HomeMy WebLinkAbout1969-09-22 Town Council MinutesMINUTES OF THE METTING
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_ Prior to the Town meeting, the Poard of Trustees convened as the
local Liquor Hearing Paard to establish a hearing, dhte for the
following applications:
1. Richard Evancho: application for weer and wine license for
"Toph's Downstairs", to be located in the La, ier Arcade
Building.
?. James Hinson: application for hotel/restaurant license for the
"Red Ram", to be located in the Sitzinark.
Hearings for both the aforementioned applicants will be held at 2:00 p. rr.
on November 10, 1Q69, in the Conference Roorc: at Manor Vail.
T''re Meeting was called to -)rder by Mayor T`^bson at 7:40 p. m.
,�CLL CALL: TZ-11 call found the following members present:
N.Lyor John Dobson
Trustee Joseph Langmaid
Trustee C. F. Kindel
Trustee Thomas I. "teinberg
Trustee John Donovan
Trustee John Kzernmer
Trustee Richard P_ a.iley
Others present: Yiessrs. F. Flake I.-vnch, Terrell J. M'.nger,
Cbarles Pynurr, Gary Knuth, Larry Robinson.
I. Minutes of ?revious Meeting.
t"ith the following exception, the Minutes of the Meeting held
September 8th were unanimously approved. (In line 2.7 of page 2,
the words "secondary area" will be changed to read "secondary
use. " On line 24 of page 2, the sentence beginning "Trustee Kindel"
will read: "Trustee K'.ndel suggested that the businesses on bridge
Street should be queried before any decision is made --he feels that the
-10 area just north of the Covered Pridge should be a prirr•ary parking
area.!'
II. Gulf Oil ?rotest
Mayor Dobson stated that were advised by Gulf Cil this afternoon of
their intent not to make a formal protest regarding the erection of
their con,mercial sign. T'-,ey have agreed to discuss the matter with
the "ign Committee to come to a mutually agreeable arrangerrent at
a meeting on'.' ednesday, Cepterrber Z4, at 1:"0 p.rr.
III, 'Presentation of Core rea Traffic Circulation Plan for 77inter,
Acting Chief •<nuth presented the proposed core area traffic circulation
plan approved by the Planning Commission. After some discussion
two changes were made to the plan --these were to (t) make Hanson
Ranch R"ad one way going, west from Gore Creek Road to the inter-
section near the Chili Fowl (per Bob Clark's presentation to the
Trustees), and (7) leave 1.7 illow R^ad one way going west. The
Circulation Plan is attached hereto as F'xhibit A. Mayor Dobson
made a inotion to vote on approval of the plan; Trustee Langmaid
seconded the rn.otion.
V(`TE: Approve Circulation Plan with two aforementioned exceptions.
N.'.ayor Dobson YE^
Trustee Langmaid YES
16 Trustee Vindel YES
Trustee D,)novan YES
Trustee Steinberg YES
Trustee Kaemmer YES
Trustee T'ailey YES
New 'Traffic Circulation flan will go into effect as soon as possible.
17'hile on the discussion of winter traffic, 'Trustee T indel suggested
that the corners of HtnsonRt*Inch Road near the Tivoli be widened to
better accommodate vehicles turning into the Road. Citizen Robert
Parker suggested that a stop sign be erected near the Mill Creek
C,)urt Building; on Gore Greek Drive to preclude any collisions
between vehicles not able to stop as they descend the hill north of
Gore Creek Drive and those proceeding east on Gore Creek Drive.
C' ief r'nuth will submit the new plan to the V--il Trail for pub=
lication in several successive issues to insure that all V-.il citizens
are apprised of changes.
IV. Unit 1 Sign Oresentation.
Niessrs. Duane V' iens and Chuck r..nford of Unit 1 presented a group
of slides depicting mockups of proposed individual directory/telephone/
trash units; facsimiles of non -regulatory traffic signs in comparison
to presently utili�.ed signs (their models showed the internationally
recogni_-:ed symbols --with the appropriate english explanations underneath);
various commercial signs with one basic geometric theme; and signs
color -coded to coincide with different areas of the village --all stressing
graphic continuity throughtout the Town. Trustee Kindel questioned
the legality of utilizing international symbols, but it was noted that
an appropriate english explanation appeared on the signs. Mr. Kindel
also mentioned that it would be illegal for the 'Town to erect any
directional signs for Local businesses.. -Blake Lynch noted that a letter
has been sent to Sim Cunningham --President of VRA asking them
to summarize their design standards for local commercial directional
signs. Mayor Robson pointed out that -the fabrication of standard signs
for Vail Village and Lion's Head should be a joint venture among
VRA, V Al Associates, and the Town. Unit l stated that an 18" x 18"
metal sign could be fabricated in lots of 10 for $5 or $6 each. Mr.
Parker said that Vail .Associates is asking Unit 1 to design signs for
use all over the mountain, for restaurants and restrooms, or by Vail
Associates --for parking areas, directional signs involving Vail
Associates facilities and information centers. All these things would
be on Vail Associates' property. Mr. Seibert asked Unit 1 to do a
preliminary investigation on street signs because of Vail Associates'
interest in stimulating thinking at the Town level, Mr. Parker suggested
that an outline be drawn up of the Town's needs. 331dke noted that
we should work with Unit 1 on establishing an hourly rate--wtth a
definite maximum --for designing parking signs, speed limit signs,
street signs and Town information signs. Ivir. Danford offered to
coarse up with a proposal and estimated cost- he could perhaps set the
project up in phases and give definite prices for each individual phase.
Unit l's proposal will be presented to the Trustees at the Joint Board
meeting on Friday, September 26, to consider the proposed 1970
Budget.
V. Peeliminary Presentation of 1970 Budget.
Blake Lynch reviewed the preliminary 1970 Rudget presentation. He
noted that there is $100, 000 available to be allocated among requests
made by the Districts and the Town. $25, 000 has been placed in con-
tingency for things which will occur next summer. $30, 000 was cut out of
the Recreation District request; $8, 000 capital outlay request was cut from
the Fire District; the extra Police vehicle was cut; and the Public
V"orks Director was -cut. There will be a joint Board meeting at 2,00
p.m. , on Friday, SP ptember 26, at the Holiday Inn, to discuss the
above. Next year, due to the Town's assessed valuation of $6, 500, 000,
each mill levied will be worth $6, 500--based on next year's con-
struction. That will be $1, 500 more per mill than this year with an
assessed valuation of $5, 000, 000.
VI. Consideration of Applications to Operate Loudspeakers.
Applications were introduced for the iced Lion Inn, the Clock Tower
Inn, and Mountain Music. dome discussion ensued regarding outside
music --Mr. Parker said that it is reasonable to assume that some
citizens turn in early, in which case outside music past a certain hour
might be very undesirable; this refers to applicants who might want
to have music later than 5:00 p.m. Trustee Kindel asked if one
infraction of the permit was sufficient to revoke it. Trustee Bailey
agreed that an infraction clause is necessary in the permit. Citizen
Bob Clark stated that he didn't think background music should be used
for advertising purposes. Trustee Steinberg agreed and added that
background music shouldn't be audible beyond the premises of the
establishment playing it. Editor Xnox suggested that permits be given
only where instrumental background music would be involved --vocals
being undesirable. Trustee Findel asked if such permit could be revoked
by the Trustees without showing good cause. BlAke Lynch stressed
that there should be a uniform cutoff time each night to preclude
enforcement confusion. Trustee Langmaid brought out that if out-
side music were heard in winter, it would be strictly for advertising
purposes as the winter weather prohibits outside dining. Trustee
Langmaid said that he was not in favor of any outside music, and that
we should either allow it or not allow it, without minutely qualifying
who can and cannot have permission, as it is very difficult to
dis-tinguish who should aril shouldn't be allowed. This will be taken into
further consideration -before any permits are issued.
VII. ARpointment of New Planning Commission Member.,
To be discus sed at next meeting.
VIII. Discussion of Need for Additional Recreation Programs and
Facilities.
To be discussed after further consideration by the Board.
IX. Discussion of the Regulation of Transient yellers.
Mayor Dobson reviewed the fact that we have no ordinance covering
transient selling --we should give some consideration to a "Green
River" ordinance. Attorney Robinson reported that the Colorado
Municipal League has provided us with a publication dealing spe-
cifically with this subject, and it was his thought that it would be
necessary to refine a system of licensing to regualte transient selling.
Vre need a more stringent means of licensing than we presently have.
Theme should be a time gap to afford the Town administration the
opportunity to investigate individual or company that is applying;
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i, e. , five days after application. Blake and Larry are to draft an
ordinance excluding transient selling nn public property in the
business areas. Itwas deeided that such an ordinance should
include door-to-door salesmen, who could continue their sales
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establishing appointments.
X. Discussion of Municipal League Requests.
A. Regarding Public Service Rate Increase, Blake queried the Board
about committing $50 with which to use the Colorado Municipal League
as a vehicle to participate in proceedings before the PUC to determine
whether the proposed rates should be approved. Trustee Langmaid
made a motion to commit the $50 for representation. Trustee
Steinberg seconded the motion.
VCTE: Commit $50 to Colorado Municipal League to participate
as representative before PUG.
Mayor Dobson YES
Trustee Langmaid YEA
Trustee Kindel ABSTAIN
Trustee Steinberg YES
Trustee Bailey YES
Trustee Donovan YES
Trustee Kaemmer YES
$50 is committed to Colorado Municipal League for above purpose.
B. Blake reviewed Colorado Municipal League memorandum. re Doing
Away with Small Town :)treet Departments, with the counties assuming
their functions. Trustees will consider and submit their recornmenda-
tions to Blake.
XI. Town Attorney Reports.
A. Means of Restricting Delivery Vehicles: Trustees can adopt any
reasonable regulations they feel appropriate in this regard --there are
no, legal obsta-cles.
B. Prohibiting Motorcycles in Core Area: If we prohibit motor-
cycles from specific areas, we must have a legitimate purpose in
mind-- such as public welfare and safety; and we should deal with
noise as such.
C. Winter Construction: If aesthetic considerations are the basic
reason for desiring such an ordinance, it goes somewhat beyond
the authority of a legislative body; however, if it were for the
Welfare and safety of the publip, it would hold up. The thought
was brought up that some projects which are started in spring or
summer may extend well into the winter. Construction cannot
be curtailed in only one part of the community --we cannot dis-
criminate without sound reasons.
Discussion on Attorney'9 Reports: Enforcement of delivery vehicle
schedule is definitely a manpower problem for the Police Department.
Mr. Parker suggested thwt we become more stringent in this area.
D/?ayor Dobson suggests that we send diplomatic letters o£ warning
of possible arrest if delivery vehicles do not comply with parking
regulations. Trustee Kindel suggested that we keep copies of such
letter available to hand out to delivery personnel and that their
supervisors be informed to call the Police Depairtment sub-
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Sequent to such a warning. We will see if Police personnel
situation is adequate enough to consider this. :Regarding motor-
cycles, it was consluded that further study was needed; in the
meantime the Police will attempt to enforce the noise ordinance.
Reference winter cnnstruction, Attorney Robinson stated that
it makes sense to say that construction cannot be commenced
after a certain date. If we can't completely stop construction, .
perhaps we could be more stringent on the areas in which con-
tractors can build because of the traffic problem it creates.
Mr. Bynum offered that if construction work is abandoned for
more than 120 days, the contractor is penalized by the requirement
to apply for another Building Permit in order to resume construction.
The Board would like to have the Town staffs recommendations as
soon as possible after staff has researched what other states and
towns within Colorado do about this. Trustee Steinberg brought up
the matter of hauling trash away from winter construction sites
after the snow falls.
XII. Reports.
Blake Lynch reviewed the following:
.A. Refuse Removal: Blake has sent a letter to Leo Duran; Mr. Duran
J)Ians to see us regarding his Rubish Removal business --he may be
working with a manager in the future to resolve his operational problems.
P. Bus Transportation: Final report is not available at this time. We
plan to meet with a Denver bus company to explore the possibilities of
leasing buses. Hopefully, at the next Trustee meeting we will have a
final report including all pertinent financing.
C. July Sales Tax Comparison: Blake reported that July 1969 sales
tax is $11, 863 as compared to $8, 000 for July of last year.
D. Subdivision Regulations: It is hoped that these regulations will be
revised and ready for adoption at the next meeting of the Trustees.
E. Water and Sewer Bond Election- The Water & Sanitation District
will probably hold a bond election this fall. The public will be con-
tacted at the appropriate time.
'III. Mayor and Trustees.
No items.
XIV. Citizen Participation.
Bob Parker queried the Trustees and audience as to their feelings about
sonic booms created by the supersonic transport currently being devel-
oped. He stated that jets are currently flying over Vail once every
three minutes, but because they are usually in a land take off pattern, their
speed is not sufficient to create a boom. However, commercial SST's
will be flying non-stop from coast to coast at a very high rate of speed
which will create a boom. Mr. Parker feels that this is_very bad for
our business. He suggests expressing our opinion to President Nixon,
who is due to approve/disapprove the continuation of a Government
subsidy for SST development tomorrow. V:Tith the exception of Trustee
Bailey who abstained, the 'Trustees voted unanimously to send the
following telegram to President Nixon-
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"To President Richard M. Nixon/Whitt House/Washington D. C. /
Supessonic jets on corrunercial schedules over Rockies would
irreparsb4y damage tourist industry and defile many beautiful
and historic western landmarks. Say no to sonic booms over
46 continental U.S. /Respectfully/Board of Trustees/Town of Vail,
Colorado."
Vith no further business to be discussed, the meeting adjourned at
11:05 P. M.
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