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PUBLIC NOTICE
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Planning and Environmental Commission of the Town of
Vail will hold a public hearing in accordance with Section 13.66.060 of the Municipal Code of the
Town of Vail on October 23,1995, at :00 P.M. in the Town of Vail Municipal Building. In
consideration of;
1. A request fora Minor CCII exterior alteration to the Lionshead Gondola Building to allow
for the construction of an ADA elevator and a handicapped accessible ramp located at
600 Lionsead all /Lot 4, dock 1 Vail /Lionshead Filing 1.
Applicant; Vail Associates, Inc. represented by David Thorpe
Planner: George Ruther
2. A request for a worksession to discuss a proposed amendment to Chapter 18.39 df the
Vail Municipal Code ( Ski Base Recreation) and an amendment to the previously
approved development plan to allow for the redevelopment of the Golden Peak Ski Base,
located at 435 Vail Valley Drive / Tract F, Vail Village 5th filing and Tract B Vail Village
7th filing.
Applicant: Vail Associates Inc., represented by David Corbin
Planner: Jim Surnutte and Lauren Waterton
3. A request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Type Il Employee Housing Unit located at
126 Forest Road /Lot 5, dock 7, Vail Village 1 st Filing.
Applicant: Ron Byrne
Planner: Lauren Waterton
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PLANNING VI COMMISSION
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5e A request for a setback variance to allow for an addition to the existing residence located
111. ZZOMMIOAANAALLYM
Mowed/ ec�uire oer d z®nin ro 95 ev a lm ent
S ite Areas 0.3611 acre or 15,730 sq. ft. Same
Height 33 feet 33 feet
*GR FA 5,173 sq. ft 5,153 s qo ft.
* *Site Coverage 2,360 sq. ft., or 15% 2,325 sq. ft, or 14.8%
Landscaping ,4 sq. ft., or 0% min. 11,658 sq. ft., or 74.1%
P ar k ing 7 required 7 p roposed
Setbacks:
Front® 20° 23.5°
Side. 15° 4 west
Side: 15° 2 1® - east
R ear: 1 29'
*This figure includes tw 425- square foot credits plus tw 250-square foot allowa for the
HUD
" the area beneath this house and parking area exceeds a 30% slope, the site coverage
allowance is reduced from 20% to 15 %. Additionally, no more than 10% of the total site area
(1,573 square feet ) mm b e covered by driveways and surface parking.
1161® CRITERI
Upon review of Section 13, - Conditional Use Permits, theCommunity Development
De partment recommends approval of the conditional use permit based upon the followin
factors:
A. consideration of F ctors
B efore acting on a conditional use permit application, the Planning and Environmental
C ommission shall consider the, factors with resp to the proposed used
1 1 elation of the use on the evefoornent o jctives f the
Town,
W hen the Town Council adopted the Town of Vail Affordable Housin
stud on N ovember 20, 1990, it recognized the need to increase the
supply of housing. The Town encourag EHU as a me of providin
quality living conditions and expanding the supp of employee housing for
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both yea r-round and seasonal local residents. The p roposed unit will have
a positive impact on the Town housing needs.
2. The effect ofi use ® light end air d�striu #ion of oil ion
trans ertetion facilities utilities schools parks aid recreation facilities
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n ublic fa cilit needs
d other
Staff believes that there will be little impact from the proposed Type 11 EHU
on light, air, population, transportation, utilities, schools or parks.
. Effect u on traffic with articular reference t® on cation au d tiv and
pedestrian safety and convenience traffic flow gnd conk r2lagceEs .
�raaneuverailit grad re oval f know fro the street and aria are s
It is likely that there would be one additional vehicle associated with this
residence. Staff feels that this would be an insignificant impact on the
above- referenced criteria.
4. Effect upon the character of the area in hick the ro used use is to e
It�c� #� � including the scale and bulk of the ro.. u din relation
surroundina uses
The scale and bulk of the existing structure is very similar to those in
existence in the surrounding neighborhood. Since the proposed employee
h ousing unit will be located within the building, it would not appear to have
a negative effect on the scale and bulk of the residence in relation to
surrounding uses.
. Employee Hodsin Units may be allowed as a conditional use in those
zone districts as eci #led Title 1 o #the Vail unici al de fir
Ordinance No 27 Series of 1992 Emp!) ee Housing and shall be subject
to the following c nditionsa
a'. I shall e a onional use in the finale -F it si en i I T e-
F amilv Residential and Primary/ Secondary Resi zone
districts.
The subject property is zoned Primary/Secondary Resid ential.
b. It shall be permitted only on Idts hick co Dly with minimum let
size re ►rer�ents of the zone district in which the Iot i l ®ca
A t 15,730 square feet in size, the let meets the minimum lot size
requirements in the Primary/Secondary zone district.
C. It shall be located it in or attached to. inug! a it elfin or
Le 1 dated within er attache to a o- farraily ellin ursuant to
action 13.54.050 - esidn ui alines u�lex grad
ri a.ry /edondary veld rraen. It, else locate ins
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M. ZONING ANALYSIS
The following zoning analysis has been prepared for the purpose of comparing the proposed
redevelopment plan to the Ski Base/Recreation zone district development standards and to the
previously approved 1955 development plan. Fora more complete breakdown of the specific
urea within the building and a comparison of the 1985 approved plan and the 1995 proposed
plan, please see the next page.
Zoning: Ski Base/Recreation
Lot Area. 49033 acres
Allowed /Required 1935 approved 1995 proposed
by zoning develo ment pl deve!o rnent o!ml
Setbacks: As shown on the n - 95' n - 96' lo lodge
approved development s - nfa 73' to garage
plan e - s - n/a
- 206' e - 43'
w - 15' to garage
210' to lodge
Site Coverage: As shown on the 30,156 sq. ft. 31,725 sq. ft. lodge
approved development 32,254 sq. ft. of
plan parking structure
Landscaping: As shown on the N/A N/A
approved development
plan
Parking: As shown on the X149 spaces **223 spaces
approved development
plan
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Height: a fiat or mansard roof - 35' 35' Unknown'*°
60®/ roof area less than 35' 40`
40% roof area less than 40'
[Swelling Units: 1 dwelling unit per 3 acres or 6 dwelling units 6 dwelling units
6 dwelling units
GRFA: 30% of the total gross 22.0% or 23.0 or
square footage of the 14,462 sq. ft. 22,510 sq. ft.
main building
— Commercial area No limitation except retail & meeting 45,799 sq. ft. 45, 703 sq. ft.
space, which is 15% & 5% respectively
of the non - residential floor area.
**Total floor area: As shown on the 65,150 sq. ft. 30,376 sq. ft.
approved development
plan
This figure includes 113 public parking spaces, 12 spaces associated with the six residential, units, 7 general skier
drop -off spaces and 12 Children's Center spaces that were added in 1936,
°$ This figure includes 150 managed spaces, 14 spaces associated with the residential units, 29 general skier drop -
off spaces and 30 Children's Center drop -off spaces.
For a more detailed definition of how building height is calculated in the Ski Base Recreation Zone District, please
see the proposed zoning changes attached to the end of this memorandum.
" Insufficient information has been provided to confirm building height at this time,
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Square lclti comparison e 1985 approved I
Square Foots e by se
1965
1995
%Chan g
Retail space
4,633
6,360
+38%
Restaurant
12,165
9,756
-20%
Ticketing/Ski school
3,097
3,252
+ 5%
Conference/ meeting rooms
2,005
3,160
+59%
Employee lockers
7,996
5,764
-28%
Residential;
Unfit 1
FA
14,462
22,510
+56%
Common area
2,662
7,10
+167%
Parking area
2,227
5,055
+127/®
Children's Ski School
5,863
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Private Club
3,562
3,607
/A
General Common Area:
3.366
+81%
Total
Mechanical/Storage
1,790
3,717
+106®/
Circulation
7,463
7,934
+ 6%
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1.913
+144®/
Base Lodge Total
65,150
%
Managed parking structure
+ 0
+9
/A
Total Building Square Footage
65,150
139,756
+115%
Sq uami g =0Z Floor
First
28,131
29,50
+ %
Second
20,691
24,052
+16%
Third
13,190
18,311
+39%
Fourth
3,138
6.507
+171%
TOTAL
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80,376
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S uare Footage b Dwelling-Unit
Unfit 1
2,663
4,514
+57%
Unit 2
1,690
2,906
+54%
Unit 3
2,638
4,94
+87%
Unit 4
2,639
3,214
+72%
Unit 5
2,556
3,562
+39%
Unit
1.656
3.366
+81%
Total
1,
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Residential Common Area;
+2 6 2
+7 1 8
+16%
Total Residential Floor a
17,124
29,618
+ %
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IV. CRITERIA TO BE USED IN EVALUATING THI :S PRQFQSAL
Since this is a worksession, the PEC will not be reviewing the project for compliance with the
required review criteria. Please see Attachment A of the October 9, 1995 memorandum to the
EC for the complete review criteria.
V. DISCUSSION ISSUES
As mentioned previously, many elements of the Golden Peak redevelopment application are still
being worked on by the applicant. The primary purpose of this worksession is to update the
public and allow the Board members to provide direction to the applicant regarding issues related
to the proposed project. The issues are as follows:
A. Issues to e discussed at this orsessionm
1. Proposed streetscpe improvements
2. Draft Operational Management Plan
. Parking - employee, public, managed
. Zoning code amendments
B. Issues to be discussed at a subsequent P C meeting:
1. Neighborhood issue
2. Comprehensive sign program
A. s ids t l jW r si
1. Pro used Stre9tSQ a e Improve ents
Improvements in and around the Golden Peak Ski Base redevelopment area are include
in the "East Tillage" sub -area of the Streetscape Master Plan. This sub-area includes
Tail Malley Drive, Hanson Ranch Road, East Gore Creek Drive and East Meadow Drive.
The East Tillage sub -area is predominantly made up of lodges and condominiums.
Vehicular traffic is not restricted. The Golden Leak Ski Base facility and the Children's
Center are at the center of the sub-area and are both major vehicular and pedestrian
destinations.
The Streetscape Master Plan recommends that the primary goal for this area is to provide
an effective and safe pedestrian system, while accommodating the vehicle, pedestrian,
and bicycle traffic. The plan recognizes that traffic along Tail Talley Drive is very heavy
throughout most of the year. It is especially heavy in the morning and late afternoons
during the ski season and evenings and weekends during the summer months. Vail
Associates Children's Center is a major source of vehicular congestion during the winter
season, with parents dropping off and picking up children at the beginning and the end of
each day. The Master Plan points out that the roadways throughout the East Village area
are asphalt and will remain so in the final master plan. Concrete curb and gutter will be
needed on Vail Valley Drive. This will be anappropriate treatment given the existing
proposed pedestrian and vehicular traffic in the area. There is a heed for additional
seating opportunities along the pedestrian system in the East Village area. Landscape
treatments, that might be proposed as a part of the Streetscape Master Plan, will only
address those areas where landscaping infill is needed. Additional lighting ill be
necessary along Vail Valley Drive.
StreetscaDe Master Plan Recommen
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constructed concrete sidewalk, or should the new sidewalk area be concrete?
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The applicant's design consultant has indicated that the avin material on this side of
the road as "yet to be determined," to allow for further discussion by the
r t t r I c i
Along it Valley Drive, from Manor Vail's north entry to the soccer field, s t to
ten- foot wide concrete unit walkway is recommended on the south side of the road.
The plan points out that retaining waIts will be needed in r
inadequate right-of-way illi de being immediately to roadway.
There is sidewalk r for the i street due to the i t
physical constraints I the northerly right-of-way line. The plan recommends
that a sidewalk/crosswalk I i n will be necessary to provide safe ri
access through l u run area.
ff Anal sis;
Vail Associates is proposing to continue the pedestrian walkw on the south side of Vail
Valley Drive, as suggested in the plan, from Manor Vail's north entry to a point just east of
the Children's Center. Vail Associates is not proposing any streetscae improvements,
beyond this point, to the soccer field. As mentioned previously, staff believes that all
elements depicted on the Streetscape Master Plan shou! d be designed from the
Transportation Center to the soccer field. A discussion of cost-sharing is then needed to
establish each party's appropriate level of financial responsibility (VA, Town of Vail,
neighborhood).
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The existing Vista a n of recreational tr it and the pedestrian connection
to Ford Park through Man r Vail, will be used f this r pedestrian
system. o V il's entry to r d park should include iti l signing r an
entry statement.
Staff Anal sire
Staff feels that there should be additional si na e at oth ends of the Ford Park path in
order to better inform the public as to the location of this pedestrian link between Golden
Peak and one of its associated parking areas. The location of these signs shou! d be
identified on a site plan, with the signs themselves depicted on the comprehensive sign
program.
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Additional minor pedestrian either concrete or asphalt, are proposed
follows:
east/west An connection t it Valley Drive and xi i
recreational trail west of the iv li®
path north of the tennis u the north entry of the Gold i base
facility.
An east/west connection between Vail Valley Drive and the existing recreation trail west
of the Tivoli has not been provided as suggested, however, the applicant's plan does
reflect a new 4' wide asphalt path continuing south alongside Mill Creek Circle. This path
will provide a pedestrian connection between the Vail Valley Drive sidewalk and the
existing recreation trail which crosses Mill Creek Circle further to the south.
As recommended in the plan, Vail Associates is proposing to provide a path north of the
tennis courts to the north entry of the Golden Peak Ski Base Facility.
Streetscape Master Plan Recommendation
Consider eliminating the winter-time parking use on Chalet Road. Closure of the
dead-end road and development of a pocket park/open space area should be
pursued.
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toff An al sis:
At the Ford Park entrance, a handicap drop-off has been provided by the Town of Vail.
This improvement has increased the visibility and usefulness of this important access to
Ford Park and the Nature Center.
Staff fools that the plaza at the intersection of Vail Valley Drive and Mill Creek Circle
should be designed as suggested in the Streetscape Master Plan. This plan shows the
sidewalk angling away from Vail Malley Drive in order to provide small landscape islands
at the corners of the intersection with Mill Creek Circle. The plan also shows a landscape
island in the center of the plaza.
The proposal from Vail Associates indicates that the entire corner area will be paved
(concrete unit avers) with landscaping provided south of the plaza area. Additionally,
three benches are depicted.
Staff believes that additional work should be done on this element of the plan to make
this focal point more aesthetically pleasing to users and passers-by. Something similar to
Mayor's Park, at the intersection of Vail Road and West Meadow Drive, would seem to be
an appropriate exa le of the type of improvements that should be provided in this area.
Streets Streetscaoe Master Plan Recommendation
It is r that the it r 's Center bus stop relocated to f
the I n Peak ski base facility for two reasons: ) congestion caus
drop-off traff is at the es t location causes 1 s for ) the proposed
location r vi s better access for summer events in Ford Park. pedestrian
crosswalk from the relocated bus st the r Vail/Ford Park Vail/For t ill be
necessary.
toff Anal else
After several meetings with Town of !Gail staff, Vail Associates staff and neighborhood
representatives, it was determined that the best location for the bus stop is where it is .
currently located, between the Children's Center and the base lodge. This location
promotes the use of the bus system by providing bus riders with the best access to the
the ticket windows, the Children's Center and the ski lifts.
A pedestrian crosswalk, in the same location suggested in the Master Plan, to the Manor
Vail /Ford Park path has been provided with the new redevelopment plan. Additionally,
Vail Valley D rive will be relocated in front of Manor Vail to improve site distances an
provide a safer driveway intersection with Vail Valley Drive.
BI Lee tsc r PI n ec i
The westbound bus stop, that is r s tl located on Vail Valley Drive r the
bridge over Gore Creek, is recommended to be eliminated request of area
residents o reduce vehicular/bus n sti t at the
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reetscaDe ter Plan Recommendation
Add a neck down at the east end of Hanson Ranch Road (at Vail Valley Drive). This
narrowing of the roadway discourages unnecessary traffic and provides an
opportunity for additional landscaping.
5Laff Analyais.
The applicant is proposing to carry out this recommendation of the Streetscape Master
Plan.
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recommendations for changes to the operational elements of the ski base as necessary.
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Second tier members would also have the right to use the club facilities. These members
would be required to call more than 24 hours in advance to reserve their use of an
available space. A reservation list would be compiled it for use by VA personnel
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stationed the attendant booth at the entry to the structure.
In the event that not all of the 100 second tier parking spaces are reserved on a given
day by the club members, Vail Associates reserves the right to utilize theses aces for
ether guests, members of the skiing public, employees or other persons who would call
and reserve a space less than 24, hours in advance.
This provision in the operational structure of the club would allow full, or nearly full,
utilization of at least 100 of the 150 parking spaces in the structure. Members of the
general public are able to reserve a second tier parking space but will not have the right
to Utilize club amenities.
Staff Anal sis:
Staff feels that the proposed management of the parking structure can reduce the number
of vehicle trips on Vail Valley Drive caused by people looking for public parking. As soon
as it is known by the general public that no parking is available at the Golden Peak site,
the number of trips along Vail Valley Drive should be reduced. Staff recognizes the
importance of fully utilizing the parking structure at all times and feels that the
Management Plan, that allows the general public to call in and reserve a space less than
24 hours in advance provides maximum utilization, when spaces are not otherwise going
to be used by second tier club members.
Staff however, is concerned about the proposed attendant booth located at the entrance
of the parking structure. It may give the appearance that this parking structure is
available to the public and that anyone may pull up and see if a space is available. This
may encourage unnecessary trips down Vail Valley Drive, thereby increasing traffics
The PEC may wish to ask the applicant to explore other options that will allow members
to access the structure, thereby allowing the removal of the attendant booth.
The PEC should consider how changes to this program will be handled after it is
operational. Should changes to the operation of this parking structure return to the PEC
for their approval?
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As depicted on the site plans that have been reviewed by the staff and P C, there are
o drop -off areas at the Golden Peak Ski Base; one designed for the general skiing
public and one designed for Children's Center use. The Management Plan states that
during the Christmas peak, the drop -off areas will be staffed with 4-6 people, split
between the two drop -off zones, during the peak arrival and departure hours. These
personnel will direct traffic, assist and expedite loading and unloading of passengers and
equipment, encourage th timely departure of vehicles and enforce the restrictions of
unauthorized parking. During the high season 2-4 people will staff these drop-off zones,
split between the two areas as traffic demands during the peak arrival and departure
hours. During all other periods, the areas will be staffed upon the discretion of Vail
Associates as it may be required.
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Staff has made Vail Associates aware that employee parking at the Holy Cross lot will
require the approval of a Conditional Use Permit and review by the PEC, d to its
existing zoning (Arterial B usiness D istrict).
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VA is prop osing to extend its perio of mountain operations later into the day (e g. until
4.00 p.m.), to spread out the departure times of skiers from the mountain. The
Ma nagement Plan also points out that VA will continue to restrict employee passes during
Christm p eak and President's weekend,
The improved food and beverage cap abilities of the new Golden Peak Base facility will
serve t o stagg the publics d from the portal.
The M anag em ent P lan also p oints out that VA will coord inate with the Town and CDOT
regarding the installation of si na a at b ase facilities, advising e artin skiers of road
conditions and if conditions are adverse, inviting the skiers to stay later in the Village and
raw out their departure tim
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The idea of extending the mountain operations to lengthen the time in the afternoon when
people come off the mountain is a good idea. We would only recomm adding
additional si nae on the mountain to direct people to the different portals so that they
arrive at the place they want to be.
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Community p rograms such as D EVO, which is a specialized ski school class for local
children, currently operates at G olden Peak in Vail and at B eaver Creek. Many of the
traffic problems associated with Golden Peak are a result of the DEVO drop-offs an
pick -ups. In order to alleviate some of the problems and conflict with the Children's
Center drop -off, as well as the general skier drop -off, Vail Associates is proposing to
stagger the DEVO program arrivals and departures in advance of the typical arrivals of
the ski school and the general skier drop-offs. This will allow for a more even distribution
of drop -offs throughout the weekend mornings; Drop-off for DEVO will be formalized and
managed with the help of DEVO, instructors to prevent vehicles stacking into Vail Valley
Drive. Vail Associates is also investigating the possibility of splitting the DEVO program
and basing a portion of it out of Lionshea,
Staff Analysis:
S taff feels that spreading out the DEVO arrivals, and coordinating it with the arrivals of
the general skiers and the Children's Center, many of the cong estion prob lems
exp erienced at G olden Peak will be alleviated. If it is necessary to move som of the
D EVO operations to Lionshea , consideration should be given for where the d n
is -up for that p rogram can occur. Although, the Managem Plan recommends h t if
the tier 1 techniques are not successful in resolving traffic congestion, the DEVO program
may be terminated. However, staff believes that this is a beneficial prog to the
comm unity and all attempts should be made to keep it in Vail.
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SkLiClub Vail
Ski Club Vail is a private non - profit ski club which is not associated with Vail Associates.
However, VA does provide on- mountain access for training and racing events for Ski Club
Vail. Currently there are many problems associated with Ski Club Vail resulting from a
lack of on -site parking and skier drop -off areas.
Vail Associates, in their management plan, has committed to doing what they can to
improve the situation including coordinating Ski Club Vail programs with other special
events to prevent overcrowding of groups in the portal at any one time, coordinating start
times for Ski Club Vail during peak periods and high season, so that arrivals will occur
between the general public peak arrival and departure times, and encouraging Ski Club
Vail users to drop -off using the general skier drop -off zone.
taff Analyais
Staff feels that the proposed management techniques will improve the existing traffic
congestion currently resulting in conjunction with Ski Club Vail operations, Because this
is an organization not directly associated with Vail Associates, it is difficult to control their
individual operations. However, Vail Associates has committed to doing hat they can to
help alleviate the existing problems.
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This portion of the Management Plan details how VA is proposing to coordinate it's ski
school classes with the morning arrivals of other user groups, as well as other techniques
designed to reduce dwell time of automobiles in the drop -off zones and to promote the
use of public transit.
Staff Anal
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Staff believes that the PC should discuss whether or not these steps are adequate to
assure the smooth flow of automobiles through the drop-off zones.
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The proposed new Ski Base facility at Golden Peak includes an enclosed loading dock to
be located between the parking structure and the base facility, at ground level. The
loading dock door can be seen on the north elevation drawings of the building an
parking structure. The new loading dock will allow for all deliveries to occur inside the
building. The loading dock is also sized in a manner to allow for storage in the area®'
Delivery and trash removal times are proposed to be scheduled outside of the opening
and closing of the mountain, so as to alleviate any congestion associated with skier drop-
off and is -u.
Staff nal sis:
Staff feels comfortable with the loading, delivery and trash removal element of this plan.
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This element of the Operational Management Plan refers to the snow n e ent plan
that has been provided to the Town of Vail.
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The snow management plan identifies the areas at Golden Peak that will be snow melted,
plowed, and where snow will be stored for short periods of times The plan further
indicates that any snowfall of 4" or more will be immediately removed (between the hours
of 7.00 a. m. - 8:30 a.m. in the morning).
Staff An Iysisa
Staff recommends that the P C discuss the frequency of snow removal from the
temporary snow storage areas, which are proposed to occur in the Children's Center and
general skier drop-off zones. The plan calls for snow removal from these zones "within
o to seven as," or immediately if snow storage results in congestion in the drop-off
zones.
TighfIftn
In this portion of the Management Plan, VA explains that it is their opinion that since
ticketing occurs right before a guest is ready to ski, it has no impact on traffic congestion
at the Golden Peak Base facility. The plan then goes on to explain the new "direct to lift"
program, which will be implemented by Vail Associates during the 1994-1995 ski season.
Staff Analysis.
When staff requested that VA provide information regarding ticketing, it would appear that
ell times in the Children's Center drop-off zone could be significantly reduced if parents
did not accompany the child into the building in order to register them for the days
program. Staff would like to see VA consider this as anoption, however, we believe that
this function can be addressed in the ski school element of the Management Plan an
that this section can be eliminated from the plan,
Spgcial Events
Golden Peak is the site of many ski races andspecial events throughout the year. The
Management Plan goes on to explain how a number of special events are proposed to be
handled at the Golden Peak area. The Management Plan suggests that special events at
Golden Peak by managed through the standard, special event permitting process of the
Town of Vail,
taff Anal sis;
Staff feels that the existing Town of Vail special event permitting process is capable of
addressing each of the special events and their particular needs as required. .
3. Parkin - loyee / Pu lick ana e
The 1985 approved plan depicted a total oft 0 parking spaces at the Golden Peak site.
This figure included a total of 12 spaces (6 enclosed) dedicated to the residential units at
Golden Peak, as well as a few spaces dedicated to drop-off for the nursery. In 1
when the Children's Center plan was approved by the Town, an additional 12 short -ter
drop-off s aces were required: Additionally, 7 general skier drop-off s aces were
provided on the inside loop of the bus lame for a total of 149 sacs dedicated to drop-off
and parking.
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Rather than provide a detailed explanation of all proposed text changes in this
memorandum, staff requests that the PEC members review the document and ask for
clarification/explanation of any portion of it at the October 23, 1995 worksession. The text
proposed to be deleted from the District has a line through it and the text which is
proposed to be added to the District is in bold.
'L PROPOSED Semi:ni ii r.
It is the applicant's goal to come back to the PEC for final review of the Golden Peak Ski Base
redevelopment at the November 13, 1995 e tin Since this is the final opportunity for staff to
review the plans prior to the P C's last review of the project, we requested that all drawing e
submitted to our office by -00 a. m., Monday, October 2, 1995. (With the exception that the
applicant will be allowed to amend the strescape improvement plan, management plan an
zoning code text amendments in order to respond to today's PEC comments).
It is the applicant's intention to have a worksession with the Vail Town Council on November 28,
1995, with first and 2nd readings of the ordinance approving the project occurring in December.
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Since this is a worksession, no formal staff recommendation will be made at this time. Staff
requests that the above- listed issues be discussed in detail, so the applicant and staff have clear
direction on how to proceed with the proposed redevelopment plan.
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GOLDEN PEAK OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT PLAN
Vail Associates, Inc. ("VA") has riled an icati to amend the Appro ve
Development Ian for the Golden ea a s e Facility. The amendments include
revisions to vehicular parking on the site, the design'and function of of public
skier and Children's Center drop off, as well as alterations to employee parking, lift
capacity, and i base operations. In the course othe submittal, VA has made
certain representations regarding the physical site . plan and the operations of the
portal. The Town of Vail Department of uni ty Development has requested
elaboration® This plan expands u and supplements the application and, tot the
extent It Is inconsistent with the application, supplants It®
This Golden Peak Management Plan intended to enhance the experiences
of guests to Vail and the residents o t e Golden Peak neighborhood in a manner
consistent with the goals and ectives oft the Agreement between the Town of Vail
( "°T V ") and Vail Associates to manage peak periods in this resort community.
effect, the measures proposed in this plan are means of managing or controlling the
demands upon e Golden Peak portal and the impacts upon its surrounding
infrastructure. The concepts and principles of the Program. To Manage Peak
Periods Agreement (the "Agreement") bets een TOV and VA are therefore
incorporated y reference into t is management plan.
cultural event. Events such as these will by necessity mean that Vail will experience
For their parts, pursuant to the Agreement, both VA and TOV have
immediate responsibilities to undertake growth management measures. Secti on HI
(pees 11-16) oft the Agreement outlines these immediate res onsi ilities under Tier
oft the Plan® A's obligations include measures which might mitigate impacts at
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For these purposes it is pertinent to note that in the rep "Peak
The Assessment o i ee, described in Section V1 of ree ent, is the
entity charged with it ri , evaluating, and refining the operations of the
community anage ent plan. For the purposes of this r°ee a t, the Assessment
Committee is likewise charged i this responsibility, but it is understood that for
these purposes the Assessment Committee may delegate its review function to the
Vail Transportation Task Force or other designee and shall include re rese tative
of the affected of err Peak neighborhood the review roces®
The project components or elements which might be considered for tiered
management techniques at Golden Peak include the following: a) Managed
Parking Structure; ( Public Skier and Children's Center Drop-off Areas; (c
Employee Parking; ( Mountain Operations; (e Local and o uni ty Programs,
such as ; ( Ski Club Vail Activities; Adult and Children's i School; (
Loading, Delivery Trash Removal; Snow Management;
and (i) Ticketing; and (k)
Special Events®
H. MANAGED PARKING STRUCTURE
The. Approved Development, Plan of. 1984 depicted 130 surface parking
spaces, primarily located on the north side of rac along ail Valley Drive for all
varieties of users of this particular portal and 6 interior parking spaces fort the
residential condominiums. The Children's enter plan of 1988 required 12 spaces.
Taken together these total 148 spaces for drop off and parking. resently the
surface lot existing at Golden Peak holds approximately 150 automobiles or less
depending on the amount of snow storage on the lot and the efficiencies of car
storage. Of these 150 spaces roughly 18-20 are used loyees; Spraddle Creek
Property Owners reserve and utilize spaces; 4 spaces are used for Cross Country
i Van pick-up and r p- , and approximately 11 spaces are available for use
by the skiing public for a fee.
Parking requirements for the Ski Base/Recreation District are addressed in
Section 18.39.230 oft the Wail Ordinances which reads:
"Off-street parking shall provided in accordance with a ter 18.52
and/or asspecified the Approved Develo ment Ia "(e sis sir lie )
The language of is section permits and contemplates a parking function an
design unique tot is district and its development plan. In response tot is unique
environment the parking structure proposed in this lan consists of 150 parking
spaces located at or below the street elevation and landscaped across the top to
provide an aesthetic benefit tot the development and e surrounding ei orhood.
The fundamental concept of the organization and management of these parking
spaces, the equivalent of a Tier I management technique, is to create a managed or
reserved "right to park". mechanism. designed control the availability and use of
the spaces and a ce cut down on indiscriminate traffic flows while providing for
and paying for the aesthetic benefits of the landscaped structure. The mechanism
formulated to provide this managed parking product tote public is o ®e ui
club or association of to 500 members who would have the right to'park in this
structure for a fee. Two tiers of membership in association are contemplated.
The first tier would consist of up to 100 e ers who would have a right to park in
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an identified reserved parking space. The second tier of members would be up to
400 people who have a right to park in t cture based upon monitored an
computer controlled eie ati system. is the intent of the applicant t initially
offer 50 first tier and 200 second tier . memberships to the public. Parking
in ers i s would be sold in the fall of contingent upon final approval oft the
Golden ea se Facility Project by the Town of ail and sufficient subscriptions
to commence construction of the r king structure in the spring 1996, but no
later than spring of 1997. In the event that the necessary cri tions are not
forthcoming by spring 1996 to commence construction in 1996, the applicant well
build 0 surface parking spaces to - be used.on an interim basis until the end of ski
season, 1997. The res ale" requirement to commence construction in 1996 is
approximately 2103 subscriptions.
The first tier member would secure a right to use a particular parking space
on a year-round basis. Hence, the ratio of first tier members to parking Spaces
reserved for their use would be I to 1® The second tier members would have a year-
round right to use a parking space based upon availability and prior re*servation,
monitored y a computerized rotation system to insure equitable an optimized arse.
The initial offering of second tier memberships would constitute a ratio of
members to every parking space. These members would call the parking manager
more than 24-hours in advance to reserve their use of available spaces.
reservation list from among the members would be compiled ai for the
management of entry access by personnel stationed in the attendant booth at the
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entry to the structure. Access into the structure would be permitted upon
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In the event that all parking spaces are not fully reserved and utilized by the
club members, operator of the facility, - reserves the right at any time of tM*
year to utilize unreserved spaces for other guests, members of the skiing public,
employees or other persons who likewise must It and reserve a space less than 24-
hours in advance. This short-notice use by non-members would be permitted onl
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® Tier L Management measures o be undertaken in e uential fashion
concurrexitly with redevelopment include:
I- During the Christmas Peak period will staff the General Skier and
Children's Center drop off zones with- 4 to 6 people, . split between the drop
ofF zones as traffic needs demand, during peak arrival and e a ure hours
or approximately fro to 10 a. m. and ® to 4t3 hese traffic
managers ill direct traffic, assist and expedite the loading and unloading of
passengers and equipment, a coura e the timely and swift departure of
vehicles, and enforce restrictions against unauthorized r° i by calling for
the removal or towing of offending vehicles.
2. During the High Season period VA will staff the General Skier and
Children's drop off zones with to 4 people, split between the zones as traffic
demand arrival
needs during ea and epa tyre hours.
During non -peak periods and during evening or night hours the drop off
zones would be staffed or managed upon the operational iscretion of VA as
may be needed to prevent congestion, or vehicle stacking into Vail Valley
Drive or the bars lame® During these periods and times, except forspecial
events, VA will permit parking byte general public in the drop-off zone
surface s aces consistent with the practice and e of other VA parking lots
such as North Day lot®
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44, Permanent, static, signa e at the top of lue Cow Chute will be installed
by TOV indicating that there is no public parking at of e n Peak and that
only Children's Center and skier drop off is permitted.
5. In Section V (page ) of the Agreement additional s ier drop off zones
have been identified as "pressing current transportation and circulation
needs". VA wiIl therefore cooperate with the in identifying additional
s ider drop ott zones elsewhere in the town including or Park, Main
Parking cture, Lia s ea , and other locations which will be formalized
and improved the Town of `mail. Initially TOV will develop an
implement a plan for general skier drop on the upper deck aft the
Transportation Center utilizing existing physical improvements and facilities.
_ Upon e conclusion of each ea k Period and ski season the Asses s ent
Committee or its designee, willspecifically assess access to and egress from
the mountain at Golden Peak, together with traffic and ro impacts
associated with the skier movements and will make recommendations for
adjustments or improvements to the Tier I management techniques
described above.
(. ) Tier H. In the event that some or all of the Tier I management
techniques above have been implemented and traffic congestion in the drop
off zones still results in vehicle stacking into the street or bus lanes to a
degree detrimental to the ordinary operation of the infrastructure, then the
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Tier L The following management techniques will be implemented
sequentially upon redevelopment to mitigate employee transportation
i . pacts and serve the needs oft the community's employees:
1® VA, together with TOV, ill e ter into negotiations with the Colorado
Department of vans ation to secure, if possible, an employee park and
- ride intercept lot on i ay 6 in le -Vail® This lot would be used for VA
and TOV employees to park their vehicles in a t ail and utilize
established pu lic transportation routes to continue on to ei job locations
- in Vail. In the event the CDOT site is not available or unsuitable, other sites
will be, located and secured for a park and ride lot®
2® To the extent space availability exists during non-peak periods, V. A. will
permit m anaged employee ar in y reservation in the parking structure at
Golden PealL
® During Peak Periods VA employees will carpool to the soccer field lot
pursuant to the Holiday Tra ffic and Parking Plan as ana a operate
by TOV or alternatively as managed by V®
® During the Christmas peak period and, in fact, extending eyon it from
December 24 until January in any given year, VA will implement its
Holiday Traffic and ar l® During this period VA will providefree
bus tickets forte Avon /Beaver Creek bus system to all staff. Parking in VA
lots such as West Day Lot and North ay Lot, will be available for free to
employees who carpool. Employees not carpooling ill be charged a fee®
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will add the Holy Cross Lot to its parking inventory for eak® Brio
employee carpooling.
6. As necessary, VA will assign employees carpooling locations in particular
lots among the West Day, North ay and Holy Cross properties and manage
entry access into these ro a ies.
7. VA will lease 20 parking aces from a third a or, alternatively,
purchase se " blu e " parking asses from the or parking in the town
structures.
Upon the conclusion of each ea Period and the ski season, the
Assessment Committee or its designee will monitor the 'Tier I techniques
described above, assess the operational results, and make recommendations
r° alterations or enhancements to e plan. .
(B.) Tier 11. In the event that some or all of the ier I management
techniques ave been implemented and employee parking and transit is still a
concern, additional methods of employee transit and ar ing will be
undertaken at the. recommendation of the Assessment Committee or its
designee.
V. MOUNTAV4
-) Tier Management measures to be undertaken durig peak periods in
a sequential fashion concurrently with redevelopment include:
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1. VA will extend its periods of mountain operations later into the day (e.g.
until 4:00 p.m to spread out the departure times of skiers from the
b VA and/or TOV will implement additio ier I measures which have
t yet been employed or will enhance those Tier I techniques already in use
according to the recommendations of the Assessment Committee or its
designee.
will continue to tae measures to balance the functionality and use of
- its portals, as well as on-mountain circulation. Capital expenditures will be
made as needed to continually adjust this balance.
V AL AND COMMUNITY PROGRAMS
" " is an abbreviation fort the Vail Development Team, a Children's
School Program consisting of 300 children which ers specialized ski school classes
to the children of locals and front range skiers. The high concentration of locals
participating in the program results in an inordinately high drop off impact on non-
peak Saturdays which mimics peak conditions throughout the season.
.) Tier 1. Measures to be sequentially undertaken concurrently with
redevelopment include®
® The DEVO program does not runt during the Christmas Peak or over
Presidents' Weekend. The program will continue to a limited in this
fashion.
. .Arrivals for the DEVO program will be staggered in advance of the
typical ski school or mountain opening times. DEVO arrival will be
scheduled for 8:30 a. m., one -half hour prior to lift opening. Pick up will
likewise be scheduled earlier than regular mountain closure.
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3. D rop for DEVO will be formalized n d managed by DEVO instructors
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in the of en Peak skier drop off zones to prevent stacking into the streets®
. VA will investigate splitting the DEVO program f urther and basing some
po rtion of the program in Lionshead o staging it at other drop off zones®
For example, moving the Freestyle Program, approximately 15% oft the
"DE VO skiers, to another drop off zone such s the TOV structure will be
explored and imp lemented if alternate drop offs are created. to in EV
out the ions ea Teen enter will su be explore with , includin
` the creation of short- 3 inute, drop is k-up park spaces in
the io ea Parking t cture
5. DEVO race events will be moved in hole or in a other local courses
6® Upon the conclusion f each ski season the Assessment Committee or its
des ignee will assess the imp acts caused by the DEVO program and e
recommendations foradjustment r° improvement t the Tier I techniques
described above®
(B.) Tier H. In the event that some or all of e Tier I tech niques have been
implemented and DEV still adversely impacts portal congestion then t
following successive m anagement efforts will be undertaken in the next s
season or Peak P eriod :
1® DEVO will be relocate in part or in whole to other portals, includin
d own-valley portals accessing ever Creek Mountain.
® DEVO and other such local programs will be terminate
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VII. SIKI CLUB VAIL
` Club Vail is a private, non-profit ski club is is not owned, operated,
or managed by VA. VA, however, provides on-mountain access for training and
racing events for Ski Club Vail. Ski Club ail training accounts for approximately
0,000 gate starts per year and Ski Club Vail racing activities. account for an
additional 15,000 gate starts er year. Generally racing activity, including Ski Clu
Vail, runs from a. m. until 4:30 p.m. and re e tly occurs seven s per week
during the ski season.
. Tier 1 . Management measures to be taken concurrently, with
redevelopment include:
1® Ski Club Vail programs will be coordinated wi other special events, as
as done during the 199411995 season, to prevent overcrowding of rou s in
the portal at any one time.
2. Start times for Ski Club Vail during peak periods and i season will be
coordinated so that Ski Club Vail arrival times will occur before the 9 a. m.
peaty hour rush and ilt be terminated later in the afternoon to spread. t e
departure fro the ski mountain.
3. VA wil.1 allow and encourage Ski Club Vail users to arrive and depart
using the General Skier Drop-off one.
4. Upon the conclusion of the ski season, the Assessment Committee or its
designee will monitor the Tier I techniques described above, assess the
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will emphasize a "one stop shop" of lessons and ui ent, including
overnight storage, which will reduce the need for arrival by private
automobile as eII as reduce dwell times of automobiles which do arrive for
drvp off.
3. VA will promote in its marketing materials the convenience of public
transit which services the area®
4. VA will investigate t opportunities or telephone or electronic
preregistration in ski school in . o to cut down the dwell times of
automobiles ro in skiers off fors ° school registration.
5. Upon the conclusion of each ea erio and the ski season, the
Assessment Committee or its designee will assess congestion in the ortal
related to ski school activities and make recommendations for adjustments or
improvements tot the Tier I management techniques discussed above.
(B.) Tier 11. In the event that some or all of the Tier I management
techniques have been implemented and congestion associated with the ski
schools still results . in crowding in the portal then the following additional
management steps will be sequentially implemented:
1® The recommendations for improvements or adjustments made by the
Assessment o i ee or its designee will be instituted in the following
season or Peak Period.
2° VA will make improvements to its Lionshead Ski School facilities upon the
red evelopment oft at portal taking pressure off of the Golden Peak portal.
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IX. LOADING, DELIVERY AND TRASH REMOVAL
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2. The Assessment Committee will review assess truck eliveries and
service at the conclusion of each ® season and a e recommendations for
afterations or improvements as necessary.
Tier H. I the event that some or all oft the above easures have been
implemented and if loading, delivery and/or trash removal resents in
operational inefficiencies in the portal then the following anage ent
techniques will be implemented in the next succeeding ski season:
1. The recommendations of the Assessment Committee will be implemented.
will endeavor to deliver larger loads to Golden Peak and store
additional food and beverage on site reducing the number of trips or
I arrange night delivery to avoid traffic congestion.
X. SNOW MANAGEMENT
Snow management at Golden Peak will be conducted in a manner similar to
that in other VA portals. Snow storage zones have been depicted upon the revise
snow storage map prepared and submitted with the Application.
(A. Tier I d The following management efforts. ill be undertaken with
respect to snow storage and management during the ski season, including
peak and high season periods.
1® VA will by contractwith third parties or through its own forces plow all
areas of vehicular circulation as depicted n the Snow Management Plan by
am. every morning upon a snowfall of 4 or more inches.
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2 V, through its own forces, will remove snow from sidewalks and plaia
arras icte upon the Snow Management Plan by means of a bobcat, an
V and/or by hand between the ou of 7 and on all mornings
following a snowfall of 4 inches or m ore.
®.. VA will store snow in temporary snow storage areas within the drop off
zones and within two to seven days of a " snowfall will use loaders and
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trucks to remove the snow stored there and transport it from the site®
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Impacts on traffic congestion will determine the speed and frequency
r~ `oval of snow'froin the temporary snow storage areas. VA will remove
snow immediately if snow storage results in congestion in the ro ®o zones
causing auto stacking into the street
the end of each ea Period and the ski season the Assessment
Committee or its designee will review snow removal performance during the
season and, as necessary, make recommendations for adjustments. or
improvements to the Tier I techniques described above.
(B.) 'Tier H. Ire the event that some or all of the ie I techniques designed to
manage snow have noteffectively cleared the snow from e drop off zones or
other public areas and/or have impacted ircuIatio on the public streets,
then VA will implement recommendations made by the Assessment
Committee or its designee.
XI® TICKETING
The ticketing function ri argly occurs right before a guest Is ready to ski;
that is, after that est has arrived at Golden Peak. believes at any congestion
that Ynay occur at the ticketing area at Golden Peak has no impact on traffic
congestion at the Golden Peak Base Facility. However, to improve the experience of
the guest, VA has implemented a "direct to lift" program to relieve congestion at all
tic e `i g areas®
For the, past few years, VA has implemented scanning ec oo that has
allowed season pass holders to asst the ticketing i is technology ill be
expanded in the 95-96 ski season to include Colorado Card and the new Vail Valley
Club Card members. There were approximately , olora Card olds for
the ®95 ski season. The Vail Valley Club Card is new for the 9 ski season and
targets the destination guest. It is estimated that approximately , cars will be
issued for the 9596 ski season® This process will work as follows: any holder of a
Colorado Card or Vail Valley Club Card will be required on his or her initial visit to
go to the ticketing window and provide a credit card. Upon subsequent visits to
Vail Ski Mountain, card holders ill have their Colorado or Vail Valley Club Car
scanned at the maze, thereby directly charging their credit card with the
appropriate charge and reducing the queing at the window.
XII. SPECIAL EVENTS AND SKI RACING
Golden Peak is the site of many ski races and special events during the course
of a ski season® Typically the racing season begins in mid-December and runs
through early April. Training fors ' racing can be broken down as follows: Ski
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Club ail generates 60,000 ate starts per year; high school ray ra s add 7,50
ate starts per year; and corporate/club training events add 7,500 more stets per
year. Actual racing start for th ese three User groups are approximately 15,000 gate
starts per year for Ski Club Vail, with an additional , starts per year for local
high school p rograms, starts per year for corporate and club racing.
These total roughly 102,000 gate starts per year and average 4.5 ski racing events
per week. Daily activity for ski racing typically ences at ®30 a. m. an
continues until 4:30 p.m. Of these race events two or three major televised events
occur each year, not all of which are headquartered out of the Golden Peak course.
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These include the P Tour, FIS Wo rld Ir and North erica T rophy Series
races® In 1999 the World Championships will be held at Vail and opening
ceremonies are scheduled for Golden Peak. Race starts and demand for training
space have been growing steadily for the past decade.
Special Events which occur at Golden Peak, in ition to the routine racing
programs, include various snowboarding events which raw typically 100 to 250
people, the. U.S. ro Tour which draws 'about 5 u le., and Hot Winter Nights
T ` events which draw 500 to 1000 people typically in February and arc and up to
3000 people urin the Christmas holiday.
® Tier I ® Management techniques already utilized and in ace at Golden
Peak r which will be implement wit redevelopment include:
1. Snowboarding events typically held in non-peak periods are usually small
with i I impact on portal arrivals r use. Arrivals and staging of event
participants ilI be managed with a on e on "as needed" basis.
2. Hot Winter Nights events are held during off hours and do not interfere
with other portal arrivals or demands on infrastructure. These will be
managed it personnel on an "as needed" basis.
® Major events, such televised FIS racing events, the orl
Championships, ajor bicycle race events, and summer fireworks will be
managed through the standard special event permitting process oft the
4® At e. end of each ea Period and ski season the Assessment Committee
or its designee will review and a e recommendations concerning Special
Events and racing activities at of err Peak and their impacts on the portal
and congestion in the surrounding infrastructure®
(B.) Tier 11. In the event some or all of the Tier I techniques have been
implemented and congestion has still resulted at the portal which aversely
effects traffic or surrounding town infrastr,ucture then will implement,the
recommendations of the Assessment Committee or its designee in the
following ski season or Peak Period. In addition the following successive
management tec ni ues will be implemented:
1° Special events will be moved in a from is portal to down valley
locations.
Jay Peterson, an attorney representing Ron Byrne, said the building bulk and mass would not
change, but one additional person would be living on Forest Road. If we are looking to put back
locals into town, this request would do so.
Larry Levin, a Holme, Roberts & Owen attorney representing Mike Flannery, stated that a lawsuit
is pending in the Federal District Court in Denver. One of the issues is the correct boundary line
between Lots 5 and 6 on the west side. One of the criteria in question is if all aspects of the
zoning have been interpreted correctly.
Planning and Environmental Commission
Minutes
October 23, 1995
Planning and Environmental Commission
N inutes
October 23, 1995 3
A discussion will need to occur regarding Who will pay for the improvements. The TOV has
budgeted for improvements to Vail Valley Drive. The memo has Streetscape Master Plan
recommendations in bold followed by the staff's analysis.
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I. FLoposed Streetscape llrn"gypments
Jim Curnutte went over the memo as Lauren Waterton followed along and pointed out on the
plan the improvements, encroachments, etc. The plan calls for an 8'wide paver sidewalk to be
added to the west side of Vail Valley Drive and a 4'wide walkway on the east side.
Diane Milligan, speaking on behalf of the Ramshorn, addressed the sidewalk on the east side of
the street from a safety and aesthetic stand point. An 8'wide sidewalk on the west side made
sense to her. An east-side sidewalk would be a partial sidewalk because it could not be
continuous due to the 2 exits from the Ramshorn. It is dangerous and doesn't enhance
pedestrian safety as they are forced to walk in the street. The Ramshorn has mature
landscaping and she didn't want it removed with new construction. The Streetscape Plan would
have to have the trees removed and this would not be beneficial to the Town. Construction of
the east sidewalk doesn't make sense for either safety or aesthetic reasons.
Kevin Deighan suggested trimming the trees up to provide for 6' of headroom underneath for the
sidewp,Jk.
Diane Milligan said that the Board of Directors might go for it if they could be assured that the
trees would not be damaged as a result of that pruning. The roots of the trees might be ruined.
Diane feels it presents a safety issue with a sidewalk on the east side and shouldn't be
encouraged. They should instead encourage a sidewalk on the west side of the street. There are
just too many exits and entrance points on the east side of that street.
Planning and Environmental Commission
N4inutes
October 23, 1995 4
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,girn Lamont suggested more mature landscaping, however he understands there is a problem if
getting water to keep the landscaping alive. Qualitatively, if you remove trees you don't have
anything left and the entire area would be cars.
Bob Armour said we might close down Chalet Road in the future.
Armour asked Greg Hall how to slow down traffic in the neighborhocF4
Greg Hall said he was constrained because of the right-of-way. Perhaps a tighter curve at the
Tivoli would help slow traffic or maybe posting a more realistic speed limit. There are appropriate
widths for the road now consisting of two 12'drive lanes mostly to handle buses. There is the —
curb and gutter vs. the pan question. The curb and gutter system provides a barrier and also —
carries water more efficiently.
Planning and Environmental Commissi ®n
Minutes
October 23, 1995 5
Greg et prefers the shortcut route in lieu of sidewalks on the Ramshorn side of street, if VA
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takes on the improvements on the Tivoli side of the street. The shortcut could be done
cooperatively with the Town and the homeowners.
Greg Amsden asked if we eliminate the south and east sidewalks at the Ramshorn, what
happens to the pedestrians? He encourages the alternate Chalet Road route. We need to look
at this as a master plane He would prefer sidewalks on both sides of the street. Hidden driveway
signs should be added.
Dalton Williams said the north and east sides of the street do not get heavy use in the winter
time. The sidewalk on the north side is used in the summer with the Ford Amphitheater traff is
and this sidewalk is very undersized. Unless it's being widened Dalton thinks itshould be
removed. He suggested making the sidewalk 10' on the other side of the street and eliminating
the sidewalk in front of the Ramshorn. VA is proposing pavers in front of the Athletic Club and
Vorlau er. The building owners will pay for the pavers. He ants to no what pavers , will be
paying for .
Dave Corbin said the pedestrian walkway from anor Vail would be improved. He thought -
0 aright be the split sharing the cost with the Town. He stated that benches and lighting would
be included.
Dalton Williams, given that information, wants a 10' sidewalk with the opposite sidewalk removed
and he wants it clearly obvious that there is only one sidewalk. He is ok with the existing
concrete.
Henry Pratt agrees with Dalton on the expanded sidewalk on the south and west with defining it
as a major path. He feels light bollards should be considered instead of the lights proposed and
.would act as a barrier to keep people out of the street. The path on the north and east side
should terminate at the Ramshorn Driveway and there should be a pedestrian crosswalk.
Jim Lamont asked who would maintain this 6-8'walkway.
Bob r our wants a wider sidewalk on one side. He doesn't want the trees to go away. He is
ok with the existing concrete.
David Kenyon, from Design Workshop, said that an 6' sidewalk is the maximum width, due to the
wide roads needed for the buses. It can however, vary in width as it goes along.
Jim Curnutte stated that it was more expensive to tear out an existing sidewalk, than to have two
sidewalks.
Dalton Williams thought we should spend the money, since we are a world class resort.
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Jim urnutte stated that there were no roose improvements from the redevelopment site to
the soccer field.
Kevin Deighan thinks there should be a sidewalk to the soccer field.
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Jim Curnutte said who pays for what is for the Town Council to negotiate with V.A.
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Bob r our said to curtail traffic, its closure in the winter would prevent its use as a parking lot.
Flury Pratt doesn't know why it's not maintained. He thought to blockade it so as not to be used
as a parking lot.
Jim Lamont mentioned that the EVHA said they are going to come before the Town and ask to
acquire Chalet Road.
Greg Hall said the TOV has plowed it shut for the last few years.
Greg s en inquired of the pedestrian flow from the Vail Trails and the Texas To nho es.
Jim Lamont said that the area is tacky, but because of this redevelopment, the area will finally be
addressed. This however, should not be a condition of Golden Peak. The question is how do
you safely get cars in and out of that neighborhood.
Greg offet said it would be in VA's best interest to look at this as an alternate.
David Kenyon noted that Mill Creek Circle Plaza was designed to be very utilitarian and offered
an opportunity for a visual invitation maintaining views of the mountain in the winter. The
inclusion of landscaping may be a maintenance issue in the winter.
Greg offet said it was a snow storage area in the winter.
Greg sden said si na e was important. However, it offered a good location for the plaza.
Kevin Deighan said AIPP would like to have art in these plazas.
The Commissioners voted unanimously not to require any changes as suggested by the staff.
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Jim gave an overview of the Children's Center Bus Stop.
Kevin Deighan would like a stop sign or speed bump where any kids will be crossing.
Greg offet stated that the existing design around the bus stop was dangerous.
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Jim Curnutte gave an overview of the westbound bus stop issue.
Bob Armour said the eastbound us stop is more frequently used. Should the other bus stop be
eliminated.
Connie Knight, a Vorlaufer resident, would like both stops eliminated, because of braking noise
and idling noise. However, another bus stop is needed. She suggested in front of the VAC.
Henry Pratt said e definitely need a stop in that area.
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Dalton Williams said the east portal of the parking structure was a good location with signage in
the structure stating that the bus to Golden Peak is located there.
Greg Hall said there is a public process involved in moving bus stops. He also pointed out that
the Transportation Master Plan recommends that it go away.
Dalton Williams, as a final note, stated that the EVHA must make the parking lot disappear.
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Chris Ryman said in the future the Silver Bullet snow cat would transport employees to replace
the Chair 6 to Chair 10 to Two Elk connection. The Chair 6 to Chair 10 puts too many people in
Two Elk, so VA is looking at the Chair 6 to Chair 11 connection. It behooves VA to keep square
footage of the building down because of the cost. Distribution is being worked out. He
mentioned program management. VA's track record is not good at Golden Peak.
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There could be up to 12 events happening on Saturdays bringing in several hundred kids as well
as Ski Club Vail and other ski areas bringing in their kids. The kids programs will be moving to
Lionshead in the Black Forest area with a Chair 8 to Chair 2 connection. The Teen Center is
being negotiated to use as a VA base for kids. This has encouraged VA to manage the Golden
Peak overcrowding.
Greg Moffet asked what would happen if someone reserved a space in the Tier 2 level and then
canceled.
#ave Corbin said a pay-in-lieu would be in effect with no surface parking and no structure.
Dave Corbin said $30,000 is the price for a tier 1 membership for 30 years and $15,000 for a tier
2 membership. An initial investor will get his money back if he wants to pull out of the
agreement.
Chris Ryman said adjustments in mountain usage will channel more cars into the Lionshead
Parking Structure. There were only 15 days the Village structure was maxed out and so there is
not a parking shortage in the Town.
Dave Corbin stated that both structures, taken in tandem, did not fill. The highest skier days
were in February, especially Presidents Day weekend. There is a nominal correlation with VA's
highest skier day and the days the structures fill.
Jim Lamont stated that we won't know much until after the election,41ovember 7th. The question
regarding the parking strategy being proposed for the private sector is if it can be managed when
not being used, so it can be used. A reservation basis could be pooled by other private sectors.
Jim is worried that if by providing more public spaces we become dysfunctional in our quest for
public transport. He is also worried if we don't have a close in park n ride. To maintain
employees we need close in employee lots that are paid for by the private sector and by the
public.
Meune goes in by mistaRe, now do m»< «% out.
Dave Corbin said signage would prevent that f..>a »y>» .
Menry Pratt thinks that the Tier 2 approach is making maximum usage of the space. He doesn't
think Tier 1 works. He suggests they provide employee parking in the structure. It sets a bad
precedent not to address employees. The Tier I should be eliminated and use those 50 spaces
for 30 employee spaces and 20 \\\ spaces. Changes to this management plan need to come
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Dalton Williams said members who paid $30,000 for a parking space don't want to be hassled
with that detail.
Dave Corbin stated that the market information led VA to creating the two tier parking situation.
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Jim Curnuffe stated that the make up of the Assessment Committee is described in the
Management Agreement be een V.A. and the TOV for Golden Peak. The Assessment
Committee can appoint a smaller neighborhood committee to monitor the area.
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Lauren Waterton introduced and gave an overview of the skier drop-off area.
She explained the different peak periods and how many staff are needed to assist. Additional
skier drop-off areas are being looked at by the T V and VA in order to spread out the
congestion. Staff concerns area out the lack of employees manning the drop-off areas during
peak periods.
Dave Corbin said he would address President's Week as he has Christmas Week and staff it with
4-6 people.
Jim Lamont stated that the neighborhood would like to see a changeable si na e program,
should the parking or drop -off be closed down for special events. We have the technology and
capability to do this.
Dave Corbin said active electronic signs e is not able to be defined today. What would the cost
be and whose responsibility is it to pay for it.
Dalton Williams said he would like more staffing for peak periods. He would like to see 6 people
on the low end of the 4-6 people as stated in the plan now. High season and weekends should
be treated as high season and use the high end of staffing requirements as denoted in peak
periods. He would like to see VA commit to higher numbers for staffing, perhaps using guest
service people.
Dave Corbin clarified that high season does include weekends.
Henry Pratt s not as concerned about the management of the drop-off, but felt that the
i na e at the Blue Cow Chute must be understood up front.
Kevin Deighan wants to see one person at all times at the drop-off during the day.
Greg o et thinks a possible solution might be if VA chooses not to staff the drop -off zones
adequately, they would be required to pay the "fully loaded" costs of T V employees. Greg also
felt the bus lane crossing should have a person monitoring it daily during am and pm peak
periods.
Jim Lamont stated that VA needs more skier drop -offs off -site and in conjunction with the bus
system, perha s at Ford Park or at the Village Transportation Center.
Chris Ryman responded that the T V has a responsibility under the T V and VA Agreement, to
create more skier drop -offs in the Village, near the Vista Bann and in Lionshead.
Chris Ryman stated that the specifics are contained in the T V and VA Agreement.
Jim Lamont stated that some congestion problems could be resolved with sign age such as "No
Skier Drop-Off," in residential neighborhoods.
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