HomeMy WebLinkAbout1970-06-22 Town Council Minutes` MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING
JUNE 22, 1970 HOLIDAY INN CONFERENCE ROOM
Meeting was brought to order by Mayor John Dobson at 7:45 p.m.
1. ROLL CALL: found the following members present:
Mayor John A. Dobson
Trustee Thomas Steinberg
Trustee John Donovan
Trustee Dick Bailey
Trustee Todd Anderson
Trustee Gerry White
Trustee Clay Freeman
Others present: Terrell J. Minger
Lorence Robinson
II. APPLICATION AND HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (MOUNTAIN
STATES TELEPHONE): Mayor Dobson turned the time over to Lorence
Robinson, Town Attorney, who inturn, introduced the people from
Mountain States Telephone --Robert Bacus, Attorney for Mountain
States Telephone; Mr. Larry Eaton; representative for Mountain
States and John Rogers, Architect from Denver. Mr. Eaton addressed
the Board and publib--Mfountain States desired to find a way to grow
with Vail; the present building only allows growth until 1973
whereas the new site allows ultimate growth and serviceability for
approximately 90,000 customers. It would require less than five
people to maintain the equipment building. In studying the use of
the old building, Mountain States were unable to resolve as to its
future use. Mr. Rogers, Architect, showed slides of the proposed
site, equipment (Micro wave horns), towers in relationship to Vail
LionsHead, site as seen from ski slopes, Forest Service slides
(trees in relation to other objects), floor plans, building section
in three phases, south elevation showing all three phases and hors,
sketch looking through the trees, concrete flume instead of grading
(leaving 1:he landscaping natural) and other relative slides to the
requested Conditional Use Permit. The slides were shown in rapid
succession due to the fact that the Board of Trustees had been at
a previous presentation. A cardboard model of the proposed building
was presented to the Board. Trustee White queried the use of
phase three. Mr. Eaton stated that it was a very distant addition
and would enable the company to service 45,000 additional customers.
Mr. Robinson stated that although there was no assurance that the
utimate building will be as presently viewed that it was apparent
that considerable pains had been taken not to distract from the
terrain. Mr. Rogers stated that construction was expected to start
April 21, 1971 with a completion date in November of 1971. Upon the
--- above presentation and facts, Mr. Robinson recommended that the
variance be granted. Trustee White moved with a second from
Trustee Steinberg to grant the Conditional Use Permit (entered here
as 'Exhibit A). The motion was unanimously approved by the Board.
VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES
Trustee Steinberg YES
Trustee Donovan YES
Trustee Bailey YES
Trustee Anderson YES
Trustee White YES
Trustee Freeman YES
III. CO"TSIDERATION OF SUMMER TRAFFIC PROGRAM: Mayor Dobson opened
the discussion by briefly reiterating the Ptarmigan Road, Vail Valley
Drive issue and how it would be considered in connection with the
total picture of Vail's summer traffic program. SFr. Merrill Hastings
felt the matter of the poll taken on the 'one way' traffic on
Ptarmigan Road and Vail Valley Drive should be considered as a
separate matter but the Mayor and the Board of Trustees felt that it
should be incorporated into the totaltraffic program as it had
been studied as such by Chief of Police, Gary Knuth. 14r. Hastings
presented to the Board the letter sent to the property owners of
the area in question and was read aloud by Mayor Dobson. Also
submitted were the ballots --total of 33 ballots sent, 24 replys
with 17 voting yes, 7 voting no and 9 abstaining.. The Board then
reviewed the letter sent by Trafton Bean, Planning Consultant from
Harman, O'Donnell & Henninger Associates Inc. (entered into the
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minutes as Exhibit B). This letter stongly opposed the "one way"
proposal .for Vail Valley Drive and Ptarmigan Road. Mayor Dobson
asked Chief Gary Knuth to present his Summer Traffic plan. Chief
Knuth proposed the following: Leave Forest Road one way summer and
winter as there is little off street parking and the road way very
narrow. Hansen Ranch Road was one way last year and had not worked
successfully as tourists unfamiliar with the area could not find
their way out. Two way traffic on Hansen Ranch Road would lessen
the traffic on Bridge Street. Ptarmigan Road and Vail Valley Drive
remain two way traffic --one way tends to increase traffic speed
because of no on -coming traffic. Traffic counts taken in the area
showed the highest count in a one half hour period to be 10 cars,
out of the 10 cars 4 or 5 were construction people working in the
area. It was suggested to errect Stop signs on Ptarmigan Road and
Vail Valley Drive. Golf Cart crossings would create a hazard to
the one way traffic. Solution to the speeding problem --radar
control in the area without the 'one way'. Chief Knuth confirmed
that there was a definite grade problem in the area in the winter
creating a hazard. He suggested having a patrolman at peak times
to direct traffic down Gore Creek Drive. Trustee White asked if
there be any objection to a Stop Sign on Bridge Street --no objec�
tion from Chief Knuth. Trustee Steinberg suggested Golf Crossin
signs also. Trustee Bailey suggested having more policingg
of East
Meadow Drive until the construction hazard is over. Chief Knuth
acknowledged the suggestions. Trustee Anderson felt that the speed
limits through Vail should be reviewed. Chief Knuth verbally
• reviewed the speed limits for those Board Members and public present.
The Board Members were in favor of accepting Chief Knuth's proposals.
Mr. Merrell Hastins reiterrated (by showing his map) the poll taken
on the 'one way' proposal. Also pointed out that it was narrowed
down to one way traffic in the winter with snow pile up, and bars
parked along the road way. Mayor Dobson pointed out that not very
many of the people owning property in the area in question were
actually permanent residents in Vail and spent only a short period
of time in their homes each year. Mayor Dobson also pointed out
that there were better ways of dealing with speeding traffic-- a
'one way' situation would only cause more cars to pass by everyones
property and, therefore, only add to the total traffic in the area.
Mayor Dobson further suggested that No Truck signs could be placed
at the Tennis Courts and eliminate the Truck Traffic in the area.
It was moved by Trustee White and seconded by Trustee Freeman to
accept the proposals made by Chief Knuth which included any re-
commended signs in the Vail Valley Drive and Ptaramigan Raod area)
and to continue to do studies on the traffic. The motion was
unanimously approved by the Board.
VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES
Trustee Steinberg YES
Trustee Donovan YES
Trustee Bailey YES
Trustee Anderson YES
Trustee White YES
Trustee Freeman YES
IV. CONSIDERATION OF MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND POST OFFICE SITE:
Terrell Mznger, Town Manager, informed the Board that -the Town
had had reason to believe from information received from Vail
Associates that the High Way Department had encroached on the
Municipal site with their Interstate fence. Both Muirer/Serifini/
and Murier and Peak One Surveyors had inaicated that the fence was
encroaching. The Town wrote to the Highway people requesting a
meeting on the subject. After the meeting it was found that the
fence was not encroaching on the Municipal Site and that some
20,000 square feet did not belong to Vail Associates who had conveyed
the land to the Town. Mr. Minger showed the site plan to the Board
and explained the conditions before the situation and now. Vail
Associates had assumed that they owned the whole parcel of land and
when Peak One surveyed, the Highway Department had given the wrong
information to Peak One. It was proposed to relocate the complex
and still fit it on the site as it is no*7 constituted, The IRS
application has the wrong legal description but Mr. Dan Harrington
of Boettcher and Co. believes that we may be able to make appropriate
changes without the government objection. It was queried as to
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whether the property south of the proposed Post Office could be
obtained. George Olson from Harold Carver .Architect Office, stated
that the revised size of the property was not as convenient but it
was still functionally possible to use the site. The Fire station
would be effected the most. The site revision would not slow down
the Architectural schedule --open for bids next week. Trustee
Donovan queried the consideration of trading land. It was stated
that we had asked the highway Department and were informed that the
Town could appeal and they would consider it in six months. Mayor
Dobson asked Larry Robinson, Town Attorney, the legal tightness of
the Highway Department. Mr. Robinson informed the Board that the
government had set up certain specifications for Interstate land
and we would have little chance in changing their decision. The
Board felt the the Town should get a subsidy from Vail Associates
as per their mistake. George Olson asked for the authority for the
Architect to go ahead with the Municipal Complex and Information
Center bids as they are not directly involved in the site changes.
Trustee White voiced his concern as to whether or not we should
build this year --perhaps the Town should look for office space for
this coming winter. It was moved by Trustee Donovan and seconded by
Trustee Freeman to authorize the Architect to go ahead with bids on
the Municipal Building and the Information Center. The motion was
unanimously approved by the Board.
VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES
Trustee Steinberg YES
• Trustee Donovan YES
Trustee Bailey YES
Trustee Anderson YES
Trustee White YES
Trustee Freeman YES
V. "VAIL GUIDES" PROJECT REPORT: Mr. Minger introduced two letters
(Exhibits -F�r and"DO-F from Mr. Gordon explaining the "Vail Guides"
program. In essence, the program proposed is to involve young
people down the valley with the Vail youth in constructive projects.
Building an amphitheater near the base of Gold Peak has been dis-
cussed and the land allocation approved by Vail Associates. The
Board was asked to consider a request for financial support in the
amount of two hundred dollars ($200) for the purchase of certain
necessary materials and supplies which cannot be secured through
donation. Trustee Donovan moved with a second by Trustee White to
donate $200 to the Vail Guides for the purchase of certain necessary
materials and supplies for the construction of an amphitheater. The
motion was passed by the following vote:
Mayor Dobson
YES
Trustee Freeman
YES
Trustee Donovan
YES
Trustee Bailey
YES
Trustee 14hite
YES
Trustee Steinberg
YES
Trustee Anderson Abstained
VI. REPORTS: A. PROPANE GAS FOR CITY VEHICLES: Mr. Minger repor-
ted that through magazine article research, which he presented to
the Board, he was satisfied of the safety of propane. Chief Knuth
felt if competent people were trained to handle the propane that it
would be safe. Mr. ringer suggested that the Town try the use of
propane gas on a trial basis on the Police car and two city trucks.
Trustee [,dhite moved with a second from Trustee Donovan that the Town
authorize the conversion of three city vehicles to propane gas for
not more than one year and at a cost not to exceed $500.
VOTE:
Mayor Dobson
Trustee Donovan
YES
YES
Trustee Bailey
YES
Trustee Anderson
YES
Trustee White
YES
Trustee Freeman
YES
Trustee Steinberg NO
The motion was passed by the majority of the Board.
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B. LOWER FOREST ROAD BRIDGE STATUS: Mr. Minger reported that the
road is dedicated except where the .skiers come across and that Vail
Associates allocated $1,500 for the repair of the bridge. There
are some small holes in the bed of the bridge (which were not
structural problems). The bridge itself has not been dedicated to
the Town. Mr. Dave Penwell was introduced to the Board as an
Attorney for Vail Associates. C. BBB ASPHALT PLANT: Mr. Minger
assured the Board that the !asphalt Plant was in the confines of the
Town on Vail Associates land. Legally the Town could remove the
plant because of the zoning; but, the plant had been left there
because the Town is trying to do a considerable amount of paving
and the cost of paving would double if we removed the plant and had
to get paving from Grand Junction or elsewhere. The Plant has a
pond which is not polluting the stream. Trustee Donovan suggested
that it be entered into the record that this summer of 1970 would
be the last summer that BBB would be allowed to keep their plant
at the present location. The trailer situation in the village and
at construction sites was discussed and a deadline of July 10th
was decided on for the enforcement of Ordinancel7, Section 3 of 1966.
It was further decided that it would be allowable for the construc-
tion sites to utilize trailers for office facilities only, no
overnight sleeping. The Police Department will be used to enforce
this decision. D. POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL REPORT: Gary Knuth,
Police Chief, reported that the police department was up to full
strength with the hiring of two new officers. This brings the total
force to seven men which includes the police chief. The new officers
are to receive training at the Law Enforcement Academy this fall.
E. INFORMATION BOOTH: Mr. Minger reported that a ticket booth had
been m6i�c into t-sparking lot by the Inter -Faith Chapel to be
utilitzed as an information booth to direct traffic to correct
parking lots and other general information for the tourists. A
girl had manned the booth over the weekend with considerable success.
VII. OTHER BUSINESS: It was decided to place the Dog Ordinance
on the a :_ada for the next session. The play ground behind the
Golden Peak House was discussed and suggested that although it
belonged to Vail Associates, perhaps the Town could maintain the
grounds being it was being used by the public. Mr. ringer was
asked to check into this situation.
With no further business the meeting adjourned at 10:37 p.m.
JOHN P. A OLT LAW OFFICES OF
J. H. SHEPHERD
ROBERT A. DICK AKOLT, SHEPHERD, DICK & ROVIRA
JOH N P. AKOLt, R.
LUIS D. ROVIRA 1600 WESTERN FEDERAL SAVINGS BUILDING
WALL$$ L,CAMPBEkL 718 SEVENTEENTH STREET
LACL S. DrMUTIA
cARI. F. LISFROrR DENVER, COLORADO 80202
WILLIAM G. KEMP
ALAN C.111'_"UTH TELEPHONE 303,E22-I606
S r DART S. GUNCKEL
WILLIAM F. FAIR
P"ERT A. BACKUS
ARTHUR T. VOSS June 9, 1970
MITCHELL BENEDICT H[
TH OMAS H. TUCKER
BRIAN M. BELL
Vail Board of Trustees
The Town of Vail, Colorado 81657
Gentlemen:
This office represents The Mountain States Telephone and
Telegraph Company, a Colorado corporation, on whose behalf we 'wish
to confirm the application which has been made by that company with.
r e:.,. p a ct to obtaining an I xception or Conditional Use Permit authori-
/,ing a public utility structure and installat.ton upon 1,,ind located
wl.thin trio Town of Va.11 now zoned as an A,,-'rr1cultural District. 7%e
rjeila:11:�,, of suld applical-1-i-oh are as follows:
1. Name and address of applic.ant: The Mounta:l.n States
Telephone and 93,1. Fourteenth Street, Denver,
Colorado 80',102.
? . Vail, Associates, Inc., is the present owner of the land
involved and The Mount -ain States Telephone and Telegraph Company has
permission of ,:aid owner to make this application.
3. At the present time, there is no street address for the
land In quet.ttion. The logral description of the subject land
follows:
A tract of land in the South Half of the -Southnant Quarter
of Section 6, Township r., South, Range 80 West of the Sixth
Principal Meridian, described as follows:
Beginning at a point which lies North 36'01r-
12" Weqt.:1170.20.
feet; from the Southeast corner of said Section 6; 1-.he-nce
North 00000100" a distance of 180.1.1 feet; thence North
F380341 West, 143.67 feet; thence South 60'091 West., 1.6-L.62
feet; thence South 86047' West 87.0 feet; thence South
36'�.3130" West, 65.24 feet; thence South 83036130" Eas,t..
411-93 feet to the Point of Beginning, Town of Vail, Eagle
County, Co.lo-.r.Iad.o.
4. The land is located within the Town of Vail, Colorado,
and has been zoned pursuant to the Town of Vail -Zoning Ordinance No.
7 1 c t..
Series of 3.969, ArtLcle IT, Section 8 as an Agricultural Distr.
Pursuant to Article TV (Exceptions) of said Zoning Ordinance, sp-
plicant applies for an Exception or Conditional Use Permit; per-
manent in period of time, authorizing the.erect!on, installation
operation and maintenance of an automatic telophone exchange fact-:-1.
lity, including a microwave receiving station. Said facility�wil_l..
constitute a public utility structure and iristal.lati.on.
Very truly yours,
AKOLT, SHEPHERD, DICK & ROVIRA
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BY
Robert A. B cku:
It1\I1:cjh
^ c.c.. Stewart .Brown
Attorney at Law
Va.i.l, Colorado
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phanhing t::cans;yalr:,EarleE,
June 18, 1970
Mr, Terry Minger
Town Manager
Vail, Colorado
Rear Terry:
Following our meeting last week, I have reviewed our Traffic Engineering- Handbook
in regard to several points of discussion. Actually, l don't think this sodree of€e-s.too
much help but a few excerpts are noted as follows:
Page 569 - regarding truck routes: "Similar difficulties have been experienced
in other cities, so that many now depend on residential and nii6or.street weight !
limits for their main control over truck movements."
Though Vail's unofficial "traffic advisor" says this was not done in Bow Mai-, I have
always understood that passing an ordinance is necessary for municipalities to regulate
trucks to certain right-of-ways.
Page 554 - Suggested criteria for one-way streets includes 23 factors'which might .
be considered. Since many of these refer to congested business districts,.,only y#
the following might be considered in Vail: 1) "Et can be demonstrated that a', , 4
traffic problem exists that can be relieved by one-way operation." 2) "6ne-way'
street designation is more desirable than any other possible alternate methods of .
solving the problem." 3) "Reduction in travel time" (of course, the opposite is
actually desired by the proponents in Vail). 4) "Providing greater €fexibilify to
meet changing traffic patterns almost immediately and at negligible cost. "
Though, as you know, my personal recommendation is to strongly oppose the proposed . 1
one-way street arrangement in Vail, if the town board agrees to such a procedure, .l .`
would think No.s 1, 2 & 4 above, should be included in their action in order to give
further credence to this course of action.
My final suggestion, and the one which really concerns me most after hearing the dis-
cussion last week is related to the idea of having people living along a given right-of-';�: ;
way play a significant role in determining how such a right-of-way is to be used.
Public streets are obviously dedicated for a public purpose which almost always goes l
much beyond the abutting property owner's interests. If this were not true, we would i4
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Mr. Terry Minger -2- - June 18, 1970
necessarily use many more "private streets" where control would be_vested in those prop-
erties immediately adjacent. Once dedicated to the pub#i.c; right-of-ways are normally + .
used by vehicles, pedestrians, service trucks and for utility placement without major con-
trots being placed on such uses.
Although we can recognize the reasons behind the current controversy in Vail, I would
think that the town board would have to be very careful to avoid setting a precedent
in this area which might encourage other landowners in the community to request -special
traffic controls in their locations just to fit their i,ndividual'needs. Such actions might
easily result in "hodgepodge" regulations which would unnecessarily.antagonize visitors, .: '
would make enforcement extremely difficult, and might leadlo. further requests for .
specialized action.
Let me know if any further reactions. from here,would be of helpto you..
Sincerely,
Tra�fton Bean
Vice -President
T8`rs
June 19, 1970
Town Trustees
Town of Vail
Vail, Colorado
Gentlemen:
As you may know, the Rotary Club of Vail h s agreed to help
organize and sponsor a youth welfare progr m on a regional
basis. This program has tentatively been identified as
"The Vail Guides" project.
As a part of the activity schedule of this project we plan
to build an outdoor ampitheatre near the base of Gold Pear
and a "Platlanders Trail" roughly following the old flume -
line along the base of Gold Peak eastward and returning to
the core area along Gore Creek.
In this regard, we would greatly appreciate your considera-
tion of a request for financial support in the amount of
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two hundred dollars ($200.00) so that we can purchase certain
necessary materials and supplies which cannot be secured
through donation.
Your consideration of this request will be greatly appreciated
by all concerned and will be most important in the development'
of these needed community facilities.
Sincerely,
Stuart "Boot" G don, Chairman
THE VAIL GUI S
SBG:bmf
June 17, 1970
Mr. Terry Minger
Town Of Vail
Vail, Colorado
Terry:
Attached is our plan for the Vail Guide -summer youth
program.
if it meets with your approval, we would appreciate
a written okay, so the projects can be started.
And naturally we will also appreciate suggestions -
and critiques you might have.
Sincerely,
Stuart "Boot" Go don
Vail Guides
Vail Rotary C
P.O. Box 66
Vail, Colorado
VAIL GUIDES
A summer work program for boys and girls (ages 14-18) of the
Minturn-Vail area sponsored by the Vail, Colorado Chapter of the
Rotary Club International.
PROJECTS:
1. Amphitheatre
2. Flatlander's trail
3. Baseball diamond
4. Volleyball court
5. Soccerfield
6. Town bulletin board
LEADERSHIP:
Director: Stuart "Boot" Gordon
Assistant: Jay Miller
Advisors: Dale McCall
Don Smith
Don Simonton
WORK SERIES: Youth will meet Monday -Friday at l P.M. until 4:30
(weather permitting) until project is completed.
Youth will be paired, divided into work teams.
Each project will be under leadership of an
adult. (project #1--Jay Miller).
Labor Saving equipment (run by adults) will be
obtained when possible.
Work will be alternated with volleyball sessions.
INCENTIVES: 1. Equipment
a. First week ----------Swiss guide hat
b. Second week ---------Web belt & canteen
C. Third week ----------Pack
d. Fourth week ---------- g,ancho
2. Individual and group publicity
3. Evening activities:
a. first week ---------- Swimming
b. Second week --------- Rifle firing (Mike Carlyle)
• C. Third week ---------- Jeep trip & cook out
d. Fourth week --------- overnight
4. Volleyball
5. Evening leadership --guide training program
6. Certificate
7. Graduates become guides for VRA
PROJECT #1------ AMPHITHEATRE
LOCATION:
At base of mountain under lift #6
DESIGN:
Harold Carver Arch. (Steve Swanson)
PERMISSION:
Vail Associates
Vail Recreation District
Vail Manor (neighboring lodge -Condo)
MATERIALS:
14 18" logs (split)
3 x 12 planks
2 x 4 stakes
stain
Materials for stand
Light --power
4 €t. logs for ramp steps
gravel
BUDGET
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PROJECT # 2------- Flatlanders 'trait
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LOCATION:
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Starts near base of lift #6 along mountain on
Flume trail, to golf maintenance building, down
road to rivers, to Manor Vail.
DESIGN:
3-4' wide earth path with allowances for i
drainage, spring riverlets.
PERMISSION:
Vail Associates
Vail ReereettAn?District
Vail Resort Association !`
Forest Service
Warren Pulis
Manor Vail (ankolz property)
MATERIALS:
Five (5) signs
Bridge over Golden Peak Creek
Material for trestle
Cribbing for hillside trail
Drainage pipe
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BUDGET:
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MISCELLANEOUS:
1. Doctors Okay
2. Parents Okay
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3. Insurance?
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4. Logo
5. Financial backing
6. Adult participation
7. Budget --Treasurer
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