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iINUTES OF THE JOINT rAEETING
OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES
AND THE VAIL PLANNING C0;•1r•tISSION
AUGUST 5, 1970
VAIL MNICIPAL OFFICES
The meeting was brought to order by Planning Commission Chairman,
Rodney Slifer, at 10:15 A.M.
MOLL CALL found the following members present:
Planning. Commission:
Board of Trustees
Others Present
Absent:
Chairman Rodney Slifer
John Donovan
Bob Clark
Dave Gorsuch
John Dobson
�4ayor John Dobson
Perry White
John Donovan
Thomas Steinber,g
Terrell J. Minger
Lawrence Robinson
Stanley Bernstein
Todd Anderson
Clay Freeman
I. SET BACK CONSIDERATION IN COMMERCIAL COME AREAS I AND II: It
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was explzined that the present Ordinance reouires setbacks in both
Core Areas (CC Area I being the Village, and CC Area II being Vail
LionsHead). P'r. Slifer queried the reasoning behind the set back
reauirem.ents for the existing Commercial Core Area. He also stated
that those property owners with area to expand will be hindered by
the Ordinance and those existing buildings are already built to the
property line. r4r. rfinger commented that CC Areas I and II are two
different and distinct animals and should be treated as such. "+r.
"Finger called for comments from. rTr. Gerry White --he had been on the
Planning Commission when the Ordinance was drafted. Trustee Tdhite
stated that it was the thinking of the Planning; Commission at the
time the Ordinance was drafted that it would act as a safety against
the problems being: experienced in CC Area, I. As Trustee GJhite saw it,
the whole problem is one of density. The two existing ways of solv-
ing the problem was with setback requirements and FAR. He mentioned
the ace overhang:, snow removal and areas where no sun could reach thus
piling up of ice and snow which constitutes a great problem in the
village and it was their intention to solve these problems in Commer-
cial Core Area II with the Set Back F.eauirements. Another considera-
tion was the fire protection between buildings. It was sited by Mr.
Minger that the Rosenquiste Buildings I & II and the Edelwiese build-
ing are the main properties in question of the set back requirement
in Commercial Core I. Mr. Minger sited the Gaynor "'tiller---rountain
Hausas an example of the Community wrath --when a building is allowed
to be built right up to the property line you must contend with con-
struction problems; materials on the street, tearing up the street
•and stoping traffic. Preservation of the stream was also taken into
consideration when the Ordinance was written. Bob Clark did not feel
the Ordinance should be changed as long as there is a Wariance Board
to consider individual cases. Rodney Slifer queried as to whether
property owners were notified when such decisions were made. Mr.
Slifer was assured by Trustee White that it was publicly ., announced
and that there had been a sizeable representation at the meetings and
that Mr. Clay Simons was present to represent Vail Associates at
these meetings. It was the general consensus of the two Boards that
it was better for a building; to go a story higher than to permit it
to be built right out to the street. Mr. Gorsuch felt that it was
the responsibility of the Board to look down the road some five to
twenty years and try to set rules in the best interest of conditions
as they may come to exist and to prevent past mistakes from reoccurr-
ing. Mr. Slifer was in favor of control through the PAP, instead
of set backs. Trustee White felt that the present FAR should be re-
considered and if possible lowered. *+avor Dobson felt that it should
be a package deal with the set backs regulating the ground density
and the PAR regulating the air density. Mr. ringer presented the
Official Zoning Map and the following changes were discussed and con-
sidered: It was suggested that the BAR. be 1.25 rather than 1.5 in
the Commercial Core and HDMF areas. It was further suggested that
this change be brought up at the next regular meeting of the Board of
Trustees. It was decided to have a joint meeting on Monday, the 10th
of August
II. GAYNOR P!ILLER, PARKING LOT QUESTIOI%T: Mr. Miller addressed the
Board and introduced Mr. Gary Clark, one of the partners in the
Iountain Haus Project. Air. Miller presented his parking problem in
connection with the Mountain Haus and asked the feasibility of under-
ground parking between the Mountain Haus and the Wedel Inn with a
lease consideration. The people involved in the Mountain Haus were
willing to pay for part of the costs in such a project. Mayor Dobson
queried the number of cars involved. Mr. Miller felt that about 40
cars could be accommodated. mayor Dobson stated that this land was
Dedicated Public Land and this would set a serious president as to
use of Public Land. T?r. Robinson, Town Attorney, stated that in the
terms of the Dedication, the Town does not have the right to allow
such a construction. Mayor Dobson assured that some sort of reserved
parking would be available in the New Main Parking Lot on a first -
come, first -served basis. Mr. ringer stated that Structured Parking
will be the most feasible answer to the problem and consideration has
been given and will be given further consideration in the near future,
�Ir. Clark of the Mountain Haus advised that there would be a gentle-
man in today who has a rather unique new terraced parking construc-
tion and would like to have him look at the sites in question and
then present a more fixed plan with cost figures.
III. BUILDING CODE CONSIDERATION: Mr. Charles Bynum, Town Building*
Official, din not reel that adoption of the 1970 UBC would be ad-
visvisable at this time; would be better timed to do so in the fall.
Mr. Bynum further recommended an amendment to the Building Code to
•substitute the wording of the 1970 Code for that of the 1967 in re-
lation to kitchen window requirements. tlayor Dobson asked Mr. Robin-
son to draw up an ordinance to this effect.
IV. MUNICIPAL BUILDING: Y"r. Minger asked for a decision on the
Municipal Bualaing. Mr. Bernstein, Finance Director, stated that
the Town in now in a bad cash flow position and must have the Recre-
ation District money if the Town is to start the construction of the
new building this summer. The Recreation District is in dept to
the Town for a considerable amount of money and it may be necessary
for the Recreation District to issue some Bonds in order to pay for
this indebtedness. 1�r. Robinson advised that there has been no for-
seeability of the Recreation District to repay the loans from the
town and that the Town had subsidized the district beyond its author-
ity. This is a very serious lending situation where there is no
means of collecting the debt. Mr. Bernstein presented his ten year
expenditure program for the Recreation District:
Plan A: To issue no bonds, the Recreation District would
• have no capital to operate with and no means to
pay its indebitness to the Town.
Plan B: Issue $100,000 in'Bonds--$30,000 to be paid to the
Town and the balance for improvements in the
Recreation District.
Plan C: Issue $150,000 in Bonds-485,000 to be paid to the
Town and the balance for improvements in the
Recreation District.
Within seven years, under Plan C, the Recreation District should be
able to pay its own way. For the seven years, the Town would con-
tinue to subsidize the District but would be a smaller amount each
year. After the seven year period, the District could start paying
the Town ---within ten years, the Recreation District would be free
and clear. Mr. Dan Herrington of Boetcher and. Co. has been contacted
r:.nd he feels tie can sell the bonds. Mr. Robinson felt that there
should be no guarantee that the Town could absolutely carry the
,recreation District. her. T�inger stated that he would not okay any
,,ore monies to the Recreation District until something definite is
settled. Mr. Bernstein will be completing the projection but at the
present the Board should consider whether the Town should build the
F•unicipal Building (which continges on whether or not the debt service
money will be available). Trustee Bailey reported that he had gotten
toy=,ether with Mr. Carver and Todd Anderson to take a look at the
plans and decide where corners could be cut. Trustee Bailey read the
letter from Carver stating where and how much reductions on the cost
could be. Carver felt that the cost would increase greatly if it
was bid again next vear. Trustee Bailey advised that it could be bid
mid -winter and maybe get more mountain contracters to bid. Trustee
Todd Anderson had recommended by phone that we rebid during the
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winter and award the bid in the spring with plans to modify the build-
ing. It was further suggested that the Town could try to bid along
with the Post Office Building. It was also felt that the Architects'
estimates would have to be considerable higher. Poll: Trustee White
felt that the Board should set a definite date to re -bid; Trustee
Bailey felt that it should be re -bid; Trustee Donovan felt that it
should be re -bid; Trustee Steinberg felt that it should be re -bid in
mid -winter. The schedule was set to rebid in mid -January and award
bids by mid -March.
V. OTHER BUSIiTESS: Mr. ►finger reported that the new bus station will
be moved over to the new location by the end of next week. mayor
Dobson queried as to what further study of the parking situation
was desired. It was decided to discuss the matter with Vail Associ-
ates and as for reserved parking --•no overnite parking; applications
for reserved parking should be in by a set date and then drawn by
lot. Further discussion of this subject is to be put on the agenda
for the next- Board Neeting.
With no further business the meeting was adjourned at 12:45 P.M.
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