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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1970-06-22 Town Council Minutes` MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING JUNE 22, 1970 HOLIDAY INN CONFERENCE ROOM Meeting was brought to order by Mayor John Dobson at 7:45 p.m. 1. ROLL CALL: found the following members present: Mayor John A. Dobson Trustee Thomas Steinberg Trustee John Donovan Trustee Dick Bailey Trustee Todd Anderson Trustee Gerry White Trustee Clay Freeman Others present: Terrell J. Minger Lorence Robinson II. APPLICATION AND HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (MOUNTAIN STATES TELEPHONE): Mayor Dobson turned the time over to Lorence Robinson, Town Attorney, who inturn, introduced the people from Mountain States Telephone --Robert Bacus, Attorney for Mountain States Telephone; Mr. Larry Eaton; representative for Mountain States and John Rogers, Architect from Denver. Mr. Eaton addressed the Board and publib--Mfountain States desired to find a way to grow with Vail; the present building only allows growth until 1973 whereas the new site allows ultimate growth and serviceability for approximately 90,000 customers. It would require less than five people to maintain the equipment building. In studying the use of the old building, Mountain States were unable to resolve as to its future use. Mr. Rogers, Architect, showed slides of the proposed site, equipment (Micro wave horns), towers in relationship to Vail LionsHead, site as seen from ski slopes, Forest Service slides (trees in relation to other objects), floor plans, building section in three phases, south elevation showing all three phases and hors, sketch looking through the trees, concrete flume instead of grading (leaving 1:he landscaping natural) and other relative slides to the requested Conditional Use Permit. The slides were shown in rapid succession due to the fact that the Board of Trustees had been at a previous presentation. A cardboard model of the proposed building was presented to the Board. Trustee White queried the use of phase three. Mr. Eaton stated that it was a very distant addition and would enable the company to service 45,000 additional customers. Mr. Robinson stated that although there was no assurance that the utimate building will be as presently viewed that it was apparent that considerable pains had been taken not to distract from the terrain. Mr. Rogers stated that construction was expected to start April 21, 1971 with a completion date in November of 1971. Upon the --- above presentation and facts, Mr. Robinson recommended that the variance be granted. Trustee White moved with a second from Trustee Steinberg to grant the Conditional Use Permit (entered here as 'Exhibit A). The motion was unanimously approved by the Board. VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES Trustee Steinberg YES Trustee Donovan YES Trustee Bailey YES Trustee Anderson YES Trustee White YES Trustee Freeman YES III. CO"TSIDERATION OF SUMMER TRAFFIC PROGRAM: Mayor Dobson opened the discussion by briefly reiterating the Ptarmigan Road, Vail Valley Drive issue and how it would be considered in connection with the total picture of Vail's summer traffic program. SFr. Merrill Hastings felt the matter of the poll taken on the 'one way' traffic on Ptarmigan Road and Vail Valley Drive should be considered as a separate matter but the Mayor and the Board of Trustees felt that it should be incorporated into the totaltraffic program as it had been studied as such by Chief of Police, Gary Knuth. 14r. Hastings presented to the Board the letter sent to the property owners of the area in question and was read aloud by Mayor Dobson. Also submitted were the ballots --total of 33 ballots sent, 24 replys with 17 voting yes, 7 voting no and 9 abstaining.. The Board then reviewed the letter sent by Trafton Bean, Planning Consultant from Harman, O'Donnell & Henninger Associates Inc. (entered into the page 2 minutes as Exhibit B). This letter stongly opposed the "one way" proposal .for Vail Valley Drive and Ptarmigan Road. Mayor Dobson asked Chief Gary Knuth to present his Summer Traffic plan. Chief Knuth proposed the following: Leave Forest Road one way summer and winter as there is little off street parking and the road way very narrow. Hansen Ranch Road was one way last year and had not worked successfully as tourists unfamiliar with the area could not find their way out. Two way traffic on Hansen Ranch Road would lessen the traffic on Bridge Street. Ptarmigan Road and Vail Valley Drive remain two way traffic --one way tends to increase traffic speed because of no on -coming traffic. Traffic counts taken in the area showed the highest count in a one half hour period to be 10 cars, out of the 10 cars 4 or 5 were construction people working in the area. It was suggested to errect Stop signs on Ptarmigan Road and Vail Valley Drive. Golf Cart crossings would create a hazard to the one way traffic. Solution to the speeding problem --radar control in the area without the 'one way'. Chief Knuth confirmed that there was a definite grade problem in the area in the winter creating a hazard. He suggested having a patrolman at peak times to direct traffic down Gore Creek Drive. Trustee White asked if there be any objection to a Stop Sign on Bridge Street --no objec� tion from Chief Knuth. Trustee Steinberg suggested Golf Crossin signs also. Trustee Bailey suggested having more policingg of East Meadow Drive until the construction hazard is over. Chief Knuth acknowledged the suggestions. Trustee Anderson felt that the speed limits through Vail should be reviewed. Chief Knuth verbally • reviewed the speed limits for those Board Members and public present. The Board Members were in favor of accepting Chief Knuth's proposals. Mr. Merrell Hastins reiterrated (by showing his map) the poll taken on the 'one way' proposal. Also pointed out that it was narrowed down to one way traffic in the winter with snow pile up, and bars parked along the road way. Mayor Dobson pointed out that not very many of the people owning property in the area in question were actually permanent residents in Vail and spent only a short period of time in their homes each year. Mayor Dobson also pointed out that there were better ways of dealing with speeding traffic-- a 'one way' situation would only cause more cars to pass by everyones property and, therefore, only add to the total traffic in the area. Mayor Dobson further suggested that No Truck signs could be placed at the Tennis Courts and eliminate the Truck Traffic in the area. It was moved by Trustee White and seconded by Trustee Freeman to accept the proposals made by Chief Knuth which included any re- commended signs in the Vail Valley Drive and Ptaramigan Raod area) and to continue to do studies on the traffic. The motion was unanimously approved by the Board. VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES Trustee Steinberg YES Trustee Donovan YES Trustee Bailey YES Trustee Anderson YES Trustee White YES Trustee Freeman YES IV. CONSIDERATION OF MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND POST OFFICE SITE: Terrell Mznger, Town Manager, informed the Board that -the Town had had reason to believe from information received from Vail Associates that the High Way Department had encroached on the Municipal site with their Interstate fence. Both Muirer/Serifini/ and Murier and Peak One Surveyors had inaicated that the fence was encroaching. The Town wrote to the Highway people requesting a meeting on the subject. After the meeting it was found that the fence was not encroaching on the Municipal Site and that some 20,000 square feet did not belong to Vail Associates who had conveyed the land to the Town. Mr. Minger showed the site plan to the Board and explained the conditions before the situation and now. Vail Associates had assumed that they owned the whole parcel of land and when Peak One surveyed, the Highway Department had given the wrong information to Peak One. It was proposed to relocate the complex and still fit it on the site as it is no*7 constituted, The IRS application has the wrong legal description but Mr. Dan Harrington of Boettcher and Co. believes that we may be able to make appropriate changes without the government objection. It was queried as to page 3 whether the property south of the proposed Post Office could be obtained. George Olson from Harold Carver .Architect Office, stated that the revised size of the property was not as convenient but it was still functionally possible to use the site. The Fire station would be effected the most. The site revision would not slow down the Architectural schedule --open for bids next week. Trustee Donovan queried the consideration of trading land. It was stated that we had asked the highway Department and were informed that the Town could appeal and they would consider it in six months. Mayor Dobson asked Larry Robinson, Town Attorney, the legal tightness of the Highway Department. Mr. Robinson informed the Board that the government had set up certain specifications for Interstate land and we would have little chance in changing their decision. The Board felt the the Town should get a subsidy from Vail Associates as per their mistake. George Olson asked for the authority for the Architect to go ahead with the Municipal Complex and Information Center bids as they are not directly involved in the site changes. Trustee White voiced his concern as to whether or not we should build this year --perhaps the Town should look for office space for this coming winter. It was moved by Trustee Donovan and seconded by Trustee Freeman to authorize the Architect to go ahead with bids on the Municipal Building and the Information Center. The motion was unanimously approved by the Board. VOTE: Mayor Dobson YES Trustee Steinberg YES • Trustee Donovan YES Trustee Bailey YES Trustee Anderson YES Trustee White YES Trustee Freeman YES V. "VAIL GUIDES" PROJECT REPORT: Mr. Minger introduced two letters (Exhibits -F�r and"DO-F from Mr. Gordon explaining the "Vail Guides" program. In essence, the program proposed is to involve young people down the valley with the Vail youth in constructive projects. Building an amphitheater near the base of Gold Peak has been dis- cussed and the land allocation approved by Vail Associates. The Board was asked to consider a request for financial support in the amount of two hundred dollars ($200) for the purchase of certain necessary materials and supplies which cannot be secured through donation. Trustee Donovan moved with a second by Trustee White to donate $200 to the Vail Guides for the purchase of certain necessary materials and supplies for the construction of an amphitheater. The motion was passed by the following vote: Mayor Dobson YES Trustee Freeman YES Trustee Donovan YES Trustee Bailey YES Trustee 14hite YES Trustee Steinberg YES Trustee Anderson Abstained VI. REPORTS: A. PROPANE GAS FOR CITY VEHICLES: Mr. Minger repor- ted that through magazine article research, which he presented to the Board, he was satisfied of the safety of propane. Chief Knuth felt if competent people were trained to handle the propane that it would be safe. Mr. ringer suggested that the Town try the use of propane gas on a trial basis on the Police car and two city trucks. Trustee [,dhite moved with a second from Trustee Donovan that the Town authorize the conversion of three city vehicles to propane gas for not more than one year and at a cost not to exceed $500. VOTE: Mayor Dobson Trustee Donovan YES YES Trustee Bailey YES Trustee Anderson YES Trustee White YES Trustee Freeman YES Trustee Steinberg NO The motion was passed by the majority of the Board. Page 4 • • B. LOWER FOREST ROAD BRIDGE STATUS: Mr. Minger reported that the road is dedicated except where the .skiers come across and that Vail Associates allocated $1,500 for the repair of the bridge. There are some small holes in the bed of the bridge (which were not structural problems). The bridge itself has not been dedicated to the Town. Mr. Dave Penwell was introduced to the Board as an Attorney for Vail Associates. C. BBB ASPHALT PLANT: Mr. Minger assured the Board that the !asphalt Plant was in the confines of the Town on Vail Associates land. Legally the Town could remove the plant because of the zoning; but, the plant had been left there because the Town is trying to do a considerable amount of paving and the cost of paving would double if we removed the plant and had to get paving from Grand Junction or elsewhere. The Plant has a pond which is not polluting the stream. Trustee Donovan suggested that it be entered into the record that this summer of 1970 would be the last summer that BBB would be allowed to keep their plant at the present location. The trailer situation in the village and at construction sites was discussed and a deadline of July 10th was decided on for the enforcement of Ordinancel7, Section 3 of 1966. It was further decided that it would be allowable for the construc- tion sites to utilize trailers for office facilities only, no overnight sleeping. The Police Department will be used to enforce this decision. D. POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL REPORT: Gary Knuth, Police Chief, reported that the police department was up to full strength with the hiring of two new officers. This brings the total force to seven men which includes the police chief. The new officers are to receive training at the Law Enforcement Academy this fall. E. INFORMATION BOOTH: Mr. Minger reported that a ticket booth had been m6i�c into t-sparking lot by the Inter -Faith Chapel to be utilitzed as an information booth to direct traffic to correct parking lots and other general information for the tourists. A girl had manned the booth over the weekend with considerable success. VII. OTHER BUSINESS: It was decided to place the Dog Ordinance on the a :_ada for the next session. The play ground behind the Golden Peak House was discussed and suggested that although it belonged to Vail Associates, perhaps the Town could maintain the grounds being it was being used by the public. Mr. ringer was asked to check into this situation. With no further business the meeting adjourned at 10:37 p.m. JOHN P. A OLT LAW OFFICES OF J. H. SHEPHERD ROBERT A. DICK AKOLT, SHEPHERD, DICK & ROVIRA JOH N P. AKOLt, R. LUIS D. ROVIRA 1600 WESTERN FEDERAL SAVINGS BUILDING WALL$$ L,CAMPBEkL 718 SEVENTEENTH STREET LACL S. DrMUTIA cARI. F. LISFROrR DENVER, COLORADO 80202 WILLIAM G. KEMP ALAN C.111'_"UTH TELEPHONE 303,E22-I606 S r DART S. GUNCKEL WILLIAM F. FAIR P"ERT A. BACKUS ARTHUR T. VOSS June 9, 1970 MITCHELL BENEDICT H[ TH OMAS H. TUCKER BRIAN M. BELL Vail Board of Trustees The Town of Vail, Colorado 81657 Gentlemen: This office represents The Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph Company, a Colorado corporation, on whose behalf we 'wish to confirm the application which has been made by that company with. r e:.,. p a ct to obtaining an I xception or Conditional Use Permit authori- /,ing a public utility structure and installat.ton upon 1,,ind located wl.thin trio Town of Va.11 now zoned as an A,,-'rr1cultural District. 7%e rjeila:11:�,, of suld applical-1-i-oh are as follows: 1. Name and address of applic.ant: The Mounta:l.n States Telephone and 93,1. Fourteenth Street, Denver, Colorado 80',102. ? . Vail, Associates, Inc., is the present owner of the land involved and The Mount -ain States Telephone and Telegraph Company has permission of ,:aid owner to make this application. 3. At the present time, there is no street address for the land In quet.ttion. The logral description of the subject land follows: A tract of land in the South Half of the -Southnant Quarter of Section 6, Township r., South, Range 80 West of the Sixth Principal Meridian, described as follows: Beginning at a point which lies North 36'01r- 12" Weqt.:1170.20. feet; from the Southeast corner of said Section 6; 1-.he-nce North 00000100" a distance of 180.1.1 feet; thence North F380341 West, 143.67 feet; thence South 60'091 West., 1.6-L.62 feet; thence South 86047' West 87.0 feet; thence South 36'�.3130" West, 65.24 feet; thence South 83036130" Eas,t.. 411-93 feet to the Point of Beginning, Town of Vail, Eagle County, Co.lo-.r.Iad.o. 4. The land is located within the Town of Vail, Colorado, and has been zoned pursuant to the Town of Vail -Zoning Ordinance No. 7 1 c t.. Series of 3.969, ArtLcle IT, Section 8 as an Agricultural Distr. Pursuant to Article TV (Exceptions) of said Zoning Ordinance, sp- plicant applies for an Exception or Conditional Use Permit; per- manent in period of time, authorizing the.erect!on, installation operation and maintenance of an automatic telophone exchange fact-:-1. lity, including a microwave receiving station. Said facility�wil_l.. constitute a public utility structure and iristal.lati.on. Very truly yours, AKOLT, SHEPHERD, DICK & ROVIRA r.� BY Robert A. B cku: It1\I1:cjh ^ c.c.. Stewart .Brown Attorney at Law Va.i.l, Colorado • harr•nan, o2dannall e" henninger- ( _ associrat�s,.iric. phanhing t::cans;yalr:,EarleE, June 18, 1970 Mr, Terry Minger Town Manager Vail, Colorado Rear Terry: Following our meeting last week, I have reviewed our Traffic Engineering- Handbook in regard to several points of discussion. Actually, l don't think this sodree of€e-s.too much help but a few excerpts are noted as follows: Page 569 - regarding truck routes: "Similar difficulties have been experienced in other cities, so that many now depend on residential and nii6or.street weight ! limits for their main control over truck movements." Though Vail's unofficial "traffic advisor" says this was not done in Bow Mai-, I have always understood that passing an ordinance is necessary for municipalities to regulate trucks to certain right-of-ways. Page 554 - Suggested criteria for one-way streets includes 23 factors'which might . be considered. Since many of these refer to congested business districts,.,only y# the following might be considered in Vail: 1) "Et can be demonstrated that a', , 4 traffic problem exists that can be relieved by one-way operation." 2) "6ne-way' street designation is more desirable than any other possible alternate methods of . solving the problem." 3) "Reduction in travel time" (of course, the opposite is actually desired by the proponents in Vail). 4) "Providing greater €fexibilify to meet changing traffic patterns almost immediately and at negligible cost. " Though, as you know, my personal recommendation is to strongly oppose the proposed . 1 one-way street arrangement in Vail, if the town board agrees to such a procedure, .l .` would think No.s 1, 2 & 4 above, should be included in their action in order to give further credence to this course of action. My final suggestion, and the one which really concerns me most after hearing the dis- cussion last week is related to the idea of having people living along a given right-of-';�: ; way play a significant role in determining how such a right-of-way is to be used. Public streets are obviously dedicated for a public purpose which almost always goes l much beyond the abutting property owner's interests. If this were not true, we would i4 Xtfj 2727,EAST STCONO AVENUr DENVER COLORAUO BOZO(; PHONE (',M) 399-7602 URBAN AND REGIONAL K ANNING • LAND PLANNING LANDSCAPE AHCHIIECTURE • ECONDMIC4*als I Mr. Terry Minger -2- - June 18, 1970 necessarily use many more "private streets" where control would be_vested in those prop- erties immediately adjacent. Once dedicated to the pub#i.c; right-of-ways are normally + . used by vehicles, pedestrians, service trucks and for utility placement without major con- trots being placed on such uses. Although we can recognize the reasons behind the current controversy in Vail, I would think that the town board would have to be very careful to avoid setting a precedent in this area which might encourage other landowners in the community to request -special traffic controls in their locations just to fit their i,ndividual'needs. Such actions might easily result in "hodgepodge" regulations which would unnecessarily.antagonize visitors, .: ' would make enforcement extremely difficult, and might leadlo. further requests for . specialized action. Let me know if any further reactions. from here,would be of helpto you.. Sincerely, Tra�fton Bean Vice -President T8`rs June 19, 1970 Town Trustees Town of Vail Vail, Colorado Gentlemen: As you may know, the Rotary Club of Vail h s agreed to help organize and sponsor a youth welfare progr m on a regional basis. This program has tentatively been identified as "The Vail Guides" project. As a part of the activity schedule of this project we plan to build an outdoor ampitheatre near the base of Gold Pear and a "Platlanders Trail" roughly following the old flume - line along the base of Gold Peak eastward and returning to the core area along Gore Creek. In this regard, we would greatly appreciate your considera- tion of a request for financial support in the amount of _ two hundred dollars ($200.00) so that we can purchase certain necessary materials and supplies which cannot be secured through donation. Your consideration of this request will be greatly appreciated by all concerned and will be most important in the development' of these needed community facilities. Sincerely, Stuart "Boot" G don, Chairman THE VAIL GUI S SBG:bmf June 17, 1970 Mr. Terry Minger Town Of Vail Vail, Colorado Terry: Attached is our plan for the Vail Guide -summer youth program. if it meets with your approval, we would appreciate a written okay, so the projects can be started. And naturally we will also appreciate suggestions - and critiques you might have. Sincerely, Stuart "Boot" Go don Vail Guides Vail Rotary C P.O. Box 66 Vail, Colorado VAIL GUIDES A summer work program for boys and girls (ages 14-18) of the Minturn-Vail area sponsored by the Vail, Colorado Chapter of the Rotary Club International. PROJECTS: 1. Amphitheatre 2. Flatlander's trail 3. Baseball diamond 4. Volleyball court 5. Soccerfield 6. Town bulletin board LEADERSHIP: Director: Stuart "Boot" Gordon Assistant: Jay Miller Advisors: Dale McCall Don Smith Don Simonton WORK SERIES: Youth will meet Monday -Friday at l P.M. until 4:30 (weather permitting) until project is completed. Youth will be paired, divided into work teams. Each project will be under leadership of an adult. (project #1--Jay Miller). Labor Saving equipment (run by adults) will be obtained when possible. Work will be alternated with volleyball sessions. INCENTIVES: 1. Equipment a. First week ----------Swiss guide hat b. Second week ---------Web belt & canteen C. Third week ----------Pack d. Fourth week ---------- g,ancho 2. Individual and group publicity 3. Evening activities: a. first week ---------- Swimming b. Second week --------- Rifle firing (Mike Carlyle) • C. Third week ---------- Jeep trip & cook out d. Fourth week --------- overnight 4. Volleyball 5. Evening leadership --guide training program 6. Certificate 7. Graduates become guides for VRA PROJECT #1------ AMPHITHEATRE LOCATION: At base of mountain under lift #6 DESIGN: Harold Carver Arch. (Steve Swanson) PERMISSION: Vail Associates Vail Recreation District Vail Manor (neighboring lodge -Condo) MATERIALS: 14 18" logs (split) 3 x 12 planks 2 x 4 stakes stain Materials for stand Light --power 4 €t. logs for ramp steps gravel BUDGET 0 PROJECT # 2------- Flatlanders 'trait i LOCATION: i Starts near base of lift #6 along mountain on Flume trail, to golf maintenance building, down road to rivers, to Manor Vail. DESIGN: 3-4' wide earth path with allowances for i drainage, spring riverlets. PERMISSION: Vail Associates Vail ReereettAn?District Vail Resort Association !` Forest Service Warren Pulis Manor Vail (ankolz property) MATERIALS: Five (5) signs Bridge over Golden Peak Creek Material for trestle Cribbing for hillside trail Drainage pipe • BUDGET: E MISCELLANEOUS: 1. Doctors Okay 2. Parents Okay i 3. Insurance? i 4. Logo 5. Financial backing 6. Adult participation 7. Budget --Treasurer •