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VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
WORK SESSION
TUESDAY, JULY 30, 1991
2:00 P. M.
AGENDA
1. Review of Vail Recreation District new signs
2. Trapping in Eagle County -Colorado Wildlife Commission
Discussion re: Possible solutions to trapping issue in Eagle County
3. Information Update
4. Other
5. Site visit to the proposed Shapiro -Special Development District
6. Adjournment
C:~A~GENDA.WS
VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
WORK SESSION
TUESDAY, JULY 30, 1991
2:00 p.m.
EXPANDED AGENDA
2:00 p.m. 1. Review of Vail Recreation District new signs
Shelly Mello
Action Reauested of Council: Approve/deny request to proceed
to DRB.
Backaround Rationale: The VRD is proposing to update and
standardize the existing signage at the soccer fields, Dobson
Arena, Administrative Offices, Lionshead Auxiliary Building, Ford
Park, and the Nature Center. Some existing signage will be
removed and replaced. As owners of the property, Staff wanted
to inform the Council of the request which will proceed to DRB
on 8/7/91.
Staff Recommendation: Allow proposal to proceed to DRB.
2:10 p:m. 2. Trapping in Eagle County
Ken Hughey
Action Reauested of Council: Provide direction to Wildlife
Commission on Council's wishes relating to trapping in Eagle
County.
Backaround Rationale: The Colorado Wildlife Commission has
directed its Staff to meet with the Vail Town Council to discuss
possible solutions to the trapping issue. The Wildlife
Commission Staff will then report back to the Commission to
allow for a final decision in November.
2:40 p.m. 3. Information Update
2:50 p.m. 4. Other
3:00 p.m. 5. Site visit to the proposed Shapiro -Special Development District;
Mike Mollica the property is generally located north of Sandstone Drive and
west of Potato Patch Drive.
Action Reauested of Council: None required at this time.
Backaround Rationale: The first reading of this ordinance will be
reviewed at the 8/6/91 evening meeting.
Staff Recommendation: Please wear sturdy shoes or hiking
boots for this site visit.
6. Adjournment
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town of pail
7b south froetsge road
vall, colo?ado 81657
(303) 479-2100
office of mayor
January 17, 1991
Mr. Perry Olson, Director
Colorado Division of Wildlife
6060 Broadway
Denver, CO 80216
Dear Mr. Olson:
In light of three incidents in the fall of 1990 where wild
animal/leghold traps caught domesticated dogs, trapping in the Vail
Valley has become an issue of general public concern.
The public's concern stems from the fact that the Vail Valley is a
highly utilized year-round recreation area in a relatively
concentrated amount of physical space. The recreational activities
involved include, but are not limited to, hiking, climbing, snow
skiing, mountain biking, etc. These activities occur not only
within the limits of the Town of Vail, but extend onto nearby
Federal lands outside the jurisdiction of the Town. It is felt
that the current regulations on trapping are not in the best
interests of our citizens and guests in that the mixed use of
recreation and trapping are not compatible.
In an effort to be sensitive and fair to all involved parties, we
would like to suggest that current Division of Wildlife regulations
be modified. The proposed changes would provide for a ban on
trapping from ridgeline to ridgeline contiguous with the Town of
Vail town limits, but extending 1/2 mile east and west of the
current boundaries. We feel that this regulation would allow safe
recreation in the Vail Valley, yet allow those interested in
trapping to pursue their respective interests.
We urge prompt attention to the issue so as to allow the decision
to be reflected in upcoming revisions to printed materials as
released by the Division of Wildlife.
Mr. Perry Olson
January 17, 1991
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Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact Ren
Hughey, Assistant Town Manager, at (303) 479-2210.
Your support and cooperation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
TOWN OF VAIL
~i?~ ~ ~ Gay(-
Rent R. Rose
Mayor
cc: Bill Andree
Wildlife Commissioners
STATE OF COLORADO REFER TO
Roy Romer, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES ~0~~00
DIVISION OF WILDLIFE o ~ --~ya1.
4N EOUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER ~ ~
Perry D. Olson. Director v
b060 6roadway
Denver, Colorado 80216 SOON OF
Telephone: (3031 297-t 192
711 Independent Avenue For t~ldlije-
Grand Junction, CO 81505 For People
303-248-7175
February 12, 1991
-Kent R. Rose, Mayor
75 S. Frontage Road
Vail, CO 81657
Dear Mr. Rose:
The Division of Wildlife is both sensitive to and cognisant of the
controversy associated with trapping in Colorado. We also recognize that in
certain locals high concentrations of recreationists can result in significant
conflicts with other uses of public land. These however are not limited to
trapping. They include a wide array of uses such as livestock grazing,
wildlife photography, firearms/archery hunting, etc. The answer to these
conflicts is not systematically closing the area to any one of these uses nor
is the perceived problem limited to the Vail valley.
The Division is interested in minimizing these conflicts and have found
that dissemination of proper information and public education on both sides
provides the best solution. In order to accomplish this, we must first define
what the real problem is. Second, we should investigate all possible
solutions. Then of course, implement those which result in the least impact
to all parties involved.
We would be most happy to work with you in this regard. Hopefully
together we can minimize the conflicts without adversely effecting either
side. Please contact Bilt Andree of our Division and set up a meeting to
discuss the situation. If I can be of additional assistance please contact me.
Sincerely '
Hal Burdick
Assistant Regional Manager
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cc: Konishi
Andree
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, Hamlet J. Barry, Executive Director
WILDLIFE COMMISSION, William R. Hegberg, Chairman .Dennis Luttrell, Vice Chairman . Eldon W. Cooper, Secretary
Felix Chavez, Member . Rebecca L Frank, Member . Louis F. Swig, Member . George VanDenBerg, Member . Larry M. Wright, Member
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EAGLE COUNTY, COLORADO
Rsay 29, 1991 •
Ti~ir. Perry Olson, Director _
CoIorada Division of ~Vildiife
6060 Broadway
Denver, Colorado 80216
~tE: S00 FOOT SI=T BACK FOR LEGHOLl? TRAPS
Dear lair. Olson:
The Board on I<sarclr 3, 1991 wrote a letter supporting the position that leghold traps
should not be allowed adjacent to incorporated towns or densely populated areas in Eagle
County. It is our understanding that .'Vir. Don Everett has made a presentation to the
Division and that discussions have led to a 500 foot set back for traps from all roadways
and trails. ~i'e the members of the Eagle Bcard of County Commissioners support this new
S00 foot set back position.
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It is noted that this position by the Board is not intended to encourage dogs at large. The
. intention is to limit the exposure to the public utilizing these areac. -
Sincere y,
George A.- Gates
Chairman, Board of County Commissioners
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Town Council
FROM: Community Development Department "
DATE: July 30, 1991
SUBJECT: Second reading of Ordinance 13, Series of 1991, adopting the proposed View
Corridor from Frivolous Sals looking west over the Red Lion and Christiania
roofs, to the Gore Range
On May 7, 1991, the Town Council approved Ordinance 13, Series of 1991 on first reading.
During the discussion, Council requested that the legal description for the view corridor be
written to accommodate the Christiania expansion. After first reading, staff met with Dan
Corcoran, the surveyor for the project, to determine how to define a legal description based on
a future addition. During the site visit, staff found that the roof ridges were not visible from the
point of origin because the aspen tree leaves block the line of site from Frivolous Sals to the
Christiania roof. As a result, staff will have to wait until fall to shoot the corridor when the roof
lines are completely visible. Once that has been accomplished, staff will bring the ordinance
back to Town Council for second reading. We anticipate that this will be in mid-October.
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lie: Gillett Holdings, ZAC. Bankruptcy Proceeding
Dear Larry:
Confirming our telephone conversation earlier today, we
grill plan to accomQany Marlin apperm8n to the working session
of the Vail. Town Council next 2'uesda7r afternoon, August 6, at
2:00 p.m. Prior to that time we will provide you with an
outline of our proposed discussions with the Town Council far
your revYew and comment.
As I indicated in our telephone Conversation this
morning, are had hoped to be present for the working session
tomorrow afternoon. Howe~rer, Marlin Opperman had a serious
illness in the family arhi~h prevented us from proceeding on
that schedule. We all regret the delay but I doubt that one
week is critical in the contest of the Gillett Holdings, Inc.
Bankruptcy Proceeding at its current stage.
As we discussed last week, we will be sendzng an
associate to monitor the Section 341 hearing tomorrow at 1:Op
p.m. AS you know, the Section 341 hearing is the first
formal, meeting of all creditors in the Chapter 11
proceeding. Much of it wil], be formalxty.° However, it is
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likely tv be in the Chapter 11 proceeding and to assess the
dynamics between the debtor and the creditors and among the
major Creditors themselves. '
We will report any interesting infprmation we Learxl at
the Section 341 hearing next Ztiiesday at the Council's working
session..
SYnCerely, "
Charles rgxnan
CC: Marlin Opperman, Esq.
Jeffrey J. Scott, Esq. .
Robert D. ~L`vxA, ~ssq.
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• Mr. Za~~Y Eskwith .
• Town Attorney
Vail Town FIa11
75 South Frontage Road
Vail, Colorado 81657
Re: Gillett Holdings, Ine. Bankruptcy proceeding
Dear Zarry:
Conf~.rming our' telephone conversation earlier today, we
will plan tp d.CCOmpanp Marlin Opperman to the working session
of the Vail Town Council ne$t Tuesday afternoon, August 6, at
2:00 p.m. Frior to that time we will provide you with an
outline of our proposed discussions with the Town Council for
your review and c,.......ent.
As I indicated in our telephone conversation. this
• morning, we had hoped~to be present for the working session
tomorrow afternoon. However, Marlin Opperman had a Serious
illness in the family which prevented us from proceeding on
that schedule. We all regret the delag but I doubt that one
week is critical is the contest•of the Gillett Roldings, Snc.
Bankruptcy Proceeding at its current stage.
As we discussed last week, we will be sending an
associate to monitor the Section 341 hearing tomorrow at 1:00
p.m. As you know, the Section 34]. hearing is the first
formal meeting of all creditors in the Chapter it
proceeding. Much of it will be formality. However, it is
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July 29, 1991
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o~teu a forum €or learning what~the important issues are
likelx to be in the Chapter lI proceeding and to assess the
dynamics between the debtor and the creditors and among the
major creditors themselves.
T+Pe oei].z xeport any interesting information we Learn at
the section 341 hearing ne$t Tuesday at the Council's working
session.
SinGereYy,
Charles L. rc~inan
cc: Marlin Qpperman,.Esq.
Jeffrey J. Scott, Esq. ,
Robert D. Irvin, Esq.
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The Following will appear in the July 11-12, 1991
Wildlife Commission Minutes:
Dr. Len Carpenter advised the Division recommends dealing
with the trapping closures next year in the normal sequence of
regulation consideration. Dr. Carpenter said if the Commission
wishes differently, it can be brought back in September for
consideration.
Mr. Dwight Coppock, President of Colorado Trappers
Association, urged the Commission to read DWM Bill Andree's
report, specifically his concerns and recommendations. Mr.
Coppock stated, Mr. Andree wanted to make sure the Commission is
aware the Vail City Council & Eagle County Commissioners
basically did not call for a public hearing on the trapping
issue. They heard from one side & took action accordingly. Mr.
Coppock advised he did attend one public meeting at the library
the end of last November. The CTA took responsibility &
participated in resolution of what it thought was the problem.
Mr. Coppock said the cases that have come up are almost
exclusively one individual. There are eight active trappers in
the Vail area. There was one individual that had problems and
was cited for trespassing on City of Vail property to attend his
traps on national forest lands. Mr. Coppock said CTA volunteered
to fulfill a part of the individuals sentence by getting him a
decent education on trapping. CTA went with the individual and
assisted him in removing traps, then gave him nine hours of on-
line training.
Mr. Coppock stated the primary groups involved is using this
opportunity to advance their cause, which is to ban trapping in
the Vail Valley as well as hunting. Mr. Coppock said the 500
foot zone would eliminate beaver trapping. Mr. Coppock indicated
in every case the dogs were running at large and were in
violation of the leash law. They were running in winter range
for deer and elk. Mr. Coppock advised he has talked to Colorado
Wool Growers and they are concerned about coyote lasses and
losses due to the dogs running.
Mr. Coppock stated another issue being brought up is the
human safety issue which is a red herring. Mr. Coppock said
there is no example of a human being hurt.
Mr. Jim Hooks, CTA, advised he lives in Summit County and
traps in Eagle County and has not had any trouble with catching
dogs in traps. Mr. Hooks stated in incidents cited involve one
beginning trapper. CTA has taken it upon itself to show this
individual where to set his traps and how.
Mr. Hooks advised he was at the public meeting in Vail and
from the discussion does not believe its a safety issue. Mr.
Hooks said the Vail Humane Society wants to ban trapping and
hunting in the Vail Valley. Mr. Hooks said his concern was if
something like this happens in Eagle County, it will happen in
Summit County also. Mr. Hooks didn't feel it is a trapping, but
rather a dog at large problem.
Mr. Bob Slagle, Vail Animal Control Officer, stated the
issue is mislabeled and misunderstood. It does not deal with
hunting, it deals with proximity. Mr. Slagle said everyone needs
to understand trapping leaves behind a silent means of taking and
is not observed when in action. Mr. Slagle stated the town of
Vail wants the Commission to scrutinize location. Mr. Slagle
said there are a lot of people on the trails at different time of
the year. Mr. Slagle advised the only place there are leash laws
are on Eagles Nest and downtown Vail. Outside town limits, dogs
must be under control. Mr. Slagle stated is not asking the
Commission to eliminate anything, it is just asking the
Commission to help with proximity by establishing a rule that no
traps be set within 500 feet of an established road or trailway.
Commissioner Swift asked what the definition of an
established trial is. Mr. Slagle advised those trails that are
commonly used and identified at a trailhead. Mr. Slagle said
Vail is not looking for something that is a blanket.
Commissioner Hegberg asked if 15, 50 or 100 feet adequate
distance? Mr. Slagle stated Vail has no problem with the footage
_ _ 500 is not a magic number.
Commissioner Swift asked what the definition of an
established trail is. Mr. Slagle advised those trails that are
commonly used and identified at a trailhead. Mr. Slagle said
Vail is not looking for something that is a blanket.
Commissioner Swift asked in issuing citations, what is the
definition of a dog being under control. Mr. Slagle said if the
dog is out of sight and hearing, it is out of control. If the
owner calls the dog and it keeps roving, it is out of control.
If the dog returns on call, it is under control.
Chairman Cooper suggested there be signs on established
trails warning people with dogs there are traps within so many
feet of the trail. Mr. Slagle stated that would not be a problem
but who would be responsible ,for the signs. Commissioner Cooper
said that would have to be worked out.
Ms. Blondie Vucich, President of Vail Valley Humane Society,
advised Vail has no hidden agenda and has not set out to ban
trapping or hunting. Ms. Vucich stated the town is looking at
this as a safety issue but is not locked into the 500 feet.
Chairman Cooper stated Eagle Co. is asking the Commission to
impose a regulation with a buffer zone which would affect the
whole state. Mr. Cooper said there is a need to be realistic
about this and 500 feet is not realistic. Mr. Cooper asked Ms.
Vucich what her reaction is to areas being identified where
trapping is done.
Ms. Vucich said it would definitely be helpful but feels the
setback would be more beneficial.
Mr. Dennis Bergstad stated he is not a trapper but spends
upwards of 4-5 months in Eagle Co. Mr. Bergstad said he is
running into significant problems with dogs chasing deer. Mr.
Bergstad stated running 500 feet from a trail is not consistent
with federal wilderness regulations. Mr. Bergstad advised the
Commission needs to be very careful when it does any change in
trapping regulations.
Mr. Don Everett of Vail advised he is a bird hunter and has
not had a problem with his dog and traps. Mr. Everett said he is
only asking the Commission to take some action on the request
from Vail asking for a setback.
Chairman Cooper advised the Commission has two ways to go.
It can ask Division staff for specific recommendations for the
September meeting or defer action until it is handled in the
regulation process next year. Commissioner Hegberg questioned
how many acres would be impacted when a 500 foot setback was laid
out on a map. Mr. Hegberg expressed a concern for the statewide
implications, since the Division does not address issues city by
city but statewide. Whatever the Commission does it affects
_ statewide. Mr. Hegberg said anything the Commission adopts needs
to be the result of formal recommendations of those county
commissioners as a part of the process.
Commissioner Hegberg felt the Division should continue to
pursue some possible solutions and not act on the trapping issue
in September, and particularly identify areas where there are
problems with high traffic use on trails, as well as other
municipalities where there are other issues.
Commissioner Frank concurred with Mr. Hegberg in terms of
September might be too quick. Ms. Frank feels the Commission
should address this issue since it has requests from Eagle and
Vail before it. Ms. Frank said she doesn't want to see it get
tied up in the whole trapping issue because it is a separate
issue.
Ms. Frank said she feels the Commission should wait until it
gets requests from other problem areas before them. Ms. Frank
stated her request would be to work with the Vail Town Council
and get formal resolutions and also from Eagle Co. Ms. Frank said
the Commission is not looking at Eagle Co. generally but
specifically needs to take the town of Vail and focus on the
problems statewide.
Ms. Frank stated she would like to see a couple things come
out of the discussions with Vail Town Council and Eagle Co.
Commissioners. Division staff should perhaps come back in Sept.
or Nov. on what the buffer zone plan might look like. Ms. Frank
_ felt there is some merit to posting and if Vail feels there is,
there should be a financial commitment that should be included in
the discussions. Ms. Frank said the signage concept is
interesting and feels Dr. Carpenter should look at the pros and
cons.
Commissioner VanDenBerg stated what Ms. Frank said should be
seen as a signal to county commissioners that the Commission
probably will not be setting regulations involving the whole
county but will deal with issue of close proximity around Vail.
Chairman Cooper agreed the issue should be narrowed down to
the problem that exists in Vail. Mr. Cooper suggested Dr.
Carpenter work with the Vail people and look at the city very
closely to see whether or not signs would be an alternative. The
Division should involve trappers and town of Vail so all aspects
are considered and it doesn't curtail trapping and considers
forewarning for people using the trails. Mr. Cooper said he is
opposed to making any blanket and regulation affecting the whole
county or entire state.
Commissioner Hegberg advised that the community that
requests this needs to be responsible for animal damage in areas
where trapping might be controlled.
Mr. Slagle advised Vail is not asking for a ban. If you
move the traps to a better location you are still going to
control that animal.
Commissioner Swift stated if town of Vail and Eagle Co.
responds to the Commission, it would be a good idea they cover in
the letter any responsibility they will take for damage.
. It was moved by Ms. Frank and seconded by Mr. VanDenBerg to
'direct the Division to work with the town of Vail and County of
Eagle to come up with a very narrow Vail specific plan that
includes, but not limited to reasonable buffer zones, the city
and/or county accept financial and other responsibility for any
type of trapping that needs to be done and report to Commission
in Sept. or Nov. meetings.
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Roll call note: Chavez-yes; Eve-no; Frank-yes; Swift-yes;
VanDenBerg-yes; Wright-absent; Cooper-yes; motion carried.
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MEMORANDUM
TO: Town Council '
FROM: Community Development Department
DATE: July 30, 1991
SUBJECT: Second reading of Ordinance 13, Series of 1991, adopting the proposed View
Corridor from Frivolous Sals looking west over the Red Lion and Christiania
roofs, to the Gore Range
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On May 7, 1991, the Town Council approved Ordinance 13, Series of 1991 on first reading.
During the discussion, Council requested that the legal description for the view corridor be
written to accommodate the Christiania expansion. After first reading, staff met with Dan
Corcoran, the surveyor for the project, to determine how to define a legal description based on
a future addition. During the site visit, staff found that the roof ridges were not visible from the
point of origin because the aspen tree leaves block the line of site from Frivolous Sals to the
Christiania roof. As a result, staff will have to wait until fall to shoot the corridor when the roof
lines are completely visible. Once that has been accomplished, staff will bri~ in nce
back to Town Council for second reading. We anticipate that this will mid-October.
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