
beautiful and very challen in hole.
t I.,"o rho hi4a and olf course in Vail. Please do not change it.
Thanks,
Liz Schramm
Property Owner in Vail
I
Tamrny Nag l
From: Pam Brandmeyer
S:'t: ivl_tni.l7y, luly 02, Q12 1:04 Fi 1
r,; r,1att h lire; George ;ther; Greg H,all; 3ill G1L sc n
pp,r;; Fb"J: V il Golf Cc urse Zone Di,trict AmencJrnnt
tt c6v°r a rrts: V,3il To Frn Cour c:l - Starfre Can-ipany Lirrited paf
Ccllective Coun il e-mnil. . .
From: Arthur Abplanalp [mailto:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.coml
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2D12 6:18 AM
To: Counci! Dist List
Subject: Vail Golf Course Zone District Amendment
Members of the Council:
I have been asked to forward to the Council theattached letter from the owner of one of the properties adjacent
to the 18th green of the Vail golf course..
I'hank you for your attention to the concerns expressed inthis latter.
Respectfully,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., I.LC
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado 81656
9 0.4 6.6500va
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1em6ers of he `Jail Town Council:
I"'ir Stariire Cc mpai y f_imit d, is tf;e otivner nf Lat 3, '!`il Valley 3rdFilin;, with an addre.ss cf 1315
Sun°au;st Qri r?, 'vaii, CC. 7his property is one of these adjacent o tne 7o vn gol cc:i.rse parc l vhich is
roE sed f r a rnedistrir.t amendment changing the Ta tim galf course parcel frorn ±heOutci rr
Recreation zone districttothe General Use zone district. On behai` of Sta rfireCampany Limited, ? am
authorized to state that Starfire and its owners strongly onject to the proposed action.
The Vail Municipal Code establishes the criter}a for denying or approving a zone district amendment.
The proposal violates each and every one of thosecriteria, as follows;
1} The extent to which the zone district amendment is consistent with all theapplicabieelements of the
adopted goals, objectives and policies outlined in the Vail comprehensive planand is compatible with
the development objectives of the town - Response - It fs irnpossible for us to believe that there is
anything in any comprehensive plan which suggests that any part of the Vail golf course is to be
converted to a parking area, events center, or put toany other active use permitted (with or without
conditions) in theGenerai Use zone district.
2) The extent to which the zone district arnendment is suitable withthe existing and potential land uses
on the siteand existing and potential surrounding land uses as set out in the town's adopted plann(ng
documents- Response - The conversfon ofthe parcel to General Use zone districtwould confilct with
the residential uses of the adjoining property in manyways - noise, vehicular air pollution, destruction of
quality of life and the abilityof residents to enjoy their property being examples.
3) The extent to which the zone district amendment presents a harmonious, convenient, workabie
relationship amongland uses consistent with municipal developmentobjectives - Response - The
proposal is totally in conflict with the residential nature of the adjoining property and municipal
development objectives of the Town of Vail do not (or at least should not) inciude the destruction of the
environment orlife experience of adjoining residents - full-time and part-time - which would be the
effect of thisproposal.
4) The extent to which the zone district amendrnent provides for the growth of an orderly viable
community and does not constitute spot zoning as the amendment serves thebestinterests of the
community as a whole - Response - The proposal does not provide for growth of an orderly viable
community but would effectively destroypart of a long-established viable neighborhood.
5) The extent to which the zone district amendment results in adverse or beneficial impacts on the
naturalenvironment, including, but not limited to, water quality, air quality, noise, vegetation, riparian
corridors, hillsides and other desirable natural features - Response -The proposal would destroy the
naturalenvironment with specific reference to air quality, noise, vegetation and other desirable natural
features.
6} The extent to which the zone district amendment is consistent wlth the purpose statement of the
proposed zone district - Response - the statement of the proposed General Use zone district indicates
that the purpose ofthatdistrict is te provide "sites for pu lic and quasi-puh(ic ses vhich ... cannot be
zp ropriately re ulated by thedeveiopment standarr s prescribed far atner zc nin istricts" and "is
in`ended to ensure that public buildings ard brounds ... are ap ropriately locat ci ndrlesi,5ried to
m et he needs o"r rpsidents and visitors to Vail; to harmanize vith su roundii7g i.ses.' Each of ihes
star dards is violated in the case of tl is propa al.
7j The extent to vhich the zone district amendmentdemonstrates how conditions have changed since
thezoningdesignation of the subject property was adopted and is no longer appropriate - Response -
No changes have occurred since thecurrent zoning designation was assigned to the subject parcel which
would justify theproposed change'in zone district designation, permitting a wide range of uses
incompatiblewith the adjoining properties and neighborhood.
8) Such otherfactors and criteria as the commission and/or council deem applicabie to the proposed
rezoning - Response - There are no other factorsor criteria which are applicable to the subject parcel or
to this proceeding and whfch justify the proPosed action.
Based upon this analysis, the principals of Starfire CompanyLimited, as an adjoining property owner,
request that the Council deny the proposed changein zone districtdesignation.
Respectfully,
Starfire Company Limited
By:
Title: VESEY LIMI7ED
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Tammy Nagel _
Fro n: Pam 6randmeyer
Senk: 'londay, July L 2, 2012 1;Q6 P.1
To: h.tatt ti1ire; George Ruther, Greq Hall; Bil1 GiL ari
Subj ct: Fti V: 18th I,ole
CoUective council e-mail. . .
From: z4iink aol.com [mailto•zgjinkCa aol.coml
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 6:40 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Fwd: 18thhole
Original Message-----
From: zgjink <zqiink(c aol.com>
To: admin <admin anvailrec.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2012 6:33 pm
Subject: 18thhole
Veryopposed to destroying 18th hole ,poorlyworded on ballot neverwould have voted on this if i knew what your agenda
is.lm VRD and this was our "gifY' thank you very little.
Tammy Na ei
rom: Pam Br.ai dmey r
gQrit; ^,landay, ;ul, ?, t 12 1:05 P,1
r: !1 tt h ire; G=_or r.:e Rukher; r H,II; 13i11 C;il soai
ubje ct: rtiN', Vr II GC!LF CLUB N,lD Nf;RD[i CE STEf f E((L EL {,Jl '3T}-1 f-(:LE: f-EA Ii;rd 11EN l
Coflective Council e-mail. . .
From: L Vande Garde [mailto:IvandegaCa swbell.netl
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:11 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: VAIL GOLF CLUB ANDNORDIC CENTER REMODEL AND 18THHOLE REALIGNMENT
I have owned a condo in the Vail village core sinee1978 and have played literally hundreds of rounds of golf at
the Vail Public Course in the yearssince then. I was ve,ppc ntP r hPa; o»,p,±;h,p,s„ceri, ch„g to
the 18th hole ed there last month. I t in nd
s orteninit to a par 4 would ruin it. I hope the Vail Town Council will find a betterway of dealing with the
remodel than c anging t e gol course.
Larry D V ande Garde, ivlD
Creekside #2
io
Tammy Nagel —
From: Pam BrandmeyPr
Sent: fAonda, July Q2, Q].7_ l:G Ph i
70: P;1att `tire; Gr gH<II; C3e:rc e r utP er, 13ii1 G b can
ubject: Fb"J: 18th Ho!e rkirig Lot
Coliective Cuuncil 2-m il. ..
From: Carrie Walker [_ma(Ito•carrieswalkerCagmail.coml
Sent: Friday, )une 29, 2012 5:32 PM
To: Council DistList
Subject: 18th Hole Parking Lot
Town of Vail Representatives,
s an owner in Vail and member of the Vail Homeowners Association, I have been made aware of the town's
plans to demolish the 1$th green of the Vail golf course and replace it with a parking lot(tent are for social
engagements. I do not nnraY o. f this_._, mo .Itwill decrease the beauty of thegolf course, increase_nQis_e and
traffic for nei and decrcasethe bea the town of Vail. Plus, the town has done nothing to
communicate with out of town property owners - owners w o also have a large stake in the town's growth,
prosperity, and master plan.
Regards, .
Carrie Walker
LoreleiDonaldson
From: Malin Johnsdotter <malin@vail.net>
Sent: Monday,luly 02, 2012 3:18 PM
Ta; Council Dist List
Subject 18 th hole
Dear Vail Town Council,
It is with great sadness l have read the in
Qar ne ot. I un erstan t at vou would
restaurant at the Golt Course more prorita ie ana or co
you really think that it ' reen health
we m ail wanted to preserve nat rP an onan coaCe _
Vail Golf Course 18 th green into a
tand that ou want to maKe tne
ion for weddings and parties. ut do
a concrete parking ot? I thoug t
Do you want to build this new parking lot for therestaurant or is it for the golfers? I play golf at Vail Golf course most
days during the summer and I admit that the parking lot can be pretty full on weekends but I do notthink I have ever
had toturn away. Are you expectingmore golfers? Can the coursehostmore golfers? Is that the reason to destroy the
green on the 18thhole?
Lots of question come to my mind. Like, ls Donovan Pavilion used to maximum so Vailneed another party locatfon/
tent? If you want the restaurant to make more moneywhy not start to improve the daily use of the restaurant so more
golfers eat and spend more time 1n therestaurant. The golfrestaurant at my oldclub in Sweden is located 7 miles from
centrum of town and it serves such a wonderful lunch that it is packed each lunch with guests who drive out ortakethe
bus from townjust toenjoy the food and the atmosphere. I feel so sad for the homeowners who have their homes next
to the 19th green. I would be devastated if 1 had to wake up with a parking lotjust outside my door. Would it be possible
to improve the schedule for the Town of Vail buses out to the golf course so people can park at other locations?
I hope that ev meeting Tu
that the Town of Vail will listen to the people and the Nomeowners who are a ected. I am sad I cannot be
am in wedenbut I will wit you in my t oug ts. P ease think t is ro very care ully.
Malin lohnsdotter Zeltman
Malin Johnsdotter
Ski & Snowboard Instructor
1779 Sierra Trail #A
VAII, CO 81657, USA
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k up and
Tamm y Na et
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From: Pam Brandrr eyer
5en1,• ,1ond y, July 02, 012 4:5Q PM
T; tatt Mire; eorge Rutl7er; Greg Hall; Eill GiLson
uvjec: FW: Vail yoff oursp Rernodel
Collective Council e-mail. . .
From: Bob Zeltman [mailto:bobzeltmanCa yahoo.coml
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4;50 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Vail golf Course Remodel
Hi, BobZeltman here. After attending the last 2 VRD me tin I can only sa whv did I vote for these uvs
Not one erson supports leavin the lSth hole an as is. Ar The VRD would be sin 'n a
t erent hine ift evwere adia ent ome owners. This_is_iust ask_in rlaw suits aeainst the town and wasti:
tax payer monies.
The VRD is way out of line in my opinion. I've been to Donovan Park for a wedding and it's a great Iocation. I
also doubt that it's booked everyday of theyear so why the need for more event space? This is a mini
couference center that we keep voting down! I voted for im roved club house so wedon't have to sa to
oeoole thaL his is the best we can do in a wor d class resort! Not turn the V'
The town doesn't need to
The 18th hol n ereen is too beautiful a location to destr. We need a club house and restaurant like every
down valley golf course has. Onethat serves good food in that beautiful setting. I just returned from Ostersund,
Sweden. It is north of Anchorage, Alaska about an hourfrom Are where the Skiing World Championships were
held recently. The restaurant has table cloths onthetables and cloth napkins andserves 3 entres and a huge
buffet and it is packed with both golfers and nongolfers. Theprices were reasonable which might explain why
they were doing a greatbusiness. In short it has class! Something the VGC sorely needs. Stop tryin; to turn the
olf course club house into something it wasnever intended tobe. Thanks for listening. Bo Zeltman
Tamm Nael _ ________
From: Pam Brandmeyer
s n: r:o day, u y o, 012 4:49 Pr.
g; h,tatt rn rz; Greg Nail; eorre Ruther; Bill Git sc n
y t#; FW: Vail yolf course u proposed E:iarkir ia lat
Tmpartanc: High
Collective Councit e-mail. . .
From: T Smith Vail [mailto:twsC vailsmith.coml
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:25 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Vail golf course & proposed parking lot
Importance: High
Dear Honorable Council Members:
Piease donot vote in favorof the Town trading grass for asphalt.
I believe the town citizens voted to improve the building at the Vail Golf Course, not take away green space.
Did the votersreallyvote to replace green with a parking lot?
Significantly, it would be financially detrimental to the property values of the adjoining owners, and unfair to
the other residents.
Perhaps the VCG operation could include valet parking for any additional needs?
I look forward to the much needed improvements of the existing building and continued "green" landscaping.
Thank you for your time regarding this importantmatter,
Respectfully,
r 1( v`i il/
Owner, Mountain Haus condominium
VailBoard of Realtors member 25 years
VailSmith Properties
P.O. Box 3462
Vail, Colorado 81658USA
S^
Lorelei Donaldson
from: CURTIS OLSON <curtisolson@me.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:00 PM
To: Council Dist List
C curtisolson@me.com
Subject: Golf Course Parking Pian
Our names are Curtis and Kris Olson. We own thehome at 1785 Sunburst Drive. Thehome is located directly
behind the18thgi'een; first home next to the Vail Golf course.
We our neighbors are very concemed aboutthe proposed plan for the golf course parking. I attended the
planningmeeting to express my concerns during the rezoning vote where NO plans were presented. I will not
be able to attendthe town meeting this coming week for I'll be out of town.
The proposal to remove the 18th green and replace it with a parking lot will:
l. Significantly impact myproperty value. And I mean siguficandy.
2. Significandy impact my quality of life.
Concems::
1. The parking plan is to add a 35 space lot onthe18th green which is an incremental addition of only
19 parking spaces
a. Have all options been explored.
b. Why not allow for street parkingto accommodatelarge events
c. Valet cars on the driving range where thereis no impact to homes and more space
available. This could be 100 parking spaces
d. Expundthe parking lot between the12thgreen and 13th tee box and shuttle patrons. This
could beused in the winter by snowshoers, ice climbers, nordic skiers
e. Expand the lot at the soccer field. You wuld shorten hole 6 to accommodate more
spots. Spots could be used in the winter for skiers and Vail Resort employees
f. Utilize Ford park parking andthe city bus systecn which is one of the best in the country
g. Utilize Public Works parking lot on the other side of the frontage road on weekends
h. Have out of town patrons utilize hotel shuttles whichall the higher end hotels have.
Removing preciousgreen space toreplace with asphalt in a town that is so lacking in green space would be a
tragedy. A netadd of 19 spots will not allowfor a golf toumament and event at the same time. So why do it?
2. There is a landscape proposal to block our view of the new parking lot, which based on how our
home is situated will not completely block the view, If it does, it will block my entire view from our basement
den, living areas, deck and master bedroom. No landseape plan will comecloseto replacing our current
situation.
3. There does not seem to be a management plan for the new property.
In summary, I lovethis town and the commitment the city has had to improve and preserve its great culture. I'm
a big fan of improving the golf club house but the parking plan has not been thoughtthrough. There are many
better options for the city and the facility tomeet their needs. Removing a beautifut green space that is
currently a signature piece of property for a NET GAINof 19 pazldng spots is not in thebestinterest of
anybody.
Our family and property is obviously directly impacted and hurtby this proposal.
i
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4-7-1
Thank you for your time and your service to our community big and small. I ask thatyouconsider more cost
effective, creative alternatives before proceeding with your current plan.
I presented these concems at the May Planning District meeting as well as toGreg Hall (Public Works Director)
Michael Ortiz (VRD), Pedro Campos (Zehren Architects} and David Kaselak (Zehren Architects} at my home
on 6-1-12.
Sincerely Concemed:
CURTIS OLS N
719-964-8765
curtisoison(a me.com
z
7/17/2012
4-7-2
Lorelei Donaldson
From: Karla Sjogren <kksvail@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 201210;35 PM
a; Council Dist List
Subject: golf course 18th hole converstion
The 18th holeshouldnot bechan ed to a ar x should not be reduced to postage
stamp. Vail has a nice course and it is your drawfor the public/ golfdining.
haveim r vin th ' ise the view for the restauran '
q ns ^^ an aff a tive restaurant wit goo oodand a incredible view.. If youfeel the
need to provide party venues, update thecurrent restaurant. Management of the rest. needs to
outsourced. Use the onsfte liquor license toincrease revenue dollars.
The changes made to hole seven did not maximize a spectacular tee box when the the opportunity
was avaflable. And tee box and number 3 hole were changed to be very ordinary....imagination and
creativity werenotused. Short sided use ofthe funds. Do not do the sametohole 18.
If you have monies left over after the clubhouse remodel is completed, theycould be used to upgrade
the greens on the goif course.
I believe the voters provided fund for the golf coursefacility and not a party venue to support other
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Tammy Na el
Fr.: Pam Brandmeyer
5 nt: T°esday, :u'y 03, 2012 12:52 f 1 1
To• ?-
latt hllire, Ge-.crge R.i,ther; Greg Hali; E,ill Gibsoi
y Q j ct: r V Gcif Club Char,gns
ullective Cotir cii e-mail.
From: RolvailCa aoi.com Lmailto RolvailC aol.coml
Sent: Monday, July02, Z012 7:00 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Golf Club Changes
Dear Town Council;
I have attended the last several meetings of theVail RecBoardand would stronglysuggest a go slow approach to the
proposed changes! Pleasego aheadwith the rebuildingof the clubhouse, hopefully fromscratch so we are not revisiting in the future. T is
is absolutely necessary as you are aware. But let us wait on chan es to the 18th fairwa and reen till we see 'ust
what the dernand will be? An s e comm nit in ut as we have a rea severa
ICICIII Jicu w..+" _
elieve this approach is one of thetwo plans being presented Tuesday eve.
Thanks so much.
Respectfully,
Rol Hamelin
Ingie Franberg
Lorelei Donaidson
From: Lee S. Chapman <{eapin66@me.com>
Sent: Tuesday,luly 03, 2012 2:42 PM
To• Council Dist List
Su6ject Fwd: Town Council hearing July3, 2012--Zone District Amendment--Vail{ Golf Course
AttachmQnts: Vaii Town Council-Chapman,120b25a.doc; ATTo0401.htm
Please consider this letterpertaining to your meeting tonight-----thankyou!
Lee and Sandy Chapman
Begin forwarded message:
From: 'Lee S. Chapman" <Ieaain66Cme.cam>
Date: July 3, 2012 3:19:12 PM CDT
To: ChapmanLee < 'n a .
1
7/17l2012
4-7-73
Vail Town Council Members:
Wehave been owners of property adjacent to the 18`h green of the Vail Golf Course since
1993. We understandthat it is the subject of the current proceeding to change the zone
district ofthat Town pazcel from the Outdoor Recreation zone district to the General Use
zone district. We oppose this change. Our family purchased this home with the
understanding and the assurance that ourproperty and the surroundings would always
remain zoned O.R. and a geen area. This was entirely logical considering the long
history of the Vail golf course and the importance of the golf course (particularly the 18`h
hole in its current configuration) to the attraction of Vail as recreational destination
during the summermonths. The cunent zoning, which was designedto assure the
community of the perpetuity of that use and has been relied upon by the neighborhood as
a whole, is essential for ourneighborhood well being and our property values. We
believe there is NO legitimate or justifiable reason to change this zoning.
We highly value our ability to sit on our deck and enjoy mountain views in peace and
quiet. Our use of this property would be severelyhampered with a pazking lot and a
possible "events cente' S0-70feet frorn oux deck. There will be an increase in noise,
changes made to the natural environment, and security issues that we would have to deal
with- how would you like that? Any other uses perrnitted in a General Use zoning azea
are equally distressing.
Again, we strongly protest a change from OutdoorRecreation Useto General Use
zoning for the property adjacent to the 18` green! There is no justification for a change
there-----we would approve of and enjoy the remodeling of the Clubhouse and change in
zone district under the current footprint of that redevetopment project.
For these reasons, we are convinced that the currentproposal for conversion of property
from the Outdoor Recreation zone district tothe General Use zone district should be
denied.
ThanJc you for your consideration in this matter,
Sandy and Lee Chapman
3une 25, 2012
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From: Bob ZeltmanLmaiito:bobzeltrnanCa vahoo.coml
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 201Z 10:57 PM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: Town Council meeting 7/3/12 The Real Story
Hi everybody, this is directed at the non golfers among you for the most part. After listening to the various
presentations, here's what you are not being told by the studies. First of all golf like any other athletic activity
has inherent risks. Take skiingfor example, you will never safety proof the mountain just as you will never
safety proof the golf course. Being both a skier and a golferin Vail sincethe fall of 89 when I moved herehas
given me insights that don'tappear in the "professional studies."
Anyone vhoplays golf knows that you can be hit by an errant golf ball anywhere on the course or nearby for
that matter at any time. The so called danger zone on the 18th fairway is just one of many. "I'he club that you use
determines how far the ball goes. The study only considers the driver. We have all hit a 9 iron or 8 iron over the
net fiom the driving range and the balls land either onthe club house or in the parking area. You could string
steel cable from the top of every post across the driving area and cover the range with netting to contain the
balls, but that is only one area of the course.
Hole nurnber one tee shots can go left across thestreet and hit cars, people on bikes and the townhouses or they
can go right and land on golferscomming up the9th fairway.
Hole number 4 tee shots can hit homes, people and cars left and right there. Hole number 5 you can hit people
comming up the 6th fairway with a slice. Hole number 7 you can hit peopieteeing off on the 8th tee box. You
can slice your tee shot from the8th tee box and the balls can land on people on the 2nd green. On the 9th tee
you can slice your shot back to the first green and fairway.
This happens every day that the course is open.l-iole number 12 you can hit people on the16th fairway. Hole
number I 3 you can hit someoneon the14th fairway and from the 14th tee you can slice the ball back to the
13th fairway. Eiole number 16, you can hit people on the 12th fairway. On the 18th tee you can hit someone on
the 11 th tee box. It's the nature of the game.
Thesaf sssue on the 18th fairway is just a crutch to push an a enda to relocate the 18t]
you sh>>1 1 rnncj] r,s t er g_ space or t e eventcenter on a lazge scale
ocation. Vh don'tou use waste land area on the south ' irwa or nter? It
a so has a nice view of the Gore Range. Thanks for listening. Bob Zeltman
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From: Wayne Wright-HPI.I mailto;h liCa pdq.netl
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9;02 AM
To: Council Dist List
Subject: #18 green
I am a2nd homeowner and bought in Vail on the Potato Patcharea. We truiy like the tranquility and enjoy the Vail life
experiences and have played golf a number of times. When I learn obble up part of
the golf course I si if home on the 18`h woke u
one day looki a arkin lot. Ha u s t our mmon sense? Leave th ' s not
ma e good sense.
Sincerely;
Wayne Wright
Houston Procuremeni and Lagisiics Int'l, Inc.
10590 Westofflce Orive Suite125
Houston, TX 77042
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Attachments: To<<nCauncil.,'GC.120711.pdf
Membersof the Council (and, by copy, Vail Recreation District)
The Council has identified a number of reasons for its consideration of the destruction and
reconfiguration of the 18th fairway of the VailGolf Course. Because it is unrealistic to expect
anyone to be ableto deal with each of those reasons within a two- or three-minuteopportunity at a
Council (or Board) meeting, it seems necessary to provide you with a written analysis of the
various problems with the aetion which is under consideration. That analysis is attaehed,
We hope that you will have an opportunity to review these thoughts and concerns before the
Council meeting onthe 17th of July (and, with referenceto the VRD Board, before its meeting
tomorrow, the 12th of July), and that the concerns and issues raised will cause both the Council and
the $oard to reverse the course of action which will be under discussion.
If either any members of the Council or the Board, or any members of the Town staff, has any
c uestions, you may contact me.
Thank you foryour attention.to these concerns.
Respectfully,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office 9ox 2800
Jaii, Colorado 81658
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Town Council
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Proposed Reconfiguration of 18th Pairway and Green, Vail Golf Course
Members of the Council:
As the members of the Council are awaze, this Office has been engaged by Glenn
Hilliard, the owner of a residence at 1801-A Sunburst Drive, Vail, inassociation with the
proposal before the Town of Vail todestroy and relocate the 18th green and part of the 18th
fairway of the Vail Golf Course as well as the proposed zone district amendment related tothat
action. Mr. Hilliard's property and residence adjoin the propertywhere that action is proposed.
Mr. Hilliazd has been joined byother residents of Sunburst Drive who aze owners and/or
residents of properties adjacent to thethreatened area, and as a group they have attempted to
identify for the benefit of the Council and the Vail Recreation District the many reasons which
warrant abandonment of the current plan. The points and concerns expressed by :tr. Hilliard and
other owners directly to Council are generally shared by all and should be considered by Council
to be a united opposition to the current plan.
It is the position of Mr. Hilliard and his neighborsthatno condition exists which warrants
the relocation of the 18thgreen and fairway from their current location. Toconvert this area to
an azea devotedto event gatherings, or gatherings of virtually any other public nature, would
constitute a nuisanceto the adjoining residences and a violation of the covenant which affects
this property. For thesereasons, among others, Mr. Hilliard and his neighbors respectfully
request that the 18th green and fairway be left in their current configuration.
It was originally our understanding that the action proposed for the 18th green and
fairway was based upon the perceived need for construction of additional parking and an outdoor
events venue in connection with an expansion of the Vail golf course clubhouse. At the Council
meeting onthe 3rd of July, the focus with referenceto the need to take the proposed action
seemed to shift tosafety and a perceived mandate related to the vote approving the expenditure
t x,;sc 1lec ed tor a conference ccnte r. For that reasan, lhis 3ett r deals grimarily th thase
t o subjects ti5 ith which the Co u cil e.ems to be concerned.
Safety:
The Council has identified three areas of concem with reference to safety, none of which
constitute existing problems warranting the destruction and relocation of the18th green and thewestemthirdofthe1Sthfairway. These areas of concern are (1) gotf balls from the driving
range landing on the 18th fairway, (2) the proximity of residences adjacent to 18th green andthe
western part of the 18th fairway, and (3) thedanger posed to a proposed commercial events
venue east and/orsouth of theclubhouse. For the reasons noted below, none of these reasons
warrantthe action under consideration.
1. - golf balls from the driving range landingon the 18th fairway - T'he Town's expert in
golf course design has indicatedthat golf balls hit from the driving range sometimes land on the18thfairway, and that, for this reason, the portion of the18th fairway affected should be
deactivated as a fairway. There are at least ihree problems with this logic.
a. Although the expert did not display the results of anystudy on the north side of
the driving range, the effect of the existence of the driving range on the lOth
fairway to the north of the range is iikely identical to the effect on the 18th
fairway. If the impact area on the 18th fairway is to be deactivated, then the same
logic dictatesthat the impact azea on the l Oth fairway should be deactivated, and
thehole should be converted to a par 3, if it can remain in existence at all.
b, The approachunder consideration would effect'tvely "sterilize" the impact
areas onthe 18th fairway against any use whatsoever. The impact azea would
become a vacuumwhere no activity whatsoever could occur. Real estate ovmed
by the Town of Vail doesn't remain a vacuum, whether sterilized or not.
c. Finally, in recognizing the fact that any abandoned part of the 18th fairway will
notlong remain unused, it must be observed that virlually any use of that ground
will create greater riskfor the Town thanits current risk. For example, where
perhaps as many as twenty golfers (five foursomes) briefly travel the18th fairway
during an hour on a busy day, a venue for events would result in 200 or more
individuals being exposed to the perceived hazard for an extended period of time.
Any such existing hazard would beincreased by a factor of ten times (20 vs. 200) if the Town were to take the direction currently proposed. This impact would be
aggravated by the fact that, while golfers almost certainly would have assumed the
risk of injury by errant golf balls while engaged in the sport, persons attending an
event would not be subject to such an"assumption of risk" defense.
In r;alit r, Che minirnal anc tieetin tlreatposed t gal:S.'e,rs onthe lOtli :nd 1 Bth tainvay suf;te ts
tl:at nu chanoe w hats ever is reyuired tothe cnrrent cc;n#iguration f the g If caurs or h usc «f
conventional ;olf batls on the driving range.
If part of the 18th fairway is vacated, at some point in the future the Town will certainlyidentify
a need for this area and will concludethat there is only one answer to the broader problecn. A
change in the ] 8th fairway andgreendeal with only one aspect of the perceived risk and does not
deal with the I Oth fairway or the virtual certainty of alternative uses for the part of the l 8th
fairway proposed for abandonment. The "Town controls the balls used on the driving range, and
it is the height and distance traveled by those balls which creates the threat, to theextent any
threat exists. The only universalsolution to the perceivedthreat isthe conversion of the driving
rangeto theuse of golf balls which travel a shorter distanceand, more importantly, do not attain
the height necessary to cleaz the fenee surrounding the ciriving range. If there actually is a threat,
the question isn't whether this action will be taken, but when. If the Council believes a threat
exists, then this action is inevitable, and because the 18th fairway can be saved only at this time,
the point intime to change the range ball supplyto shorterdistance balls is now.
2, - the proximity of residences adjacent to 18thgreenand the westem part of the18th
fairway - The Town's golf course expert believesthat golf balls hit from the 18th fairway can
stray onto the residential properties adjacent to the westem part of that fairway. The residents
indicate that this rarely occurs. However,
a. As previously pointed out, it is these owners who aze objecting to the
relocation of the adjacent fairway and green, notwithstanding the fact that they
may be affected by the activity on the golf course. "I hese people live next to the
golf course so that they canhave theexperience of being nextto the golf course,
andthey recognize that there is a riskinvolved.
b. Of greater importance in establishing the fallacy of trus concem is the fact that
relocation of the 18th greenand elimination of the western part of the 18th
fairway will not eliminate the risk with which the Town is concerned. Rather the
proposed action will shif that risk to the east, creating an impact area on
properties which, at this time, have significantly less risk as an impact area. These
aze properties whose owners have had no notification of their increased exposure,
and the Town has no information from these owners regardingwhether they do or
do not wish to assume the risk which the owners and residentsaround the current
18th green know and with which they are comfortabte. Becausethe risk with
which the Town is concemed is not eliminated butis shiRed to those who are not
now under that risk, without their knowledge, this safety argument is without any
logic.
3, -,he daciber pused to an events enue east an'or satxtiz cif the clubllause - F:rceivr;d
r:sk to an ever cs enue east and or south of the clubh use has a.t least three ccntral prc blerns.
a. First, this perceived risk is not aow in existence. This risk only becomes real if
the Council and the Vail Recreation District create an outdoor eventsvenue in the
impacted area. By changing the location of any eventsvenue, or by creating an
events venue which is either (i) interior or (ii) rooftop but protected or (iii}
exterior butprotected, the risk vanishes.
b. Secondly, becausethe currently proposedeventsvenue does notnow exist, the
Town is creating its own problem and then justifying changes which impact the
neighborhood (removing the golf course impact fTOm some properties and shifting
that risk to other properties) in order to resolve a problem which is being created
unnecessarily. Again, there is no logic to the proposed course of action.
c. Finally, as noted above, the location of an events venue onthe part of the 18th
fairway will actually. increase any exposure of the Town associated with errant
golf balls originating onthe driving range, ratherthan eliminate that risk.
For the reasons noted above, none of rationales relied upon by the Town warrant or
necessitatethe destruction or relocation of the l8th green and fairway.
Voter mandate:
The 'Town has on several occasions referred to its position that the approval of the
expenditure of conference center funds has given it a cleaz direction to create an exterior events
center in the area of the golf course clubhouse. While some who were exceptionally involved in
the development of the ballot questionor the related planning may have been awaze that an
cxtemal event center was part of someone's plan, the ballot question did not reflect any such
proposed direction or plan. The best information available indicates that the ballot question was,
in pertinent part, whether the Town should use the remaining convention center funds for the
Expansion and improvement of the clubhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic Center,
including multi-use community space; ....(Emphasis added)
It is important to note that the bailot question in no way indicatedthat the program would involve
or require the destruction and/or appropriation of any part of the 18th hole. On the contrary, the
use o£the word "including" clearly indicatesthat the expansion and improvement ofthe
clubhouse would "include" the multi-use community space, i.e., that the eommunity space would
be interior to and/or a part of the clubhouse. The input which the Council has heard from the
golfing community has confirmedthis populazreading and understanding of the proposal.
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I'E,e T'o 1 hasreeei ed no oternlandate for the cle;tr.ictic n or elocatierel 7f anJ part of
the lSth faiR*ay or the 18thgteen.
Qther Considerations:
ppart from the lack of justifiiaiia least four other ons de ations wh'tchP quire
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hole of the Vail golf course, there ex s
withdrawal of the current proposal.
The covenants associated with the 1984 d,ehicl incu deshhe 8th hole fo rany p pose
subject property prohibit the use of the property a
other than a"public golf courseor ope
for tho e urposes'eThe colnversion oflpart of thls
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other related support facilities required
se of puttin "heads in beds" is a commercial use
property into an events center for the purpo P g
whichviolates that covenant. That covenant wasand is enforceableby the successorsandcssignsofthePulisRanchCompany. Availableinforrnation indicates that theowners of thepropertiesonSunburstDriveazesuccessorsandassignsofthePulisRanchCompanyentitled to
enforce that covenant. Mr. Hilliard does not '
of the olther
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Poolvmers tbbe determ n d to
enforce that covenant, nor do I understand any PP'
takesuch a direction. If, however, the formerPulis Ranch property is converted to a use whichviolatesthatcovenant, he, or any of his neighbors, may be compeltedtoconsiderthat course of
action as the only available remedy.
A second concern is the fact that virtually any use of the part of the18th hole under
consideration for abandonment will, if abandoned, be converted to a use incOof Si st e`cu az oncem
ability of the neighboring property owners to yuietly enjoy their property. P
is the virtualcertainty that noise associated with the activities in this area will constitute anuisancetotheneighboringpropertiesundthattheproximityoflazgenumbersofpeoplein thisareawillresultinaninvasionofprivacy. The golf coursewas conveyed to the Town of Vail andestablishedaspartofanoverallplanforihatgolfcourse, open space or park for the benefit of ihe
neighboring properties. T
res ect of th orig nalc ovenant ornotherwise
ntinuing recognition of
this plan, whether through p
Anotherconsideration isthe reality that, if the Town closes part of the 18th fairway as
proposed but does not eliminate othersimilaz
sinunderthe t e of the 16th hole, then the Town
fairway orto pedestrian and bicycle traffic pas g
will have ef ectively acknowledged theexistence of a threat at one location without havinn u
edt
appropnately with the threats at otherlocations wherethe same threats exist. tlny partY l
in one of those virtually identical situations would have an easier case demonstrating that theTownhasonlyselectivelycorrectedanidentifiedproblem, and that he or she suffered injury
because the Towndid not take identical action wherever the perceived threat e cists.
Finally, it must be recognized lhat () the conv:rsion of pr+lFerties from oif course
propertics into properties «hic.h front on acant land ti-nose futur is t irge y un predictabie, ii,
b} the noise and disturbance associated with activities in a cc mmercial e ent renue, cunstituting
a nuisance in every sense of the word, tivill have a catastrophic effect vn the values of thc
properties currently adjacent to the western third of the lSth fair ay. While we have aitempted
to focuson the interests of the Town of Vail and the golfing publie, and the fallacies of the
justifications offered for the reconfiguration of the 18th fauway, the impact on owners and
residents who have long relied on the development plan created in the 1970's and confirmedin
the1984deed to the Town of Vail cannot be ignored. The Town accepted the1984 deed subject
to a covenant whieh was clearly intended to perpetuate a plan which provided for the Sunburst
Drive lots to enjoy golf course &ontage, and the Town has a moral, as well asa legal, obligation
to respect that pian and the reliance of owners and residents on thatplan.
Options:
Although Mr. Hilliard cannot speak for each of his neighbors in this regard, it is possible
that action might be taken to protect the interests of the Town of Vail while insuring the
continued existence of the 1 Sth fairway and green in their current configuration. If there is a
desire to protect the interests of the Town of Vail whileinsuring the continued existence of the
18th fairway and green in their current configuration, Mr. Hilliazd would be willing to work with
the Town and hisneighbors to subject the properties of concem with respect to errant golf balls
to a covenant of generally the following content, consistent with recent golf course development:
Every Lot subject tothis covenant is subject to an easement permitting golf balls
unintentionally to come upon the Lots adjacent to the golf course, and theowners of each
such Lot, for themselves and their successors and assigns, agree that neither such owners,
nor their successorsand assigns, shall make any claim against the Town of Vail nor the
Vail Itecreation District, nor any councilperson, officer, director, employee or agent of
either, while acting in such capacity, as a result of injury or property damage resulting
from such errant golf balls being unintentionally hit onto any of the Lots. The existence
of this easement shall not relieve golfers of liability for damage caused byerrant golf
balls. "
With reference to any perceived threat from the driving range, it has been suggested by
some in the golf community that a monitor might be stationed at the driving range to enforce a
control preventing conventional balls &om carrying over the fence which surrounds the driving
range. If this step were coupled with signage advising those using the driving rangethat their use
of the range will be terminated if a ball is hit over the fence, then this might be an effective step
in preventingerrant balls from landing on either the l Oth or the18th fairway, saving both. While
there would be a cost to such action, that cost would not approach the more than $350,000 which
will be required to reconfigtue the 18th fairway and green.
Summarv;
As noied in the previ us co ru lunze,atton to the Co.incil an bel7alf of 1 Sr. iiilliar i in
connection with the proposed zone district a nendment, we suhmit that it is the 'I'otivn's duty to be
certain that activitiesmotivated byits own perceived needs andagenda are undertaken only vith
appropriate recognition and respect for the tegitimate rights and expectations of its residents and
praperty owners.
Once again, Mr. Hilliard wishes to thank the members of the Council for their
consideration of his concems, the concems of his neighbors, and the opinions of the golfing
community in preserving a recreational asset of the Town of Vail of importanceto all.
xc: Mr. Glenn Hilliard
Board of Directors, Vail Recreation District
Ir. MattMire, Town Attorney
Mr. Greg Hall, Director of PublicWorks
Sr. Bill Gibson, Department of Community Development
lorelei Donaldson
From: Glenn Hilliard <rglennhilliard@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 922 AM
To: Council Dist list
Subjet Proposed changes to Vail Golf Course
Attachments: VailTown Council_Ltr 071212.pdf
Dear Vail Town Council,
Please find attached letter. I hope that you will take this infonnation into consideration for the council rneeting scheduled for July
17 th.
Respectfitlly,
Glenn & Heather Hilliard
1801-A 5uuburst Drivc
Vaii, CO
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I illiard Group, LLC
R. Glenn Hilliard
July 12, 2012
Town Council
Town vf Vail
Vail, Calorado
Re: Potenriat changes in the Vai! Golf Course
Thankyou again For allowing public input in regard to the Vail Golf Course and
Clubhouse redesign and rezoning. In addition to the points made in our letter of June 26,
2012, and to thepointspreviously and currently made by our Sunburst Drive neighbors
and bythe attorneys who are representing the neighhors who adjoin the area of the 18
green, we would like foryou to also consider the following points prior to making any
decision on how toproceed with any changes to the 18' green and fairway or to the
clubhouse.
The money, which is now availableto the Town of Vait, is significant butlimited,
and it should be used in a way which delivers on the expectations and maximizes
the real and incremental value forthe residents, homeowners and taxpayers of
Vail. Neither the current plan nor any of the publicly suggestedchanges to those
plans are what voters acted upon nor do they maximize the return on investrnent
The available moneX is best spent building a wor d-class clubhouse, which
contains internal and connected mul-use space designed to he used for a varlety
of purposes. These timited dollars should be spent as the voters approved them,
not wasted in rnovingthe 18 fairway and green nor in creatlng an unneeded
venue" space.
lf these monies are Eocused on dubhouseimprovements rather than changing
fairways and greens, there is much more opportunity to'derive income and
community value from a top notch clubhouse, with such uses as a restaurant,
coffee shop, separate bar and grill, locker rooms, and a stop for bikers than there
is in trying to create through a new outsidevenue new income for the Town of
Vail or addidonal `heads in beds" for the retail businesses oFVail.
In and around Vail therealready exist more than a half dozen more desirable and
not fully utilized venues for weddings and other events. Adding another outdoor
venue onthe current 18 fairway and green area is not needed, is poorly
conceived and is a waste of taxpaye's money. Importantty, the move of the 18
green also creates a reduction in value of the Vaii Golf Courseand a substandal
reduction in the value of thehomes adjoining the 18 fairway and green.
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The use of thIs area as outdoor venue space is clearly not optimal. [n addition to
creating potential problems and unhappyinterfaces between golfers and venue
users, and between venue users and adjaining homeowners, you should also
recognize that the substantial road noise, which is okay for galfers, is not okay for
weddings or ather outdoor events.
3. The target capacity of any multi-use venue space should be reduced to 75-125
people and it should be enclosed or enclosable inpoor weaEher or for safety. This
is an optirnalnumber For a multiuse facility which should primarily serve as
restauranh space, so that Vait is not paying to maintain space which stands empty
and unused the majority of the time. Any need for °outside or patio° space should
also be permanent, enclosabieandattached to the clubhouse to allow for the
continuationofuse of the 18 hole and green as currently configured and the
continued use oi'the driving range. This °internal" sgace arrangement witl
alleviate issues of road noise, crowds and confusion from sharing outside space,
avofd creating a legal nuisance to adjoining homeowners and eliminate the risk of
harm or injury to venueattendees.
As a reference point, the current clubhouse dining roomaccommodated
comfortably the 11S peoplewho attended the wedding rehearsal dinner for our
daughter, Nancy, which was held inthat venue in January2000.
4. An outside venue is not a good business for this locatlon. I serve on the board of
Brookgreen Gardens, the largest ou[door figurative scul pture garden inthe U.S.,
and on many weekends it is utilized as a wedding venue. [n fact, our youngest
daughter Glenn, was married there. When the cost of promotion, maintenance, .
cleaning and preparing, and providing a liaison for wedding ptanners and sub-
contractors for tents, music, etc. is factored into this, it is barely a positive
contributor to the bottomline for Brookgreenand onlyprofitable at all because
the use is limited to thelargest contributorsto Brookgreen.
Once again, we support but do not reiterate all the comments and letters provided by
neighbors and others who oppose the ideas ofmoving the 18th green or creating an
outdoor venue.
We support the substantial improvement of the golF and nordic clubhouse and
lea ringthe 18' green and fairway where they are today. To do otherwise is a complete
failureta abide by the wishes of the Vail voters and is a violation of trust with neighbors
and a violation of specific covenants which havebeen relied upon for decades. Thisis
not a venue suitable for outdoor events, and it is an outdoor venue whtch is unneeded
and will neither add revenues to the Townof Vail nor deliver meaningful additional
heads in beds" to our Vail businesses.
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We implore you to abandonthe current plans, topreserve the 18 hole and green as
they exist today and to put the available money into a world c{ass nordic, golf, bilan$ and
neighborhood restaurant, coffeeshop and clubhouse.
Thank you for your consideration.
nn Hilliard & Heather Hilliard
n noiz
4-7-99
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Vail Valley
Suite 310
Warner Professional Building 2
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado81658-2800
Telephone: 970.416.6500
Tel ecopi er: 970.476.4765
To:
From:
Subject:
Date:
Law Office of
ARTHURA. ABPLANALP, JR.
L.L.C.
www.abplanalplawoffice.com
ArtC AbplanalpLawOffice. com
MEMORANDUM
Vail Town Council
Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr.
Fort Collins
Suite 260
Historic Miller Block
11 OldTownSquare
Fort Collins, Colorado 80524
Tel ephon e: 970.482.6900
Telecopier: 970.482.6905
Vail Golf Course - Fairway Destruction and Clubhouse Conversion
18 September2012
Members of the Council:
As the members of the Council are aware, I amone of the attorneys
speaking on behalf of the owners and residents of properties adjacent to the 18th
hole of the Vail golf course in connection with the proposal to destroy the 18th
hole as it is currently configured and to enlarge and convert the clubhouse to an
event center.
On thrs date, the Council is scheduled to deal with two matters, one being
the follow-up to the meeting onthe 4th of September, andthe otherbeing an
update on project design. Accordingly, this Memorandum will be limited to the
history of this project to date and the design of the project.
l. The Town has received a good many comments which almost
universally oppose the projectfor the clubhouse and 18th hole as conceived. No
action should be taken to destroy or in any way change the 18th hole of the golf
course until everything is sorted out and there is a final determinationregarding
whether the 18th hole inust be modified in order to accommodate the actual plans
for the Clubhouse which are finally approved and authorized. It has been
demonstrated through the submittal of alternative plans that the clubhouse can be
improved with expanded area in a way which preserves the orientation of the golf-
related activities toward the current 18th green and which preserves the 18th
fairway and green in their current configuration, and which saves the Town
something in the range of a million dollars on connection with the activities
related to the 18th hole alone. No one understands the Town's determination to
destroy the golf course and the neighborhood, unlessthe purpose is to simply
demonstrate that the Town cannot be defied. Those in the neighborhood would
prefer to believe thatthis is not the case.
2. Some in the neighborhood have suggested that the Council look toits
inission statement and related principals. These include the following:
Your mission is to provide to the citizens of Vail, as well as your guests,
superior services, and outstanding environmental stewardship. Is the
destruction of a central feature of the golf courseand a neighborhood
consistent with thatmission?
Your values and commitmentsinclude respect, trust, integrity and
collaboration andthe provision of transparency, accountability and fiscal
responsibility. Is the process of ramming this project down the throats of
the golf community as well as the affected residents an example of those
values? Is the violation of your commitmentregarding the use of the
conference center funds last August an example of that transparency and
accountability? Isthe unnecessary expenditure of what will almost certainly
be inore than a million dollars an example of that fiscal responsibility?
The neighborhoodthinks not, and the golf communitythinks not.
3. The Town has asked the Sunburst Drive residents tocommunicate
their concerns about the Golf Course project to the Council. The Staff prepared a
project issues report" that purportsto representthe concerns of the residents. The
Town's summary of the list of issues was presented at the last Council meeting
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for input from the residents, now that this input has been received, the Town
Council is avoiding any mentionor discussion of these concerns, despite the fact
that the Council agenda and related materialindicated and currently indicates that
the entire purpose of theprocess is to get feedback from the Council. This process
hardly demonstratesany real effort by the TownCouncil even to consider the
concerns of the residents orto let the community know either why the Town is so
determined to create a projectwhich creates such universal animosity or why the
Town is so determined to ruin one of the most desirable areas of the Valley.
4. It is becoming increasingly evident that the intended intensity of use
of the events center will bean aggravation of the nuisance which has become an
increasing problem for the neighborhood. This isn't something which the
neighborhood has accepted in silence. Attempts havebeen made to get relief
throughpolice, but the police, though courteous, have been limited to solving
problemsafterdisruptions have occurred. The disruptions to the nei hborhood and
the nuisance have continued, andthe police have better things to do than spend
their time dealing with unruly event attendees. It has beensuggested that events
will be held 100 timesper year. This would be twice each week if the events were
evenly distributed, but that's unlikely. The most intense use probably will be in
the active seasons - winter and summer. If events are to be permittedin the
reconstructed clubhouse, theevents should be limited so that the residents and
neighborhood can have some peace. Events should be limited to not more than
four times each month, with not more than two events each week. Even that
disruption would be a nuisance which would destroy the quality of life in the
neighborhood, but it would be significantly better then the unbridled use which
someone apparently has in mind.
Thedesign of the new clubhouse isn't a single-meeting agenda item to be
dealt with on thebasis of plans which were developed through momentum created
by an extended period of in-house efforts uneffected by and not involving either
the golf community or the neighborhood. The proj ectneeds to go backto the
fundamentals. What can be done in order to create a clubhouseconsistent with the
representations of the Council and the Town which resulted in the approval of the
2011 ballot issue and in a manner which leaves unaffected a golf course
configurationwhich is valued by both the golf community and the neighborhood.
This can be done. We have shown you how it can be done. There is no reason for
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the Town to be so determinedthat it must be done in the destructivemanner which
is now the planned course of action.
The Sunburst neighborhood requests thatthe clubhouse plans, which are the
catalyst for most of the problems involvedin this project, be abandoned and that
the Town go back and initiate that processbased upon the premise that nothing
will happento any part of the 18th hole.
xc: Sunburst Neighborhood
Respe tfully;
Arthur A. Abplanalp, r.
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Hilliard Group, LLC
R. Glenn Hilliard
August 17, 2012
Mayor Andy Daly
Mayor Pro-Term Ludwig Kurz
Town of Vail
Vail, Colorado
Re: Vail Golf/Nordic Expansion
Dear Mayor & Town Council,
Enclosed is a six point position paper and proposal, together with supporting comments
which has been developedin consultation with neighbors as a framework for building a
consensus with the TOV Council, the VRD, golfers and Sunburst area residents on a plan
for moving forward with the redevelopment of the Vail Golf/Nordic Center on a positive
and timely basis.
This documentrepresents a consensus position developed in conjunction with
neighbors and is an attempt to be responsive to all involved constituencies. It resolves
many of the issues raised by golfers, consultants, neighbors, Council members, and
others. We look forward tomeeting with any orall of you or your representatives to
discuss this proposal and to get the process started on renovating the Golf/Nordic
Center in an affordable, voter and tax payerresponsive and timely way.
Thank you for your consideration.
V /% /
R. Glenn Hilliard
1801 Sunburst Drive
Encl.
cc: Town of Vail Council Members:
Kerry Donovan
KevinFoley
Greg Moffet
Margaret Rogers
Susie Tjossem
Stan Zemier, Town Manager
2780Peachtree Road #505 Atlanta, GA 30305
Office: 404-745-9770 rglennhilliard@aol.com
Vaii Golf/Nordic Center Discussion Document
I. Ever r constituency should be enerally acceptin ofthe followin six
point roposal:
1. The clubhouse footprint is kept as it is currentiy sized and
configured.
2. The 120 person current capacity multi-use restaurant is moved to
the north side of thefacility.
3. A coffee shop, bar, bakery, sundryshop, is retained on the south
side of the building within the current restaurant space and
adjoining the existing
18th
green.
4. The par 5
18th hole/green is preserved as is.
5. The required buffers are reestablished and maintained between the
parking lot and each Sunbursthome.
6. A mutually agreeable operational plan relating to activities at the
clubhouse is established and a plan for active management is
developed and maintained.
II. Some of the Advantages of this proposalare:
1. Avoids need and expense of moving
18th
green, the shortening and
the conversation of the
18th hole from a par 5 to a par 4, and the
reduction for competitive purposes of the handicapranking of the
Vail golf course.
2. Creates a multi-use space for 120 persons with a direct Gore Range
view, conforming to identical current goals of the Council, while
separating such functionsfrom the traffic and demands related to
thegolf course and the golfers.
3. Saves approximately $1,000,000 in taxpayer costs/reserves as
estimated for current plans.
Hilliard
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Vail Golf/NordicCenter Discussion Document
4. Returns GolfiNordic Center to a source of profit for town vs. the
money pit and regulatory nightmare it will become with any of the
current redesigns.
5. Creates a multi-use bar/coffee shop/restaurant space to rent to a
localbusiness for these purposes and for limited early/late access
to a few basicssuch as bakeryitems, milk, bananas, aspirin, etc., as
recently requested by residents at prior TOV council meetings.
6. Preserves restaurant/bar facilityfor use of the golfing community in
proximity and with currentorientationtoward existing
18th
green
and related activity.
7. Avoids riskand cost of litigation forTOV andIost time debating and
determining effect of Pulis covenants, safety, and cangestion and
parking issues and other considerations.
8. Puts "heads in beds" in a way and at a cost which can satisfy all
constituencies not simply the hotelowners and assumes that those
heads are profitable for TOV rather thansolely the hotel industry.
9. Resolves conflicts with Sunburst neighborhood and helps preserve
value of homes along
18th
fairway/green and at Vail Golf Course
Townhomes.
10.Minimizescongestion/safety risks in parking lot and along bike path
and Sunburst Drive, helps eliminate event on street parking, while
improving bike/pedestrian/bus safety.
11.Keeps TOV aligned with voters and taxpayers.
12.Provides an "oasis" stop for bikers and walkers along the bike
path/trail.
13.Protects recreationalvalue and integrity of the Vail Golf Course.
14.Avoids unsightty tall nets which are expensive to erect and
maintain.
Hilliard
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Vail Golf/Nordic Center Discussion Document
15.Avoids creating another duplicative 200person wedding venue,
which size was based on marketing assumptions which are
outdated and questionable (ie. 10th restaurant at Mid Vail brings
another 200 person venue on line this fall).
16.Heips avoid TOV competition with loca) businesses.
17.Keeps TOV in appropriate role of representing voters, citizens,
taxpayers rather than being perceived as increasingly oriented
toward business.
18.Resolves in an affordable and golfer friendly way those safety issues
recently claimed by consultants.
19.The entire project can be started and finished in time for 2013 golf
season.
20.Leaves some money in TOV coffers for meeting other urgent
recreation and park needs.
Hilliard
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Vail Yalley
Suite 310
Warner Professional Building 2
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado 81658-2800
Telephone: 970.476.6500
Telecopier. 970.476.4765
To:
From:
Subject:
Date:
Law O ce of
ARTHURA. ABPLANALP, JR.
L.L.C.
www.abplanalplawoffice.com
ArtC AbplanalpLawOffice.com
MEMORANDUM
Vail Town Council
ArthurA. Abplanalp, Jr.
Fort Col(ins
Suite 260
HistoricMillerBlcek
11 Old Town Square
Fort Collins, Colorado 80524
Telephone: 970.482.69(30
TelecoDier: 970.482.6905
Vail Golf Course - Fairway Destruction and Clubhouse Conversion
7 August 2012
Members of the Council:
As the members of the Council are aware, I am one of the attorneys
speaking on behalf of the owners and residents of properties adjacent to the18th
hole of the Vail golf course in connection with the proposalto destroy the 18th
hole as it is currently configured and to enlarge and convert the clubhouse to an
event center. My role on behalf of these owners and residents is to try to facilitate
a resolution of the current conflict between these owners and residents onthe one
hand and the Town and Recreation District on the other.
On the 24th of July, the Town staff had a work session with concerned
residents andowners of the Sunburst neighborhood to discuss the proposal for the
clubhouse. First, the Council should be aware of the fact that those on whose
behalf I speak appreciated this effort, and the effort of the majority of the Council
who attended that meeting. Had such a meeting occurred earlier, it's possible that
none of us would be in the position of trying to put back in the bottle a genie who
has taken on a Iife of its own.
At the July meeting, the Town's staff heard the determination of the
Sunburst neighborhood to oppose the current proposal to destroy the westem third
of the 18th hole of the Vail golf course in order to convert theclubhouse to an
event center. At least two other noteworthy events occurred at that time. First, the
Town staff, and at least six of the seven members of the Council who were
present, had a first-hand experience with the congestion and conflict in uses which
arise when an attempt is made to use theclubhouse as an event center at the same
time it is being used as a golf clubhouse. Althoughonly about thirty people were
present in connection with the work session, traffic and congestionboth outside
and witl in the clubhouse was a mess. The addition of 200 square feet and an
expanded patio to the clubhouse will substantially increasethe congestion and the
conflict between the current uses and will result in mayhem and substantial risk of
injury (other than by golf balls) to the users of the clubhouse, the golf courseand
the bike and walking path. Second, the staff and members of Council present
heard the opinion of a g lfing visitor to Vail regarding the effect oi conversion
and shortening the 18th fairway - further lessening the challenge and value of the
golfing experience on a course which is already permitting teenagers toregularly
shoot scores in the mid-60's. This individual registered the same plea as other
golfers that the Town not change the 18th hole. The golf course isand should be
the "golden goose" of the facility, which should be protected andenhanced, not
diminished or reduced in any way. For thesereasons, the Town andthe VRD
should re-examine their decisionto destroy the western third of the 18th hole and
keep the scale and design of the clubhouse within its current footprint and use.
As currently planned, this project is a financial disaster to the Town and to
the voters. The Town will lose money onoperationsand spend capital reserves
which should be devoted to better uses. The total estimated cost of this project,
with the measures intended to address non-existent perceived safety issues, is
already approximately $7,400,000, without consideration for contingency for the
new safety measures orthe costs of consultants brought on board within recent
months to justify the current plans. Although the Town has indicated itsapproval
of the destruction of the 18th hole andis moving forward on the efforts to design a
clubhouse modified to serve as an event center, the most recent budgetindicates
that, even before the decision to spend an additionalunfunded half million dollars
to address recently perceived safetyconcerns, the Townwould drain its repair
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budget and that of the District, as well as tapping 2013 and 2014 revenues from
amenities fees, to generate a total of more than $1,675,000 to cover what would
otherwise bea shortfall in the project budget. That shortfall, with provision for
contingencies is evengreater. With reference totheperceived safety hazard which
supposedly prompts the destruction of the 18th hole, a request farpublic records
has established that there has been only one report of a golfer struck by an errant
golf ball on the 18th fairway during the last five years - and only three such
incidents on the entire golf course - the other incidents being on #6 and on #13.
The reasoning which promptsexpenditure of the funds to be committed here,
which are ear-marked for other purposes or simply don'texist, is difficult to
understand, where this is occurring in order to cure a non-existent safety problem
for a project which meets with wholesale objection from the neighborhood and
from golfers and violates the Council's commitment made in August, 201 l, as
well as the restrictive covenant in the deed from Pulis Ranch Company affecting
the land. The current plan also creates chaos in the operation of a facility critical
to a golf course which is a central vacation experience of summer visitors to Vail -
as well as the experiences of the local golfing community, andis nonsensical. The
funds should be used to create a world-class golf clubhouse consistent withVail
standards onthe footprint which currently exists, preserving the golf course in its
current condition.
Insummary, this proposal is a financial and legal nightmare and should be
redesigned to do what the community wants and deserves - creating a world-class
clubhouse for a golf course of thebest quality possible. The currentproposal
makes a popular attraction for Vail less amactive for its users and unnecessarily
expends funds in a way which creates problems with congestion which the
Council must recognize based upon its recent experience even on the basis of even
a minor "event center" function. This current proposal doesn't put head in beds
here - it put heads in beds atsome community which has a decent golf course
whichfunctions as such.
The Sunburst neighborhood remains determined to work with the Town in
order to identify a development plan for the golf course club house whieh meets
the needs of the golfing community, is consistent with the commitment made to
the community, and is consistent with the Pulis covenant and the needs of the
community. Resolution of this matter can be achieved, but it must be achieved
while recognizing the commitments of the Town to those affected by its actions,
whether that occurred at the time the golf course was acquired in 1984 or in
August, 2011. The Sunburst neighborhood continues to hope to work with the
Town towardthat goal.
Yc: Sunburst Neighborhood
Vail Recreation District
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Post Office Box 2800
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Telephone: 970.476.6500
Te] ecopi er: 970.476.4765
TownCouncil
Town of Vail
Vail, Colorado
Re:
Law Office of
ARTHUR A. ABPLANALP, JR.
L.L.C.
www.abplanalplawoffice.com
ArtC AbplanalpLawOffice.com
11 July 2012
Fort Collins
Suite 260
Historic Miller Block
11 Old TownSquare
Fort Collins, Colorado 80524
Tel ephone: 9 70.482.6900
Telecopier: 970.482.6905
Proposed Reconfiguration of 18th Fairway andGreen, Vail Golf Course
Members of the Council:
As the members of the Council are aware, this Office has beenengaged byGlenn
Hilliard, the owner of a residence at 1801-A Sunburst Drive, Vail, in association with the
proposal before the Town of Vail to destroy and relocate the 18th green and part of the 18th
fairway of the Vail Golf Course as well as the proposed zone district amendment related to that
action. Mr. Hilliard's property andresidence adjoin the property where thataction is proposed.
Mr. Hilliard has been joined by other residents of Sunburst Drive who are owners and/or
residents of properties adjacentto the threatened area, and as a group they have attemptedto
identify for the benefit of the Council and the Vail Recreation District the many reasons which
warrant abandonment of the current plan. The points and concerns expressed by Mr. Hilliard and
other owners directly to Council are generally shared by all and should be considered by Council
to be a united opposition to the currentplan.
It is the position of Mr. Hilliard and his neighbors that no condition exists which warrants
the relocation of the18th green and fairway from their current location. To convert this area to
an area devoted toevent gatherings, or gatherings of virtually any other public nature, would
constitute a nuisance to the adjoining residences and a violation of the covenant which affects
this property. For these reasons, among others, Mr. Hilliard and hisneighbors respectfully
request that the 18th green and fairway be left in their current configuration.
It was originally our understandingthat the action proposed for the 18thgreen and
fairway was based upon the perceived need for construction of additionalparking and an outdoor
events venue in connection with an expansion of the Vail golf course clubhouse. At the Council
meeting on the 3rd of July, the focus with reference to theneed to take the proposed action
seemed to shift to safety and a perceived mandate related to the vote approving the expenditure
of taxes collected for a conferencecenter. For that reason, thisletter deals primarily with those
two subj ects with which the Council seems to be concerned.
Safety:
The Council has identified three areas of concern with reference to safety, none of which
constitute existing problems warranting the destruction and relocation of the 18thgreen andthe
western third of the 18th fairway. These areas of concern axe (1) golf balls from the driving
range landing on the 18th fairway, (2) the proximity of residences adj acent to 18thgreen and the
westernpart of the 18th fairway, and (3) the danger posed to a proposed commercial events
venue east andlor south of the clubhouse. Far the reasons noted below, none of these reasons
warrant the action under consideration.
1. - golf balls from the driving range landing on the 13th fairway - The Town's expert in
golf course design has indicated that golf balls hit from the driving range sometimes land on the
18th fairway, and that, for this reason, the portion of the 18th fairway affected should be
deactivated as a fairway. There are at least three problems with this logic.
a. Although the expert did not display the results of any study on the north side of
the driving range, the effect of the existence of the driving rangeon the l Oth
fairway tothe north of the range is likely identical to the effect on the18th
fairway. If the impact area on the 18th fairway is to be deactivated, then the same
logic dictates that the impact area on the l Oth fairway should be deactivated, and
the hole should be converted to a par 3, if it can remain in existence at all.
b. The approach under consideration wouldeffectively "sterilize" the impact
areas on the 18th fairway againstany use whatsoever. The impact area would
become a vacuum where no activity whatsoever could occur. Real estate owned
by the Town of Vail doesn't remain a vacuum, whether sterilized or not.
c. Finally, in recognizing the fact that any abandoned part of the 18th fairway will
not long remain unused, it must be observed that virtually any use of that ground
will create greater risk for the Town thanits current risk. For example, where
perhaps as many as twenty golfers (five foursomes) briefly travel the 18th fairway
during an hour on a busy day, a venue for events would result in 200 or more
individuals being exposed to the perceived hazard for an extended period of time.
Any such existing hazard would be increased by a factor of ten times (20 vs. 200)
if the Town were to take the direction currently proposed. This impact would be
aggravated by the fact that, while golfers almost certainlywould haveassumed the
risk of injury by errant golf balls while engaged in the sport, persons attending an
event would not be subject to such an"assumption of risk" defense.
In reality, the minimal and fleeting threat posed to golfers on the l Oth and 18th fairway suggests
that no change whatsoever is requiredto the current configuration of the golf course or the use of
conventional golf balls on the driving range.
If part of the 18th fairway is vacated, at some point in the future the Town will certainly identify
a need for this area and will conclude that there is only one answerto thebroader problem. A
change in the 18th fairway and green deal with only one aspect of the perceived risk and does not
deal with the l Oth fairway or the virtual certainty of altemative uses for the part of the 18th
fairway proposed for abandonment. The Town controls the balls used onthe driving range, and
it is the height and distance traveledby those balls which creates the threat, to the extent any
threat exists. The only universal solution to the perceivedthreat is the conversion of the driving
range to the use of golf balls which travel a shorter distance and, more importantly, do not attain
the height necessary to clear thefence surrounding the driving range. If there actually is a threat,
the question isn't whether this action will be taken, but when. If the Council believes a threat
exists, then thisaction is inevitable, andbecause the18th fairway can be saved only at this time,
the point intime to changetherange ball supply to shorter distance balls is now.
2. - the proximity of residences adjacentto 18th green and the western part of the18th
fairway - The Town's golf course expert believes that golf balls hit from the 18th fairway can
strayonto the residential properties adjacentto the western part of that fairway. The residents
indicate that this rarely occurs. However,
a. As previously pointed out, it is these owners who are objecting to the
relocation of the adjacent fairway and green, notwithstanding the fact that they
may be affected by the activity on the golf course. These people live nextto the
golf course so that they canhave the experience of being next to the golf course,
and they recognize that there is a risk involved.
b. Of greater importance in establishing the fallacy of this concern is the fact that
relocation of the 18th green and elimination of the westernpart of the18th
fairway will not eliminate the risk with which the Town is concerned. Rather the
proposed action will shift that risk to the east, creating an impact area on
properties which, at this time, have significantly less risk as an impact area. These
are properties whose owners have hadno notification of their increased exposure,
and the Town has no information from these owners regarding whetherthey do or
do notwish to assume the risk which the owners and residents around the current
18th green know and with which they are comfortable. Becausethe risk with
which the Town is concernedis not eliminated but is shifted to those who are not
now under that risk, without their knowledge, this safetyargument is without any
logic.
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3. - the danger posed to an events venue east and/ar south of the clubhouse - Perceived
risk to an events venue east and/or south of the clubhouse has at leastthree central problems.
a. First, this perceived risk is not now in existence. This risk only becomes real if
the Council andthe Vail Recreation District create an outdoor events venue in the
impacted area. By changing the location of any events venue, ar by creating an
events venue which is either (i) interior or (ii) rooftop butprotected or (iii)
exterior but protected, the risk vanishes.
b. Secondly, because the currently proposed events venue does not now exist, the
Town is creating its own problem and then justifying changes which impact the
neighborhood (removing the golf course impact from some properties and shifting
that risk to other properties) in order to resolve a problem which is being created
unnecessarily. Again, there is no logic to the proposed course of action.
c. Finally, as noted above, the location of an eventsvenue on the part of the 18th
fairway will actually increase any exposure of the Town associated with errant
golf balls originating on the driving range, rather than eliminate that risk.
For thereasons noted above, none of rationales relied upon by the Town warrant or
necessitate the destruction or relocation of the 18th greenand fairway.
Voter mandate:
The Town has on severaloccasions referred to its position that the approval of the
expenditure of conference centerfunds has given it a clear direction to create an exterior events
center in the axea of the golf course clubhouse. While some who were exceptionally involved in
the development of the ballot question or the related planning may have been aware that an
external eventcenter was part of someone's plan, the ballot question didnot reflect any such
proposed direction ar plan. The best information available indicatesthat the ballot question was,
in pertinent part, whether the Town should use the remainingconvention center funds for the
Expansion and improvement of the ciccbhouse at the Vail Golf Course and Nordic Center,
including multi-use community space; ....(Emphasis added)
It is important to note that the ballot question in no way indicated that the program would involve
or require the destruction andlorappropriation of any part of the 18th hole. On the contrary, the
use of the word "including" clearly indicates that the expansion and improvement of the
clubhouse would "include" the multi-use community space, i.e., that the community space would
be interior to and/or a part of the clubhouse. The input which the Council has heard from the
golfing community has confirmed this popular reading and understanding of the proposal.
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The Town has received no voter mandate for the destruction or relocation of any part of
the 18th fairway or the18thgreen.
Other Considerations:
Apart from the lack of justificationfor the abandonment of the western part of the 18th
hole of the Vail golf course, there exist at least four other considerations which require
withdrawal of the current proposal.
The covenantsassociated with the 1984 deed through which the Town acquired the
subject properly prohibit the use of the propertywhich includes the 18thhole for any purpose
other than a"public golf course or open space or park for the benefit of the public and only such
other related support facilities required for those purposes". The conversion of part of this
propertyinto an events center for the purpose of putting "heads in beds" is a commercial use
which violates that covenant. That covenant was and is enforceable by the successors and
assigns of the Pulis Ranch Company. Available information indicates that theowners of the
properties on Sunburst Drive are successorsand assigns of the Pulis RanchCompany entitled to
enforce that covenant. Mr. Hilliard does not wish toplaced in the position of being required to
enforce that covenant, nor do Iunderstand any of the other property ownersto be determined to
take such a direction. If, however, the former Pulis Ranch property is converted to a use which
violates that covenant, he, or any of his neighbars, may be compelled to consider that course of
action as the onlyavailable remedy.
A second concern is the fact that virtually any use of the part of the 18th hole under
consideration for abandonment will, if abandoned, be convertedto a use inconsistent with the
ability of the neighboring property owners to quietly enjoy their property. Of particular concern
is the virtual certaintythat noise associated with the activities in this area will constitute a
nuisance to the neighboring properties and that the proximity of large numbers of people in this
area will result in an invasion of privacy. The golf coursewas conveyed to the Town of Vail and
established as part of an overall plan for that golf course, open space or park for the benefit of the
neighboring properties. The owners of those properties are entitled to continuing recognition of
this plan, whether through respect of the original covenant or otherwise.
Another consideration is the reality that, if the Town closes part of the 18th fairway as
proposed but does not eliminate other similar hazards, such as the threat to golfers on the l Oth
fairway ortopedestrian and bicycle traffic passingunderthe tee of the 16th hole, then the Town
will have effectively acknowledged the existence of a threat at one location without having dealt
appropriately with the threats at other locations where the same threatsexist. Any partyinjured
in one of those virtually identical situations would have an easier case demonstrating that the
Town has onlyselectively corrected an identified problem, and that he or she suffered injury
because the Town did not take identicalaction wherever the perceived threat exists.
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Finally, it must be recognized that (a) the conversion of properties from golf course
properties into properties which front on vacant land whose future is largely unpredictable, and
b) the noise and disturbance associated with activities in a commercial event venue, constituting
a nuisance in every sense of the word, will have a catastrophic effect on the values of the
properties currently adjacent to the western third of the18th fairway. While we have attempted
to focuson the interests of the Town of Vail andthe golfingpublic, andthe fallacies of the
justifications offered for the reconfiguration of the 18th fairway, the impact onowners and
residents who have long relied on the development plan created in the 1970's and confirmedin
the 1984 deed to the Town of Vail cannot be ignored. The Town accepted the 1984 deed subject
to a covenant which was clearly intended to perpetuate a plan which provided for the Sunburst
Drive lots to enjoy golf course frontage, and the Town has a moral, as well as a legal, obligation
to respect that plan and the reliance of owners and residents on that plan.
Options:
Although Mr. Hilliard cannot speak for each of his neighbors in this regard, it is possible
that action might be taken to protect the interests of the Town of Vail while insuring the
continued existence of the 18th fainvay and green in their current configuration. If there is a
desire to protect the interests of the Town of Vail while insuring the continued existence of the
18th fairway and green in their current configuration, Mr. Hilliard would be willing to work with
the Town and hisneighbors to subject the properties of concern with respecttoerrant golf balls
to a covenant of generally the following content, consistent with recent golf course development:
Every Lot subject to this covenant is subject to an easement permitting golf balls
unintentionally to come upon the Lots adjacentto the golf course, and the owners of each
such Lot, for themselves and their successors and assigns, agree that neither such owners,
nor their successors and assigns, shall make any claim against the Town of Vail nor the
Vail Recreation District, nor any councilperson, officer, director, employee or agent of
either, while acting in such capacity, as a result of injury ar properiy damage resulting
from such errant golf balls being unintentionally hit onto any of the Lots. The existence
of this easement shall not relieve golfers of liability for damage caused byerrant golf
balls. "
With reference to any perceived threat from the driving range, it has been suggested by
some in the golf community that a monitor might be stationed at the driving range to enforce a
control preventingconventional balls from carrying over the fence which surroundsthe driving
range. If this step were coupled with signage advising those using the driving range that their use
of the range will be terminated if a ball is hit over thefence, thenthis might bean effective step
in preventing errant balls from landing on either the l Oth or the18th fairway, saving both. While
there would be a cost to such action, that cost would not approach the more than $350,000 which
will be requiredto reconfigure the 18th fairway and green.
Summarv:
As noted in the previous communication to the Council on behalf of Mr. Hilliard in
connection with the proposed zone district amendment, we submit that it is the Town's duty to be
certainthat activities motivated by its own perceived needs and agenda are undertaken only with
appropriate recognition and respect for the legitimate rights and expectations of its residents and
property owners.
Once again, Mr. Hilliard wishes to thank the members of the Council for their
consideration of his concerns, the concerns of his neighbars, and the opinions of the golfing
community in preserving a recreational asset of the Town of Vail of importance to all.
xc: Mr. Glenn Hilliard
Board of Directors, Vail Recreation District
Mr. Matt Mire, Town Attorney
Mr. Greg Hall, Director of PublicWorks
Mr. Bill Gibson, Department of Community Development
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Proposed Reconfiguration of 18th Fairway and Green, Vail Golf Course
Members of the Council:
As the members of the Council axe aware, this Office has been engaged byGlenn
Hilliard, the o vner of a residence at 1801-A Sunburst Drive, Va.il, in association with the
proposal before the Town of Vail to destroy and relocate the 18th green and part of the18th
fairway of the Vail Golf Course as well as the proposed zone district amendment related to that
action. Mr. Hilliard's property and residence adjoin the property where that action is proposed.
NIr. Hilliard has been joinedby other residents of Sunburst Drive who are owners and/or
residents of propertiesadjacent to the threatened area, and as a group they have attempted to
identifyfor the benefit of the Council and the Vail Recreation District the many reasons vhich
warrant abandonment of the currentplan. The points and concerns expressed by Mr. Hilliard and
other owners directly to Council are generally shared by all and should be considered by Council
to be a unitedopposition tothe current plan.
It is the position of Mr. Hilliard and his neighbors that no condition exists which warrants
the relocation of the18th green and fairway fromtheir current location. To convert this area to
an area devoted to event gatherings, or gatherings of virtually any other public nature, would
constitute a nuisance to the adjoining residences and a violation of the covenant which affects
this property. For thesereasons, among others, NIr. Hilliard and his neighbors respectfully
requestthat the 18thgreen and fairway be left in their current configuration.
It was originally our understanding that the action proposed for the 18thgreen and
fairway was based upon the perceived need for construction of additional parking and an outdoor
events venue inconnection with an eYpansion of the Vail golf course clubhouse. At the Council
meeting on the 3rd of July, the focus with reference to the need to take the proposed action
seemed to shift to safety and a perceived mandate related to the vote approving the expenditure
of taxes collected for a conference center. For that reason, this letter deals primarily with those
two subjects with which the Council seems to be concerned.
Safety:
The Council has identified three areas of concern with reference to safety, none of which
constitute existing problems warranting the destruction and relocation of the 18th green and the
western third of the 18th fauway. These areas of concern are (1) golf balls from the driving
range landing on the 18th fairway, (2) the proximity of residences adjacent to 18th green and the
western part of the18th fairway, and (3) the danger posed to a proposed commercial events
venue east and/or south of the clubhouse. For the reasons noted below, none of these reasons
warrant the action underconsideration.
1. - golf balls from the driving range landing on the 18th fairway - The To vn's expert in
golf course desi n has indicated that golf balls hit from the driving range sometimesland on the
18th fairway, and that, for this reason, the portion of the18th fairway affected should be
deactivated as a fairway. There are at least three problems with this logic.
a. Although the expert did not display the results of any studyon the north side of
the driving range, the effect of the existence of the driving rangeon the lOth
fairway to the north of the range is likely identical to the effect on the 18th
fairway. If the impact area on the 18th fairway is to be deactivated, then thesame
logic dictates that the impact area on the l Oth fairway should be deactivated, and
ihe hole should be converted to a par 3, if it can remain in existence at all.
b. Theapproach under consideration would effectively "sterilize" the impact
areas on the 18th fairway against any use whatsoever. The impact area would
become a vacuum where no activity whatsoever could occur. Real estate owned
by the Town of Vail doesn't remain a vacutun, whether sterilized or not.
c. Finally, in recognizing the fact that any abandoned part of the 18th fairway will
not long remain unused, it must be observed that virtually any use of that ground
will create greater risk for the Town thanits current risk. For example, where
perhaps as many as twenty golfers (five foursomes) briefly travel the 18th fairway
during an hour on a busy day, a venue for events would result in 200 or more
individuals being exposed to the perceived hazard for an extended period of time.
Any such e sting hazard would be increased by a factor of ten times (20vs. 200)
if the Town were totake the direction currently proposed. This impactwould be
aggravated by the factthat, while golfersalmost certainly would have assumed the
risk of injury by errant golf balls while engaged in thesport, persons attending an
event would not be subjectto such an"assumption of risk" defense.
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In reality, the minimal and fleeting threat posed to golfers on the l Oth and 18th fairway suggests
that no change whatsoever is required to the current configuration of the golf course or the use of
conventional golf balls on the driving range.
If part of the 18th fairway is vacated, atsome point in the future the Town will certainly identify
a need for this area and will conclude that there is only one answer to the broader problem. A
change in the 18th fairway and greendeal with only one aspect of the perceived risk and does not
deal with the lOth fairway or the virtual certainty of alternative uses for the part of the 18th
fairway proposed for abandoriment. The Town controls the balls used on the driving range, and
it is the height and distance traveled by tliose balls which creates the threat, to the extent any
threat exists. The only universal solution to the perceived threat is the conversion of the driving
range to the use of golf balls which travel a shorter distance and, more importantly, do not attain
the height necessary to clearthe fence surrounding the driving range. If there actually is a threat,
the question isn't whetherthis action will be taken, but when. If the Council believes a threat
exists, then thisaction is inevitable, and because the 18th fairway can be saved only at this time,
the point in timeto change the range ball supply to shorter distance balls isnow.
2. - the proximity of residences adjacent to 18th green and the western part of the 18th
fairway - The Town's golf course expert believes that golf balls hit from the 18th fairway can
stray onto the residential properties adjacent to the western paxt of that fairway. The residents
indicate thatthis rarely occt rs. However,
a. As previously pointed out, it is these o vners vho are objecting to the
relocation of the adjacent fairway and green, notwithstanding the fact thatthey
may be affectedby the activity on the golf course. These people live next to the
golf course so that they can have the experience of being next to the golf course,
and they recognize that there is a riskinvolved.
b. Of greater importance in establishing the fallacy of this concern is the fact that
relocation of the 18thgreen and elimination of the western part of the 18th
fairway will noteliminate the risk with which the Town isconcerned. Ratherthe
proposed action will shift that risk to the east, creating an impact area on
properties which, at this time, have significantly less risk as an impact area. These
are properties whoseowners have had no notification of their increased exposure,
and the Town has no information from these owners regarding whether they do or
do not wish to assume the risk which the owners and residents around the current
18th green know and with which they are comfortable. Because the risk with
which the Town is concerned is not eliminated but is shifted to those who are not
now underthat risk, without their knowledge, this safety argument is without any
logic.
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3. - the dangerposed to an events venue east andlor south of the clubhouse - Perceived
risk to an events venue east and/or south of the clubhouse has at least three central problems.
a. First, this perceived risk is not now in existence. This risk only becomes real if
the Council and the Vail Recreation District create an outdoor events venue in the
impacted area. By changing the location of any events venue, or by creating an
events venue which is either (i) interior or (ii) rooftop but protectedar(iii)
exterior but protected, the risk vanishes.
b. Secondly, because the currently proposed events venue does not now exist, the
Town is creating its own problem and then justifying changes which impact the
neighborhood (removing the golf course impact from some properties and shifting
that risk to other properties) in order to resolve a problem which is being created
unnecessarily. Again, there is no logic to theproposed course of action.
c. Finally, as noted above, the location of an events venue on the part of the 18th
fairway will actually increaseany exposure of the Town associated with errant
golf balls originating on the driving range, ratherthan eliminate that risk.
For the reasons noted above, none of rationales relied uponby the Town warrant or
necessitate the destruction or relocation of the18thgreen and fairway.
Voter mandate:
The Town has on several occasions referred to its position that the approval of the
expenditure of conferencecenterfunds has given it a clear direction to create an exterior events
center in the area of the golf course clubhouse. While some who were exceptionally involvedin
the development of the ballot question or the related planning may have been aware that an
external event center was part of someone's plan, the ballot question did not reflect any such
proposed direction or plan. The best information available indicates that the ballot question was,
in pertinent part, whether the Town should use the remainingconvention center funds far the
Expansion and improvement of the cla bhouse at the Va.il Golf Course and Nordic Center,
including multi-use community space; ....(Emphasis added)
It is important to note that the ballot question in no wayindicated that the program wouldinvolve
orrequire the destruction and/or appropriation of any part of the 18th hole. On the contrary, the
use of the word "including" clearly indicates that the expansion and improvement of the
clubhouse would "include" the multi-use community space, i.e., that the community space would
be interior to and/or a part of theclubhouse. The input which the Council has heard from the
golfing community has confirmed this popular reading and understanding of the proposal.
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The Town has received no voter mandate for the destruction or relocation of any part of
the 13th fairway or the 18th green.
Other Considerations:
Apart from the lack of justification for the abandonment of the western part of the 18th
hole of the Vail golf course, there exist at least four other considerations which require
withdrawal of the current proposal.
The covenantsassociated with the 1984 deed through which the Town acquired the
subject property prohibit the use of the property which includes the 18th hole for anypurpose
other than a"public golf course or open space or park for the benefit of the public and only such
other relatedsupport facilities require d for those purposes". The conversion of part of this
property into an events center for thepurpose of putting "heads in beds" is a commercial use
which violates that covenant. That covenant was and is enforceable by the successorsand
assigns of the Pulis Ranch Company. Available information indicates that the owners of the
properties on Sunburst Drive are successors and assigns of the Pulis RanchCompany entitledto
enforce that covenant. Mr. Hilliard does notwish to placed in the position of beingrequired to
enforce that covenant, nor do I understand any of the other property owners to be determinedto
take such a direction. If, however, the former Pulis Ranchproperry is converted to a use which
violates that covenant, he, or any of his neighbors, may be compelled to considerthat course of
action as the only availableremedy.
A second concernis the fact that virtually any use of the part of the 18th hole under
consideration for abandonment will, if abandoned, be converted to a use inconsistent with the
ability of the neiDhboring property owners to quietly enjoy their property. Of particular concern
is the virtual certainty that noise associated with the activities in this area will constitute anuisancetotheneighboringpropertiesandthattheproximityoflargenumbersofpeoplein this
area will result in an invasion of privacy. The golf coursewas conveyed tothe Town of Vail andestablishedaspartofanoverallplanforthatgolfcourse, open space or park for the benefit of the
neighboring properties. The owners of those properties are entitled to continuing recognition of
this plan, whether through respect of the original covenant or otherwise.
Another considerationis the reality that, if the Town closes part of the18th fairway as
proposed but does not eliminate other similar hazards, such as the threat to golfers on the l Oth
fairway or to pedestrian and bicycle traffic passing under the tee of the 16th hole, then the Townvillhaveeffectivelyacknowledgedtheexistenceofathreatatonelocationwithouthavingdealt
appropriately with the threats at otherlocations where the same threats e st. Any party injuredinoneofthosevirtuallyidenticalsituationswouldhaveaneasiercasedemonstratingthatthe
Town has only selectively corrected an identifiedproblem, and that he or she suffered injury
because the Towndid not take identical action wherever the perceivedthreat exists.
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Finally, it must be recognized that (a) the conversion of properties from golf course
properties into properties which front on vacant land whose future is largely unpredictable, and
b) the noise and disturbance associated with activities in a commercial eventvenue, constituting
a nuisance in every sense of the word, will have a catastrophic effect on the values of the
properties currently adjacentto the western third of the18th fairway. While we have attempted
to focus on the interests of the Town of Vail and the golfing public, and the fallacies of the
justifications offered for the reconfiguration of the 18th fairway, the impact on owners and
residents who have longrelied on the development plan created in the 1970's and confirmed in
the 1984 deed to the Town of Vail cannot be ignored. The Town accepted the 1984 deed subject
to a covenant which was clearly intended to perpetuate a plan which provided for the Sunburst
Drive lots to enjoy golf course frontage, and the Town has a moral, as well as a legal, obligation
to respect thatplan and the reliance of owners and residentson that plan.
Options:
Although Mr. Hilliard cannot speak for each of hisneighbors in this regard, it is possible
that action might be taken to protect the interests of the Town of Vail while insurin the
continued e stence of the 18th fairway and green in their current configuration. If there is a
desire to protect theinterests of the Town of Vail while insuring the continued existence of the
18th fairway and green in their current configuration, Mr. Hilliard would be willing to work with
the Town and hisneighbors to subject the properties of concern with respect toerrant golf balls
to a covenant of generally the following content, consistent with recent golf course development:
Every Lot subject to thiscovenant is subject to an easement permittin golf balls
unintentionally to come upon the Lots adjacentto the golf course, and the owners of each
such Lot, for themselves and their successors and assigns, agree that neither such owners,
nor their successors and assigns, shall makeany claim against the Town of Vail nor the
Vail Recreation District, nor any councilperson, officer, director, employee or agent of
either, while acting in such capacity, as a result of injury or property damage resulting
from such errant golf ballsbeing unintentionally hit ontoany of the Lots. The existence
of this easement shall not relievegolfers of liability for damage caused by errant golf
balls. "
With reference to any perceivedthreat from the driving range, it has beensuggested by
some in the golf community that a monitor might be stationed at the driving range to enforce a
control preventing conventional balls from carrying over the fence which surrounds the driving
range. If this step were coupled with signage advising those using the driving range that their use
of the range will be terminated if a ball is hit over the fence, then this might be an effective step
in preventing errant balls from landing on either the l Oth or the 18th fairway, saving both. While
there would be a cost to such action, that cost would not approach the more than $350,000 which
will be required to reconfigure the 18th fairway and green.
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Summarv:
As noted in the previous communication to the Council on behalf of Mr. Hilliard in
connection with the proposed zone district amendment, we submit that it is the Town's duty to be
certain that activities motivated by its own perceived needs andagenda are undertaken only with
appropriate recognition and respect for the legitirnaterights and expectations of its residents and
property owners.
Once again, Mr. Hilliard wishesto thank the members of the Council for their
consideration of his concerns, the concerns of his neighbors, and the opinions of the golfing
community in preserving a recreational asset of the Town of Vail of importance to all.
xc: Mr. Glenn Hilliard
Board of Directors, Vail Recreation District
Mr. Matt Mire, Town Attorney
NIr. Greg Hall, Director of PublicWorks
Mr. Bill Gibson, Department of Community Development
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investment in preseiving rhis blessing.
r1s anv business owner knows, w se-
ly investing to preserveand strei th-
en one's business is crucial to rea zing
hittu e success. But any busines own-
er is also looking to achieve sig ilicant
leverage fi-om one's invesmint. Are
ve?
Chanks to our properry r x dollacs
being matched by significai amounts
of conservation-related utds 6•om
outside of Eagle C ui y, ve are
achieving significant I erage from
ourinvesti7lent. "fhe e matching
fundscome in many fo ms, including
very competitive) fe eraland sCate
grants, as vell as f eral and state
income tas benefits arned by vohm-
t iry private-secto parties making
charitable donati ns of conservation
casemerits that Il last forever.
Ve should a o note thaC ail of us
evho are voti g residei ts of Eagle
Coiinry bene greatly from nonvoting
second-hot e owners who are paying
more than tlle majoriry of tlie opetl
space [as roceeds funding this pro-
gram an evho are veiy su portive of
dte pro}am.
I or 11 of the abovereasons, as a
found r and co-manager of a business
for t ree decades, L commend our
ope space program as a great ii vest-
ilic t for preseiving lifesryle ai d eco-
or vforallofus.
DavidSmith Edwards
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the council and the recreationboard
re so cietermii ed to defy tlle major-
ity ancl move forward with this proj-
ect. Who, exactly, do they tt ink they
represent?
Why ire the homeo vners on Sun-
burst Drivebeingforced to accept a
project thaC clearly diminishestheir
properry values md quality of life?
Obviously, none of the council mein-
berslives any°vhere near the project,
o tlley simply do i't care. Where are
he people who forced a special elec-
ion for Solaris?
It's time to standup ai d put an end
o the arroganceof our "I'own Council
nd recreation boardand remiud
hem that they are elected to represent
all of the people of VaiL Has anyone
made a lucid, fact-based argument in
favor of this project? No one has
because noone can.
n previous letiers I have vritten
concerni g the golf course project, I,
tikE many, tiave raisedmany issues
and asked many questions. "1'he
answers ro these questions have no v
become verv clear.
I asked if the project fitsdie land it
is proposed to be built on. lt does not.
At least not without rezoning.
I asked if the project fits with the
use pennit and covenants. It does not.
At least not vithout ignoring them.
1 aske l if there was actual clemand
for this and where w is it c ming from.
There is none. t least none that can
be documented.
asked how the town would miti-
gate the impact on homeownexs. i
They can'[. At least not vithout get-
ting sued. 1'he question now is why
Rick Silverman Vail
Irrelevant to race
Che Erziuge case has made its v y
into the listrict attorney's race, L it [
am not sure why.'fhat is the case romY
2010 in which a WaIL Street bai er hit
u l icyclist and vas give a gr at plea
deal.
Neithercandidate vas involved
evith the case, and both andidates
have said thatthey disagr e with how
the case vas handled.
So why is Scott'['urne 's oppouent
bringing up that case ow? E3ecause
he wants to fool youin Thinking that
a Z-year-old case is r levant so that
you will get angry.
We don't need thi type of negative
campaigning i the istrict attorney's
race.
Scott 'Curner r cently asked his
opponent to na justone case that
he believes NIr.'T rner handledincor-
rectly. He can ot nameone, even
though Mr. Tu ner has been a prose-
cutor for 10 ears and has handled
hundreds, if ot thousands, of cases.
That is a rec rd to stand on!
I, like otl rs in the community, feel
that Erzi >er did not get p mished
enough. think diat message was
made lo d and clear to Mark Hurlbert,
the dis ict attorney. [ am sure is vas
one c the reasons as to vhyhis
atte pt to get rid of term limits failed.
E3 t since neither candidate was
inv ived inthat case and Mark is not
r ning, we should make a decision
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sed ou what they riav ne and not
iat somebody else s done.
encourage yo 'to vote for Scott
irnec, die y can lidate vith
perience
Jennifer Wooiley Edwards
to sermons
The Rev. Van Ens claims to be a
resbyterian minister and heads up
n adjunct nonprofit and tax exemp
ntity ("Creative Growth"), so
ould expect that liis veekly co -
entary in this paper would h• ve
mething to do with religion or cu-
enically oriented issues — at east
the extent of maintaining a tax
empt status under IRS co e sec-
on 501(c)(3).
A church may garner an retain
wealth because of its religio s status.
It is exempt fi•omincome d ad val-
em taxes if, and onlv if, toperates
vithin the con6nes and c nstraints of
die code. Otherwise, it w uld be rele-
gated tospreading its w alCh through
tasation like the rest of rivate enter-
prise. "Spreading the vealth" is a
cutch-word for a soci: mindset, and
this is a Van 8ns and O zmanisCic core
belief.
I'he Rev. Van Ens' commentary of
Oct 14 ftas very lit e to do vith reli-
gious issues and is Il about panoting
his political opin' ns and socialistic
pronouncement on how to fix and
ma age the Am rican econon y.
n fact, there as ontyone reference
ta the Bibte F'roverbs :2d) in his
cummentary and that pertaineil to
his conceptic and aspersion of Rom-
ney not beit candid. nbama, as usu-
al, was give a Van Ens pass.
Hypocri cally, the reverend
averred: ° sn't it inconsistent that
American , who like tax breaks chich
redistrib te wealth their way, are
offende by forms of socialisiu Chat
lielp the oor?"
n as much as the Presbvteri in
denom iation and/or "Creative
Growt " entity (through the procla-
matioi s and declarations of Van Cns)
have iled to comply with the spirit
and p ovisions of the lRS code, would
it no be proper and candid for those
inst uCions to now forego their tax
exe lpt privileges and sl are tlieir
we lth withthe poor? In other tvords,
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Dale Bugby
Bruce Fraser
Michael Schwartz
Steven Thompson
Eric Taylor
Scott Savage
Geordy Ogden
Carolyn DeLuca
Susan Newsam
Stephen Collins
Pete Nelson (fax)
Yeter Woods
Bob Essin
13ill Nutt
Trudy Howe
John Carlson
MegChristensen
Dennis Koller
Linda DeLaria
Jeff Potto
DavidGoldstein
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RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th ` and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "GinnyWise" <gwiseco@gmail.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 11:33 AM
To: "'Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr."' <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I AM opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the
clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an event center
Thank you,
Ginny Wise, CPA
Wise Software Solutions
Office: 303.351•3794
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. [mailto:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
Thiscommunication follows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golfcommunityearlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an eventcenter. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections tothe program referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Townin
une and ]uly are no longer valid, because meetings haveoccurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if that werethe case,
but those withwhom we are working in oppositionthe pending programconsiderthegolfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of thepositionof the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole ofthe Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (ornever were) opposed to the plan to destroy the18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
10/15/2012 1:52 PM
RE: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Y° and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "Todd Hatami" <todd@ridenl.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 11:35 AM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Hi Art,
I'm am a current Vail Golf Club Pass Holder and am opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole andto
convert theclubhouse into an eventcenter !
Thank you,
Todd Hatami
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. [mailto:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members ofthe Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golfcommunity earlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to the program referred to above whichwere registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only twopersons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending program consider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be
aware of that. •
In view of thepositionof the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an eventcenter.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesyof your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
Vail, Colorado 81658
1 .,F 10/15/2012 1:52 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th "-le and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Todd Rash <toddrash@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 11:41 AM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
totally opposed to the destruction of any part of the golf course!
open space is so hard to come by in the vail valley, no change to
18!!!
NO
A.Todd Rash
toddrash@yahoo.com
volkl / marker western competition service
po 3051 VAIL, COLORADO, 81658
SHIP/ 141 MIELE LANE ,EDWARDS COLORAD0,81632
970 390 8162
From: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier thisweek related tothe destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and the conversion of theclubhouse and neighboring areas of the
golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressedthe believe
that the objections to the program referred toabove which were registered by
golfers with theTown in June and Julyare no longer valid, because meetings have
occurred with the golf community and onlytwo persons remain opposedto the
program. We would be surprisedif that were the case, but thosewith whom we
are working in opposition the pending programconsiderthe golfing community to
be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
Inview of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a
whole), please take a moment torespond tothis e-mail and let me know
whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course
1 of 2 10/15/2012 1:52 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th F' '° and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse
to...
From: Michellejuly11@aol.com
Date: 10/12/2012 11:45 AM
To: Art@AbpianalpLawOffice.com
I am VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED to thedestruction of the 18th hole and Conversion of the
Clubhouse!!!!!!! There is no doubt that the clubhouse needsmajor renovation, BUT
THATS ALL it needs. The footprint should stay the same.
Michelle Nordin, 600 Vail Valley Drive.
F, 10/15/2012 1:52 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Y' and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Bob Zeltman <bobzeltman@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 11:47AM
To: " Jr.Arthur A. Abplanalp" <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Hi Art, I am definately opposed to the Town Councils plan and have attended several
meetings and written emails to the town council and the Vail Daily! Thanks, Bob Zeltman.
OnFri, 10/12/12, Arthur A. Abplanalp,lr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com> wrote:
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
To:
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:39 AM
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlierthisweek related tothe destruction of the 18th hole
of the Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and
neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the
believe that the objectionsto the program referred to above whichwere
registered by golfers withthe Town in June and July are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurredwith the golf community and only two
personsremain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that
were the case, but those withwhom weare working in oppositionthe
pending program consider the golfing community to bean imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town
government as a whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail
and let me know whether-
a) you are opposedto the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or neverwere) opposedto the plan to destroy the
18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and
neighboring golf course area into an event center.
1 of2 nii i ni i one
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'- 'e and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Jason Plante <jasonskisvail@gmail.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 1:02 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
Dear Art, My name is Jason Plante and I received you email, thank you for your hard work. I
am a 23 year resident of Vail and I am completely opposed to the plan to destroy number
18. The town uses the excuse that 18 is a danger zone, that is false, they should look at
other holes where the danger is worse. My telephonenumber is (970)-390=6080. Thanks
again for the hard work. Jason T. Plante
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlierthisweek related to the destruction of the 18thhole of the
Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas
of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the
believe that the objections to the program referred to above which were
registered by golfers with the Town in June and July are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurred with the golf community and only two
persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were
the case, but those with whom we are working in oppositionthe
pending program consider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government
as a whole), please take a moment torespondto this e-mail and let me know
whether-
a) you are opposedto the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposedto the plan to destroy the
18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and
neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult toidentify, includiing
your name would be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy ofyour reply.
ZOf2 1f1/1S/(11 1•K2PM
Re: Vait Golf Course- Destruction of 18th F' '° and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Dale Bugby <DaleFromVail@Hotmail.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 1:27 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I arn strongly opposed to anychanges to the golf course and clubhouse as proposed.
Dale Bugby
970-390-9600 m
On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:39 PM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
wrote:
Members ofthe Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community
earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areasof the golf course to an event center.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections to theprogram referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town
in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if
that were the case, butthose with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider thegolfing community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
if that's not the case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole),
please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to
convert the clubhouse and neighboringgolf course area into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed tothe plan to destroy the 18th hole of the
Vail Golf Courseand to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an
event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would
be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
1 nf7 1fl/1K/f11 1•S'PM
Re: Vail GolfCourse- Destruction of 18th'" ', and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "bruce fraser" <brucerfraser@msn.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 1:34 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp,lr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
Dear Mr. Abplanalp Jr.;
I would like to voice my objection and clearly state; "I am opposed to the plan to destroy the18th
hole of the Vail Golf Courseand to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center"
Sincerely,
Bruce Fraser
Fraser Construction LLC
PO Box 2619
Avon Colorado, 81620
bruce@fcbuilds, com
www. fcbuilds. com
Ph. 970-904-5597
Fax. 970-949-6116
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mailto members of the Vail golf community earlierthis
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areasof the golf course to an eventcenter. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections tothe program referred to above which were registered by golfers withthe Town in
June and Julyare no longer valid, because meetings have occurred withthe golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if that werethe case,
but those with whom we are working in oppositionthe pending programconsider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then weneed to be
aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (ornever were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
1 of 2 10/15/2012 1:53 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th " ' and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
From: Michael Schwartz <theschwartzisstrong@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 1:40 PM
To: " Jr.Arthur A. Abplanalp" <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I am still opposed to the plan to ruin #18. I also am of the opinion that many of our elected
representatives are doing a terrible job of listening to and representing the people who
elected them.
Michael Schwartz
On Fri, 10/12/12, Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com> wrote:
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
To:
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:26 AM
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlierthis week related to the destruction of the 18th hole
of the Vail Golf Course and the conversion of theclubhouse and
neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressedthe
believe that the objections to the program referred to above which were
registered by golferswith the Town in June and July are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurred with the golf community and only two
persons remainopposed to the program. We would be surprised if that
were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town
government as a whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail
and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert theclubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy the
F ni r i n t.r nne
Re: Vail GolfCourse- Destruction of 18th F' ' and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "Thompson, Steven C" <taxman@txstate.edu>
Date: 10/12/2012 1:51 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I am opposed to the destrucfion of the 18th hole.
Steve Thompson
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:26 PM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFiceetruction
of com> wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier thisweek related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the
Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas
of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, member s of the Board expressed the
believe that the objectionsto the program referred to above whichwere
registered by golfers with the Town in June and July are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurred with the golf community and only two
persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were
the case, but those with whom we are working in oppositionthe
pending program consider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government
as a whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know
whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or neverwere) opposedto the plan to destroy the
18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and
neighboring golf course area into an event center.
1 f2 ni Ki n i•nnn
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th ''e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Bob Zeltman <bobzeltman@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 2:10 PM
To: Arthur Abplanalp <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Hi Art, I forwarded your email to my wife. I assume that Dale Bugby has given you the men's
club lists. Thatline about only 2 people oppose the town council's plan is total BS.
Many people have left town that have voiced strong opposition and some are worn down by
the process. Thanks, Bob
On Fri, 10/12/12, Arthur Abplanalp <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.corn> wrote:
From: Arthur Abplanalp <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse
to Event Center
To: "Bob Zeltman" <bobzeltman@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:08 PM
Thank you! I believe that your wife/partner also was opposed earlier. If she could
confirm her position, that would be helpful, as well.
Art Abplanalp
1 of 1 i n i C i n .r nr
RE: Vail Golf Couise- Destruction of 18th "" le and Conversion oE..
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "Eric Taylor" <etaylor@jjet.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 2:24 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I continue tobe opposed to this reckless and unnecessary intrusion onto one of the best
holes on the course. I appreciate yourefforts in halting thisillegal (land use restrictions)
act. Please keep me informed ofwhen importantmeetings requiring the presence of
opposedindividuals are so I can attend and voice opposition.
Sincerely,
Eric Taylor
2199 Chamonix Lane #4
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. [mailto:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the
golf courseto an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe
that the objections to the program referred toabove which were registered by
golfers with the Town in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have
occurred with the golf community and onlytwo persons remain opposed tothe
program. We would be surprised if that werethe case, but thosewith whom we
are working in opposition the pending program consider thegolfing community to
be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a
whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know
whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course
and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event
center, or
lof2 ini i n 1•C.DTA
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'" 'e and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: surfdork88 <surfdork88@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 2:28 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
i am opposed todestroying the 18 th hole ( so i agreew choice A).
scott savage
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mailto members ofthe Vail golf community
earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas ofthe golf course to an event center.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to theprogram referred to above which were registered by golferswith the Town
in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred withthe golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if
that were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
if that's not the case, then we need to be awareof that.
Inviewof the positionof the VRD Board (andperhaps the Town government as a whole),
please take a moment to respond to this e-mailand let me know whether-
a) you are opposed tothe plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course andto
convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole ofthe
Vail Golf Courseand to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an
eventcenter.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would
be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesyof your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
1 of 2 10/15/2012 1:54 PM
Re: Vail GolfCourse- Destruction of 18th'' e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Geordy Ogden <geordy007@gmail.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 2:34 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
Howdy
I am against the destruction of 18.
Thankyou
Geordy Ogden
970 471-6573
Stay cool
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community
earlier this week related to thedestruction ofthe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf courseto an event center.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, membersof the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to the program referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town
inJuneand ]uly are no longervalid, because meetings have occurred with the golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if
that were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending program consider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
if that's not the case, then we need to be aware of that.
Inview of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole),
please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed tothe plan to destroythe 18thhole of the Vail Golf Course and to
convert the clubhouse and neighboringgolf coursearea into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed tothe plan to destroythe 18th hole of the
Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an
event center.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiingyour name would
be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
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Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'' ' and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail GolfCourse- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion ofClubhouse
to Event Center
From: carolyndeluca@comcast.net
Date: 10/12/2012 2:37 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I am opposed to thedestructionof #18 and the conversion of the clubhouse to an event
center.
Carolyn DeLuca
Ladies League Member
Original Message -----
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Sent: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:26:48 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mail tomembersof the Vail golf community earlierthis
week related to the destruction ofthe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand theconversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf courseto an eventcenter. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to the program referred to above whichwere registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longervalid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending programconsider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then weneed to be
awareof that.
In view ofthepositionof the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or neverwere) opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
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RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th !e and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of
Clubhouse to Event Center
From: SARA NEWSAM <snewsam691@msn.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 3:20 PM
To: <art@abplanalplawoffice.com>
I am opposed to conversion of the clubhouseand neighboringareas of the golf course to
an event center. It would seem to me that this is a rush to judgement and that more
planningwas needed. I like the 18th as it is.
SaraNewsam
Vail Property owner
From: Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com
To:
Subject: Vail GolfCourse- Destruction of 18thHole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Date: Fri, 12 Oct2012 10:39:35 -0700
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier this week retated to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the
golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe
that the objections to the program referred toabove which wereregistered by
golfers with the Town in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have
occurredwith the golf community and only two persons remainopposed to the
program. We would be surprised if that were the case, but thosewith whom we
are working in oppositionthe pending program consider the golfing community to
be an imortant ally in this efFort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be
aware ofthat.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a
whole), please take a moment torespondto this e-mailand let me know
whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course
and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event
center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th
hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf
course area into an event center.
IOi2 1(1/1S/(11 1 SdPM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th `" ' and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: stephencollins <stcvail@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 4:06 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Mr. Abplanalp,
Iam opposed to the destruction and moving of the 18th green. I have written my council members
many times and told them we did not vote toapprove the moving of the 18th green. We voted, and
approved the remodeling of the clubhouse only! I! And I will make every effort to beat all meetings in
the future as a property owner in the town of Uail.
I appreciate your work on behalf of the property owners along the18thhole and the golfing
community.
Please keep me aware of any meetings I should attend.
Thankyou,
Stephen Collins
From: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier thisweek related to the destruction of the 18thhole of the Vail
Golf Course and the conversion of theclubhouse and neighboring areas of the
golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe
that the objections to the program referred toabove which were registered by
golfers with theTown in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have
occurred with the golf community and only two personsremain opposed to the
program. We would be surprised if that were the case, but those with whom we
are working in oppositionthe pending program consider thegolfing community to
bean imortant ally in this efFort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware ofthat.
Inview of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a
whole), please take a moment torespondto this e-mail and let me know
whether-
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Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'' 'e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
From: PETER WOODS <pcwvaill@msn.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 4:34 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
A. Peter Woods
Peter Woods
AssociateBroker
Real Estateat Copper Mountain
970-470-1194
Sent from my iPhone.
Please excuse typos.
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community
earlier this week related to thedestruction of the18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections to the prograrn referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town
inJune and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred withthe golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if
that were the case, butthose with whom we are working in opposition the
pending program considerthegolfing community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
if that's notthe case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole),
please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed tothe plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to
convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the
Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an
event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would
be helpful, regardless of your position.
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RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th H' and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "Karen Henry" <hiltonvaill@comcast.net>
Date: 10/12/2012 7:25 PM
To: "'Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr."' <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
CC: "Jeff Wiles" <jjwiles@msn.com>
I am NOT opposedto plan; in fact, I now support plan fully toredo #18 as well as expand the VGC
Clubhouse. I think "new" plan for both #18 and Clubhouse should be implemented ASAP.
Thanks,
Gene Henry
Summer Vail Residentand Gold Pass holder [my wife also]
678-480-4535
From: Arthur A. Abpianalp, Jr. [mai to:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community earlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and theconversionof
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an eventcenter. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, membersof the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to theprogram referred to above whichwere registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longervalid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending program tonsider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of the positionof the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mailand let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan todestroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Courseand to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an event center.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiingyour name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your rep y.
Regards,
Art Abptanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
10/15/2012 1:56 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'` e and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
From: Bob Essin <vailbob@comcast.net>
Date: 10/12/2012 8:41 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Art,
I think anything that shortens the already too shortgolf course should be avoided if
possible. As a par 5, the 18th hole is great. I am sure great care has been taken to design
the 18th as a great par 4 and I have been assured of that fact by board member Ken Wilson
whose judgement I respect. I prefer the 18th as it is. I am in favor of up dating and
enlarging the clubhouse. It should be done in such a manner that does not change the
18th from a par 5 to a par 4. I cannot comment on the legality of making it more of an
events center than italready is. I suspect but don't have any proof that the town may be
making this an all or nothing thing to the rec board. Itappears from thetown minutes that
not all the council members had the same understanding about using the originalenvelope
but the peopte at the meeting were lead to believe that was the proposal. I am sympathetic
with the land owners nearby that don't want to lose their proximity to the golf course. I am
also sympathetic with theneighborhood that doesn't want any more increased traffic and
noise above what already exists.
I am not sure what the overall economic benefit will be to the town. The figures thatthey
have provided should be subjected to closer scrutiny. One town person with whom I spoke
said that they were really only looking for an annual net benefit to the town of around
100,000. I don't recall who said it.
It's a beautiful day in Colorado,
Bob Essin
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
wrote:
Members ofthe Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golfcommunity
earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an eventcenter.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections to the program referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town
in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if
that were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider the golfing community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
1 of2 ini si2n 2 S pM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th `" e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
From: "Nutt, Bill" <william.nutt@amg.com>
Date: 10/12/2012 9:50 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I remain opposed to lying thevl8th hole and particularly to the whole Events Center
concept.at are the thinking! In this residential neighborhood to put such a thing when there
is so much unused space in Ford Park?.
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mailto members of the Vail golf community
earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course
and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an
event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that
the objections to the program referred toabovewhich were registered by golfers
withthe Town in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred
with the golf community and only two persons remain opposed to the program. We
would be surprised if that were the case, but those with whom we are working in
opposition the pending program consider the golfing community to be an imortant
ally in this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of theposition of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a
whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and
to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole
of the Vail Golf Course andto convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course
area into an event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name
would be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for thecourtesyof your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
1 of 2 n ii i ni • one
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th T" ' and Conversion of...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "Trudy Howe" <trudyhowe@myway.com>
Date: 10/13/2012 6:45 AM
To: Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com
CC:
Hi Arthur,
I am strongly opposed to the destruction of hole #18. As a part-time resident of Vail (not a
voter), it was
my understanding that the change was going to be a much needed remodeling of the club
house. I see no
reason to destroy or change hole #18.
Trudy Howe
1890 Lionsridge Lp.
Vail, CO 81657
Original Message-----
From: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." [Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.comJ
Date: 10/12/2012 01:26 PM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Members of the VailGolf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community earlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed thebelieve that the
objections to the program referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town in
une and ]uly are no longervalid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending program consider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan todestroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail
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Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Ho1 7d Conversion of Cl...
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
From: "John@JCarlson" <John@JCarlson.us>
Date: 10/13/2012 7:03 AM
To: <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
a) opposed
John Carlson
Vail, CO
Origina) Message-----
From: "ArthurA. Abplanalp, Jr." [Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Date: 10/12/201201:26 PM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18thHole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf communityearlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed thebelieve that the
objections to the program referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending programconsider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then weneed to be
aware of that.
In view ofthe position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you areopposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (ornever were) opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without namesmay be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesyof your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
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Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'' 'e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
EventCenter
From: Meg Christensen <megheaithnut@earthlink.net>
Date: 10/13/2012 10:00AM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
We are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole.
Sent from my iPad
Meg Christensen
On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:26 PM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf community
earlierthis week related to thedestruction of the 18th hole ofthe Vail Golf Course and the
conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center.
I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that the
objections tothe program referred toabove which were registered by golfers with the Town
in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf
community and only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if
that were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider thegolfing communityto be an imortant ally in this effort, and,
if that's notthe case, then we need to be awareof that.
In view of the positionof the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole),
please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole ofthe Vail Golf Courseandto
convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an eventcenter, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed tothe plan to destroythe 18th hole ofthe
Vail Golf Courseand to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an
eventcenter.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiingyour name would
be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, forthe courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
lF% n i r i n-i .rn ..
RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th " e and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18thHole andConversion of
Clubhouse to Event Center
From: Dennis Koller <dennis_koller@hotmail.com>
Date: 10/13/2012 3:40 PM
To: <art@abplanalplawoffice.com>
I do not think that the club should be turned into an event center. The circulation is too
difficult in and out. The oldclub should be totally replaced when the economy allows. There
are enough locations in the valley whether public orprivate for events. The 18th is a
signature hole for the course and need not be changed. Dennis Koller..Vail propertyowner
since 1974.
From: Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com
To:
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to Event
Center
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:39:35 -0700
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier thisweek related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and the conversionof the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the
golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe
that the objections to the program referred to above which wereregistered by
golferswith theTown in June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have
occurred with the golf community and only two personsremain opposed to the
program. We would be surprisedif that were the case, but those withwhom we
are working in opposition the pending programconsider thegolfing community to
be an imortant ally in this efFort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware ofthat.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhapsthe Town government as a
whole), please take a moment to respondto this e-mailand let me know
whether-
a) you are opposedto the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course
and to convert theclubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event
center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposedto the plan to destroy the 18th
hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf
course area into an eventcenter.
1 nf 7 10/15/2012 2:00 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction oF 18th F' '° and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Linda Delaria <lindadelariah@me.com>
Date: 10/13/2012 3:44 PM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
My reply is (a).
Linda DeLaria
On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Arthur A. Abplanalp,lr. wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier this week relatedto the destruction of the 18th hole of the
Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and neighboring areas
of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the
believe that the objections to the programreferred to above which were
registered by golfers with the Town in June and )uly are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurred with the golf community and only two
personsremain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were
the case, butthose with whom we are working in opposition the
pending programconsider thegolfing community to be an imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be aware ofthat.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government
as a whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know
whether-
a) you are opposed tothe plan to destroy the 18thhole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into
an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy the
18thhole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and
neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing
your name would be helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
1 nf 10/15/2012 2:01 PM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th "'e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouseto
EventCenter
From: David Goldstein <dgmg3142@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/14/2012 4:55 PM
To: " Jr.Arthur A. Abplanalp" <Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com>
Dear Mr. Abplanalp,
My wife and I have alwaysbeen opposed to the plan todestroy #18 and to buiid an event
center. That is not what we voted for.
We have communicated our views to members of the town council.
Regards,
David and MaryGoldstein
On Fri, 10/12/12, Arthur A. Abplanalp,lr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com> wrote:
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
To:
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:39 AM
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows upon my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier this week related to the destruction of the 18th hole
of the Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and
neighboring areas of the golf courseto an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the
believe that the objections to the program referred to above whichwere
registered by golfers with the Town in June and July are no longer valid,
because meetings have occurred with the golf community and only two
personsremainopposed to the program. We would be surprisedif that
were the case, but those with whom we are working in opposition the
pending program consider thegolfing communityto bean imortant ally in
this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town
government as a whole), please take a moment to respond to this e-mail
1fl/1K/2(1122(15PM
Re: Vail GoifCourse- Destruction of 18th F` ', and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: Jeff Potto <jeff@jeffpotto.com>
Date: 10/14/2012 9:20 AM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
I am opposed tothe plan to change hole #18.
Thank You.. JefF Potto
On 10/12/1211:26 AM, "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr."
Art@AbplanalpLawOfFice.com> wrote:
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communication follows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golf
community earlier thisweek relatedto the destruction of the 18thhole
of the Vail Golf Course and the conversion of the clubhouse and
neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be
brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed
the believe that the objections to the program referred to above which
were registered by golferswith the Town in June and )uly are no longer
valid, because meetings have occurred with the golf community and
only two persons remain opposed to the program. We would be
surprised if that were the case, but thosewith whom we are working in
oppositionthe pending programconsiderthe golfing community to be
an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need
to be aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town
government as a whole), please take a momentto respond to this
e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail Golf
Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area
into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroy
the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and
neighboring golf course area into an event center.
10/15/2012 2:03 PM
RG: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th'" e and Conversion of...
Subject: RE: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: "William Reisinger" <wer007@cox.net>
Date: 10/15/2012 10:21 PM
To: "'Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr."' <Art@AbpianalpLawOfFice.com>
I am are opposed to the plan to destroy the18th hole ofthe Vail Golf Course
From: Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr. [mailto:Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: Vail Golf Course- Destructionof 18th Holeand Conversion of Clubhouse to Event Center
Members of the Vail Golf Community:
This communicationfollows up on my e-mail to members of the Vail golfcommunity earlierthis
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Courseand the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas of the golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
At yesterday's VRD Board meeting, members of the Board expressed the believe that the
objections to theprogram referred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longer valid, because meetings have occurred with thegolf community and
only twopersons remain opposed to the program. We would be surprised if that were the case,
but those with whom we are working in oppositionthe pending program consider the golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's not the case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of the position of the VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mail and let me know whether-
a) you and to convert the clubhouse and neighboringgolf course area into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed to the plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesy of your reply.
Regards,
Art Abplanalp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
Vaii, Colorado 81658
970.476.6500
f, 10/16/20129:04AM
Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th "e and Conversion of ...
Subject: Re: Vail Golf Course- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouse to
Event Center
From: johnahlbrandt@comcast.net
Date: 10/16/2012 8:30 AM
To: "Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffiice.com>
am opposed to the destruction of the 18thhole.
John Ahlbrandt
johnahlbrandt@comcast.net
303) 718-8066 (cell)
From: "Arthl r A. Abplanalp, Jr." <Art@AbplanalpLawOffice.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:26:48 AM
Subject: Uail Golf Cotrese- Destruction of 18th Hole and Conversion of Clubhouseto Event Center
Members oftheVail Golf Community:
This communication follows uponmy e-mail to members of the Vaii golf community earlier this
week related to the destruction of the 18th hole of the VailGolf Course and the conversion of
the clubhouse and neighboring areas ofthe golf course to an event center. I'll try to be brief.
Atyesterday's VRD Board meeting, members ofthe Board expressed the believe that the
objections tothe programreferred to above which were registered by golfers with the Town in
June and July are no longervalid, because meetings have occurred with the golfcommunity and
only two persons remain opposed to theprogram. We would be surprised if that werethe case,
but those with whom we are working in opposition the pending program considerthe golfing
community to be an imortant ally in this effort, and, if that's notthe case, then we need to be
aware of that.
In view of the position ofthe VRD Board (and perhaps the Town government as a whole), please
take a moment to respond to this e-mailand let me know whether-
a) you are opposed to the plan to destroy the 18th hole of the Vail Golf Course and to convert
the clubhouse and neighboring golf course area into an event center, or
b) you are no longer (or never were) opposed tothe plan to destroythe 18th hole of the Vail
Golf Course and to convert the clubhouse and neighboring golf coursearea into an eventcenter.
Because responses without names may be difficult to identify, includiing your name would be
helpful, regardless of your position.
Thank you, in advance, for the courtesyof your reply.
Rega rds,
Art Abp analp
Law Office of Arthur A. Abplanalp, Jr., LLC
Post Office Box 2800
10/16/2012 10:54 AM
Vail Clubhouse - Alternative Plans
Commentary
The alternative contiguration and plans hich have been provided ta the Town of Vail
and lo the Vail Recreation District have the following advantages:
1. The exp nded area is vithin the clubhouse footprint, consistent with the
representations to the public by the Council onthe 2nd of August, 2011;
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currently proposed Location;
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errant shots from the 18th fairway;
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of the 18th green;
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herefore is able to serve both;
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