HomeMy WebLinkAbout1969-10-20 Town Council MinutesMINUTES OF THE MEETING
VAIL ASSOCIATES/TOWN OF VAIL
OCTOBER 20, 1969
The Meeting was called to order by Mr. Seibert at 12:30 p.m. , in
closed luncheon session at the Holiday Inn.
ROLL CALL: Roll call found the following members present:
Vail Associates, Inc.
Peter Seibert
Clay Simon
Robert Parker
e Mitch Hoyt
Town of Vail
(Trustees)
Joseph Langmaid
Richard Bailey
Mayor John Dobson
(Planning Commission)
Mayor John Dobson
Gerry White
Dave Gorsuch
Otlfbrs present: F. Make Lynch
Terrell J. Minger
Larry Robinson
Rodney Slifer
1. Mr. Seibert began the discussion on the subject af' dedication of open
ground. He stated that Vail Associates, Inc. couldn't make a flat state-
ment that they wouldn't dedicate any open space. He stressed thadx Vail
is a resort area --not a typical town, and that they are trying to sell an
attractive village. There are, some areas they definitely may not want
to dedicate --if they remain in private hands, the control aspect of the
property will be greatly simplified. Mr. Seibert said that local ordinances
did not provide as strong a control as private ownership does. He noted
that the park area west of the Vorlaufer has been dedicated and most
probably won't become a problem due to its relative seclusion. The
public park in Aspen was mentioned as an example of what could
happen in Vail if large open spaces were available to the public.
Although Dave Gorsuch agreed that the park had become a hippie
haven, he advocated establishment of a playing field area where local
children could participate in soccer, football, etc. Mr. Seibert
replied that there is room for a soccer field adjacent to the golf
course, as well as an additional tennis court. Bob Parker noted that
Denver has an ordinance which closes public parks at night to prohibit
camping. He suggested that we might enact a more stringent ordinance
along these lines. Discussion followed regarding the Town leasing land for
public use owned by Vail Associates, Inc. Attorney Robinson stated
that, although the Town has the right to condemn any land we lease,
current property values prohibit doing so. Mr. Parker posed the
question of who wn uld have legal and administrative control over land
under lease. Mr. Robinson stated that specific purpose clauses must be
written into the land lease agreement. Mr. Seibert said that when Vail
Associates, Inc. and the Town reach a general consensus we can work out
arrangements for individual spaces tract by trast. Mayor Dobson
stated that we couldn't spend taxpayers' money on land belonging to
Vail Associates, Inc. ; he added that the Gore Creek tract should be
public land and that laws would have to be enacted to keep undesirables
out. It was suggested that campers and trailers be prohibited from the
major parking areas. Clay Simon reported that Vail Assoicates, Inc.
lawyers are currently drawing up a lease for the main parking lot.
Dedication of the park adjacent to the Vorlaufer and the area just
north of the Covered Bridge has been discussed and their surveyors
are currently obtaining legal descriptions for these areas. Their
dedication has come before the Executive Committee of Vail Assoicates,
Inc. and has been approved. Returning to the subject of lease of the
main parking area, F. Blake lE;c queried what the rental arrangement
would be and Clay Simon replied that something nominal --like $1. 00 or
$.10. 00--would be applicable. Clay also stated that there was to be no
commercial use made of the area just north of the Covered Bridge --a
bus pulloff will be available. There was some discussion regarding re-
tention of air rights above the main parking lot by Vail Associates, Inc.
for possible future commerical use. If they developed a structure over
the parking area, they would have to insure the same number of surface
spaces plus an adequate number for the commercial concerns involved.
Clay Simon stressed that neither Vail Associates, Inc. nor the Town
could develop commercially without mutual agreement. In summary,
the Town will go ahead with plans for landscaping the area just north
of the Covered Bridge, and for assuming management of the main
parking area. We will continue to meet with Vail Associates, Inc. to
reach agreement on specific open spaces and the Creek tract.
II. Clay Simon reviewed the relocation of the Fbst Office . It will be
temporarily (for one year) located on the lot west of the planned clinic
addition. He brought out that this location might be in conflict with the
zoning ordinance --this area is a multiple family zone. Blake has
already asked Attorney Brbwsx to give us an answer re the extent to
which we must comply with the zoning ordinance in this case. We
should have this sometime tomorrow. The structure will kneed approval
of the Architectural Control Committee.
0 Ill. George Beardsley presented a 10-year projection for the local
area, which is attached as Exhibit A.
IV. Lion's Head Master Plan reviewed by George Beardsley. Sixty-two
percent of the total 74 acres will be devoted to public use (public
buildings-18%, 10 acres; major roads-10016, 5.7 acres; public parking,
surface-14%, 8.2 acres; open recreation- 14. 8%, S.7 acres). Municipal
complex is proposed for the area south of I-70 and north of the
frontage road east of the Westwind. The Lion's Head Master Plan will
be legally reocrded and enforced to prohibit excessive numbers of
structures being built in the area. Under Phased, Vail Associates,
Inc. plans to construct a dense plaza area next summer --Phase II,
in subsequent years, will see construction branching out from this
main plaza area. Bob Parker introduced the problem of parking in
the new area --and who will administer reame. Mr. Beardsley replied
that the Town and Vail Associates, Inc. would have to come to some
mutual agreement. It was disclosed by Mr. Simon that Vail Associates,
Inc. is leasing (roughly on an 80-20 basis) rather than selling the land
in the new area. Mr. Beardsley stated that an Owners' Association will
be established at Lion's Head. To be a member, an owner must agree to
financially support maintenance of public spaces and common ad-
ministrative costs of the area. The Association would also amortize
capital improvements and landscaping. Gerry White queried Beardsley
about the construction of structured parking by several different
establishments sharing a common parking area. George replied that
the parking facility could be built by one owner and leased to others,
or it could be on a shared cost basis; but, in any case, the total
structure would have to be completed at once. Mr. Parker noted
that the Owners' Association must be formed before any more land
is sold or leased, and that the Town should be apprised of the
specific functionsrofahe association, which will be a sort of
government within a government. Mr. Parker cited the jurisdiction
problems inherent in the Snowmass situation, and stressed the
importance of writing this as well as other pertinent aspects into the
agreement with the Owners. The functions of the Town and the
Association must be clear to all concerned. Clay Simon noted that
there may not be nne large association, but several small ones.
In the Lion's Head Master Plan, Vail Associates, Inc. has required _
adequate parking for the commercial area. The existing zoning
regulations do not require parkieag in the commercial core. After some
discussion on the Lion's Head zoning situation, it was decided that
Vail Associates, Inc. should submit zoning recommendations to the
Planning Commission as soon as possible. It will be necessary to
zone this area temporarily with existing zones by Novvmber 15 49'69..
• With no further business to discuss, the Meeting was adjourned at
3.05 p.m.
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