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REGULAR MEETING
TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF VAIL
NOVEMBER 7, 1972
A regular, meeting of the Town Counci l of the Town of Val I was convened at
7.40 p.m., November 7, 1972, in the Council Room of the Vail Municipal
Building.
Mayor John Dobson and the following Councilmen were present:
John Donovan
Joseph Langmaid
Josef StauFer
Gerry White
Also present were:
Terrell Minger, Town Manager
Lawrence Robinson, Town Attorney
Discussion first centered on the request for re -zoning from Mr. Clancy and
Mr. Brady, the new owners of the property known as the Pulis property. A
letter from the Planning Commission to the effect that the request be tabled
was read in full. Mr. Clancy indicated they would like the zoning change due
to the unfeasibility or undesirability of building in some of the areas currently
zoned for building. He noted that they have not changed the total buildable
sqaure Footage in each zone with their new plan; rather, they are -trying 'to
make 'the planning m6r4p logical and orderly. They would,prefer not -to wait
for the development of a P.U.D, ordinance as this eventuality might not occur.
Mr. Clark,Chairman of the Planning Commission, stated that it was his under-
standing that under the present zoning ordinancethe Town cannot legally enter
into contracts requiring the building of amenities. He also suggested that the
developers did not need a decision at present as their first stage is one of low
density. However, Mr. Clancy disagreed; the first stage is predicated on later
developments. In response to a question From Councilman Langmaid, Mr. Clancy
noted that dedicated open space in the present zoning is 530,000 square feet; in
their proposed new plan this has been reduced to 515,000 square feet. There
was some discussion of whether the Town can enter into an agreement For the
construction of amenities. Mr. Robinson felt attention should be focused on 'the
fact that experts are being hired to develop a definitive P.U.D. provision which
could be applied to this property. Mr: Clancy noted that they are wilting to sub-
mit the property to the P. U . D , provision, if developed. He acknowledged that
the inclusion of the additional 15,000 square feet did lower the density calcula-
tions.
A map of the amenities they propose was displayed and discussed. Mayor Dobson
inquired why the new plan is seen as better for the Town. Mr. Clancy felt that,
within their property, they have provided the type of comprehensive planning that
the Town is attempting to establish throughout its jurisdiction. In regard to what
portions of -the new plan could not be constructed under the old zoning, Mr. Clancy
noted that the new plan allows for the transfer of densities, enabling them to
concentrate density in one portion of a large zone. Councilman White noted that
under a P.U.D. ordinance this transfer would be possible; however, in that case,
the town would be able to control the placement of the densities. There was some
discussion of the effect of lowering densities on the proposed recreational amenities.
The quantity of amenities needed for the quantity of.beds planned was also discussed.
Mayor Dobson suggested that the recommendation from the Planning Commission
to table be accepted with the understanding that discussions will be continued.
Mr. Robinson cautioned that the zoning ordinance requires a decision within 90
days of the public hearing. Councilman White noted that it would be necessary
for -the developers to request that they be put under a P. U . D. provision. Mr.
Clark noted that the small area or HDMF on the original zoning map was included
in order to obtain the uses only. Mr. Jensen, attorney for the developers,
reiterated some points relating to their willingness to commit to building
amenities and to submit to a P.U.D., if adopted. Secondly, he noted that they
cannot begin their first phase without a decision on the total project due -to SEC
registration requirements. However, three months' delay would not cause
problems for them. Councilman Staufer noted that as a great deal of money
is going to be spent on the master plan, it seems most logical to wait until
some conclusions have been reached in that regard. Councilman Donovan moved.
that the request be tabled and a decision made on January 15. There was general
agreement with this motion.
Next to be considered was a proposed plat of Vail Village, 13th Filing. Maps of
the area were displayed and various statistics relative to the region given. It
was noted that a suggestion has been made to locate a private school in the area.
The Planning Commission has approved this plat. After some discussion,
Councilman White moved that the plat of.the Vail Village 13th Filing be approved;
Councilman Staufer seconded; approval was unanimous. In regard to a condi-
tional use permit to allow a private school site on Agricultural -zoned land,
there was some discussion. of the ecological impact of locating such a facility,
in that area; also, of the various geological factors involved. Mayor Dobson
suggested that before even a tentative decision were reached, the Planning Com-
mission should study the matter as well as the various administrative depart-
ments. There was general agreement with this suggestion.
A request had been received from Ernst Larese to operate a Fondue Stuber'l
restaurant. Mr. McLaughlin, his attorney, traced the history of the various
requests -they have made regarding a change of use of the Cornice Building.
It was their contention that the change of use would be advantageous to the Town
because: 1 . it would improve the exterior appearance of the building; 2. it
would reduce the large number of cars generated by the rental units in the build-
ing; 3. it could provide a needed service in town. Mr. McLaughlin suggested
that if a variance were not granted it might be possible to build a large structure
on the buildable lot by using the 7,060 square feet currently leased to the Town,
but upon which they have exercised an option, for the F.A.R. The only dis-
advantage they could see in granting the variance was that a possibility would
exist of increased traffic congestion.
It was noted that four parking spaces would be required by ordinance if the down-
stairs were converted into a restaurant. They have sufficient land for those
spaces, however, they do not have proper turn-arounds. Mr. Minger thought
• that, realistically, even if the four spaces are provided, most customers are
going to park in the main lot. Further discussion ensued. of the comparative
advantages and disadvantages of the present use of the building. Concern was
expressed regarding possible difficulties arising because of the proximity of
the building to the proposed parking structure. Councilman Langmaid expressed
the opinion that if any variance were granted, he.would prefer that it be to waive
the parking requirement entirety rather than allow the unsatisfactory ingress and
egress. Mayor Dobson inquired if it :were possible to grant a variance tied to a
certain use; if the use changed, the variance would be cancelled. It was agreed
that this might be possible. Discussion continued of the possible undesirable
precedents that might be set. Mr. Minger suggested- that perhaps Mr. `Larese
be required to lease four or five spaces in the main tot each year, until the char-
acter of that lot changes. Councilman Staufer noted that if everyone who would
desire such an arrangement were accommodated, the entire lot would be teased.
Following further discussion, Mayor Dobson suggested the request be denied
until the Council addressed the larger parking problems. It was suggested to
Mr. Larese that he attempt to lease private land for parking. Councilman
Langmaid moved 'that the parking variance request for the Cornice Building be
denied; Councilman Donovan seconded; the motion carried unanimously. It was
emphasized that this denial applied only to'those requests made to date.
Mr. Mauri Nottingham had submitted his resignation from the Sign Review Board.
Councilman Donovan moved it be accepted; Councilman White seconded; the motion
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unanimously carried. The minutes of the meeting of October 17, 1972, had
been previously sent to the Council. Councilman Staufer moved the minutes
be approved; Councilman White seconded; approval was unanimous. Several
informational items had been distributed to the Council which engendered
some discussion. As there was no further business, Councilman Staufer
moved the Town Council be adjourned at 10:15 p.m., Councilman Donovan
seconded, approval was unanimous.
The meeting convened as the Local Liquor Licensing Authority at 10:15 p.m.
Applications for corporate changes had been received from Golden Peak
Restaurants, Inc. and Vail Lions Head Restaurants, Inc. Councilman White
moved both changes be approved; Councilman Langmaid seconded; approval
was unanimous.
As •there was no further business, the Local Liquor Licensing Authority adjourned'
at 10!20 p.m.
Town Clerk
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November 7, 1972
To The Members of the Town Council:
This letter is in reference to the Planning Commission recommendation
concerning the re -zoning request for the property known as the Pulls
property.
It is the recommendation of the Planning Commission that this request
be tabled and that no action be taken by the Town Council at this time.
Our recommendation is based upon the following considerations:
1. The contemplated revision of the Zoning Ordinance
in the near future;
2. The creation of a Planned Unit Development provision
in the new Zoning Ordinance. We feel that this particular
property would qualify under the contemplated PUD provision.
3. The anticipated outcome of the master planning study and
the subsequent master plan for the community.
The Planning Commission would be witting, however, to consider this
re -zoning request subject to the revision of the zoning ordinance and the
completion of the master plan.
Sincerely,
Bob Clark
Chairman
Planning Commission