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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1967-10-16 Town Council MinutesE 7 MINUTES OF PUBLIC HEARING ON MASTER PLAN THE TOWN OF VAIL October 16, 1967 The Meeting was called to order by Mayor C. E. Kindel at 8:00 p.m. ROLL CALL Roll Call found the following Members present: Mayor C. E. Kindel Trustee Joe Langmaid Trustee John Donovan Trustee Peter Seibert Trustee John Dobson Members Absent - Trustee Burdick and Trustee Willett. I/1INUTES OF THE MEETING Mayor Kindel gave a brief introduction of the Master Plan which was being submitted to the Board of Trustees. Those Members of the Planning Commission which were present were: Mayor C. E. Kindel, Trustee John Dobson, Chairman Fred Froehlich, David Gorsuch and the Planning Consultant from Harmon, O'Donnell and Henninger Associates, George Beardsley. Mayor Kindel then turned the Meeting over to Chairman Fred Froehlich. Mr. Froehlich stated that the Planning Commission was a legally constituted body appointed by the Trustees, and their prime concern is ,.nticipating the future needs of Vail as a developing community. Mr. Froehlich introduced Blake Lynch, the Planning Director. Mr. Lynch noted that comprehensive planning is needed to guide and regulate the future physical development of the community, and although it is primarily concerned with the physical development, it is obvious there are certain social and economic considerations that go into it. The Planning Board acts in an advisory capacity. The Master Plan is a conceptual plan and through the years there will be changes made; because there is a Master Plan in existence does not mean that it must be blindly adhered to for years to come. Zoning is a tool to implement the Master Plan. Capitol budgeting might be a phase that would involve the Planning Commission. It would be allocating funds for public facilities. Chairman Froehlich then introduced Mr. Peter Seibert, Gen- eral Manager of Vail Associates, Incorporated, who complimented the large at.'endance which showed an interest in the developments of their Town, and indicated that all were welcome to contribute suggestions. Mr. Seibert noted that Vail Associates, Incorporated, were not ignoring summer facilities, but basically the thing that makes us grow now is the development on the mountain. At this time the development on the mountain is approximately 257o complete. Some of the future plans are, (1) another lift into the North- east Bowl, (2) another to the top of the Golden Peak, (3) Lions Head area lifts, and (4) lifts to bring people in from Vail Pass or Black Gore Creek. This would be at least 5 to 15 years away, and involve a 15, 000 skier day. We have to stay in there in this recreational business and grow. Chairman Fred Froehlich introduced Mr. George Beardsley and Mr. Don Payne from Harmon, O'Donnell and Henninger Associates, who presented explanatory material for the projections resulting in the proposed Master Plan. 0 Page 2 - Master Plan Hearing - October 16, 1967 1. Lift Capacity Mill Creek 5,000 Lions' Head 5,000 Vail Pass Access 3 - 5,000 2. Customer Break Down Mill Creek and Lions Head (Spend the night) Resident 7,500 Non -Resident 2,500 10,000 Vail Pass Access Non -Resident 3 - 5,000 3. Residlent Guest Requirements Skier Guests 7,500 Non -skier Guests 1,300 8,800 4. Development Requirements Future Existing Lodge Beds 6,160 980 Apartment Beds 2, 200 1,000 House Beds 880 500 Permanent Beds 3,120 Restaurant Seats 4, 200 1,120 Bar Seats 1,400 560 Village Shops & Service $160, 000 $50, 000 ShoFping Center 40,000 Highway & Heavy Service 5 Acres Parking 16 Acres 5. Community Facilities Conference Center Performing Art Center Clinic, Health Center Churches Elementary Schools & Athletic Fields Visitor Information & Transportation Center 18 holes of golf and additional tennis Swimming pools - one covered Ice Rinks Movie, Bowling, Racquets With the use of slides of the Master Plan, Mr. Beardsley • presented the proposed land use Master Plan. Questions: 1. Fred Froehlich - Question of the Planning Commission - What is going to happen to the core area here when we start developing the second core, perhaps in 10 or 15 years. Answor - The first core will be saturated before the second core will be developed and it will be a natural growth. 0 Page 3 - Master Plan Hearing - October 16, 1967 2. Fred Froehlich - Question of the Planning Commission - If the land now used for parking lots will be developed, what will be the answer to the parking problem that we are now faced with. Answer - Parking will then be supplied through structural parking facilities. 3. George Knox - With the projection of two core areas, it looks to me like it would be more logical to, in the beginning, establish your shopping center half -way between the two cores. Answer - The normal shopping center should be an extension of Bridge Street. 4. George Knox - When you do that you are creating a bigger parking problem. In effect, you will have two sets of parking. Answer - It is planned to have at least two levels of structured parking - short term - for the shoppers or visitors to the core and at night that parking is free for those visitors wishing to visit restaurants and bars in the area. 5. Unknown - The end product you will have no surface park- ing existing on site? Answer - There will be no surface parking in a few instances however, some will be maintained at all times. 6. Bunny Kopff - What about Employee Housing? Answer - 8% of the housing will be residential; 38% will always drive from outside of the valley; the balance, which is about 60%, will be people who need close -in housing, i. e. , split shift, etc.. There will be an area that will be developed for them. There will possibly be some long term residential above the shopping center with the structural parking below the surface. 7. Unknown - To what extent is the Master Plan and recom- mendations of the Planning Commission the thinking of the Board of Trustees? Answer - There has been a considerable exchange of corres- pondence, numerous meetings of the Commission and the inclusion of their suggestions that have been incorporated. 8. Unknown - How close is it to being zoned? Answer - The master Plan is implemented by a zoning ordinance and it will be three or five more months before it can be drafted and will be the actual enforcement tool to put the Plan into operation. 9. Warren Pulis - On your original plan the ratio of lodge beds in comparison to Apartment beds is three to one in the future; right now it is one to one - with the increased interest in condominiums, is there a possibility that the trend would be more toward managed condominiums? Is it conceivable that this might change in the future? Answer - Large fully managed condominiums might sub- stitute for a lodge function in some areas. • Page 4 - Master Plan Hearing - October 16, 1967 10. Is Manor Vail an example of this concept. Answer - Yes, the size that it takes to financially support a management type condominium would be somewhere around 100 units. It would have to have a food area and most of the condominiums tend to be too small. It is very difficult to maintain a pedestrian village and Planning does not warrant too many condominiums. Peter Seibert said that during the slower periods of the year lodges have a higher occupancy rate than the condominiums. 11. Have height factors been talked about? Answer - We will get into that with the implementation of the Zoning Ordinance. do12. Bunny Kopff - Is there any way that we can make this more than a two or three story town so that the village could have a sky line? Answer - What we are talking about here is controlled limits on the heights to limit any blockages of the facilities that we already have here. We surely don't want a 10 or 12 story sky line. We are attempting to maintain an alpine village here. 13. Ginnie Crowley - Is the village at the bottom of the Bowls a myth? Answer - This Plan does not encompass that particular area. Our long range plan does call for facilities coming off of Vail Pass at the bottom of the Bowls. It will be a very small fraction of what you see out front. 14. Bob Manthorne - What consideration has been given beyond the present Town limits by the Texaco Station and the Vail Village West. Answer - Essentially we have been dealing with Vail lands only. It doesn't mean that we are ignoring the rest of the valley. The rest of the valley will be most important. The next step for the Planning Commis- sion is to take a longer look at the whole valley, open space and land use control. The statutes give the Planning Commission limited powers to plan for areas three miles beyond the corporate limits of the Town. The Commis- sion will be taking a longer look at a larger regional plan for the valley. 15. George Knox - Can we request the County to zone this whole valley? Answer - The County has the power to zone the valley. It would not have any strength unless there were a County Master Plan. An un- incorporated area can be zoned. 16. Will we contribute to landscaping on Highway Interstate 70? Answer - No, it will be up to the federal and state Govern- ment. 17. Wouldn't it be to our advantage to supervise this? This would add to our growth potential. Answer - The Planning Commission has approached the State Authorities on a scenic overlook. 0 Page 5 - Master Plan Hearing October 16, 1967 18, In the studies that you have made, has there been any comparison made between the week long guest as opposed to the one day guest? Answer - We have looked at the two spending patterns in lodging and the propensity to some commercial shopping. We hope to do more this winter. 19, It would seem to me that in the long range plan it would be determined that it is not a real economic advantage to have the one day skier in the core. Answer - It is important to have them as an advantage of growth and for midweek business. 20. Does the Master Plan essentially change the zoning in 16 this Village as we know it. Answer - The Zoning Ordinance is the implementation of existing use and for future use. 21. Would there be any interest incmdominimizing Lodges on a very large scale? Answer - It is a financial tool to finance some big devel- opments, but it is unlikely to completely condominimize the village. 22. Do you ever feel that there will be a need for a high school? Is this beyond our growth? Answer - The plans here do not call for a long range plan for a high school. It calls for a large elementary school. There is an area being reserved at the western end of Vail which would be opposite the lumber yard. Mayor Kindel indicated that the County was planning a High School down near Avon, Colorado. The County would have a consolidated school and the possibility of a High School here is very slim. 23. Concerning the possibility of the installation of a cable or monorail, what space has been left or would it mean condemning certain areas? Answer - Space has been left in the event there is such an installation as far as rights -of way. It is a flexible plan. Probably the use of a bus system would be most feasible. 24. How can the parking in the Shopping Center be reserved? Answer - A ticket validation system would be the most workable and the ticket could be validated by the merchant. If the car is parked for a longer period a ticket would be issued. 25. George Knox - Why does the Shopping Center need to be in the middle of the parking area? It would seem that you have two parking problems, particularly, if merchants limit this space. Answer - Actually there will be more parking and none will be eliminated until there is a replacement. There will be a limit of two (2) hours. b#* Page 6 - Master Plan Hearing - October 16, 1967 26. Byron Brown - The Parking Areas are so much less than the beds, it would seem that we don't have enough parking. storied. Answer - Structural parking does not show and would be multi- 27. Who is going to come up with the money for the structure? Answer - This could possibly be a requirement of the sale of the site. The Developer could consider it as expense, and expect a limited profit. The space could be rented commercially or the Town could build this with a Revenue Bond issue; could be repaid through a higher tax rate or metered parking meters. 28. Charles Gersbach - Has there been any thought given to keeping the traffic north of Gore Creek and transporting the guests from the parking areas to the various lodges? It would eliminate the traffic that you have now. Answer - There are too many things that have to be served. The Chairman of the Planning Commission mentioned that traffic control will probably be discussed at a Meeting of the Board of Trustees. The Chief of Police, Ted Holmes, would give the presentation. 29. Charles Gersbach - What is the present situation on the Annholz Property. Answer - There are a number of areas belonging to private interests that have been indicated in white on the Master Plan, since we have not contacted the owners to know their plans for development. This will be the next step to consider all of the surrounding areas. Chairman Froehlich closed the Meeting with the comment that the Planning Commission and the Board of Trustees appreciated the excellent attendance and interest that was shown. If anyone has any questions, maps are avail- able in the Town Office and any one of the members of the Board of Trustees or the Planning Commission would be happy to answer any questions that anyone might have. The Meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m. • V