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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1972-09-15 Town Council Minutes* MINUTES SPECIAL JOINT MEETING TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF VAIL _ AND THE VAIL PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 15, 1972 A special joint meeting of the Town Council, of the Town of Vail and the Vail Planning Commission was convened at 10:30 a.m. , September 15, 1972, in the Conference Room of the Vail Municipal Building. Mayor John Dobson and the following councilmen were present: Richard Bailey John Donovan Joseph Langmaid Tom Steinberg Chairman Bob Clark and the following members of the Planning Commission were present: Dave Gorsuch Jim 5levin Terrell J. Minger, Town Manager, was also present. The Mayor explained thatthe development plan for the Pulls property had been changed and that representatives of the planning group were present to explain the changes. A member of this group began his presentation with the statement that the reduction of densities would affect adversly the amount and quality of amenities 'that they could build. In the new plan the HDMF zones had been consolidated into one area with an F.A.R. of .75 to 1; the MF zone would have an F.A.R. of .5 to 1 ..A drawing of -the recreaw- tionai facilities they propose was explained". In regard to the, proposed amphitheater, it had not yet been determined who would own the Facility; . the parking would be under the mall with additional parking gained through trade-offs with facilities that were not in use at the same time. Although the proposed pool areas would not. be private and for the use of only one building, it has not yet been determined whether they would supplement other facilities available in town. Trustee Donovanquestioned whether they had reduced densities by including part of the land that formerly was dedicated to the town in their calculations; the answer was affirmative, 3 acres had been included. The population to be generated was estimated at 3000 in a little under 800 housing units. Mr. Minger, noted that although the group was considering taking some of the green belt, they were building amenities on this land. This could be valuable if an agreement were made that such amenities must be built. A representative of the group noted that commercial development would be of a type to support the area itself; shops, a restaurant, deli, etc. Another member of the group interjected that the actual density would be lower than it appears because pools, etc. , are included in the F.A.R. The convention facility they are contemplating "would accommodate 700 to 300 people; it would probably be handled by the hotel firm located in the area. The amphitheater would be for the summer' only; an open-air facility. Councilman Bailey stated that he would find it necessary.to abstain from any vote or discussions on this particular matter -as Slifer and Company are agents for Vail Valley, Inc. Mayor Dobson noted that the publiq. hearing had been re -scheduled For October •. 17. As there were no further questions; at this juncture the planning; group left the meeting, Mr. Minger gave his view that it was a very good idea to trade the open space for amenities built by the developer rather than,the town. Mr. Slevin suggested that an attempt be made to lower the density by 1/3_'. while keeping these amenities. Mayor Dobson concurred that the town cannot i indefinitely provide amenities For developments. Councilman Donovan disagreed; he thought the expense of the amenities to the town would be worth it if the density could be lowered by 1500 or, 1000 people. Mr. Minger noted that as the property.is now zoned, the same density as proposed in the new plan is allowable, while the amenities have not been provided. Councilman Steinberg noted that 3000 beds Would probably exceed the number, of additional skier beds needed.. Mr. Clark noted that the developer would need amenities to sell his project. He suggested that they be allowed to keep portions of the areas zoned "A," but that these areas remain "A" zoned, allowing the building of amenities only. Council man Langmaid suggested that money be required in an escrow account that would guarantee the building of these facilities. Mr. Slevin reiterated that. he thought it would be financially possible for the developer to reduce the densities and still build the amenities. Mayor Dobson suggested that when a definitive maximum were set for skier capacity, much of the reduction of planned density would occur automatically. Mr. Minger, noted that. a first step might be for Vail Associates to present their Mountain Master Plan to the group. Also, it might be appropriate to comment to the Forest . Service on the desires of the town as related to developments on the mountain. Ernst Larese had submitted a plan for parking at the Cornice Building. Problems existed in that the cars would have to back onto Gore Creek Drive and also he did not have the required aisle width. Councilman Steinberg suggested that to avoid the danger of backing, he be encouraged to have fewer spaces and have a pull -through driveway. Mr. Minger suggested that this be considered at the meeting on Tuesday night. Additional items brought forward included: 1 . a check should be made that all restaurants have their, air vents elevated; 2, the rule that all parking lots be paved should be more strictly enforced; a. four new planning commission members need to be appointed; 4. a problem with speeding .exists on Beaver Dam Road which the police should undertake to handle; "5. members of -the Council might be interested in protesting to the County Planning. Commission the approval of a KOA campground near Dowd Junction with many safety and other hazards. Mr. Minger noted that by law the town is entitled to com- ment on any proposed subdivision within two miles of the town boundaries. The administrative staff has set "up a procedure for the review of all plats. There was general agreement that these reviews should be conducted and. letters sent with the findings to the County Planning Commission. Perhaps proposals outside the two-mile radius could also be reviewed. Mr. Lamont added the point of information that -the state now enforces the Uniform Build- ing Code and issues building permits. it Mr. Clark suggested that a meeting be held with the variance board, especially to discuss the set -back variances that were granted in L.ionshead. Mr'. Minger noted that he has instructed the new building inspector not to take a matter to this board unless a real hardship, other than financial, exists. A request for an F.A.R. variance had been received for the Williams residence. Mayor Dobson noted that the.bulk is already in existence in the form of a garage and that parking is available elsewhere. A decision on this matter can be reached at the Tuesday meeting. Additional points of information included that: 1 . work has begun on the budget fo.r next year; currently each department is formulating goals; 2. a letter .has been. sent to the owners of the Antholz. property stating that the town is interested in purchasing the entire parcel; also, two MAI appraisers have been hired .to appraise the property who will report in about 45 days. As there was no further business, the meeting adjourned at 12:20 p.m. lh Page 2