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Home My WebLink About1989-09-05 Support Documentation Town Council Work Session~'~' VAIL TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 1989 2:00 p.m. AGENDA 1. Design Review Board Report 2. Information Update 3. Other 4. Site Visits A. 2211 North Frontage Road West (The Finishing Touch) B. 2801 Bassingdale Boulevard (Camelot Townhouse Assn.) C. 950 Fairway Drive (Katz Residence) D. 5122 Grouse Lane (Fried Residence) VAIL TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 1989 2:00 p.m. EXPANDED AGENDA 2:00 Kristan Pritz 2:10 Ron Phillips 2:20 2:35 Rick Pylman Mike Mollica Kristan Pritz Mike Mollica 1. Design Review Board Report 2. Information Update 3. Other 4. Site Visits A. 2211 North Frontage Road West (The Finishing Touch) B. 2801 Bassingdale Boulevard (Camelot Townhouse Assn.) C. 950 Fairway Drive (Katz Residence) D. 5122 Grouse Lane (Fried Residence) *. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AGENDA AUGUST 30, 1989 1:00 P.M. SITE VISITS 10:00 A.M. 10 1. Glen Lyon Office Expansion 1000 South Frontage Road MOTION: SECOND: Withdrawn KP (final) VOTE: 2 2. Timber Ridge Village Sign KP 1280 North Frontage Road (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. VOTE: 5-0 Consent Approval 3. Green Residence Remodel Kp Lot 18, Bighorn Subdivision (Final) MOTION: Roy S. SECOND: Chuck C. VOTE: 5-0 Approval 13 4. Nicks Cafe Neon Sign Bridge Street, Vail Village MOTION: SECOND: KP (Final) VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING. . ~t 17 5. Chester Landscape Plan Kp 395 Mill Crk. Circle - Lot 19, Blk 1, V.V. 1st (Final) MOTION: SECOND: (VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 9 6. Hicks Residence Repaint Kp Lot 9, Block 9, Intermountain (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. VVOTE: 5-0 Consent Approval 16 7. Tyrolean Inn Mural 400 Vail Valley Drive (Final) MOTION: Roy S. SECOND: Chuck C. NOTE: 4-0-1 Approved with condition that the lefty sheep be rotated. 7 8. McDonald's Expansion - West Vail RP Lot 1, Vail Das Schone Filing #3 (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Roy S. VOTE: 5-0 Approved. 11 9. Chart House Deck Enclosure Rp Landmark Building, Lionshead (Final) MOTION: SECOND: (VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING r" 8 10. Finishing Touch Awning & Sign Variance RP 2111 North Frontage Road (Final) MOTION: Roy S. SECOND: Chuck C. VOTE: 5-0 Approved with condition that the individual window awnings return to the wall 30" past window on each side of window. 19 11. Vail Golfcourse Townhomes Repaint MM Sunburst Drive MOTION: Jamie M. SECOND: Chuck C. VOTE: 5-0 Approved as submitted, 12 12. Byrnes/Taylor Project - Retaining MM Walls/landscaping revisions. Lots 5 & 6, Vail Village 1st (Final) MOTTONe Chuck C. SECOND: Pat H. VOTE: 4-0 Jamie McCluskie abstained. Approved with condition that if variance is approved then the original landscape plan which was approved on 8/2/89 shall be the plan to be implemented. 4 13. Vail National Bank West, New Signs ~ Vail Das Schone Shopping Center (Final) MOTIONa SECONDe VOTE: Withdrawn 14. Ridder Remodel MM Lot 4-B, Texas Townhomes (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Chuck C. VOTE: 4-0 Ned Gwathmey abstained. Approved with conditionse (1) Drop roof line 2 feet. (2) Add 3 Liloe bushes, ',. 15. MacCormick Remodel Lot 6-B, Texas Townhomes MOTION: SECOND: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 5 16. West Vail Mall Sign Variance Lots 2 & 3, Vail Das Schone Filing #3 MOTION: SECOND: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 6 17. Gart Brother Signage West Vail Mall MOTION: Roy S. SECOND: Chuck C. Approved as submitted. 18 18. Daum Remodel & Addition Lot 12, Block 3, Vail Valley lst MOTION: Roy S. SECOND: Chuck C. Approved as submitted. 1 19. Wertheim Remodel 774 Potato Patch Drive MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. MM (Final) RP (Final) E: RP (Final) E: 5-0 RP (Final) E: 5-0 RP (Final) E : 5-0 Approved as submitted. .,r 3 20. Schmidt New Residence Rp Lot G-1, Lions Ridge, Filing #2 (Final) MOTION: SECOND: VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 20 21. Wilhelmson Residence Revisions Rp Lot 2, Block 1, Vail Village 11th (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. VOTE: 5-0 Consent Approval. 22. Forbes New Residence Rp Lot 1, Ridge at Vail MOTION: SECOND: VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 21 23. Hunt Residence Re-Roof MM Lot 4, Bighorn 4th Addition (Final) ' MOTION: SECOND: VOTE: TABLED TO SEPT. 6TH MEETING 14 24. Mill Creek Court Bldg. Remodel MM 302 East Gore Creek Drive (Final) MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. VOTE: 5-0 Consent Approval. 15 25. Galvin Remodel - Mill Creek Court B1 302 East Gore Creek Drive MOTION: Pat H. SECOND: Jamie M. Consent Approval. MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Herrington Ned Gwathmey Jamie McCluskie Chuck Crist Roy Sante STAFF APPROVALS: MEMBERS ABSE RATHER DECK EXTENSION & HOT TUB - L 26, B 7, V.V. 1~ CHRISTIANIA LODGE, CHRISTIANIA REALTY, INC. - WINDOW EL SOMBRERO, NEW SIGN - INN AT VAIL GERRARD DECK ENCLOSURE - COLDSTREAM UNIT #21 '~ MM (Final) ATE: 5-0 SIGN :.. ['ERI~Y ~ BUTLER ~~<<~. August 31, 1989 VAIL TOWN COUNCIL 75 So. Frontage Rd. Vail. CO 81657 To Whom It May Concern: R~C'~] SEP - 5 ~~J I am writing this letter to ask the Council to review its informal 4-2 decision against the Vail Fourth of July Lacrosse Tournament. I live in Denver but have a second home in Vail (for the past ten .years) and I count the lacrosse tournament as one of the highlights of summer in Vail. We always visit Vail over the fourth and attend the tournament for a day or two. The town is always crowded, but I have never noticed any unsavory behavior on the part of the athletes. There are obviously many ,young people from the Denver area in town but I know they will come whether there is a tournament or not. Going to Vail is a ,young person's tradition and cancelling the tournament is not going to change that. Let's hold the tournament and give them something to do. Vail should also recognize that young people do eventually grow up to be adults - with good jobs, families, mortgages and a need to vacation in places like Vail. If both the athletes (from all across the country) and the front range young people get into the habit of coming to Vail now, they are likely to continue it when they become "desirable families." All of the athletes and young people are college students today, and Vail's winter and summer visitors tomorrow. The Vail Town Council should not be so short-sighted as to ignore developing its future market. I know that Vail this year is enjoying record economic growth and prosperity. We businessmen on the front range would love to have this problem. But remember everything is cyclical - prosperity is not guaranteed. I wonder whether this attempt at managing Vail's visitors would have .gotten this far were Vail to be suffering economically as is the front range, Please consider carefully the above points from a concerned Vail homeowner, frequent visitor and front range businessman before you make a serious, serious mistake and legislate this important amateur athletic event out of existence. Very truly yours, Cl~~~ ~J ~ Charles W. Carter, Jr~f Vice President P.S. - Is this the same Town Council that warmly welcomed overtures from NFL franchises to use Vail as a summer camp? cc: Vail Metropolitan Recreation District, Attn: Tim Garton Offices Throughout The Denver-Boulder Area Arthur K. Strasburger, M.D. Arapahoe Medical Park Plaza Suite 500 7720 South Broadway Littleton, Colorado 8012 Practice Limited to Orthopaedic Surgery O1 SEP 1989 Vail Town Council 75 South Frontage Road Vail, Colorado 81657 Dear Sirso SEP - 5 X989 Area Code 303 Telephone 798-8107 I understand that the Council is planning to consider prohibiting the annual Fourth of July Lacrosse Tournament. I have been involved with this tournament since its inception, both as a participant and as a member of the Board of Directors of the Rocky Mountain Lacrosse Foundation, and the Alational Lacrosse Foundation. I am aware of the problems which occurred in 1985 and 1986. .For the past several years we have made a great effort to control the actions of the young people who come to Vail to watch the gameso as well as advise the participants of their responsibility to maintain a reasonable degree of decorum. It is my understanding, that there have been few, if any, significant incidents for the past two years which would be likely to reflect negatively upon the Lacrosse Tournament. This event has developed into one of international importance, and is the premier lacrosse event of the summer. I think it is unlikely it could be run so successfully at any time other than a holiday weekend, both for the participants and the spectators, I can't help but think that the event is a positive one for Vail, and I strongly urge that you consider continuing your support for the Fourth of July time slot. Sincerely yours, ~~.. Arthur ~K. trasburg D. AKS/ss C ~ `.` 1 ~ uJ a~ lam` G~ N ~ r C_ __ ~0 _ ~ _ II 1 / , .. . . • • ' - - _ , ,. . August 31, 1989.`• .. ". _ - _ ,. . ~, •. " :• Dear Vail Metro Recreation District Board: _. ~ • - It'was with great concern that we•learned of the Vail Town Council°s informal .' =. _.. . •_ ~ 4-2'vote~which took place at the work=session on 8/29/89. directing your gr•oup~ to move the dates•of-'the annual Lacrosse Shootout or !'Lose the event"-. We . axe concerned•for several reasons•which we hope you will consider in render- ing your. decision which we understand"will be acted upon during your meeting '. ' on 9/2/89 at .3°00 p.m. ~_ - ~ - • .First, it .became clear during the focus group studies commi$sioned by The Vail Valley Marketing Board that there is a. perception on the part of the - ~. public ,that the Vail Valley is elitist and very discriminating as to~who we'~ • "want here". .By continuing to edit or .approve of vast groups of .the touring ~ '"`, population, be,they lacrosse players, young college-aged teenagers, smokers, ;% " oreven people who wear fux~coats;~we'-are actively contr~.l5uting to this image. • As event organizers we live or die by attendance and to increasingly qualify , _ who we want in the valley is a dangerous posture to strike. ,. Secondl ... ,` ; y, we~~are concerned that-the issue of the lacrosse tournament came • . to what~,can be perceived acs an affirmation vote without the full input of the cotrgnunitya We respect the fact that the seven members of our council • ~.~ are the~duly elected body by"which we as a community do busipess, however, - it is important tows as a committee that before they make a judgement. on • •, any, issue, all .sides of the ax•gument can. be heard. .The agenda for the Town - - . ~, ~ Council's discussion on 8/29/89 was an overview`of the level of conduct of `. 'the 4th of July weekend presented by the Chief .of Police. To move from a •~ • general conduct review to a. vote on the desirability of this major. event was ," - •. perhaps a'bit premature. We_understand that this was an informal: vote, how- - _ ever this does not defuse the message that was sent out. We. also understand. " • that the Council's directive was to ask the VMRD to look at some 'options to`' - .~ rescheduJ~e the dates or cancel the_eventa Sadly the message that went out " across the country was "Move it ox•~lose it". There are certainly manylpeople ' and businesses. who would argue that 'the positives far outweigh the,. negatives ;,' of .this evente These people.. should all.,be given .the opportunity to, present i :.'`. their 'opinions. If', after. hearing all•sides of the debate, the Town. Council • ~ vot~s"to move or lose the tournament I feel our corranittee would ;then support. _ .~ their decision. 'That is the nature of government and we as .citizens of rn,r i. ~,~ `. . _ ~. ~ - i . __ • - .~~~ ,~.~ _ .. ~. August 31, 1989. _ ~ . ~ .• ~ ~ _ : -.: :. VMRD Board _ , _ - Page # 2 - .-~ - . _ . Thirdly, it ~r~tist be mentioned that the organizers of the event have been - E `.extremely supportive of the effort's to police their own event: They_have.~; ~,'~: done. everything we have asked ~.nd in fact come ,up with many ideas of their own • to minimize `the problems: The fact that the one and only arrest of a lacrosse c - - '-~ -~ player:.resulted in that players banishment for life from the event underlines- ,...~. --- ~ `.'their committment to helping solve the problems.: The curve of-the.conduct -. :.~ level of this event is improving: .:Let's allow it to continue to improve. ._ - _ ~ 1, .` Fourth, we are concerned that, the atmosphere of the 'Vail, Valley on the 4th. _ ~_ _ of July could: be described as "Terrifying to families"..Several of the ''committee.me~nkiers have families and actively participated-in all of the. ;~~ • ' events of, the 4th of .July weekend including the~Lacrosse Tournament and were ' . - never.. in ~ any way disturbed let . alone. ~ "Terrified"•. We have to .be .cognizant. ~ _ ~ _ of how statements such .as this can be perceived. - ~• ~~'` ' -. .. i .It~must also be remembered that. this .event is moving into .it's lOjh year cif _. operation. _.:Ten•years'of growth which has.seeri it. move from'a small regional, . tournament to: one .which is..clearly recognized. as the..premier national tour- _ nament:.,It`has. also began to bring in international' teams and will continue ' • to grow. ~ TYie ~ economic . impact alone of gross dollars to the comrnznity .and ,the , - - - .resultant-sales.tax revenues'have to be, considered. .: In closure; let_us restate our. strong feeling that .groups of this size are ~. •.hard 'to 'get. Sun. Valley and. Jackson ,Hole have admitted their. des~ire_ to host ~: • this. tournament: We are not operating in=a vacuum. and if .we say we=dori't want - "these-people somebody else will grab them."-Anytime you.have:a large group of people in a.sma.~.l town there. will be some problems.-The police. level on evenings such as New Years Ede must be as busy as this tournament~.level.but -_ •: we don't .seem to be~as critical. in our concerns about other time periods as -• we do:about the•Lacrosse Shootout. We suggest that we find ways ~ o-control . • our problems and'in the worst case scenario suffer some casualties. Don't, - ' „ however, again-"make the statement that "The Vail Valley doesn't ~yant you!". -. - • Thank you-for.your;ajttention to our concerns. `' ~•, r ~' - .- _ - .. f , ,: Michae ey;.~ Cha { ~• - Vai y Comm for. c • ent II ~ `~ (A,committ f e ar ! • '. ;~ _ ~; ~ ~ ~.~- Imo, - ~• • ;k R,~°p SEP - 51989 ~ ~ ~J ~ ~- c ~ e a ~ L ~~L ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~. 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