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MINUTES
REGU LAR MEETING
TOWN COUNCI L FOR THE TOWN OF VAI L
OCTOBER 3, 1972 .
A regular meeting of the Town Council of the Town of Vailwas convened at
7:40 p.m., October 3, 1972, in the Council Room of the Vail Municipal
Building.
Mayor John A. Dobson and the following councilmen were present:
Richard Bailey
Joseph Langmaid
Thomas Steinberg
Also present were:
Terrell Minger, Town Manager
Lawrence B. Robinson,. Town Attorney
The meeting was first convened with the Council acting as the Local Liquor
Licensing Authority. Bridgewater Inn, Inc. had filed for a beer, wine and
liquor license, the premises to be located in part of the Lionsquare Lodge,
Lot 1, Vail Lionshead, First Filing.. Town Clerk Minger noted that the
necessary information had been received, and"the necessary fees paid. Mr.
Robinson noted that there were no negative findings reported by the police
department. Some letters had been received in favor of the application; no
letters against the application had been roceived. The Mayor read the Colo-
rado statutes applicable to the hearing. Mr. S. Douglas McLaughlin appeared
representing the applicant. He presented to the Council three petitions in
favor of the application. Mr. McLaughlin also asked the Council to take note
of the previous licenses granted in the area and the testimony previously given
as to the statistics of the area. Town Clerk Minger swore in Mr. William
John Monsour, Mr. William James Cunningham, Mr. Warren E. Klug and
Ms. Jane Madeleine Feller. Mr. Cunningham testified that he is a 50% owner
in the restaurant corporation and also a general and limited partner in the
firm which developer the property. The lodge in which the :restaurant is
proposed to be located has an overnight capacity of 400. Mr. Cunningham
has no restaurant experience and will function basically as an investor in the
corporation. There are 78 parking spaces above ground and 58 spaces under-
ground at the location. The. fact that some of the lodging facilities near the
premises will have no restaurant facility was cited as demonstrating the need
for the facility. Mr. Cunningham is not an officer of the corporation; he is a
member of the board. He is over 21 and has, never committed a felony,
Mr. Monsour testified that he is a 25% owner and also the President and
Treasurer of the Bridgewater Inn, Inc. He wilt be the manager of the proposed
restaurant. He gave his experience in the restaurant business, including the
fact that he has a degree in hotel and restaurant management. They propose a
30-seat cocktail lounge and a 70--seat dining facility. It is hoped they can
stay open 12 months a year. Mr. Monsour noted that the health inspector had
reviewed their plans and suggested some changes, which will be made. He is
over 21 and has never committed a felony. Mr. Klug is the operations manager
of the Lionsquare Lodge. He is a 25% stockholder and secretary of the corpor-
ation. He is also a member of the Board of Directors., It was his opinion that,
as there will be over 1700 beds in the Lionshead area, there is a demonstrated
need for the restaurant. He is over 21 and has never committed a felony. Ms.
Feller testified that she is a secretary and reservationist for Lionsquare Lodge.
From her experience working in the area, she feels there is a need for the
faci lity.
As there were no further questions of the witnesses, Mr. McLaughlin asked
that the license be granted to Bridgewater Inn, Inc. Mayor Dobson stated that
the decision will be given in writing within 30 days and a certified copy will
be mailed to the applicants. The Local Liquor Licensing Authority adjourned
at8:15p.m.
The meeting convened as the. Town Council at 8:15 p.m. The first item on
the agenda was the ratification, as required by the Home Rule Charter, of
the positions of Town Manager, Town Attorney and Municipal Judge and
their incumbents, Mr. Minger, Mr. Robinson and Mr. Gerard. Councilman
Steinberg moved that the positions be ratified; Councilman Bailey seconded;
ratification was unanimous. The Town Manager nextratified certain town
employees: Linda R. Hall, Town Clerk; Mike DiMiceli, Police Chief;
Stanley F. Bernstein, Director of Finance and Administration; Kent Rose,
Town Engineer; Jerry Aldrich, Chief Building Official; Pete Burnett,
Superintendent of Public Works; James Lamont, Administrative Assistant
to the Town Manager.
Mayor Dobson explained the proposed leasing of private property for parking
facilities for the forthcoming winter. The Council was polled as to whether
they had read and understood the ordinance; Councilman Langmaid answered
that he had, Councilman Bailey answered that he had; Councilman Steinberg
answered that he had: Councilman Bailey moved that Ordinance No. 13 (Series
of 1972) AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE TOWN OF VAIL TO LEASE
CERTAIN PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN OF VAIL TO BE USED
AS A MUNICIPAL PARKING FACILITY; DETERMINING THAT SAID REAL
PROPERTY SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM ALL AD VALOREM REAL
PROPERTY TAXES; AND SETTING FORTH MATTERS AND DETAILS IN
• RELATION THERETO be published; Councilman Steinberg seconded; approval
was unanimous.
An ordinance regarding the uniform building code was next considered. Mr.
Aldrich explained that the term "loft" is not defined in this code and the
definition for "mezzaine" does not cover the case adequately. Thus, the
purpose of the ordinance is to define "loft" and how it should be treated.
Mayor Dobson indicated that he thought the ordinance should be studied
before the second reading. The Council was polled as to whether they had
read and understood the ordinance; Councilman Langmaid indicated that he
had; Councilman Bailey indicated that he had; Councilman Steinberg indicated
that he had. Councilman Langmaid inquired whether the provision for shaft
ventilation only applied to new buildings; the re -construction required would
make it difficult to enforce for already constructed buildings. However, a
new health ordinance could remedy some. of the existing problems. .Council-
man Steinberg moved that Ordinance No. 14 (Series of 1972) AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING.ORDINANCE NO. 6 (Series of 1971) REFERRING TO THE UNI-
FORM BUILDING CODE ANDaMAKING,ADDITIONS THERETO; AND SETTING
FORTH DETAi LS IN RELATION TO THE FOREGOING be published; Council
is man Langmaid seconded; approval: was unanimous.
Mr. Minger explained that each year at this time the Town.has a cash flow
problem and 'the need to borrow funds arises.. Mr. Robinson suggested that
this could be adopted as an emergency ordinance; -however, the Council was
hesitant to use an emergency ordinance unless it were absolutely necessary.
As the need was not that critical, it was agreed to treat the matter in a,
regular ordinance. Councilman Langmaid indicated that he had read and
understood the ordinance; Councilman Bailey indicated that he had read and
understood; Councilman Steinberg indicated that he had read and understood.
Councilman Bailey moved that Ordinance No. 15 (Series of 1972) AN ORDINANCE
AUTHORIZING MUNICIPAL BORROWING OF MONEY IN AN AMOUNT NOT
TO EXCEED $75,000.00 TO SO-PLEMENT THE GENERAL REVENUES FOR
THE FISCAL YEAR 1972; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND TOWN MANAGER
TO EXECUTE SHORT TERM NOTES TO EVIDENCE SUCH INDEBTEDNESS
FOR MUNICIPAL PURPOSES; AND SETTING FORTH MATTERS AND DETAILS
IN RELATION THERETO be published; Councilman Steinberg seconded; pas-
sage was unanimous.
Next on the agenda was consideration of a proposal to conduct a summer soccer
and training camp in Vail. Mr. Wachter of the Rocky Mountain Soccer. Associa-
tion is proposing to hold his camp in Vail in July or August. It would extend
over a three-week period, on week -days only. He would arrange his own
lodging and food facilities. The Town would provide the soccer field. Although
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the Vail soccer team is in favor of the arrangement, there could be some
problems with conflicting demands for the use of the field. There was
some discussion of whether the Town should charge for the use of the field.
However, charging for the field might increase the currently low cost to the .
�. student. Mayor Dobson suggested that Mr. Minger negotiate with Mr.
Wachter about details; a Firm decision will be made at the next meeting.
A Letter had been received From Eagle -Piney confirming their request for
$1,000 per month for the forthcoming year. As this had already been refer-
red to the budgetary sessions, no action was needed. Mr. Minger reported
that Vail Associates had agreed to spend $15,000 for a study of the District
Planning Area extending from the top of Vail Pass to"Wolcott. It: is possible.
that the general grant made by the Town of Vail to the County for planning
purposes should be allocated to this more specific project. In the selection
process for a County Planner, the field has been narrowed to 5 individuals.
The names of the individuals who have applied fora position on the Town
Planning Commission were read. The selection will be made on October 17,
with applications being accepted until October 10.
Mr. Minger reported that Mr. Jay Peterson had been hired to codify the
ordinances. All ordinances are .being evaluated in light of the Home Rule
Charter to determine whether they are necessary and desirable. In regard
to the up -coming budget preparation, each department has been requested
to submit a report on their goals and objectives. In this way, it can be
ascertained that the goals are in agreement with one another. A process
through which all proposed construction will be considered has been estab-
lished. In this manner, it is hoped to provide better direction and control
over development. Mr. Nott of Vail Associates commented that he thought'
the change to be a beneficial one. At this point, Mr. Nott explained a.problem
his firm has encountered, they are anxious to plat the. 13th Filing; however,
there is no Planning Commission at present before which they can make their
presentation. He suggested that some of the previous members of the Plan-
ning Commission be polled by the Council and the hearing .proceed before the
Council. Mr. Robinson noted that the final plat had not been received. until
September 20. Also, notice had never been given of any of the meetings that:
had been held. As a result of these factors, it could not be maintained that
the matter had been sufficiently considered. Mr. Robinson suggested that
tentative date be set for the hearing in anticipation of the appointment of the
new members of the Planning Commission, Mr. Nott was agreeable to this
suggestion.
Mr. Minger reported that Mr. Edeen, the sanitarian, is preparing an ordinance
that will require after -burners to be used in restaurants to prevent odors. In
regard to the program to lower speeding abuses in the Town, it was noted that
it may be necessary to purchase a speed gun. The cost and availability of this
equipment will be investigated. Mr. McLaughlin suggested that bicycle speed-
ing also be investigated. Additional reports concerned: 1 . the pirate ship
playground is nearing completion; 2. the new police uniforms and bicycle
patrol have received much publicity; 3, a suggested outline for a town brochure
has been prepared; 4, the Council is considering the development of a long-
term master plan for the town. There was some discussion of whether the
Vail Trail meets the requirements for legal publication; -this will be investigated,.
Although the formal hearing is not scheduled: until the next meeting, Ernst
Larese presented a revised parking proposal for the. Cornice building. Mayor
Dobson indicated this would be studied. The minutes for the meetings of
September 15 and September 19 had been previously submitted to the Council;'
Councilman Bailey moved they•be approved; Councilman Steinberg seconded;
approval was unanimous.
As there was no Further business, Councilman Steinberg moved the meeting
adjourn; Councilman Bailey seconded; adjournment was at 9:25 P.M.
Town Clerk
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MINUTES
WORK SESSION
TOWN COUNCIL. OF THE TOWN OF VAIL
OCTOBER 6, 1972
• A work session of the Town Council of the Town of Vail was convened at
10:30 a. m. , October 6, 1972, in the Conference Room of the Vail Muni-
cipal Building.
Mayor John A. Dobson and the following Councilmen were present.
Joseph Langmaid
Tom Steinberg
Gerry White
Also present was Terry Minger, Town Manager
Mr. Clancy and Mr. Brady, the new owners of the Pulis property, presented
their current plans for development. Items noted included: 1. they will be
doing considerable replantings of trees; 2. the first phase of their project
will be condominium townhouses to be started next May; 3. They have
closed on the property and formed a partnership as the development entity;
4. Gerald Phipps would be the contractor; 5. the current zoning of the
property was requested by the former owners. The developers pointed out
that as the property is currently zoned, 800,000 square feet of building
area is available. In their proposed rezoning they have consolidated the
HDMF area and reduced the area to be donated to the Town to 4 acres, all
of which is unbuildable even for amenities. The developer would be willing
to build amenities on the formerly dedicated land that they propose to retain.
This retained land would be included in their calculations of F.A.R.
Discussion centered on several points: 1. the road system and the status of
the golf course maintenance road; 2. a possible land trade between property
for the proposed amphitheater and land for golf course parking; 3. a possible
rope 'tow/beginners lift or sledding run in the far south-eastern portion of 'the
property. The developers noted that they might not want to dedicate the roadway
areas to the Town. The management association for the common areas in the
development would be responsible for the maintenance of the roads in that case.
Councilman Steinberg suggested that, even if not dedicated,. they would have
to be removed from the density calculations. As the developers were not
certain of the density of the proposed project if all. potentially dedicated areas,
were removed, Councilman Steinberg suggested that such a figure be calculated
before the next meeting. There was some discussion of whether the mountain
can handle the number of people contemplated as a result of this development.
Councilman White suggested that the developer dedicate to the town the amount
of land originally contemplated and then lease from the town to build the recce a-
tional facilities. Councilman Steinberg was of the opinion that the dedicated
land should not be used for the F.A.R. The developers reiterated that if the
land was not available for the F.A.R. , they could not afford to build the
amenities. Mr. Clancy and Mr. Brady indicated that they were willing to
contract to build the amenities; also, they would contract to the F.A.R. Is
of .5 to 1 and .75 to 1 . They will .not be selling the property to other developers.
Further discussion led to -the topic of the need for a PUD provision stating
that when "x" units were built, "x" amenities would also be completed under
penalty of ceasing construction. General agreement was reached 'that the
desirable situation would be for the land to be dedicated to the Town and
then leased to the developer for the construction of amenities. Whether this
land would be calculated in the F.A.R. needs -to be negotiated. The amount
of land in roadways and dedicated open space which they would like to include
is 360,000 square feet. The need for co-ordination between the health club
operation and the golf club was discussed, as Was the need for a guarantee of
public use of all the amenities.
Mayor Dobson stated that he felt a bad precedent would be set if the developer
were allowed not to dedicate the roadways and received an F.A.R, credit for
them; there was general agreement with this statement. If their desire was
to have the roadways maintained at a higher level than those in the rest of
the town, they could always give the Town extra monies to. accomplish this
end. Councilman Langmaid noted that another danger, would be that a.group
of property owners might decide to close a thoroughfare if these were in
private ownership.
Mr. Minger noted that perhaps not all necessary preparations would be
completed prior to the meeting scheduled for October 17. In addition,
several councilmen would be absent for that meeting. If the meeting were.
held, it would be doubtful that any decision could be made. The developers'
were prefer to agree on the 17th that they would build "x" amenities in
exchange for "x" amount of building square footage. Mr. Manger cautioned
that the potential legal problems are going to take some time to work out.
It was suggested that they could begin work on their, Phase I without complete
agreement reached as it is a low -density area.
Councilman White calculated that the 260,000 square feet of dedicated land for
which they are asking credit would allow the developer to accommodate 300
to 400 more people. Although this figure may not be exact, there was general
agreement that this is the figure which is needed before a decision is reached.
. Mayor Dobson added that another pointof negotiation could be in regard to the.
uses around the golf clubhouse.
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There was some discussion of Whether the. meeting scheduled for the 17th
should be held. It was decided that meetings between the attorneys should
begin immediately; that discussions shout d be held with the;Recreation District
Board and that meetings should continue with the Council and Planning Com-
mission. There will be no hearing on the 17th.
As there was no further business, the meeting adjourned at 12:20 p.m.
Town Clerk
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