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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1969-10-20 Town Council MinutesMINUTES OF THE MEETING VAIL ASSOCIATES/TOWN OF VAIL OCTOBER 20, 1969 The Meeting was called to order by Mr. Seibert at 12:30 p.m. , in closed luncheon session at the Holiday Inn. ROLL CALL: Roll call found the following members present: Vail Associates, Inc. Peter Seibert Clay Simon Robert Parker e Mitch Hoyt Town of Vail (Trustees) Joseph Langmaid Richard Bailey Mayor John Dobson (Planning Commission) Mayor John Dobson Gerry White Dave Gorsuch Otlfbrs present: F. Make Lynch Terrell J. Minger Larry Robinson Rodney Slifer 1. Mr. Seibert began the discussion on the subject af' dedication of open ground. He stated that Vail Associates, Inc. couldn't make a flat state- ment that they wouldn't dedicate any open space. He stressed thadx Vail is a resort area --not a typical town, and that they are trying to sell an attractive village. There are, some areas they definitely may not want to dedicate --if they remain in private hands, the control aspect of the property will be greatly simplified. Mr. Seibert said that local ordinances did not provide as strong a control as private ownership does. He noted that the park area west of the Vorlaufer has been dedicated and most probably won't become a problem due to its relative seclusion. The public park in Aspen was mentioned as an example of what could happen in Vail if large open spaces were available to the public. Although Dave Gorsuch agreed that the park had become a hippie haven, he advocated establishment of a playing field area where local children could participate in soccer, football, etc. Mr. Seibert replied that there is room for a soccer field adjacent to the golf course, as well as an additional tennis court. Bob Parker noted that Denver has an ordinance which closes public parks at night to prohibit camping. He suggested that we might enact a more stringent ordinance along these lines. Discussion followed regarding the Town leasing land for public use owned by Vail Associates, Inc. Attorney Robinson stated that, although the Town has the right to condemn any land we lease, current property values prohibit doing so. Mr. Parker posed the question of who wn uld have legal and administrative control over land under lease. Mr. Robinson stated that specific purpose clauses must be written into the land lease agreement. Mr. Seibert said that when Vail Associates, Inc. and the Town reach a general consensus we can work out arrangements for individual spaces tract by trast. Mayor Dobson stated that we couldn't spend taxpayers' money on land belonging to Vail Associates, Inc. ; he added that the Gore Creek tract should be public land and that laws would have to be enacted to keep undesirables out. It was suggested that campers and trailers be prohibited from the major parking areas. Clay Simon reported that Vail Assoicates, Inc. lawyers are currently drawing up a lease for the main parking lot. Dedication of the park adjacent to the Vorlaufer and the area just north of the Covered Bridge has been discussed and their surveyors are currently obtaining legal descriptions for these areas. Their dedication has come before the Executive Committee of Vail Assoicates, Inc. and has been approved. Returning to the subject of lease of the main parking area, F. Blake lE;c queried what the rental arrangement would be and Clay Simon replied that something nominal --like $1. 00 or $.10. 00--would be applicable. Clay also stated that there was to be no commercial use made of the area just north of the Covered Bridge --a bus pulloff will be available. There was some discussion regarding re- tention of air rights above the main parking lot by Vail Associates, Inc. for possible future commerical use. If they developed a structure over the parking area, they would have to insure the same number of surface spaces plus an adequate number for the commercial concerns involved. Clay Simon stressed that neither Vail Associates, Inc. nor the Town could develop commercially without mutual agreement. In summary, the Town will go ahead with plans for landscaping the area just north of the Covered Bridge, and for assuming management of the main parking area. We will continue to meet with Vail Associates, Inc. to reach agreement on specific open spaces and the Creek tract. II. Clay Simon reviewed the relocation of the Fbst Office . It will be temporarily (for one year) located on the lot west of the planned clinic addition. He brought out that this location might be in conflict with the zoning ordinance --this area is a multiple family zone. Blake has already asked Attorney Brbwsx to give us an answer re the extent to which we must comply with the zoning ordinance in this case. We should have this sometime tomorrow. The structure will kneed approval of the Architectural Control Committee. 0 Ill. George Beardsley presented a 10-year projection for the local area, which is attached as Exhibit A. IV. Lion's Head Master Plan reviewed by George Beardsley. Sixty-two percent of the total 74 acres will be devoted to public use (public buildings-18%, 10 acres; major roads-10016, 5.7 acres; public parking, surface-14%, 8.2 acres; open recreation- 14. 8%, S.7 acres). Municipal complex is proposed for the area south of I-70 and north of the frontage road east of the Westwind. The Lion's Head Master Plan will be legally reocrded and enforced to prohibit excessive numbers of structures being built in the area. Under Phased, Vail Associates, Inc. plans to construct a dense plaza area next summer --Phase II, in subsequent years, will see construction branching out from this main plaza area. Bob Parker introduced the problem of parking in the new area --and who will administer reame. Mr. Beardsley replied that the Town and Vail Associates, Inc. would have to come to some mutual agreement. It was disclosed by Mr. Simon that Vail Associates, Inc. is leasing (roughly on an 80-20 basis) rather than selling the land in the new area. Mr. Beardsley stated that an Owners' Association will be established at Lion's Head. To be a member, an owner must agree to financially support maintenance of public spaces and common ad- ministrative costs of the area. The Association would also amortize capital improvements and landscaping. Gerry White queried Beardsley about the construction of structured parking by several different establishments sharing a common parking area. George replied that the parking facility could be built by one owner and leased to others, or it could be on a shared cost basis; but, in any case, the total structure would have to be completed at once. Mr. Parker noted that the Owners' Association must be formed before any more land is sold or leased, and that the Town should be apprised of the specific functionsrofahe association, which will be a sort of government within a government. Mr. Parker cited the jurisdiction problems inherent in the Snowmass situation, and stressed the importance of writing this as well as other pertinent aspects into the agreement with the Owners. The functions of the Town and the Association must be clear to all concerned. Clay Simon noted that there may not be nne large association, but several small ones. In the Lion's Head Master Plan, Vail Associates, Inc. has required _ adequate parking for the commercial area. The existing zoning regulations do not require parkieag in the commercial core. After some discussion on the Lion's Head zoning situation, it was decided that Vail Associates, Inc. should submit zoning recommendations to the Planning Commission as soon as possible. It will be necessary to zone this area temporarily with existing zones by Novvmber 15 49'69.. • With no further business to discuss, the Meeting was adjourned at 3.05 p.m. • -3- 0