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MINUTES OF THE MFFTING
VAIL BOARD OF TRUSTEES
SEPTEMBER :s, 13,a
Ttid Meeting was called to order by Mayor Dobson at 7:35 p. in.
in the Confereace Room at Manor Vail on September 6, 13;;<3.
ROLL CALL: Roll call found the following members present:
Mayor John Dobson
Trustee C. E. Kindel
Trustee Richard Bailey
Trustee John Donovan
Trustee John Kaemmer
Trustee Joseph Langmaid
Trustee Thomas Steinberg
Others present: Messrs. Blake Lynch, Terry Minger,
Larry Robinson, and Charles Byn3m.
• I. Minutes of the Previous Meetinq. The Trustees read and
unanimously approved the minutes of the previous meeting.
II. Financial Reports. Treasurer's Reports and Vouchers
were reviewed and unanimously approved for the month of
July. It was noted that sales tax receipts at the end of June
were $. , 372 as compared. with $6, 711 last year at the same
period.
III. Considerptio►z o _Street Va_cation_Proposal. In reviewing
the status of the Harison Ranch Road vacation proposal, Blake
Lynch noted that the proposal had been approved by the Planning
Commission and that the lodge owners involved were jointly
willing to assume the cost of improvements necessary to render
the road suitable !or parkin;;. Larry Robinson summarized
Draft Ordinance 10, Series of 13v3, setting forth the details
of the Hanson Ranch Road vacation betwee.i Gore Creek Road
aad Gore Creek Drive. Blake Lynch polled the Board.
40 VOTE: To adopt and approve Ordinance 10, Series
of 1363, An Ordinance Vacating a Public Right -of -Way
Known as Hanson Ranch Road Lying Betweea Gore
Creek Road and Gore Creek Drive in thv Town of
Vail and Setting Forth Details in Relation Thereto.
Mayor Dobson YES
Trustee Kindel YES
Trustee Kaemmer YES
Trustee Steinberg YES
Trustee Langmaid YES
Trustee Donovan YES
Trustee Bailey YES
Ordinance No. 10 will be approved and enacted as
written.
IV. Main Parking Lot and Area North of Covered Brid.ae.
Mayor Dobson reviewed the status of the main parking area
north of the Covered. Bridge; Vail Associates plans to lease
this area to the Town for a nominal fee. During a preliminary
discussion regarding this area, Vail Associates suggested
that a 10-year lease to the Town would be appropriate; however,
the Town feels that a longer term lease --with a renewal clause--
would. be more desirable. Mayor Dobson feels that a mutually
agreeable arrangement will be made in the near future. The
possibility of engaging Chris Moritz, Landscaping Architect,
• to create a suitable village entrance area on the north side of
the Covered Bridge was considered. Although we have
received a cost estimate from him, acquisition of his ser-
vices is, of course, contingent upon receipt of a definitive
statement from Vail Associates and approval of the landscaped
entrance concept. Blake Lynch queried the Board as to their
thoughts on what should be done with the area in question --
should it be preserved as is for short-term parking, or
should there be a formal entrance area with a ld ading loop?
Blake noted that Gaynor Miller and Pieter Cramerus, owners
of the property adjacent to this area, are interested, in main-
taining uniformity of design in this area and in sharing the cost
for same. Blake felt that this is a significant entrance into
the village core, and that we should approve the general con-
cept at this time. Trustee Bwiley offered that, if it were a
short-term parking area, enforcement would be a definite
problem. He suggested a 30-minute maximum. Trustee
Donovan suggested short-term parking be provided in the
large parking area on the north side of East Meadow Drive,
and that the area near the Covered Bridge be totally land- 164 4�p
scaped with a loop for loading and unloading only. Trustee *hm feel uor� m
Kindel suggested that the businesses on�rid.ge Street should��"�e.�Qd EIhIi4j_
be queried before any decision is made. The Board agreed
that parking facilities should be of secondary AFA for the PASt`"
tract north of the Covered. Bridge and south of the road.
A brief discussion ensued at this time regarding the feasibil-
ity of parallel parking on Gore Creek Drive if it becomes a
one-way street this winter. Mayor Dobson asked that the
Police Department, the Planning Commission, and Blake Lynch
meet and present their alternate plans for this possible addi-
tional parking area at the next Trustees' Meeting to be held
on September 22.
V. B, s Transtportation. Mayor Dobson briefly reviewed the
meetings held. with Vail Associates, the Town, and San Juan
Tours, Inc. , for the purpose of considering shuttle service
• between Lion's Head. and Vail Village. This item aroused a
great deal of disc,ssion, with Massrs. Simon nd Parker of
Vail Associates participating from the audience. It is
generally recognized that shuttle service is imperative during
peak hours--:i:00 a. m. to 10:00 a. m. and 3:00 p. m. to 5:00 p. rn.
However, there also seems to be a very definite need. for
service after d:JO p. m. --until possibly midnight --for people
parked. at Lions Hoad who have been dining, etc., in Vail
Village after ski hours. It was also suggested. that between
10:00 a. m. and 3:00 p, m. a Vail Village shuttle service would
be very popular with shoppers and lodge -to -lodge comuters.
Of major consideration at this point is wno should pay for this
bus service --the 'Town and./or Vail Associates; and if the cost
is to be shared --on what basis. Also discussed was the q.{es-
tion of whether or not the bus traveler should pay a nominal
fee --during express hours and for in -town shuttle service,
or for shuttle service only. Bob Parker pointed out that there
will be no businesses to speak of at Lion's Head for quite a
while; the business potential is in the village, and it is there-
fore in the interest of the business owners to consider the trans-
portation of the skier who parks at Lion's Head to get him
back there. Trustee Kindel said that if we are e.icouraging
skiers to park at Lion's Head, we can hardly charge them to
sh,!ttle them back from the village after express hours. It
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was generally agreed that even token payment would be unwise
in consideration of VaL's commercial. image. In any case,
with the figures presently at hand it doesn't appear that it
• would be profitable unless the individual fee were exhorbitant.
Trustee Donovan noted that the service should be free and
that he t1a:ght Vail .Associates should assume the cost for the
09 -70 season, by purchasing the buses and perhaps leasing
them to the Town. The buses might then be purcl-ia,sed by the
Town for the next and s.:bsequent seasons; or the Town could
b,y the buses and lease them to Vail Associates. Clay Simon
stated. that short -stop service could be offered from 10:00 a. m.
to 3:00 p, m., and after 5:0) p. m. , if we want to o fer this
service. He outlined the fo .tr main stops during express hours:
1) Golden P, ak; 2) Covered Bridge; 3) VVI/Holiday; and 4) Lion's
H,;ad. Round trip would take about 1/2 hour. Trustee Langmaid
suggested that recozmmeidations .for San Tuan's services be
obtained from Aspen and. Snowmass--both of which have utilized
their services. Citizen Weibel suggested that a r-n to Mint,,,rn
twice daily would. free approximately 60 parking spaces in the
Lion's Head and Vail Village areas. It was remarked that such
service to Minturn couldn't be free. Mayor Dobson reiterated
• the basic question --what is the community's obligation separate
from Vail Associates' responsibility? Vail Associates feel
their basic commitment is to shuttle skiers at peak hours; we
have the problem of people who want to spend. money in Vail
Village from 10:00 a. m. to 3:00 p, m. and after the express
hours. The Mayor polled the Trustees for their views on
sharing the cost of providing bas service. Trustee Kaemmer
said that we should share the cost; Trustee Kindel said we
should share the cost on an open-end basis --the cost would be
absorbed by sales tax; Trustee Bailey thought we should share
the expense this winter on an experimental basis; Trustee
Steinberg agrees with Trustee Bailey and. believes the service
should be free; Trustee Langmaid agrees to shared cost and
thinks hours should be extended beyond peak periods; Trustee
Donovan agrees with Trustee Kindel. Blake Lynch will meet
with Clay Simon and work out a firm service schedule and cost_,
sharing breakdown for presentation to the Board at its next
meeting on September 22. Blake noted that December 15 is the
c.srrent projected commenceme- t date for this service. Bob
Parker added that the express b.:s rom Denver to Vail doesolt
begin service , atil December 10; so except for a brief shake-
down period, as suggested. b Trustee Kindel, the service
needn't start any earlier.
VI. Reports. Blake Lynch reviewed the following:
A. Subdivision Regulations: Vail A.�sociates will meet
this week and. the Plannin Commission will meet Monday,
September 16, to disc_:ss this s bject.
B. CoaveiAioa Center: Blake reviewed Jim Cunningham's
recent letter to the Town outlining the various services
and businesses w _dch would appropriately be included in
a civic complex. Mr. Cunningham proposes the area west
of the Wedel Ian as most suitable for such a complex.
C. Golf Clubhouse: Blake noted that the Recreation Dis-
trict is going to construct a new golf clubhouse. It is
hoped that construction will commence in October and that
it will be finished for next playing season.
D. New Fire Chief: Francis Bush --formerly Fire Chief
of Cheyenne, Wyoming, came on board. September 1 as
Vail's new Fire Chief.
E. Loudspeakers: Acting Chief K wth has d.istribated
applications for permission to operate outside loudspeakers.
Applications will appear before the Board of Trustees for
. approval/disapproval.
F. Street Numbering: Still under consideration; conclu-
sions forthcoming.
G. Winter Construction: It was suggested that Larry
Robinson present the Board with an opinion on the lgeal
aspects of winter construction: Trustee Donovan suggested
it be done as soon as possible.
VIL Mayor and Trustees:
A. Trustee Kindel:
1. Streetlights near residences should be altered So
that they don't create a nocturnal nuisance. One home-
owner has painted "his side" of a streetlight black.
Trustee Kindel suggests we might consider developing
a policy on this.
2. Trustee Kindel queried as to the status of local
TV reception. Mayor Dobson responded that, upon
advice from Cable TV, reception should. be improved
very shortly. Until last week Cable TV hadn't received
approval from the BLM to build the road to their
transmitter site. Mayor Dobson was assured that a
Glenwood Springs contractor would have the road built
within three weeks, and that a pre-fab building to
house the transmitter would be completed in the two
or three subsequent weeks; thus making a total of five
or six weeks before improved .reception can be expected.
3. Rosidents of Vail Trails East and West have
expressed a desire to have their streets made one way
heading west to preclude currently heavy traffic.
4. Trustee Kindel noted that he personally had seen
cars repeatedly parked in front of Gorsuch/Post Office
for longer than la minutes, as well as hearing reports
of same from other local citizens. Chief Knuth will
make a special effort to see that this parking privilege
is no longer abused.
5. The trash pickup situation was discussed. As this
is a recurring complaint, Blake Lynch outlined the
three basic systems we could utilize for trash pickup:
a) free enterprise (the present system); b) a Town -
regulated system; and 3) a Town"operated system.
It was concluded that Mr. Duran should. be advised
of the widespread dissatisfaction with his service and.
that constructive guidance should be offered., as well
as an outline of the standards to be met for the service
he renders.
B. Trustee Bailey inquired as to the status of the bridge
• on the west end of Plat 5B. The Town is going to pave the
bridge and build the approach road. We are presently
acquiring excavation fill --at no cost --to level off this area.
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C. Truetee Steinberg reported that the Recreation Dis-
t rict had illegally dug into Gore Creek to provide fill
for the golf course and had therefore polluted the Creek.
He stated that although Trout Unlimited was aware of it,
they didn't press the issue this time --but that they would
if any similar actions occurred in the future.
VIII. Citizen Particioation.
A. So Staufer stated that clients had. checked out of local
hotels on Bridge Street due to noise created by outside
loudspeakers at the Red. Lion Inn, Bridge Street hotel
operators have signed a petition against outside music,
according to To. He stated that he thought neighbors of
a loudspeaker applicant should. be allowed to express
their opinion before a permit is granted.
B. Editor Knox mentioned that there are several trash
accumulations in town that should be cleared --namely, the
one behind. the Blue Cow on Vail Associates' land. Mayor
Dobson asked Blake Lynch to write letters requesting those
responsible to correct the situation. Clay Simon said that
Vail Associates would look into the problem behind the
Blue Cow.
C. Mr. Knox also brought up the traffic nuisance prob-
lem created by service trucks which reknain parked in
loading zones after completion of their deliveries for
purposes other than business. Discussion ensued regarding
the possibility of an ordinance limiting deliveries to certain
times of day. Bob Parker thought this would be feasible
in a resort community like Vail. Jo Staufer brought up
the fact that most of the companies serving Vail have a
delivery radius of 500 miles and that such a time restriction
would be unreasonable with winter weather and traffic
conditions. While on the subject of traffic nuisance, motor-
cycle noise was briefly discussed. Some cities prohibit
motorcycle traffic within given downtown areas; it was
suggested that this might be appropriate for Vail. Per
Bob Parker's suggestion, it was decided to present a
reasonable circulation control plan for the core area to
a subsequent Trustees' meeting, considering views of
the Planning Commission, citizens and the Police
Department.
D. Bob Parker asked what plans were forthcoming for
repair of our "street moguls" and. street c,As. Street
cuts are being filled as they occur; and it is planned to
experiment with rolling the moguls.
E. It was suggested that, due to the traffic problem they
are currently creating near Riva Ridge Chalets, Staider
and Sons complete the parking ramp at the Lodge at Vail
as soon as possible. Mr. Bynum will urge said completion.
With no further business to be discussed, the meeting was
adjourned at 10:15 p. m.
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MINUTES OF THE MEETING
TOWN OF VAIL JOINT BOARDS
SEPTEMBER 8, 1969
Blake Lynch called the meeting to order at 2:15 p. m.
ROLL CALL: Roll call found the following members present:
Mayor John Dobson
Trustee T. I. Steinberg
Trustee Joseph Langmaid
Trustee C. E. Kindel
Director Francis Brofos
Director Don Almond
Director Josef Staufer
Director C,3sare Moretti
Absent: Trustee Richard Bailey
Trustee John Kaemmer
Trustee John Donovan
Director Gerry White
Director Rodney Slifer
Director Robert Parker
Director Larry Burdick
Director Mitch Hoyt
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Also present: Messrs. Lynch, Minger, and Bernstein.
Al Bridges of Vail Assoc.
I. Messrs. Churchill and May of the Denver Regional Post Office
Department joined the Board members to stress the urgent situa-
tion presently confronting them regarding their location. The
attorney, Mr. May, stated that although the Government is immune
to eviction, they did not wish to press the issue of remaining in
their present location --the P. 0. space has been promised by Mr.
McBride to Gorsuch Ltd. for purposes of expanding their sport
shop. If a formal contract exists between Gorsuch and McBride,
the P. 0. Department would be legally liable for breakage of the
contract. Mr. May added that they could exercise their right to
condemn the space, but they are definitely opposed to such an
action. If no suitable space is found, they might have to abandon
mail service to Vail. At the present time the P.O. is paying $3. 50
per sq ft for their space, per Mr. Churchill. Director Staufer
asked him if he was willing to pay the going Vail rental rate for
space, and Mr. Churchill replied in the affirmative. Trustee
Kindel suggested that a temporary building might be erected behind
the Blue Cow in the parking area; this space belongs to Vail Asso-
ciates. Mr. Bridges of Vail Assoc. inquired as to how long after
October 31 (expiration of current lease) the P. 0. could stay in their
present location without seriously jeopardizing the plans of Gorsuch.
Mr. May replied that they wouldn't wish to stay any longer than
30 days after the expiration --December 1. Mr. Bridges suggested
the space east of the access road at the Crossroads and west of the
clinic as possible locations for a temporary building. Mr. Churchill
suggested that they would be happy to lease or rent space provided
by erection of a temporary structure owned and built by a local
concern. It was generally agreed that such a temporary building
would be of the metal Butler variety. Regarding the proposed
municipal complex, in which the P. O. would have its own site and
separate building, Mr. Churchill stated that as, soon as the land is
available, the P. 0. could begin construction almost immediately
due to Federal funds authorized for this purpose. Being as all
available locations for a temporary structure are owned by Vail
Associates, Mayor Dobson suggested to Mr. Bridges that Vail
Associates submit three or more sites to the P. 0. Department for
their consideration/approval and subsequent approval by the Trustees.
A site should. be firmly established within 15 to 20 days.
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II. 1970 Budget. Blake briefly reviewed his memorandum to the
Board regarding 1968-69 ice skating statistics and outlining the
projected revenues and expenses for the 69-70 season. He then
reviewed the specific cuts made in the supplementary request to
reduce the total from $148,150 to $114, 000. The VRA advertising
item was reduced by 50%v--to $7, 500. It was suggested that we
augment this figure from funds derived from sales tax exceeding
the budget revenue estimate. The Police request was decreased
from $8, 760 to $5, 200. Landscaping/Paving was cut from $48, 000
to $30, 000. Sign replacement was cut from $2, 500 to $2, 000;
Recreation/Golf was cut from $22, 890 to $13,140; Recreation/Tennis
was cut completely ($1, 500). The Fire Department request was cut
5076--to $4, 000. The base budget is generally approved; mill levies
for Town and Districts will be certified before October 16.
III. Terry Minger approached. the Board regarding expenditure of
$1., 000 to $1, 500 to have a snow plow mounted on our dump truck.
The Board of Trustees unanimously approved the expenditure of
$1, 000 for the plow; the additional to be authorized for snow tires
for the vehicle at a later date.
10 With no further business to be discussed, the meeting adjourned
at 4:15 p. m.
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