HomeMy WebLinkAboutWeltner rockfall hazard reclassification request 080713
Lynne Campbell
To:Sean Koenig
Subject:RE: rockfall hazard classification for Lots 1-3, Eleni Zneimer Subdivision
From: Warren Campbell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:15 AM
To: Sean Koenig
Subject: RE: rockfall hazard classification for Lots 1-3, Eleni Zneimer Subdivision
I agree. What he has provided is not what is needed and the town will not be initiating and sort of amendment.
From: Sean Koenig
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Warren Campbell
Subject: FW: rockfall hazard classification for Lots 1-3, Eleni Zneimer Subdivision
Warren,
I “reached out” one last time to Mr. Weltner regarding the rockfall hazard classification for Lot 1, Eleni Zneimer
Subdivision. Please read his response below and let me know what you think. (By the way, in prior
correspondence, I’ve been very clear that: 1) the letter he provided to us is not sufficient evidence to have the
hazard reclassified and in order to do so, he’d need to submit a more detailed site-specific analysis; and 2) his
study does not need to include all properties in the neighborhood…it merely needs to detail how the hazard
area should be modified specifically for his property).
Meanwhile, my thoughts are as follows:
-The study performed in 1984 (entirely paid for by the Town) was a broad-brush evaluation of the
Town. It was meant to be used as a reference and is used to determine which properties require site-
specific detailed hazard assessments.
-A report performed less than 30 years ago is not considered outdated in geological terms. The only
variable in regards to assessments in the subjectivity of the party involved in performing the study. As
indicated in paragraph 2 of the original study, interpretations are subjective (“No two geologists would
draw runout lines at the same exact location…not all geologists would assign the same degree of
severity to any particular rockfall…we feel confident in the accuracy of our results and will stand by
them.”)
-The Town is not interested in restudying the area, paying for a restudy of the area, or coordinating the
neighbors to have the area restudied.
-The study Mr. Weltner refers to as acknowledging their lot as being moderate (instead of high) severity
is simply a letter with no additional detailed information; and it is not enough to be considered clear and
convincing evidence supporting an amendment to the map.
At this point I feel like I need to resend him a prior email in which I addressed these matters. I would also let
him know the Town is not interested in getting involved and I will consider the matter off the table until we
receive a detailed hazard assessment specific to Lot 1.
Your thoughts?
Sean
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From: Doug Weltner \[mailto:Doug.Weltner@colliers.com\]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:22 PM
To: Sean Koenig
Cc: Doug Weltner; Brennen Fitzgerald (brennen@sstaia.com); John Tyler <jtyler@slifer.net> (jtyler@slifer.net);
'Scott Turnipseed' (scott@sstaia.com)
Subject: Re: rockfall hazard classification for Lots 1-3, Eleni Zneimer Subdivision
Sean I appreciate your follow up on the rockfall hazard classification request. As you know we have a study that
clearly acknowledges our lot 1 being in a moderate rockfall zone. We were not interested in being the lead for a
much larger area that could involve a lot of cost on our part to revise the incorrect and outdated map that was
done in the 1980s by the city. We would be interested in participating in a city sponsored revision to the map so
long as it was proportionately paid for by the land owners effected. Again we want to participate. Please let us
know what you think would be the next step to move this forward as a group if adjacent property owners were
willing to participate and how would the city help us to get everyone involved. Thanks again for reaching out on
this issue and let me know your thoughts.
Doug Weltner
Colliers International
913-484-4447 cell
816-556-1131 work
doug.weltner@colliers.com
On Aug 6, 2013, at 6:27 PM, "Sean Koenig" <SKoenig@vailgov.com> wrote:
Good Evening Doug,
I am reaching out a final time in order to see if there are any additional questions I can address
at this time in regards to your request to have the rockfall hazard classification revised for Lot 1,
Eleni Zneimer Subdivision in Vail, Colorado, .
As stated in prior correspondence, a site-specific hazard analysis including technical and
geological evidence detailing the recommended amendment is required in order for staff to
have enough clear and convincing evidence to take the item to Town Council for their review of
the proposed amendment and reclassification.
Please know that you will likely not hear from me again regarding the matter until such time as
the Town receives a complete application including a detailed hazard analysis.
Please feel free to contact me regarding the matter.
Sincerely,
Sean Koenig
GIS Specialist
Community Development Department
(39° 38' 39.5"N 106° 22' 51.0"W @ 8150')
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