HomeMy WebLinkAbout1972-09-15 Town Council Minutes* MINUTES
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING
TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF VAIL
_ AND THE VAIL PLANNING COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 15, 1972
A special joint meeting of the Town Council, of the Town of Vail and the
Vail Planning Commission was convened at 10:30 a.m. , September 15,
1972, in the Conference Room of the Vail Municipal Building.
Mayor John Dobson and the following councilmen were present:
Richard Bailey
John Donovan
Joseph Langmaid
Tom Steinberg
Chairman Bob Clark and the following members of the Planning Commission
were present:
Dave Gorsuch
Jim 5levin
Terrell J. Minger, Town Manager, was also present.
The Mayor explained thatthe development plan for the Pulls property had
been changed and that representatives of the planning group were present
to explain the changes. A member of this group began his presentation
with the statement that the reduction of densities would affect adversly the
amount and quality of amenities 'that they could build. In the new plan the
HDMF zones had been consolidated into one area with an F.A.R. of .75 to
1; the MF zone would have an F.A.R. of .5 to 1 ..A drawing of -the recreaw-
tionai facilities they propose was explained". In regard to the, proposed
amphitheater, it had not yet been determined who would own the Facility; .
the parking would be under the mall with additional parking gained through
trade-offs with facilities that were not in use at the same time. Although
the proposed pool areas would not. be private and for the use of only one
building, it has not yet been determined whether they would supplement
other facilities available in town. Trustee Donovanquestioned whether
they had reduced densities by including part of the land that formerly was
dedicated to the town in their calculations; the answer was affirmative, 3
acres had been included. The population to be generated was estimated at
3000 in a little under 800 housing units. Mr. Minger, noted that although
the group was considering taking some of the green belt, they were building
amenities on this land. This could be valuable if an agreement were made
that such amenities must be built. A representative of the group noted that
commercial development would be of a type to support the area itself; shops,
a restaurant, deli, etc. Another member of the group interjected that the
actual density would be lower than it appears because pools, etc. , are
included in the F.A.R. The convention facility they are contemplating "would
accommodate 700 to 300 people; it would probably be handled by the hotel
firm located in the area. The amphitheater would be for the summer' only;
an open-air facility.
Councilman Bailey stated that he would find it necessary.to abstain from any
vote or discussions on this particular matter -as Slifer and Company are
agents for Vail Valley, Inc.
Mayor Dobson noted that the publiq. hearing had been re -scheduled For October •.
17. As there were no further questions; at this juncture the planning; group
left the meeting, Mr. Minger gave his view that it was a very good idea to
trade the open space for amenities built by the developer rather than,the town.
Mr. Slevin suggested that an attempt be made to lower the density by 1/3_'.
while keeping these amenities. Mayor Dobson concurred that the town cannot
i indefinitely provide amenities For developments. Councilman Donovan
disagreed; he thought the expense of the amenities to the town would be
worth it if the density could be lowered by 1500 or, 1000 people. Mr.
Minger noted that as the property.is now zoned, the same density as
proposed in the new plan is allowable, while the amenities have not been
provided. Councilman Steinberg noted that 3000 beds Would probably
exceed the number, of additional skier beds needed.. Mr. Clark noted
that the developer would need amenities to sell his project. He suggested
that they be allowed to keep portions of the areas zoned "A," but that these
areas remain "A" zoned, allowing the building of amenities only. Council
man Langmaid suggested that money be required in an escrow account that
would guarantee the building of these facilities. Mr. Slevin reiterated that.
he thought it would be financially possible for the developer to reduce the
densities and still build the amenities. Mayor Dobson suggested that when
a definitive maximum were set for skier capacity, much of the reduction
of planned density would occur automatically. Mr. Minger, noted that. a
first step might be for Vail Associates to present their Mountain Master
Plan to the group. Also, it might be appropriate to comment to the Forest .
Service on the desires of the town as related to developments on the mountain.
Ernst Larese had submitted a plan for parking at the Cornice Building.
Problems existed in that the cars would have to back onto Gore Creek Drive
and also he did not have the required aisle width. Councilman Steinberg
suggested that to avoid the danger of backing, he be encouraged to have
fewer spaces and have a pull -through driveway. Mr. Minger suggested
that this be considered at the meeting on Tuesday night. Additional items
brought forward included: 1 . a check should be made that all restaurants
have their, air vents elevated; 2, the rule that all parking lots be paved
should be more strictly enforced; a. four new planning commission members
need to be appointed; 4. a problem with speeding .exists on Beaver Dam Road
which the police should undertake to handle; "5. members of -the Council
might be interested in protesting to the County Planning. Commission the
approval of a KOA campground near Dowd Junction with many safety and
other hazards. Mr. Minger noted that by law the town is entitled to com-
ment on any proposed subdivision within two miles of the town boundaries.
The administrative staff has set "up a procedure for the review of all plats.
There was general agreement that these reviews should be conducted and.
letters sent with the findings to the County Planning Commission. Perhaps
proposals outside the two-mile radius could also be reviewed. Mr. Lamont
added the point of information that -the state now enforces the Uniform Build-
ing Code and issues building permits.
it Mr. Clark suggested that a meeting be held with the variance board, especially
to discuss the set -back variances that were granted in L.ionshead. Mr'. Minger
noted that he has instructed the new building inspector not to take a matter to
this board unless a real hardship, other than financial, exists. A request
for an F.A.R. variance had been received for the Williams residence. Mayor
Dobson noted that the.bulk is already in existence in the form of a garage and
that parking is available elsewhere. A decision on this matter can be reached
at the Tuesday meeting. Additional points of information included that: 1 .
work has begun on the budget fo.r next year; currently each department is
formulating goals; 2. a letter .has been. sent to the owners of the Antholz.
property stating that the town is interested in purchasing the entire parcel;
also, two MAI appraisers have been hired .to appraise the property who will
report in about 45 days.
As there was no further business, the meeting adjourned at 12:20 p.m.
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