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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1970-08-05 Town Council Minutes• 0 iINUTES OF THE JOINT rAEETING OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THE VAIL PLANNING C0;•1r•tISSION AUGUST 5, 1970 VAIL MNICIPAL OFFICES The meeting was brought to order by Planning Commission Chairman, Rodney Slifer, at 10:15 A.M. MOLL CALL found the following members present: Planning. Commission: Board of Trustees Others Present Absent: Chairman Rodney Slifer John Donovan Bob Clark Dave Gorsuch John Dobson �4ayor John Dobson Perry White John Donovan Thomas Steinber,g Terrell J. Minger Lawrence Robinson Stanley Bernstein Todd Anderson Clay Freeman I. SET BACK CONSIDERATION IN COMMERCIAL COME AREAS I AND II: It - --- .._..._.__*e'-a"---r--_._...- fE--Ws—• was explzined that the present Ordinance reouires setbacks in both Core Areas (CC Area I being the Village, and CC Area II being Vail LionsHead). P'r. Slifer queried the reasoning behind the set back reauirem.ents for the existing Commercial Core Area. He also stated that those property owners with area to expand will be hindered by the Ordinance and those existing buildings are already built to the property line. r4r. rfinger commented that CC Areas I and II are two different and distinct animals and should be treated as such. "+r. "Finger called for comments from. rTr. Gerry White --he had been on the Planning Commission when the Ordinance was drafted. Trustee Tdhite stated that it was the thinking of the Planning; Commission at the time the Ordinance was drafted that it would act as a safety against the problems being: experienced in CC Area, I. As Trustee GJhite saw it, the whole problem is one of density. The two existing ways of solv- ing the problem was with setback requirements and FAR. He mentioned the ace overhang:, snow removal and areas where no sun could reach thus piling up of ice and snow which constitutes a great problem in the village and it was their intention to solve these problems in Commer- cial Core Area II with the Set Back F.eauirements. Another considera- tion was the fire protection between buildings. It was sited by Mr. Minger that the Rosenquiste Buildings I & II and the Edelwiese build- ing are the main properties in question of the set back requirement in Commercial Core I. Mr. Minger sited the Gaynor "'tiller---rountain Haus­as an example of the Community wrath --when a building is allowed to be built right up to the property line you must contend with con- struction problems; materials on the street, tearing up the street •and stoping traffic. Preservation of the stream was also taken into consideration when the Ordinance was written. Bob Clark did not feel the Ordinance should be changed as long as there is a Wariance Board to consider individual cases. Rodney Slifer queried as to whether property owners were notified when such decisions were made. Mr. Slifer was assured by Trustee White that it was publicly ., announced and that there had been a sizeable representation at the meetings and that Mr. Clay Simons was present to represent Vail Associates at these meetings. It was the general consensus of the two Boards that it was better for a building; to go a story higher than to permit it to be built right out to the street. Mr. Gorsuch felt that it was the responsibility of the Board to look down the road some five to twenty years and try to set rules in the best interest of conditions as they may come to exist and to prevent past mistakes from reoccurr- ing. Mr. Slifer was in favor of control through the PAP, instead of set backs. Trustee White felt that the present FAR should be re- considered and if possible lowered. *+avor Dobson felt that it should be a package deal with the set backs regulating the ground density and the PAR regulating the air density. Mr. ringer presented the Official Zoning Map and the following changes were discussed and con- sidered: It was suggested that the BAR. be 1.25 rather than 1.5 in the Commercial Core and HDMF areas. It was further suggested that this change be brought up at the next regular meeting of the Board of Trustees. It was decided to have a joint meeting on Monday, the 10th of August II. GAYNOR P!ILLER, PARKING LOT QUESTIOI%T: Mr. Miller addressed the Board and introduced Mr. Gary Clark, one of the partners in the Iountain Haus Project. Air. Miller presented his parking problem in connection with the Mountain Haus and asked the feasibility of under- ground parking between the Mountain Haus and the Wedel Inn with a lease consideration. The people involved in the Mountain Haus were willing to pay for part of the costs in such a project. Mayor Dobson queried the number of cars involved. Mr. Miller felt that about 40 cars could be accommodated. mayor Dobson stated that this land was Dedicated Public Land and this would set a serious president as to use of Public Land. T?r. Robinson, Town Attorney, stated that in the terms of the Dedication, the Town does not have the right to allow such a construction. Mayor Dobson assured that some sort of reserved parking would be available in the New Main Parking Lot on a first - come, first -served basis. Mr. ringer stated that Structured Parking will be the most feasible answer to the problem and consideration has been given and will be given further consideration in the near future, �Ir. Clark of the Mountain Haus advised that there would be a gentle- man in today who has a rather unique new terraced parking construc- tion and would like to have him look at the sites in question and then present a more fixed plan with cost figures. III. BUILDING CODE CONSIDERATION: Mr. Charles Bynum, Town Building* Official, din not reel that adoption of the 1970 UBC would be ad- visvisable at this time; would be better timed to do so in the fall. Mr. Bynum further recommended an amendment to the Building Code to •substitute the wording of the 1970 Code for that of the 1967 in re- lation to kitchen window requirements. tlayor Dobson asked Mr. Robin- son to draw up an ordinance to this effect. IV. MUNICIPAL BUILDING: Y"r. Minger asked for a decision on the Municipal Bualaing. Mr. Bernstein, Finance Director, stated that the Town in now in a bad cash flow position and must have the Recre- ation District money if the Town is to start the construction of the new building this summer. The Recreation District is in dept to the Town for a considerable amount of money and it may be necessary for the Recreation District to issue some Bonds in order to pay for this indebtedness. 1�r. Robinson advised that there has been no for- seeability of the Recreation District to repay the loans from the town and that the Town had subsidized the district beyond its author- ity. This is a very serious lending situation where there is no means of collecting the debt. Mr. Bernstein presented his ten year expenditure program for the Recreation District: Plan A: To issue no bonds, the Recreation District would • have no capital to operate with and no means to pay its indebitness to the Town. Plan B: Issue $100,000 in'Bonds--$30,000 to be paid to the Town and the balance for improvements in the Recreation District. Plan C: Issue $150,000 in Bonds-485,000 to be paid to the Town and the balance for improvements in the Recreation District. Within seven years, under Plan C, the Recreation District should be able to pay its own way. For the seven years, the Town would con- tinue to subsidize the District but would be a smaller amount each year. After the seven year period, the District could start paying the Town ---within ten years, the Recreation District would be free and clear. Mr. Dan Herrington of Boetcher and. Co. has been contacted r:.nd he feels tie can sell the bonds. Mr. Robinson felt that there should be no guarantee that the Town could absolutely carry the ,recreation District. her. T�inger stated that he would not okay any ,,ore monies to the Recreation District until something definite is settled. Mr. Bernstein will be completing the projection but at the present the Board should consider whether the Town should build the F•unicipal Building (which continges on whether or not the debt service money will be available). Trustee Bailey reported that he had gotten toy=,ether with Mr. Carver and Todd Anderson to take a look at the plans and decide where corners could be cut. Trustee Bailey read the letter from Carver stating where and how much reductions on the cost could be. Carver felt that the cost would increase greatly if it was bid again next vear. Trustee Bailey advised that it could be bid mid -winter and maybe get more mountain contracters to bid. Trustee Todd Anderson had recommended by phone that we rebid during the x winter and award the bid in the spring with plans to modify the build- ing. It was further suggested that the Town could try to bid along with the Post Office Building. It was also felt that the Architects' estimates would have to be considerable higher. Poll: Trustee White felt that the Board should set a definite date to re -bid; Trustee Bailey felt that it should be re -bid; Trustee Donovan felt that it should be re -bid; Trustee Steinberg felt that it should be re -bid in mid -winter. The schedule was set to rebid in mid -January and award bids by mid -March. V. OTHER BUSIiTESS: Mr. ►finger reported that the new bus station will be moved over to the new location by the end of next week. mayor Dobson queried as to what further study of the parking situation was desired. It was decided to discuss the matter with Vail Associ- ates and as for reserved parking --•no overnite parking; applications for reserved parking should be in by a set date and then drawn by lot. Further discussion of this subject is to be put on the agenda for the next- Board Neeting. With no further business the meeting was adjourned at 12:45 P.M. •