HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-1109 PEC
THIS ITEM MAY AFFECr YOUR F'ROPERTY
PUBLiC NQT1CE
~ NOT1CE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Pianning and Environmental Commission of the Town of
Vail will hold a public hearing in accordance with Sectian 12-3-6 of the Municipal Cade of the
Tnwn of Vail on November 9, 1998, at 2:00 P.M. in the Town of Vail Municipal 8uilding, in
consideration of:
A request #or a minor subdivision of Lat B, to adjust the building envelope, iocated at 1521
Buf#ehr Creek Road JLot B, a resubdivision of Iots 3& 4, The Valley.
Applicant: Steve Lindstrom & Peggy Forken
Planner: Allison C7chs
A request #or a fiinal review and a recommendation an the Lionshead Master P1an.
Applicant: Tawn of Vail
Planner: Lionshead Master Plan Team
R request for a variance from Section 12-8A-11 of #he Town of Vai1 Municipal Code, to allow for
parking and loading within required setbacks, located at 598 Vail Valley drive/A portion of Tract
Ft Va1l VIjlage 7 fh FIlIiIg.
Applicant: Ski Club Vaii
P]anner: Brenf Wilson
The applications and information about the proposais are available far public inspection during
regular office hours in the praject p(anner's office Iocated at the Town of Vail Community
~ Development Depar#ment, 75 South Frantage Road.
Sign language interpretation available upon reques# with 24 hour notification. Please cali 479-
2356, Telephone for the Hearing Impaired, for information.
Community Development aepartment
Published October 23, 1998 in the Vail Trail.
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PLANNING AND ENVIRflN111iENTAL COMMISSIt)N
~ Monday, November 9, 1998
AGENDA
Projec# Orientat6on I LUNCH - Gommunity Development Deparfimen# 12.00 p.m.
Cv1EIV1BERS PRESENT MEMBERS ABSENT
Site V6sits: 1:00 P.M.
1, Forken - 7 521 Buffehr Greek Road
2. Ski Club Vail 598 Vail Valley Drive
3, Thrifty Car Rental -1295 S. Frontage Road Driver:
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NUTE. If the PEC hearing extends until 6:00 p.m., the board wiil break for dinnerfrom 6:00 - 6:30 p.m.
~ Public Hearinq - Town Council Chambers 2:00 p.m.
1. A request for a minor subdivisian of Lot B, to adjust the building enveiope, located at
1521 Buffehr Creek Road ILot B, a resubdivision of lats 3& 4, 'fhe Valley. ~
Applicant. Steve Lindstrom & Peggy Forken ;Planner: Allison Ochs
2. R request for a site coverage variance from Section 12-21-14E of the Zoning Regulations
and a front setback variance, to a11ow for the canstructian of a new single-family
residence with a Type II EHU, located at 756 Potato Patch / Lot 4, Block 2, Potato Patch.
Applicant: Walfgang Berndt, represented by Steven Riden
{'lanner: A{lison Ochs
3. A requesfi for a variance fram Section 12-8A-1 1 of the Town af Vail MunicipaF Code, to
allow for parking and loading within required setbacks, (ocated at 598Vail ValleyDrrvefA
portion of Tract F, Vail Village 7t'' Filing. Applicant: Ski Club Vail
Planner: Brent Wilson
4. R request for a Canditional Use Permit, to aklaw for a "transportation business" within
~ 5DD #4, located at 1295 S. Frontage Road/Cascade Village.
Applicant: ThrifCy Car Rental, represented by Rudy &Associates
P1anner. Gsorge Ruther
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~ 5. A request for a final review and a recammendation on the Lianshead Master Plan.
App{icant: Town of Vaif
Pfanner: Lionshead Mas#er Plan Team
TABLEC? UNT1L NC}VEMBER 23, 1998
6. Informatian Update
7. Approval o# Oc#ober 26, 1998 minutes.
The applicatiorts and information about the praptisals are available fior public inspection during
regutar ofifice haurs in the projeet planner°s affice located at the Town of Vail Community
Deveiopment Department, 75 5outh F'rantage Raad.
Sign language interpretation availabie upon request with 24 hour notification. Please ca11479-2356, Telephone for the
HeatingIxnpaired, for informatiort.
Community Development Department
Published Navembsr 6, 1998 in the Vail Trail.
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PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMNIISSION
~ Monday, November 9, 1998
ACENL7A
Proiect Orientation 1 I.UNCH - Communitv Develoqment Department 12:00
p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERSABSENT
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Site Visits : 1:00
p,m.
1. Forken - 1521 Buffehr Creek Road
2. Ski Glub Vail - 598 Vail VaAey Drive
3. Thrifty Car Rental --1295 S. Frantage Road
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~ N07E: 1f the PEC hearing extends until 6.00 p.m., the board will break for dinner from 6:00 - 6;30 p.m.
Public Hearina - Town Council Ghambers 2:00
p.m.
1. A reque5t for a minor subdivision of Lot B, to adjust the building envelope; locatedat 1521 Bu#fehr Creek Road /Lot 8, a resubdivisionof lots 3& 4, fihe Valley.
Applicant: Steve Lindstrom & Peggy Forken
Planner: Allison Ochs
MOTION: JOHN SCHOFIELd SECOND.DIANEGOLDEN
APPRCIVED VOTE. 7-0
2. A request #ar a site coverage variance fram Section 12-21-14E ofi the Zaning
Regulations and a frant setback variance, to allow for the constructian of a new
single-family residence with a Type II EHU, located at 756 Patato Patch / Lat 4,
Block 2, Potato Patch,
~ Applicant: Wolfgang Berndt, represented by StevenRiden
Planner: Allisan Uchs
MOTItJN. JOHN SCHC?FIELD SECOND: TOMWEBER
DENIED VOTE. 7-0
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3, A request for a variance from Section 12-8A-11 of the Town of Vail Municipaf.
Code, to allow for parking and Ioading within required setbacks, located at 598
~ Vaii Valley DrivelA portion of Tract F, Vail Village 7t" Filing.
Appilcant: Ski Club Vail
Planner: Brent Wilsan
MCITION: GA,L.EN AASLAND SEGC?ND: JOHN SCHt)FIELC?
APPROVED WiTH CQNDITIONS. Vt1TE: 4-3
1. That the approval be lirrtited ta a period of one year between the dates of
November 6}" and May 10t" and #he hours of 7:00 a.m. - 6;00 p.rn.
2. That the terms outlined in the INlemorandum of Understanding dated
January 6t'', 1998 befulfilled in their entirety.
3. That an agreement be established between the Town of Vaii and Sk"r Club
Vail for the management (maintenance, signage, enforcerrtient) of parking on
this property.
4. That Ski Club Vail submit a long-term parkingldevelapment plan for
review no later than Febrpary 28, 1999.
5. That all signage required for maintenance and enfarcement o# the parking
~ area be paid fcrr by the applicant.
6. That an ultimate solution for the use of the "turn around area" and road
shoulder be arranged in the agreement between the Town of Vail and Sk6
Club Vail.
7. That the Vail Town Council approve the use o# the right-of-way for this
purpose.
8. Ifi, at any point during this approval period, the Tawn of Vail deems the
parkinglloading managernent situation 'rnadequate, autstanding issues will
• be resalved by the °`assessmenfi committee°° - a carnnnittee derived of
representatives from the Town o# Vai], Ski Club Vaii arad Vail Associates.
4. A request for aConditional Use Permit, to allow for a "transportation business„
within SdD #4, located at 1295 S. Frontage Road/Cascade Village.
Applicant: Thrifty Gar Rental, represented by Rudy & Associates
Planner: George Ruther
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5. A Pequest for a final review and a recommendation on fihe LionsheadMaster Pian.
~ Applican#: Town of Vail
F'Ianner: Lionshead Master Plan 7eam
TASLED UNT1L N4VEMB.ER 23, 1998
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6. informatian Update
~ 7. Approval of October 26, 1998 minutes.
The applications and information about the proposals are available fnr public inspection
during regular office hours in the project planner's affice located at the Town of Vail
Community Develapment DeparCment, 75 South Frontage Road.
Sign languageinterpretatian available upan requestwith 24 hour notification. Rleasecall479-2356, Telep'hone
for the Hearing Impaired, for information.
Commun9ty Development Department
Published November 6, 1998 in the Vail Trail.
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TQ; Planning and Environmental Commission
FROM: Gommunity Development Department
DATE: November 9, 1998
SIJBJEGT; A reques# €or a variance for site coverage to allow for construction of a
new single fami9y residence and EHIJ at 756 Potato F'atch Drive 1 Lot 4,
Block 2, Patato F'atch
Applicant: Wolfgang and Traudl Berndt, represented by Michaei
Lauterbach
Planner: Ailison (JChs
1. DESCR1PTION OF 1 HE REQ13~ST
The app#icants, Wolfgang and Traud! Berndt, represented by Michae! Lauterbach, are proposing
ta construct a new single family residence and Employee Nousing Unit at 756 Potato F'atch
Drive. Section 12.21.14 a# tEie Municipaf Gode requires that a lot zoned PrimarylSecondary,
~ with an average slope greater than 30%, shallhave a maximum allowable site coverage of 15%.
The applicants are requesting a variance to allnw #or 18°lti site coverage. At this time, they have
not app(ied for aConditional Use Permit for the Emp3oyee Housing llnit. According #o 5ection
12,21.14, in areas of excessive slope, there shall be no required front setback for garages,
except as may be required by the Design Review Board. lf the variance is granted f~r 18% site
coverage, the garage may stiil be allowed in the setback, at the discretion flf the Design Review
Baard.
The appiicants' representative has expressed the reasoning for the variance as #ollows;
:`This uariance is saught because 6n excess af 1;700 square feet of gentiy s#oping
buiIdable site coverage which is unencumbered by the front and side setbacks is
consumed by a water line and utility easement. Consequently, if thafi area had not beera
consumed by the easement, the structure cauld have easily been designed to a1low 20%
site coverage.,,
A capy of the letter, dated September 28,1998, indicating the applicants' eomments regarding
the variance request, has been attached for re#erence. Acopy of a survey completed by Eagle
Val1ey Surveying lnc. has aIso been attached, calculating the area consumeci by the easernent.
11. ZONiNG AND SITE S1°ATISTICS
Zoning District: PrimarylSecondary Residentia) District
~ Lot Size: 23,522,4 sq. fit. (0.54 acres)
Buildable Area; 23.522,4 sq. ft. (0.54 acres)
Average Slope.' 37.9°l0
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GRFA: 5,452 sq. ft. 5,322 sq, ft.
Primary 3,186 sq. #t. 4,422 sq. ft.
Secondary* 2,266 sq, ft. 540 sq. ft.
Site CoveCage 3,528 5q. ft. (15°l0) 4,256 Sq. ft. (18°Im)
oriveway 2,352 sq. ft. (1o°ro) 1,780 sq. ft. {7.6°ro}
setbacks
Front 20 ft. 4.5 ft.
Side 15 ft. 29 fit.125 ft.
Rear 15 ft. 21.5 ft.
*ENU has nat been applied for as of 10/20i98
Area Excluding Setbacks: 13,946 sq. ft.
Area Consumed by tJtility Easement: 1,477 sq. ft,*
Total Lot Area Fiemaining: 12,469 sq. ft.
Area Remaining with Iess than 30°Ia SIope 300 5q. ft.
*7,722 sq. ft. including area cut off by easement
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Site Coveracte Variance Request
Site coverage requirements #or Iots in the Ptimary(Secondary Residential Zone District
are regulated by Section 12.6D.9 {51TE COVERAGE}, and are further regulated by
Sectian 12.21.14E (RESTRICTIONS IN SPEGIFIC ZONES ON EXCESS(VE SLC7PE5}
of the Municipai Gade.
According to Section 12,6D.9 af the Municipal Code,
"Site coverage shall not exceeci twenry percent (20°la) of the total site area.,,
Additionally, Section 12.21.14E indicates that if the auerage siope of the site is in excess
o# thirty percent {30°/A} beneath #he proposed siructure and parking area,
"Ncat more than fifteen percent {15°l0} of the site area may be Covered by
buildings; and not more than ten percent (10%) of the total sste area may be
covered by driveways and surfaee parking areas."
The reduction in a!lawable site coverage on lots with an average slope in excess of thirty
percent from 20% to 15°!b is intended to reduce the overail site disturbance and limi# the
destruction of natural features such as mature stands of trees and other types o#
vegetation.
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Front Setback
Front setback requirements for lots in the PrimarylSecondary Residential Zone District
are regulated by Section 12.6C7.6 (SETBACKS), and are further reguiated by Section
12.21.14K (RESTRICTIflNS {N SPEGIFIC ZC}NES ON EXCESSIVE SL4PES) of the
N9unicipal Code.
According to Section 12,6D.6, the rrjinimum frant setbaek sha!l be twenty feet {20'}.
When development is propased an steeply sloping lots, the Municipal Gode provides
relief from the front setback standards, encouraging development closer to the street.
According to Section 12,21.14K of the Municipa! Code:
"There sha{l be no required fcont setback for garages, except as may be required
by the Design Review Board, Garages located in the front setback shall be `
lirnited tQ one story in height (not to exceed 10 feet) with the addition of a pitched
or flat roof subject ta review and approval by the Design Review Board.,,
Aliowing the garage in the front setback is intended to reduce site disturbance and to
ease access on steeply slapingIots.
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A. Consideration of Factors:
1. 1"he relatianship of the requested var6ance to other existing or
potentia# uses and structures in the vicin6$y.
Whila few other hames in Potato Patch have excessive slopes, rnost have
under 20°lo site coverage. Attached is a tab(e of sites irs the vicinity,
showing Int size and site coverage. The average lot size is 28,356.96 sq.
ft, The !ot size of the Bexndt Residence is 23,522.4 sq. ft. The average
site coverage in the vicinity 6s 3,694.21 sq. ffi. or 140/o. The proposed site
coverage for the Berndt Residence is 4,256 sq. ft. One other Iot in the
vicinity is restricted on site coverage because of excessive slopes.
8ecause of the ex#reme slopes, keeping as rnuch of the site coverage
towards the #ront of the iot will reduce site disturbance and visibility frorn
surrounding areas.
2. 3"he degree to which re6ief #rom the strict arod literal dnterpretatican
and en#crrcemen# of a specified regulation is nec~ssary to achieve
compatibility and uniformity of treatmertt among s6tes in the vicittity
or to attain the objectives o# fihis title vri#htaut grartt of specia#
priviiege.
~ Str"1ff d0eS tlOt b2l12V~ that 1t jS C1eCeSSary t0 PE~'C~.`1VE,' (el18f frC?fTl tt'1e 51tE,'
coverage regulation to achieve cQmpatibifity and uniformity of treatment of
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the applicant's lat and the other lots in the vicinity, nar to attain the ~
Qbjectives of the Zoning Gode. Instead, sfiaff believes that the granting of
the requested site coverage variance would be a grant of special privilege
as it wou(d result dn treatment not enjayed by other property pwners m the
area, and in ttie PrimarylSecondary Zone District in general. While few
other lats in the vicinity have excessive slopes, many remain under 15%
site coverage. Most, if not all, iats in the Town of Vail contain utility
easements ar similar encumbrances.
3. T'he effiect of the requested variance on light anci air, distribution of
population, trarrsportation and trafific facilities, pub#ic facilities and
utiaities, arrd pub#ic safety.
5taffi does not believe any ofi the above-described criteria is applicable to
this request.
B. The Plannin and Errvironmenta( Gommission shali make the followin findin s
before aranfiinc,~a variance:
1 . That the granting of the variance will not cons#itute a grant of speeial
privilege inconsistent with the limitations on other properties c4assi#ied in
the same district.
2. That the grar7ting of the variance will not be detrimental to the public
health, safety ar weifare, or materially injurious to properties or ~
improvements in the vicinity.
3. That the variance is warranted for one or more af the foilowing reasons:
a. The strict literal interpretation or enforeement of the specified
regulation wouid result in practical diffiiculty or unnecessary
physical hardship inconsistent with the objectives of this title,
b. There are exceptions or extraardinary circumstances or conditions
applicable to the site of the variance that do not apP1Y generally to
other praperties in the same zane.
c. The strict interpreiation or enforcement of thespecifiedreguiation
would deprive the applicant of privileges enjayed by the awners of
other properties in the same district.
V. STAFF F~~~OMMENDAT1ON
The Gommunity Development Departrnent staff recornmends denial of the applicant's
site coverage variance request subject to the foliowing findings:
1. That the granting ofi the 5ite coverage variance wi}i constitute a grant v#
special privilege incflnsistent with the lrmitatiorts on other propetties ~
classifiied in the Primary/Secondary Residential Zone District.
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appiicable to ihis site that do not app1Y genecaily to other prQperties in the
PrimarylSecondary Residential Zane District.
3. That the strict interpretation or enforcement ofi the specified regulation
does nat deprive the applicant of privileges enjoyed by the awners of
other properties in the Primary/Secondary Residential Zone District.
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Variance Request
September 28, 1998
Subsequent to the purchase ofthis lot, the owner requested that three noteworthy
items be incorporated within the initiat single-family architectural plan. It was requested
that an EHU be contained wzthtn the structure even though EHLT square footage in excess
of 250 squa.re feet would be deducted from the aliowable site GRF~-1, the garages
including one for the EHU wQUId be faced away frrarn Potato Patch r?rive which would
Iinit driveway frontage to fifteen feet on #he busy switchback, and that the reszdence be
massed at a distance from Potato Patch Drive and Iimited to two consecutive levels even
though the site coverage might then be limited to fifteen percent rather than twenty
percent.
Consequently, the awner of the above referenced lot is requesting a variance from
a pflrtion ofthe Hazarrd Ordinance (section 12-21-14) which reduces building site
coverage from 20% to 15% on two-family primarylsecondary lots in which"the average
slope of the site beneath the existing ar proposed structure and paz`kinb area is in excess of
thirty percent".
The difference betweerr 20 and 15 percent szte coverage csn this lot represents
approxiznately 1,200 square feet. This variance is sought because in excess of 1,700
square feet ofgently sloped btzildable site coverage which is unencumbered by the front ~
and side setbacks is consumed by a water fine and utility easement. Consequentiy, ifthat
area had not been consumed by the easement, the structure could eas~y have been
designed to allow 20 percent site coverage.
The owner is appealing to your sense offairness in granting a variance whzch wiil
allow 20 percent site coverage. A variance would guarantee the retention ofthe EHU,
garages facing away frorn Potato Patch I9rive, and a two sttary buflding profile.
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Mike Lauterbach
RE1 Lat 4. Block C, Vo.i( l Potato Patch
M;ke,
Per yrour request rre have calcutated the square feet aF some
speclFied preas ofi th2 above Lat 4, The resutts are as fottosvs:
A - AreQ o4~ 20' w ide ut it i ty easement exceptin9
out 20' front setback and 15` side setback. 1477 sq F-t
B - Area oF unusabie tr,angte piece northwest of
said easement and southeast oP setbacks, excepting
out 20' frant setback and IS' wide side setback. 245 sq ft
C - Area nf tand tess than 30% stope nnt faEttng
w ith in any setbacks or the cabove mention ed
unusabte o.rea or easement, apx 900 sq ft
ptease catl if you hQVe any questions,
Sincerely,
sta„ Ho , et elt, P. L. s ,
Eagte Valtey Surveying Inc,
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Address Legak t..ot Size Site Coverage Percentage S6te Coverage Percentage Slope Notes
(allowed) (a(lowed) (existing) (existing)
784 Potato Patch Dr B1, L15 34,630.00 6,926.00 20% 3,653.00 11°/4 -
786 Potato Paich Dr B1, L14 30,492.00 6,d89.60 20°o 2,160.00 7°1ti 25-28°fo
782 l~c~tafo k~atch Dr B1, L16 52,446.24~ 7,866.90 15% 2,973.80 6°ta 40% site coverage restricted to 15%
780 Potato Patch Qr 81, L17 35,734.00 7,146.80 20°lo 4,338.00 12% 20%
77$ Potato F'ct#C11 Dt' B1, L1$ 20,82j.00 4,164.OQ 200/o 4,120M 20% -
' 775 Potato Patch Dr B1, L19 21,532.00 4,300.00 20% 3,682.00 170/o -
777 Potato Patcn Dr Bl, L20 20,710.00 4,142,00 20% ok -
7€31 Potato Patch Dr B1, L21 18,543.50 3,708.70 20°!o 4,072.31 22°!a - over an site couerage
j 785 Potato Patch Dr B1, L22 1$,251.60 3,G50.OQ 20% 3,062.00 170/o - ~
789 Potato Patch Dr BI, L23 18,543.00 20% ?
754 Potato PatCh DC B2, L3 20,9179.00 4,182.00 2{)°!0 2,613.00 12% 16%a
768 Potato Patch Dr B2, L5 36,400,00 7,2$0.00 20% 6,413.00 18% -
748 Potato Patch C?r B2, L7, f 2 40,390.00 8,712.00 226/0 3,651.00 9°l0 - ,
742 Sandy Lane L3, f 2 17,019.00 3,403.80 20% 3,366.60 20%0 - variance tfenied >20% si#e coverage 'i
774 Potato Patch Dr B2, L11 29,750.00 7,437.00 25% 3,920.00 13% -
772 Potato Pafch Dr B2, L10 49,579.00 25% ok
736 Sandy Lane B2, L6, f 2 16,318.00 20% ok
Avera e Lat size: 28,356.96 Avera eSite Covera e: 3,694.21 14°fa
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TO: Pianning and Envirflnmenfai Commission
. FRONi: Gommunity Development Department
DATE: November 9, 1998
SUBJECT: A request for a variance from Sectian 12-8A-11 of the Town of Vail ~
~ Municipal Code, to aliow fbr parking and ioading within required setbacks,
located at 598 Vail Valley drivelA partion of TractB, Vail Viilage 7"'- Filing. .
Applicant; Ski C~lub Vaif ~
Planner: Brent Wilson
1. CDESCRIPTiC3N OF THE REQl1EST
The applicant is requesting a variance to allow for temporary parkirtg and laading within the
front setback on an AgriculturelOpen Space zoned lot. The proposal would aliow Ski Club Vail
ta use a portion afi the Town's right-af-way a(ong Vail Valiey Drive as a temporary (1998J99
seasQn) loadinglunloading area and an "interiar" pedestrian walkway- ApProvaf of this requestwould allaw for the addi#ion of approximateiy nine temporary parkingtloading spaces,
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Froiect Historv
On August 26, 1976, the: Planning and Environmental Commission approued a conditional use
permit far the construction and aperation af Ski Club Vai1. A# that time, the F'EG did not require
any parking and stated "...we feel additional parking in #his lacation is not appropriate.,,
On_March 24, 1986, the PEC granted a variance for the use of the front setback area/right-of-
. way as a loading and unioading zone for a one year period. The apprava( was condifioned on
, Ski Club Vail's willingness to sign and enforce this "drop-off'° zone. Rt that time, Ski Club Vail ,
Veased additional parking spaces from Ramshom Condorniniums. This lease agreement is no
4onger in ef#ect. After the one-year PEC approval expired, additional approvals were rtot
requested. Therefore, the operation,has been occurring fQr 11 years without the required
approvals.
(n January of this year, the Tawn of Wai{, Vail Associates and Ski G1ub Vail drafted a
memorandum afi understanding (MUU) (Attachment "A„) regarding parking, #oadingfunloading
and vehicular access for Ski Glub Vail anci the Golden Peak ski facility. Under this MCJU, the
Town Manager agreed to discuss S#ci Club Vail's parking situation with the Town Gouncil. At
their C7ctcaber 13, 1998 meeting, Cauncil directed Ski Ciub Vail personne( #o bring an
application to correct the parking anci Ioading problems on site before the PEC #or apprava(.
Parkina and Right-of-Wav Management Issues ~
Ski Club Vail personnel are currently working with the Town of Vail F'ublic 1/ldorks Department
to address existing drainage and snow storage issues. They have obtained a public way
permit fnr drainage improvements to the existing parking areas, but are reques#ing additiona{
snaw removaV services from the Town as part af this applicatian. if will be necessary to have
a41 vehicles removed from the area each marning priot ta snow removal. As dernonstrated in
Figure 1, this area is currentiy used for a significant amount nf snow stocage.
The Town has experienced problems in the past an this site with the expenditure of personnel
haurs for parking management. The appliear?t states that the area will be monitored by Ski
Glub Vail stafflvolunteers until 9;00 a.m. with Vail Associates manag{rtg the parking after 9;00
a.m. Hawever, Vail Associates is not a party ta this application and no records have been
submitted which reflect such an agreement.
If the PEC grants an approual of this request, the usage of the Town's righ#-af-way, which is
public praperky, wiH be available to fhe generalpub(ic - not just Sk6 CIub Vailaffiliates.
Additionally, signage vvhich reflects applicable resfrictionssn parking wi11 need'to be provided
by the applicant.
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~ Zaning: Agricuiture/Open Space
Lot Sixe: 11,543 square feet
Usa:~ Ski Base Recreation Standard AI4awedlRequired Existin Praposed
Site Caverage: 572.65 sq. ft. (5%) 3293 5q. ft. (28°l0) t10 Ch1t1ge -
Parking: PEG determined 4 spaces no change
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~ FrQn1: 20' 20" nuchange -
' W. ~~de. 15r IJ, nd Cshf~~ge
E. 5ide: 15' 15' no change
Rear 15` 0' no change
- iV. CRITERIA ANI? FtNt?fNG5
A. Consideratian af Fac#ors:
Upon review of Section 12-17-6 af the Vail Municipal Code, Cri#eria and
Findings, the Cammunity Development Department recommends denial of fihe
requested variance based on #he folfowing factars:
~ 1. The relationship of #he requested variance to other existing or
potenfiial uses and structures in the vicinity.
Adjacent uses/stsuctures inc{ude the Go{den Peak Ski Facility, Manar
Vail and F'inos Del Norte/Nor#hwoods.
The portion of the Golden Peak lot to the south of Ski Club Vail -
previausly used as a construction staging area by Vail Associates - is
required (by the Town of Vail) to be revegeta#ed. Additionaily; the bike
path which has been used to access this area was not designed to
accammoda#e vehicular traffic and usage of this path has been
problematic. Thus, utifization af this area for addi#ionai Ski Club parking
is not feasible in the short term.
Residents from other adjacent properties (Pinos Del NortetNorthwoods,
Manor Vai1) have voiced concerns that their parking areas and driveways
have been used by Ski Glub Vail affiliates for turnarounci access and that
Iaadinglun{oading at Ski C1ub Vail congests traffic aiang Vail Va11ey
C}rive. Please re#er to Attachrnents "G„ "D„ and "E„ #ar details.
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2. The tlegree to which relief from the strict and literal interpretation
and enfQrcement of a specified regulation is necessary ta achieve
compatibitity and uniformity of#reatment among sites in the vicinity
or fio attain the objectives of this title without a grant of speciat
privilege.
Staff believes that the granting af this variance would be a grant af
special privilege. Under the AgriculturallOper? Space zoning; Ski G1ub
Vail aperates on a non-conforming lot with a serious parking/loading
deficiency. The existing "harseshoe" turnaround area is insufficienf to
meet the needs of Ski Club Vail participan#s and vendors. There are no
alternative parking or loading areas current(y available on site: It
appears that Ski Club Vaii may have grown to a paint where either a new
Iocation which provides adequate parking and loading or a major
redevelopment wi#h structured parking is necessary.
3. The effect of the requested variance on light artdl air, dis#ribution of
popuiation, transportation and traffic #acilities, public facilities and
utilities, and publicsafe#y.
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The Town of Vail Police Department believes the use of this area for
~ Iaading and unloading creates a potential4y hazardous pedestrian and
vehicular traffic sifiuatian. Please refer ta Attachmerrt "B„ for defiails.
' The Community Development Department believes this applica#ion will
make fihe pedes#rian circulation in #his immediate area more cornplica#ed
and dangerous. Given the tight constraints of the majarity of this
shoulder (8' in width), Pedestrians wifl be forced to walk in and a{png the
street. A pedestrian walkway through this area needs to be well-defined,
separated frain the rfladway and raised behind a curb. , .
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Additionally, placement of cars vvithin the front setback presen#sa sTght
trianglelvisibiiity hazard far motorists pulling out of the horseshoe
turnaround.
B. The Pfannin and Environmental Gommission shall make the followin
findiregs before grantina a variance:
1. That #he granting of the variance wi{1 not constitute agrant of special
privilege incansistent with the limitations on ather properties classified in
the same district.
2. That the granting of the variance will not be detrimental to the public
health, safety or we{fare, or materially injuriaus ta properties or
~ improvements in the vicinity.
3. That the variance is warranted for one or more of the following reasvns:
a. The striet literal interpretatian or enfarcement of the specified
regulation would result in practical difficulty or unnecessary
physical hardship inconsistent with the abjectives of this title.
b. There are excep#ians or extraordinary circumstanees or
conditions applicabVe to the same site of the variance that do not
aPPlY 9eneraily to other properties :in the same zone.
c. The strict interpreta#ion ar enforcement of the specified regulation
wouEd deprive the applicant of privileges en}ayed by the owners
of other properties in the same district.
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v. sTaFF REcamMENaATION ~
The Community Development Department recommends denial of the requested variance,
subject to the foliowing findings;
1. That the granting of the variance may be detrimental to the public heaith, safety
or welface, or materially injuriaus to properties ar improvements in the vieinity.
, Shouid the P1anning and Enviranmental Commission choose to approve this request, the ,
Community Deveioprnent Department recamrnends the fnlPowing cortditions:
1, Tha# the approval be iimited to a period of one year between the dates of
November 6t!' and May 10' and the haurs of 7:00 a:m, -6;00 p.m.
2. That the terms aut4ir?ed in the Memorandum of Undecstanding dated January
6t11, 1998 be fulfilled in their entirety.
3. That an agreement be estab[ished befinreen #he Tawn of Vail and Ski Club Vail
for the management {maintenance, signage, en#orcement} of parking on this
property,
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Attachments:
A - Memorandum of Understanding (01f06l98)
B- Vail Pofica Department Memorandum (10/9/98)
C - Pinos De! Norte memorandum (02I02l98)
D - V1%i(liam Martonletter (02I03198)
E - Vincent Duncan ietter {02103/98} `
F a Ski Club Vaif Site Plan
G- Vail Valley Drive Shoulder Diagram
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, Office of the Tnwn Manager .
75. South Frontage Road
Y'ail, Colorado 81657
970-479-2105IFcrx 970-479-2157
MEMORANDUM {)F UNI~ERSTANDING T"`
_ ~ - TO: Slzi Club Vail, represented by Phil Hoverston, Rocky Christopher, Luey Ba:bcock,
and Kate Asoian
Vail Assoeiates, represented by Brian McCartney and Jeff Babb
Town of Vail, represented by Bob McLaurin, Larry Grafel, Susan Coiuzelly, Jeff
Layman, Kurt Mulson, Dick Gericlce, Jer3nifer Roseley, David R1ioades, and Scott
Jansen
FROM; JPaniela A. Brandrne ssistant Town Manaer
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DfI.TE: January 6, 1998
RE: Golden Peak ParkinglCongestian
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ts our understanding of commitments made by Sld Club Vail, Vail Assaciates,
and the Towii of Vail in regard ta parking, loading and unloading, drop-aff and ather vehicular areas
of congestian:
Short Term Solutions, January through April, 1998, Only:
Z. The lot north ofthe new Galden Peak facility remains a public skier drop-off area and sliould
be used for loading and delivery. 'I'erms and conditians. five minute Iimit with no
unattended vehicles attowed. I"n order to accommodate this, the 'I'own of Vail and. Vail
Associates will continue to work actively on managing the paricing.
2. Slci Club Vail will clear the parking hQrseshoe to the north of theix faciiity of vans and otlier
vel-dcles prior ta 8.04 a.m. each inorning. These vehicies will be moved to Fard Pat'k during
tlie day and then returned to Ski Club Vail's horseshoe parking area to prnvide a secure area
at night. Vail Associates will conunit to plowxng through the horseshoe as long as vehicles
are moved by $:00 a.rn. daily.
3. Ski Club Vail will cornmit to keeping their vans out of the Ski Club Vail horseshoe area at
peak tilnes in the afternoon. Although.the Tawn of Vail witl cantinue to use guest serviees
expertise and personal discretian, this does not mean tickets wiil not be issued to unat~endcd .
~ vehicles. Unattended vehicles will be ticlceted and possibly towed at the owner's expense. '
Following an educational periad that began prior fo Thanksgiving fol!owed by vvritten
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eclucation handed directly to parents and users affihe Golden Peak area since I)ecem.ber 12, ~
1997, the Folice Department will cantinue to educate through the weelcend of 3anuary l Oth,
t=vith fu.ll implementation of ticketing and towing to occur the weekend of January 17, 1998.
Ski C1ub Vail (Kate Asoian) will commit fa protziding Dick Gericke with amailing lisWt of
parents by 5:00 p.m. Tuesday, January b, 1998. At its own expense, the "I"ow-n of Vail wi11
mail the educational material ta fhe over 300 parents from Slci Club Vail partieipaixts*.
Long Term Solutians:
. 1. The Town of Vai1 (Bob McLaurin) wili commit to discussing wit1Y the Town Council a -
temporary only use of parking an Town of Vail right-of-way in frant of °Ski Glub Vail. Far a tirne specific this would allow pedesfirian traffic an interior route with a special cirop-off
only, no unattended vehicles, no on-street stopping, in front of the Slci Club Vazl facility
(3anuaxy thiough April, 1998).
2. The Town of Vail will consider a request for excavation of parking to the east ancl possivly
the south of the Ski Ciub Vail facility. This will mean scrutiny of the Pinos del Norte land
deed ta discem what restr`rctions may apply.
3, The Town of Vail will cornrnit to working on preliminary design work- far Vail Valley Drzve
to accammodate Ski Club Vail's redesign of its horseshoe drop-off area as well as extended
parking.
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F~"~OM: Greg Morrison, Chief of Police
IJATE: October 9, 1998
I2EF: Ski Ctub Vail
A request has been made by Ski Club Vail to upgrade the shoulder af Vail Va1ley Dnve
and allow loading and unloadinR bercveen Golden Peak ~arid the SkiClub Vail, facility. ~ After reviewino, this request with my staff, I want to express my very strong opposition to .
this request due to it's negative impact on pedestrian safety, traffic flow and especially
° our bus system in that area.
Since the redevelopment of Golden Peak, ca:rs stoppinc, on the shoulder of Vail V'alley
Drive, or pulling up onto the sidewalks, have caused traffic delays in the area. From
personal experience I ean attest that once just one car pulls to the side of the road and
stops to unload, xmmediately many other cars do exactly the same. The car doors t1v cspen
and suddenly adults asad children are stepping inta the traffic lane causing others cars to
came to a stQp. The result is an immedia#e traffic jam an Vail Valley Drive which often
times bac7:.s traffic up all the way out to the frantaqe road. Town of Vail busses -et caught
in the jam which then slows dawn the entire in- town route. Evening loadinp creates the
same problems as cars pull off to the side and wait for skiers ta walk to their cars, or often
-time parents leave their cars and go in search of their children. Durinc., holidavs and busy
~ tiveekends poliee officers and CEUs have been stationed in the area to keep traffic
moving. On numerous occasions thaugh, every an-duty police afficer and CEO have been
required to respond to the area.
CJur most effective traffic manaQement strategy has been ta prevent any cars from
stopping on the side of the road to unload. This results in the free movement af tra$ic and
the qreatest safety for pedestrians. Allowing Ski C1ub Vail to establish a loadinc, a.rrd
unloadincy zone on the roadside wi11 anly result in once aQain having sianificant traffic
jams on Vail ValIey Drive. The number of Ski C1ub Vail mcmbers artivin(y at tliesarne
time in the morning will far exceed the nunaber of spaces on the side of the~road. By the
time a Ski Club Vail driver (yets to the proposed unloading zone, he/she will have passed
the unloadina zones at Golden Peak. Seeing th.e SCV unloading zone full, a driver wiil
most lil:ely pu11 to the side of the road outside the unloadina zone, stop in the Crafhc lane
ta wait for a space to become available, unload while double parking in the street or make
a U-turn in the roadwav to retum to Golden Peak. All of these actions neQaGivel"- eff'ect
traffic flow and safety in the area. Additionally drivers nat affiliated with Ski Club Va'rI,
tivi11 be attracted to the unloadinc, zane and further compound the probiems.
I would, however, strongly support the placernent of a cement sidewalk bet-ween Golden
Peak and Ski Club Vail, on the Sou~th side of Vail Valley Drive. Such a sidetivalk would
.-reatly increase pedestrian safetv in the area, especiallv for SCV chiidren, Nvhile 5CV
~ utilized tlle urzloadin2 zanes at Golden Peak.
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Te Mryar Rdb Ford xnd Town Councll Members
From T. J. Noonan. Manager .
DatelTime 213198 at 1 I.31 AM
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The following is a brief autiine of the continueti problems wlth tnfFic
contral and parking at Goiden Peak
~ Ski Club Vaii continues to be a prohiem as cars are parking 611eplty on Vail Valiey Cfrive, when the Paiice da »at enforce the nrles cars are
enntinuing ta pkk up and drap passengers.
~ During Ghristmas i witnessed cara parked illegaliy on the sidewwallk next
tc the Children's sici sehoesl, on one accaston the Tovm Tsaffic tontral
vehkle was parked on the sulewalic This will ruin the safewxlk in a very
shart time, Can were backed up it the Children's center obstructing trati"ic on Yaii ~
~r•l•{ Vailey drive doring brief periods, during the Chrisstmas cush.
Our drivevrap is used co»t3nually as a wrnaround point for Ski Ciub Vail
, cars and others that are dropping off skiers.
{ 6ave noted the skier drop-oif parking at Gaklen Peak has many
vehicles parking for a long durat'san tsf tinne, whyt
- 1 hape that these brie# abservatian are helpfui #dr furthet aetion txs .
resohte the tnific issues.
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Dear Mayor and T+pwn Councit Members:
! wish to indicAe my vigoraus support for the East Village Wvmeowners
Association`s position regarding traffic and parkrng in the neighboncovds
, surraunding the Go}d+en Peak Skf Base Area. .
~ The checkpairrt on Hanscn ftanch Road was very effertive in reducing traffic near the Miil Creek Ccaurt Building, where 1 am an owner. We wish
to see' rt crsntinued through the ski seasone
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trarffic con#rol a»d parking r'sstres in neFghborhooots sunroundit~~ Gota?err
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TO." Planning and Environmental Commission
FROM: Community Development Department
DA7'E: November 7, 1998
SUBJECT: Resubdivision ofi Lots 3 and 4, Lot B, The 1/alley Phase 5
1521 Buffehr Creek Rnad-The ForkeNLindstrom Residence
Applicant: RKD
P1anner: Allison C}chs
I. DESCRIPTION OF `t"HE ~~QUEST
Special Development District #34 was approved by the Town Council in February of
1997, ailowing for the subdivisibn of Lots 3 and 4 of The Vafley Phase 5 into 3 lats (Lots
A, B, and C.) Due to a computer error, the building enveiope was placed incorrectly onLot B. To correct the situation, the applicant is requesfing a resubdivision ofLot B. The
only change is the location of the building enveiope. The corrected plat corresponds
with all previous approvals of theForkenlLindstrom Residence.
~ !t. t?EVELC}PMENT STAPIDARDS
BeiQw are the development s#andards prescribed by Speciai DeveCopment District #34:
Develcapment Maximum Ailc?wance or Limitation
Stanciard
Number of Lots 3 sin le-famil lots
Dwellin Units 3 dweNin units
Densit 1.66 dwellin units er acre
Employee Housing Unit 1 type II ENU per lot ailowed. C7ne employee Housing Lat is
required for theenfire develapment which must be prbvided prior to, or in conjunction with, the building permit: for the third
dwaliin unit canstructed on-site
Buildable Area Per a rqved develo ment 1an and bu9idia envela es
Site Govera e 25°r'4 of lot area er lot) GRFA 2,933 s.#t. er dweflin unit
Type 11 EHU GRFA 500 sq. ft. aIlowed per lot for development of an EH11, per
Type I! EHU requirements. Planning and Environrnental
Commission review is required per condition use requirements
far T e II EHU
Gara e Area 600 s. ft. ailowed er dweliin unit exclusive of the ENUs
EHU Garage Area 1 encEosed parking space required per EHlJ per iot, which
must be deed restricted for use by #he EHU oniy. Up to 300
s . ft. gara e credit a(loweder EHU er lat.
~ Setbacks Per buiiding envelopes de}ineated on development pCan. No
GRFA is permitted within 20' Qf the front pro ert line.
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Garage area is allowed within 20' from the #ront property line
within the established bui4din envelo es. ~
Parking Per Chapter 12-10 Ofif-Street Parking and Loading, Zoning
Gode
Exterior Lightin Per Ghapter 12-1 # Desi n Review Guidelines, Zonin Code
Buildin Mei ht 30' for a flat roof, 33' for a slo in roof
111, lt111NOR SUBDI1llS1t?N CRITER1A
A basic premise of subdivision regulations is that the minimum standards for the creation of a
new iot must be met. This subdivision will be reviewed under Title 13, Subdivision Regulations,
of the Town of Vail Municipa( Code.
A. The first set of criteria to be eonsidered by the Pianning and Environmental Cammission
for a Minor Subdivisionappiication is:
Lot Area: The fot size standards as prescribed by SDD #34
ata#f Response:
As proposed, this minor subdivision meets fhis requirement,
Frontage: The Subdivision Regu€atians require a minimum Street Frontage o# 30'.
Staf# F3esponse.
As proposed, fhis rninor subdivision meets this requitemenf.
B. The second set of criteria to be considered with a'Minor Subdivision application, as
outlined in the subdivisiort regulations, is: ~
"The burden of proof shall rest with the applicant to shaw that the application is in
compliance with the intent and purposes of this Chapter, the Zoning Ordinance
and other pertinent regulations that the Planning and Envirar?mentai Gommission
deems applicable. Due cansideration shaN be given to the recommendatians
rnade by public agencies, utility comparaies and other agencies consulted urider
subsection 13-3-3C. The Planning and Environrnenfial Commissian shali review
the application and consider its appropria#eness in regard to 7own policies
relating to subdivision controf, densities proposed, regufations, ordinances and
_ resolutions and other applicable documents, enviranmental integrity and
cornpatibility with the surrounding fand uses and ather applicable documents,
effects on the aesthetics of the Tawn.,,
The Speeific Purpose of the Subdivision Regu(ations is as follows:
1. To iraform each subdivider af the standards and criteria by which develapmenf proposals will
be evaluated, and to provide informatian as fo the type and extent of improvements
required.
Staff Respanse:
7'he review of this requesf has #o1lowed tfre regulations prescribed far minor subdivision
inthe Municipal Code.
2. 'fo pravide for the subdivision of property in the future without conflict with developmenfi on ~
adjacent land.
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Staff Response:
Staff believes that thfs resubdlvfsion will not contiict with development Qn adjacerrt
properties.
3. To protect and conserve the valuo of land throughout the Municipaiity and the vaiue of
buildings andimprovements on the land.
Staf€ Response:
Staff does not believe thaf the request wi!l have a negative impact of the value af land in
the Tawn o€ {dail generatly, nor in the immediate area.
4. Ta ensure that subdivision of property is in compliance with the Tovvn's zoning ordinances,
tca achieve a harmonious, convenient, workable reiationship among Iand uses, cansistent
v+lith Town development objectives.
ataff Response:
The resubdfvision meets the minrmum zoning requirements of SDD #34.
5. To guide public and private policy and action in order to provide adequate and efficient
transportation, water, sewage, schools, parks, playgrounds, recreation, and other public
requiremertts arzd facilities and generaily to provide that public facilities will have sufficient
capacity to serve the praposed subdivision.
~ Staff Response:
The resubdivisinn wili have no additiorral effects on the above criferion.
6. `fo provide for accurate legai descriptions of newly subdivided land and to establish
reasonable and desicabie construcfiion design standards and procedures. .
Staff Response:
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Because this resubdivision is necessary fa correct a mistake on an existing plat, the
resubdivisian wi/l pravide for a mQre accurate legal description of the subdrvided fand;
7. To prevent the pQllution of air, streams and ponds, to assure adequacy of drainage facilities,
ta safeguard the water table and to encourage the wise use and management of natural
resources throughout the Town in order to preserve the integrity, stability and beauty of the
community and the value of the land.
Staff Response:
Statf does not beJieve that the resubdivision wi{I have any adverse effects orr the abave
criterion.
iV. Staff Recommendation
The Community Development Department recommends approval af #he proposed minor
subdivisiort subject to the following fending:
That the proposed minor subdivision plat complies with the review criteria and
~ requirements o€ Chapfier 13 0f the Town of Vai! Municipal Gode and development
standards as outlined in Ordinance 2, Series af 1997 (SDD #34).
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the great things tiaey da for our communiry. Sta Club Vaii is cuzrently 1004ng to
gez apprc~val for parrking in fronT of r.heir builtiing Many of the Vail VaIley
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and p;ck up farziiiy' memlaers and friends, at~d Ski Ciub vai l has always been very
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4 November 1998 .
i'lanning and Eiivironmental Cosslmigsion
Tcswn of Vail
Departi~ieiit of Coi-iirziunity Development
75 South Frontage Road
Vail, CO 81657 T.,adies and Gentlemen:
Ski Club Vail is requesting a 7"emporary Parlkingl Loading Zone along Vail VaIIey Drrve.
(As most of yau k-i1ow) Slci CIub Vail, farmed 39 years ago with approximately 25
athletes rnoved inta its current location in 1977 with approxiiriately 75 athletes. We
curi-ently have oveiA 280 athletes anrl 39 coaches and staff. Due to our increased numbers
as well as additional vehicular demands, the circular drive is no longer adequate for
~ loaditig and unloading. We are requesting a trial Temporary Parking 1 Loading Zone
similar to tllat of FirstBank of Vail. It would run approximately 250 feet along the soutlY
sidc; at' Vai1 Valley Drive sta.rtzng at a point cast of the end of the walkvvay to
approximately 40 feet west ofthe cueular dr'rve. The scheduied widenin- of Vail Valley,
Drive has been nioved back again to 20(}1. ,
Ski Club will self-police the area during its critical hours of 8.00 to 9:30 am azld 3:00 to
5:00 prh Saturctays and Sundays. We will also self-police the area on race days and any
alub functions.
This proposal has been reviewed by the Vail Towri Council and Vail Public Works
Department.
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,~R'ocky Christophet...
I3oard ofTrustees
Ski C;lub Vail
. 598 Vai# Valley C?rive • Vail, Golorado 81657 •(970) 476-5119 •(970) 476-7287 (Fax)
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PLANNrNG AND ENvIRcaNMENrAL cOMMiSSaON
November 9, 1998
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MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: S7'AFF F'FtESENT:
Greg Moffet A1lison Ochs
Ga1en A,asIand Brent Wilsan
Diane Golden Dominie Mauriello
Jcahn Schofield Lynne Campbell
Ann Bishop
Tom 1lVeber
Brian Doyon
Pub]ic I°Iearinq 2;00 p.m.
Greg Moffet ca1{ed the meeting to order at 2:00 p.m.
1. A request for a minor subdivision af Lot B, to adjust the building envelope, located at
1521 Bt=ffehr Creek Roat~ /Lo# B, a resubdivision of lots 3& 4, The VaIley.
Applicant: Sfieve Lindstram & PeggY Forken
~ Planner: Allison Ochs
Allison gave an overview of the staff inemo and said the resubdivision requestcarne about due
ta a computer error.
There were no pubiic comments.
John Schcafie,d rnpade a mc:tion far rapproval. ;
Diane Galden seconded the motion.
The mafion passed by a vote of 7-0.
2. R requesfi a site coverage variaqce from Section 12-21-14E of the Zoning Regulatians
and a firont setback variance, to ailow for the constructian of a new single-family
residence with a Type II EHU, iocated at 756 Potato Patch 1 L,nt 4, B1ock 2, Potato Patch.
Applicant: Wolfgang Berndt, represented by Steven Riden
Planner: Allison Ochs
Ailison gave an overview of the staff inemo no#ing the sfaff recommertded denial af #his request.
Michael Lauterbach. Look at Iasf page af package Allison put together; directed to areas A& B
on the lat which are in the buiIding area outside the front 20' setback and 15' side set back.
Would typicaliy be buildable except far Upper Eagle Vaiiey12" waterline that is. 20' deep, Asked~ Planning and Environmental Commission
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if they ceu1d move rebury, complica#ed and expensive. They told us pretty unlikely, would have ~
to haVe fW0 90-d~,'g?"e8 tUrIlS it't 1t to t"elt7Ga$e ft WIthoUt gOIfSg oUt ItltO 5tt'eE.''( a13d TOl/ wAt"1'f allt7W
the street cu#. A& B af area represents over 1700 sq. ff of area where house could be located if
it were not for that easement. This is an extraordinary circumstance. The an1y ottier portian of
the lof that is under 30°1o slope is n4#ated as "C„ on map. Michael #akes excep#ion to staff's
statemenf af no extraordinary circumstances are applicable. The ofher item he addressed is
item #1 recommenda#ion. 4s this agrant or special privileg€:? AIl lots in F'ota#a Patch are
priinarylsecondary and are allowed the 20°Io site coverage. Easement prahibits the use of #his.
V11aterline is in the most buildable section of the Iot. Owrwer would like to include an EHU in his
development. The area that makes the most sense is above the garage. It is a fhree-car
garage, 2spaces for nwner and 9 space far EHU, which sits in the se#back, which wauld be ok
by DRB. EHU an top ofi garage. If we knock out the #hird space actually down to 17°lo coverage.
If we knock out al3 #he garage we would be down within the 95%. Gaing to lose the EHU if have
to go down to the 15% coverage. This is the flattest portion of the Iot. 1n the lasfi paragraph, we
are appealing to yaur sense of fairness to aIlow us up to 20% site caverage even though
ca'Icu3ated up to 18°lo naw. Subjec# #o us applying for and being granted to construct an EHU and
ga through aH the requirements of th~ EHU ora the praperty. Accompiish other things, keep the
building to 2 stories and dnn'f have the garages apening up to Potato Patch drive which fowls up
the snow plovv in the winter. Would have one driveway cut up to 12' wide. Anyone have any
questions?
Tam Weber asked has this easemen# a1ways been on this srte?
Michael Lautsrbach: Yes. This is a cartnection iine. A11ows water services/systems in eastlwes#
Vail to connect_ ~
Tom: {directed to plannsrs} Any history behind not caunting ENU as site coverage?
Greg: Wa are not aufhorized to exchange ENIJ's.
Michael spoke to a few council members who said take it to them if yau (nRB) are not able to
grant variance.
Tam Weber asked aominic i'v"~~c'IeIlo have we granted variances due to easements.
Daminic Maurieifo: No, not for site coverage but for setbacks.
Tam Weber is not agreeable 4o an EHU counting as site caverage.
Michae! Lauterbach said owners were na# aware tha# there was samething in the hazard
ordinance tiiat restricted them to 'i 5% site caverage.
Ann Bishop stated there seemed to be a hardship creafed due to the easement. Would be
. costly to reiocate the waterline.
Michael Lauterbach res#ated that Upper Eagle Valley won't allow them to relocate the pipe.
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~ Ann Bishop stated the easements v+rere no# new information #o ovuner so the next step shoudd be
&o go 'Lo Town Council.
Michaef L;auterbach wariteci to knaw if the PIanning Commission made a recomrnendation to the
T'own CounciL
Greg IVIoffet said they vvi!! nay to approve or deny. Ne told Michael he can go to council and can
appead #he Plannang and Environmenta! Gommissian's decisitan, Ne told Michael he didn'tfihink it
was worth while to go t~ council. The owner's can't do what they want on this lat. Always
subject to review in ane way or another. Clienfs bought the 9ot with fuli Iegal notice of easements
and laws of the Tawn caf Vail. This is not a Iot you carr put a ?arge faotprint on. V1/e are here ta
recorrymend to Council, "I see no way to gran# a variance unde;- these circumstances without
graniing special priviiege." Bottom line.
Dominic Maurielio questianed councii's iegal authoriby to change the 15% site coverage required.
Greg Nfoffet said the Council has not changed the EHU in the four years he's been here;
daminic said if you use every inch of that top pi~ _,a yau wilisiiii eiid up with an averageslope
greafer than 30% .
Michael Lauterbach said he dicln'fi think fhat was frue. If gaou are 6°la under on that part (30%)
and only 3°fa over on the o#her you wiN still be under.
~ GCBg SalCJ that !S a 1'11p0# j301t1t.
John Schofield moved that we deny the request.
Seconded by 7om Weber.
AIl in favae of denial. 3. A request for a variance from Sec#ion 12-8A-11 of the Tawn of 0/ail Municipal Code, to
aIlow for parking and loading withir~ required setbacks, Ic~cated at 598Vait Valley Drive/Aporkion of Tract F, Vail Village 7tn Fiiing.
Applican#: Ski Club Va'sl
Pianner: Brent Wilspn
Greg asked who else had been contacted (ex parte) by Ski C1ub Vail.
Ga4en was contacted.
John Schafield stated he has a long time relationship with the club and his wife is an the board of
directors, however he has no finartcia( interest to gain from the ou#come of #his request.
E3rent gave an overview of the memo. Staff recommended deniaf subject to the foNowing
findings:
1. That the gran4Eng of the variance may be detrimental tothe public healfih, safety or
welfare, or materially injurious to praperties or improvements in the vicinity.
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Racky Christapher said the pictures he #oflk are not there did Brent submit #hem. He would' like
to have the pictures he #ook available for the staff. His Ietter sta#es their position and what they
Yaave tried #a accomplish over the years. Trying to get a warkable situation for loadinglunloading
for the athletes and equipment and representatives in front of the ski club. Uur besf scenario
thaf we found that work is 9s` Barak of Vail and how you have a linear 1oadinglunloading zone.
They would like to incorporate a similar sifuation. Identical as far as the set backs, identical as
far as the Town af Vail road right of way 50' right of way there. Thirrk we can make this work.
Wiil palice this with volunteers. Wili ptiat 3 people on fihe situation, 2 people at Ski Club Vail and 1
at Northwoods and Pinas del Norte. CJoing this frrr both Ski Club and anyone who tries to use
that ciuring Ski Club Vai1 time. Vlle have awark deposit that aii parents have. Think will have
more than enough parents to volunteer. 111thaf else can I tell you about Ski Club Vail ar?d keeping
a youth club in the Town af Vail?
Greg Moffet: Looks like we have other commentary, Iet's run through fihose and then we'11 s#art
asking questions.
Rocky Christopher had asked some of the athletes to bring in same of fhe equipment. People
not avvare what an a#hlete needs #o bring in for a race. (4-5 pair skis, tools, boots, etc.) Heavy.
Daug Schofield (racer with Ski Club Vail) i'have been dealing wifih fhis probfem for eleven years.
Driving from the saccer field would be danger to the athletes and vehicles. If we have to walk
from the soccer field up to six times this could pose a danger to us. By allawing us #a park in the
right of way this would allaw us to eliminate that danger and allow us to unload our equipment,
then go to neares# parkirtg Iot and park, Best issue we have come up with. He also mentioned ~
his mother had a car accident while avoiding a pedes#rian at Ski C(ub Vail.
Phil Hgversten is president of Ski Club Vailand lives out at go(f course. Two major thirrgs have
gone an here. Qne $ince a lot af this informatian presenteci in the packe# from #he s#aff was
agreed to back first in 1976, the ciub has grown, times have changed. Having kids walk from the
soccer field or parking structure isn°t realistic any more. Second, Town of Vail commi#ted to build
a sidewalk, roiler b}ade, waik way and bicycle path. Unfartunately, funds were diverted to Siebert
Circle or samething else. Wha# we have is a grated out ar€;a that is not paved, ideal for parking.
It does allow far the cicab to do the Ioadinglunloading. Vi(e will enfarce it. He was embarrassed
Iast year when a code enforcement officer had lights going when Phil had to drop off US ski team
racers. This reflects on the town. That area is wide enough to allow pedestrians to pass through
and won't effect any#hing on #he pavemen#. If doesn't work then we are back tu vvhere we were.
EIlen Galbraith from Ski Club Vail. Asking for laading zone for when there are raees. it won't be
every day. It is for practicai purposes, similar to dropping off chi{d far baseball practice (drop off
and leave). We use the s#reet jus# iike Fed X uses the street to drop vff packages. We do car
pool.
Greg asked for public comments. ,
Dave Corbin on behalf sf 1lai1 Associates. Regarding the request itself, we do not necessarily
take a pasition pro or con on the request itself. We do want to make it clear we don'# feeE we can
fiake on a management rall of the parking related to Ski C1ub Vail or the spaces af#er nine or
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ob3igation under peak ~ericads for VA 'Lo staff 1vith sort~~~~ specificity both the children's drop off and
the North side drop off dUri,~g peak periods that we have been doing. In non-peak we dnn't have
an operational, agreement #o put p.,or.4o onthe ground to handle the addedtraffic, unless specifie
events start to occur, like stacking z:o the street from our 8ots. If parking stack6ng crr road
cangestion occurs with r~~pp-ct to demand generated by Ski Club Vail, we don't think that triggers
an added responsibo9ity on our part. V1/e are here to try to caoperate wi#h Ski CIub Vail, the Town,
the r. e:,ighborhood in a meaningful way to make sure the entire area works well for our guests and
the public. Nowever, by taking the vaiet program that the Town asked us fa fake last year, we
are now managing on the North side lot 30-40 s=:ame odd come and gra spaces when our original
target in the operatianal management plan was 29. So we are aIready taking care of more cars
than was ariginally contemplated in that operatirxg mariagemen# agreement.
Greg asked how many more spotslcapacity do ycau have when you get rid of the illegal reserve
spots?
Dave Carbin said we don't #eel #hose spots are illegaily reserved. Here is the reason. We think
that the operatiort rrtianagenlent plan is a living document, which we have lm-xt year ard the year
before have worked with TOV and the neighbarhoad on. We have held appointments and dnne
reviews. Last year we had problems at the initiation of the valet pragram at Xmas and the
children's center drop off, after tha# it is aur irnpression that everything warked well there. 1lVe
had Linderstandirtg wi#h pub9'ic works, Town management and the neighborhooid in regards to the
operatianal techniques going on there. Qf those 8 spaces #hat are assigned or f{,ave signs on
them; 4of them are come and go for crossµcountry program, which goes sut ofi GoIden Peak, 2
~ spaces for come and gn for Vail management, and 2 spaces go to building and maintenance.
We fieel we are meeting the intent af the original agreement. We feel we have gone above and
beyond that. We are prepared to da more, but we don't feel we can take the burden of managing
the street especially at non-peak after 9am. Operation guys are here if you want to talk to them
about how this works or will work in respect to Ski Club Vail's request.
John Schofield asked Rocky of Ski Club Vaii ar Dave Gorbin has SCV not already made arrangernents for the younger kids who are primarily involved with Ski Gfub to be dropped aff af
Golden Peak drop aff and go directly to the lifts as opposed fia going to the ctub?
Rock's impression affer speaking to Phii Hoversten was yes.
Johrr 5chofield asked haw many of the 280+ members would be grauity corps toward Galden
Peak Ski Schoal drop off that have aIready by-passed the c1ub.
Phil Noversten saidover 100.
Racky Christopher: The ages of those run f'ram 8-12 years old. They are the younger grcrup. T'he
a#hletes that use the area we are talking abaut run from 10-22 years old.
John Schofield: And the drop off with the younger kids works successfully?
Roeky Ghristopher responded, very successfully.
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Dave Corbin said if there were any other operatianal questions he wouid defer to Brian ~
McCartney or Jeff Babb.
Greg Moffet asked Dave not to leave yet.
Jim Lamont was at Tawn Council meeting when Rocky and Phil came to talk to the Cauncil, The
Momeowners Associa#ion agreed to try to help mediate this issue wifh some of the neighborhood
property owners. Asked that Phi1 and Rocky speak to Pinos del Narte, Northwoads and Manor
1/ail Lodge. 7`hink they were able to speak to (Vlanor Vai!'s rnanager didn'f have a problem with it.
Remains fa be seen if owners have a probSem with it. F'irros and Northwaods have the
tradi#ional probiem with people turning around in thteir driveway due to lack of anather area. Ski
Glub Vail is a desirable functian to have in the neighboncood and corrrmunify. If #his si#e doesn't
work are there other sites? Jim can'f think of any. Vile are at a point we have to deai with realify.
Jim trying to find a middle groL!nd for aII parties invfllved. Sugges#s #iered hierarchy of functians
rela4ive to parking and drop off. The highest tier is the drop aff func#ion and the reasan the site is
designed the way it is so i# has a turn around where the drap off fiinc#ian was designed into it.
Understands frani Ski Club Vaii they need this area for an race day vendors, racers and an going
basis for van storage. T'hinks original intent was to provide some off street parking, minimal, bu#
primari9y for drop off and turn around furtcticrrt. Suggest the turn around area :be used for the
drap off and not have any on street parking excep4 when there is the need far vendor parking and
we go to same sort of permit parking insfead nf drop off zone. Permit parking on race days, the
van could park off the street, better contral. The racers could use the turrt around drap off ta
faadlunlaad. Think something needs #o be worked out with Ford Park soccer fie{d for storage for
the ski racer's van. This will keep the traffic flowing, keep neighborhood happY and keep the
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Galen Aasland stated given the non-profit status it still needs to meet some equivalent as other
businesses that we request similar release of the town ordinance. Ne is na# in favor of many
solutions, loolcing far long term solution. Thinks Ski Glub Vaif needs to find a solution that fi#s the
current zoning. Galen #hinks Ski Club Vai1 is avictim of your own siaccess and think you need to
put in or find some money ta upgrade your facility so safer and meets the Town use. Have some
concern if passed regarding caverflow nf parking from Golden Peak. Ann Bishap agrees with Jim L.amant, it is the best site, Think this is a resalvable problem with
cammunicatiort between Ski Club Vail and the Town. Think favor anottter year or twa af this use
if the Town praceeds wifh this path.
Diane Golden commented the pictures were taken in the fail no# winter when the raad is
narrawer.
Phi! F-9oversten mentioned a meeting Ski Giub Vail had w6th Larry Morrison, piows the entire area
in question. They were concerned with the stcapping up ofi the drain from the soccer field; it has
been resalved sa water will flow inward, Larry #old Phil he wauld push the snow further taward
the Children's center, where there is an area. If we all coaperate that area would be open for
parking.
Diane GoIden asked about the capacity af the volunteers.
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~ Phil Ncruersten answered t~ey `nrould be takirtg the place ofi a code enforcement officer. Ttley
wouid make sure fihe ar°ea stays as a1oadinglunlaadirag zerne.
Diane Golden asked if Ski Club Vail had particular times of the day this wouici occur.
Phil Hoversten: 7:30-8.30 am then done. Maybe the accasiona1 person. Pick up is different. Not
sure when the racer wi91 kae there. Would want peaple to stay in their car un#il the racer comes
claown with their equipment.
Diane Golden asked if this coult( happen soon,
P:~il Hoversten said there had been over the years Ski Club Vail had some parking with Manor
Vail Ladge during slow times. `1"hey seem #o relish their parking spaces. TIiey didn't ofifer any
he9p.
Racky Christopher stated Manor Vail Lodge did afifer free parking. Ngw it is a pay #or seasonal
parking.
E3rian McCartrrey regarding parking at Manor Vail, yeu should take Manor Vail otat of the thought
process. 7hey are very protec#ive of #he lot, aimast not wiliing tfl take money far the spaces they
da have available.
Rocky Christopher° stated NCanor Vail Lodge used fio obliging for coaches to park there.
Tightened up considerably.
~ Diane Go1den did like Mr. Lamont's sugges#ion for the turn around to be used as the drop off
point,
Rocky Christppher went of the display maps with the commissian. Referred to 1&' Bank of Vail
set back, Asking far the same situation, putting pedestrians aff the street and pu#ting higner from
stree#. Circular driveway's failihg is it is only as fast as the fasfest car drapping off. The situation
he praposes to get all vehicles off the streefi for drop aff won't be blocking buses. Moved laading
and unloading time of athletes from 8 am 4o 9:30 a.m. at which tlrrie Ski Ciub Vai( out of there.
This situation happens 5 months aut of the year, 2 hours in a.m. and p.m. on the weekends.
Give us a chance an this. Police department set in their ways and we feel we can rnake this
work. We keep getting delayed. We have an inflexible police department and angrY parents.
1Ne need to t_ry it, if we're wrong, we're sorry, we'!1 go an.
Diane Go(den thinks Ski Club Vail full supports Ski Club Vaif. She is ready to give conditional
use permi# but acknovvledges we need to come up with a bet#er salution.
Rocky Christcipher agreed but s#ated #he club is cnnstrained by where the club is located,
Phil Noversten said Ram Hopkins is working on a redo of the club. C)bviously something like that
vuould be in the 2-3 miNion-do!!ar range, included in that would be afif site parking. Won't happen
this year.
Diane Golden but #his could happen.
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Phil Navers#ert, yes, hopefully in the near future. ~
Tom Weber asked how the parking is currently being handled? How is what is currently
happening different #han what is being praposed now7
Phil Hoversten said it isn°t di#ferent, just bring order to the ciaos. Would have Ski Club Vait
people assos#ing with the drop aff. Would also help Pinos del Norfie/Northwoods by #eNing others
to drive further down to turn around.
Tom Weber doesn't understand why using the #urn around. C3ifferent from 1St Bank becaUSe they
are not unloading in that zone. The safest possibility would be to keep the turn around as the
drop off. If you use the volunteers for palicing the loadinglunioading process. Think i# would go
farfiher for safiety for the kids.
Phil Hovers#en stated since fhey now have 3-4 15seat vans no where to put the vans. it is the
day to day business, vendors, and iJPS trucks. If went the way Tom Weber rnentioned to alfaw
parking on the street Phil said he fh9nks that possible,
Rocky Christopher said L.arry Grafei men#ioned there may be same#hing vuorked ou# for storage
of vans during the daytime. Caaches take the vans home af night. Length of time depends.
Tried to do the soccer field but can't get the vans out during the day. Dave mentioned using
valet parking wifih VA. This wouid help considerably. The raund about just doesn'f tiandle that
number of kids in that time frame.
Tom Weber sympathetic to situation. Having problem supparting what seems to him as an ~
unsafe situa#ion. Ne thinks the problem is a 1ot smallerthan what it seems #o be,
Rocky Christopher stated there is a way #o work aut the problem they just need cooperation.
T'om Weber would be in support of applica#ion more if SkiClub Vail was presenting a long-term
plan. WYtat abaut incorpnrating tha# kind 4f sfllution here into a long-term plan. '
Rocky Christapher said they wnuld like to but they can't. TOV going to #ear up that strip gaing to
the soccer fie1d. We #ried ts start five years ago with that and it is a catch twenty-two. Ski Club
Vail wasn't to do anything until the Town of Vail came ta the plate with how they want the path to
wnrk.
Dominic Mauriello said when talking abaut long term solation we are talking about something that
doesn't involve the right of way.
Jahn Schofield said why not approve application for one year.
Rocky said tha# VA tald them if Ski Club Vail comes up with a lang-term plan they will look into
some use of their land. We don't know what wil( happen.
Tom Weber summed up by s#ating the loadinglunloading best suified in the turn around. AnY tYpe
of overflow then goes flut into the right of way. Any type of temporary parking then goes info the
right of way.
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~ Brian McCartney for Vail Asscaciates. Responding to Tom UVeber's comments. This
co, iversation goes on every year. We need to start this conversation now for next year and not
wa!#. Ne encourages not making a decision today. Make decision to observe the process and #o
go to site on potenrtially the worst Ski Club l/ail day and see what realiy is happening. Ir?volve
Gode EnPorcement, Town Council, 5ki Club uail, F'lanning Commission, F'inos del Norte,
Norkhwoods, Manor Vail, etc. Maybe it is not really as big a problem as we all think. Long-#erm
p!an wi9l take more coaperation and mare variances than any 50' has seen in the. Town of Vaif,
[ Il, ian Doyon the problerr3 is we don't have a master plan for this area. Need to ge' a master
p,an 6aefivveen 1lA and Ski Glub Vail to ciean Lap the problern. in Vaii Associa#~s 't;esil interest to
wark with you. Parking is the bigges# problem. Maybe you couid work sorriethinq out w;th the
Town for reserved parking at Ford Park, R31 in favor to allow this request to go fihrough for short
tertii if you come in with amaster plan.
John Schofield said fhere is so much agreement here that there just naeds s~me find tuning and
definiteiy 1ooking at fong term. Everybody in agreement Ski Glub Vai{ is great asse# for our kids,
revenue etc. Unfortunately Ski Ciub Vail is constrained due to the site. There is nca soiution
going to came out of fhis rneeting v+rifihout the tweakir~~ ~~nd pushing and pu(ling. Lanq term
sa3ution is mandatory. Shares Rock's cancerns. Being a nan-profifi organization have to be
sensitive to tha# fact when speaking of improvements. From technicai stand paint that the
applica#ion will nof be granted special privilege in that previous Planning Cammissions have
a4re~?,,.dy approved a similar type situaticrn? You de€initeiy can not grant speeial privilege to one
and nat others in the same zone. A mas#er plar needs to be submitted. Lat size is deflnitely a
factor. Set backs are such that there are none. This is a unique operation. This is something
~ that contribu#es to the cammunity. Think we need to look where we shauld hang our hats as
commissioners, #hat this being a unique circumstance we did have some Iatitude as to what we
can and cannat do.
Greg Moffet said if this was any other applicant asking for fhis kind of consideration in a location
{ike fihis would we grant the variance. 7he answer is no. VVe are asking if the statute aliows us
the flexibility to consider that we like the guys, who are applying, because we do. Is this appropriate use of this 1o4? Ne said he is not certairi thaf it is. I don't wanf to see'Ski Giub Vail
move down vaiiey. in the long term unless we came up with something , I'm not sure this is
the right use far #his location. This is the toughest situa#ion that has came up in a while. 1Ne as
commissioners rspresent a consistent strong bias agains# managed salutions. We have
consistently stated tha# we don't think they wiA work, they require things like volunteers to shaw
up Saturday marning ar ability to hire $5.00 per hour employees. I wcauld encaurage my fiellow
commissioners, if they decide to approve tMis, to approve only for this season and to encourage
the applicant to presen# a real salution to the prnblem, probably sometime well before the end ofi
tha season.
Jeff Babb, manager for base area aperations for Vaid Assaciates. C)ur peak time for any day of
#he week at GP children's center is 8.30-10:30am, afternonn starts as early as 2:30pm too as
Iate as S;OOpm. The GoIden Peak PVorkh 1ot runs about the same time maybe a Iittle later. Valet
problems don't usuaI(y sccur until about 10:00am. The afternoons are something we realiy
haven't addressed here. We've gone through #he morning drop off times but haven"t taIked
about the fact that they all show up at the same time in the afternoon. Anywhere from 2:30-4:30,
maybe even 5:00pm. UVe have people stacking up. The real problem is in the affernoons.
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Greg Moffet said there are ather questions to consider: wha# if the volunteers dcsn't show up, who ~
pays for the CEU's to go down there? t3n the assurnption we approve some kind of drap off
parking on #he s#reet. There really is no way to reserve that for Ski CIub Vail. If your volunteers
are not there #o manage fi}iat, what happens when #he family from N1exico decides to clrop off
their children to the Ghildren's Center? Now are #hey going to treat them? The racers gaing to
Park Cify, for exampie, drop off doesn't accur at 9:00 in the morning,
Racky Christopher said you are righ#. Most af that occurs at 5:00 in the mnrning, The problem
occurs when they come back. Trips are usually formalized to meet befare the average times.
.Jahn Schofieid can verify this.
Greg Moffet asked if the drop ofif cnuld oGCUr on the top of the transportation cen#er.
Roc~,, C;hristopher said no since half of their equipment is at the Club "rn their loc#cers.
Tom Weber asked how the managed solution has not worked in the past. Has is no# been
implemented?
Racky Ghristopher said they were not aIlowed.
Tom Weber stated that it was being done illegal anyway, right?
Racky said yes.
Tam Weber asked why didn't they #ry to irnplement something befare this time period. ~
Phii Hoversten said that right ncrw if is iiiegai to park on Vail Valley Drive. The question is what is
considereti 1fai1 Val{ey Drive, Uvhether onar off. None of this parking is on #he pavement itself.
What this boils dawn to is there is an ordirtar?ce that there is no parking on Vail Valley Qrive, 1f
Ski Club Vaii can heip manage that, that is wha# fhey are praposing and taking some burden off
Greg Morrison's people. Or we can con#inue an with what is happening. Think this is unrealistic
for a ski organization like #his.
Rocky woufd lave to come up with a long-term solutian. Right now we have been tald we could
come up with a long-term solution when the Town af Vail came up with theirs. That's what we
have been waiting an, in catch 22. Started 5 years ago. Did draw up a set of plans with Pam
Nopkins, who uolunteered to do this, bu# didn't resolve the parking sa it was scraped, 1f we can
get mnre iand I'd love to have it. We would like to get this resolved.
Brian Doyon asked if Ski Club Vail would agree to a temparary approvaf af this with acondition
that by February 1sg ~~~t you would have a master p1an. !f we can react this fast we wil1.
Phil Haversten wquld like to see the Town, Vail Associates and Ski Club Vail sit down together
and work pu# a long-term plan. Part of the long-term plan will be ta put a curb cut, roller blade
area or bike path.
Brian Doyon asked for a mas#er plan regarding the drop off prablem.
Phi1 Haversten sat with Dave Corbin of VA regarding parking. Ta pufi parking under the ski hill.
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~ We have our own pian to qo under ft1e hiil as well. That won't be done by Fp-bruary 1", "I don't
jhink".
GaIen made a motion to approve the request with conditions.
Greg so moved.
Johri Schofield seconded the motiorr.
John arnended the motian option to issued temp loading zane with signage indic:atif ig such area,
15-minute zone.
Greg Maffet said we have a motican as amerided seconded by Jahn Schofield:
Larry Grafel said we are talking abcaut public right of way. There are aIready 2 drap off areas,
Golden Peak and East Lionshead. He is convinced the pick up issue is 1arger #han the drop off
issue. Ne feels the public is not cammi#ted to salving the issue with use of the right of way. Ne
supports coming up with a master plan #o resolve the issue. (f this goes south there is snme
recansideration of canceling fihis until we can come to some better agreement in regards how to
manage Ski Club Vail's prflblem and still satisfy public safety.
Dave Garbin, IIA, said they don'# have a problem with Galena's motion, Wil!#ng to consider uses
on VA property but will stfll run into constrains. There are zoning issues on VA proper#y as we11 as
cavenanfs.
~ Dominic Mauriello asked what happens when temporary permit expires and club cames back
next year? We should hold firm to the February 28'h date. Gauncilneeds ta approvethis
request.
Ann Bishop thinks February 28t" is unrea(istic.
Phil Noversfen agrees with Ann Bishop, February 28th unrealistic. They are commitfed #o the
rrsaster plan but ghink the date is not possible.
Jim Lamant questianed the difference between conditional use and a variance.
Dorrtinic MaurieNo stated that a variance will expire unless it is a condition. The variance will
expire May 10, 1999.
Jim Lamont #hinks May 10, 1999 is a fair date. If master p9an rrot vvarked caut with adjacent
property owners than 54ci Club 1/ai9 cannof br6ng it back unless fhey do have a master plan, not
necessar6ly with agreement with VA or adjacent awners. Not sure he agrees with Larry regarding
the public right of way. We do have a permit process for trucks in the east village.
Galen Aasland askcd Phil Hoversten if if was possible for Ski Club Vai1 fia show some progress is
being made; necessarily cornpiefe.
Phil Hoversten thought it was passible. Phil agreed with Ann Bishcap that Ski Club Vail should
have one year to put the mas#er plan together. He wanted ta know what constitufes work done
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regarding Gaien's proposal. Option to rezone but Mike Mo11ica said don't da unfil you have a ~
plan.
Greg Mo#'fiet stated waiting one year we would run inta the same prablem as this year.
Brent Wilsflrt said the previous variance request in 1986 was set tQ expire 1987. What is the
Town's recaurse if the parking situation becomes a rea{ rness ancl the police deparkment nceds
to get involved? Are we willing to defer to February 28 `h deadline to address fhis or is a condition
goiCig tO k9e plaCed tha'~ ~ny po11"1t 1n tItl'ie...
Brian {1/icCartney in response to Brent's question, in the short term if we include Ski Club Vail with
the group that is a}ready formed between VA, the Tawn and neighborhood (the Assessment
Cbmrrsiftee) to evaluate these situations in spontaneous meetings. 7hese problems will be dea1
with immediately and not down the road.
Phil Noversten wcruld prefer the dead]ine be at the end af the summer. We have V1Corld
Champinnships gaing an during February.
Brian McCartrtey believes in the deadline date. In this case going to be looking for resources ta
do project. We need to know that certain variances wi11 pass when applied fior before we go
about wasting our involunteer resources. That area of Ski Club Vaif is fraught wi#h restric#ions;
we will have to cset amendments for ways to deal with terrifiory. Need to come up vsrifh a real and
viable alternafive to deal with this prablem.
Greg Moffe# said we have a rnotion an the fiaar. All in favor 4, oppased 3. Variance passes 4-3 ~
with 8 conditions listed below.
1. That the approval be limited ta a period of one year laetween the dates of November 6cn
and May 10th and the hours of 7:00 a.m. - 6.00 p,m,
2. That the terms outlined in the Memorandum of Understanding dated January 6t", 1998
be fulfilled in their entirety. ~
3. That an agreemen4 be established between the Town of Vail and Ski Club Vail for the
management (maintenance, signage, enforcement) of parking on this property.
4. That Ski Club Vaii submit a long term parking/develapment plan for review no later than
February 28, 1999. [Va future variance requests will be considered without the submittal
af a long-term p1an.
5. That all signage required f+ar maintenance and enfarcement of the parking area be paid
for by the appliaant.
6. TMat a9'9 uItimate SoButioCt 'Eo6"the llse t)f the "turn arsaur?d area" arad reaad shcaulder be
arranged in the agreement between the 7own c?f Vail and Ski Club Vail.
7. That theVail'Town Council apprtrve the use of the right-ryf-way for this purpose.
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~ 8. 1f, at any point during this approval period, the Town of Vail deems the parking/loading
management situation inadequate, outstandirtg issues will be resolved by fhe
"assessment corr~~iftee" - a committee derived of representatives from fihe Town of Vai1,
Ski Club Vaii and Vail Associates.
4. A request fnr aConditiartal Use Permit, to allow far a "transpartatian business" within
SDD #4, located at 1295 S. Frontage Road/Cascade Viliage,
Appiicant: Thrifty Car Rental, represented by Rudy & Assnciates
Planner: George Ruther
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5, A cequest for a final review and a rccomrnendation an #he Lionshead N1aster Plan.
App{6cant: Town of Vail
Planner: Lionshead Master Plan Team
TABLED UNTIL 1 1I23l98
6. Information Update
7. Approval af October 26, 1998 minutss. GaIen's to be mndified.
~ Greg adjourned the meeting at 4:20pm, mo#ioned by Brian Dc,yon, seconded by Qiane Golden.
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