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VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
21 NOVEMBER 1978
7:30 P.M.
1. PRESENTATION OF COMMUNITY SIGNAGE PROGRAM
ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
2. Ordinance No. 38, Series of 1978, second reading, enabling
the Town Council to borrow up to $300,000 for working
capital.
3. Ordinance No. 39, Series of 1978, second reading, limiting
the maximum duration of continuous parking in the Vail
Transportation Center.
4. Ordinance No. 40, Series of 1978, second reading, making a
. supplemental appropriation .from the Open Space/Capital
Improvements Fund for the purchase of the Gondola -'I Plaza.
5. Ordinance No. 41, Series of 1978, first reading, amending
the Vail Municipal Code by the addition of Chapter 8.28
relating to fireplaces.
6. Ordinance No. 42, Series of 1978, an emergency ordinance
amending Chapter 3.28 of the Vail Municipal Code relating
to the Policemen's Pension Fund.
7. Ordinance No. 43, Series of 1978, first reading, amending
Chapter 12.04 of the Vail Municipal Code relating to
excavation and street cut permits.
8. Ordinance No. 44, Series of 1978, first reading, imposing
zoning districts on the recently annexed Elmore parcels.
9. Resolution No. 28, Series of 1978, approving the Town's
leasing of certain equipment.
PRESENTATIONS
10. Brandess-Cadmus Real Estate, Inc. - appeal of Planning and
Environmental Commission denial of conditional use permit.
11. Gaynor Miller - appeal of Planning and Environmental Com-
mission approval of conditional use permit for Vail Mountain
School.
12. Town Manager - appeal of Design Review Board approval of
balcony modifications for Solar Vail Building, Lot 8, Block
2, Vail Potato Patch Filing No. 1.
13. Requests for street cuts.
TOWN MANAGER REPORTS
TOWN ATTORNEY REPORTS
0 CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
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MEMBERS PRESENT:
VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
.Regular Meeting
November 21, 1978
Mayor Rod Slifer
John Donovan
Scott Hopman
Tom Steinberg
Bob Ruder
Bill Wilto
Paula Palmateer
OTHERS: Stan Bernstein
Allen Gerstenberger
Gary Wall
Presentation of Community Signage Program. This was i:fitroducted by Allen
Gerstenberger who explained the history of it's inception. A representative
from Communications Arts, Boulder, explained the program in detail.
Ordinance No 38, Series of 1978, second reading. This is an ordinance
enabling the Town Council to borrow up to $300,000 for working capital.
Slifer then read the "title" into the record. Stan Bernstein gave a
more detailed explanation of the purpose -of the ordinance. As there
was no discussion, a motion was made by John Donovan to approve the
ordinance; seconded by Scott Hopman. A unanimous vote was recorded in
favor of the motion.
Ordinance No. 39, Series of 1978, second reading. This is an ordinance
limiting the maximum duration of continuous parking in the Vail
Transportation Center. A motion for approval was made by Bill Wilto;
seconded by Scott Hopman. A unanimous vote was recorded in favor.
Ordinance No. 40, Series of 1978, second reading. An ordinance making
a supplemental appropriation from the Open Space/Capital Improvements
Fund for the purchase of the Gondola I Plaza. It was noted that the
purchase price would be $250,000 and while the .Town would only be expending
$25,000 in 1978,State Statutes require that the Town appropriate the
entire sum. Tom Steinberg made a motion for approval; seconded by Bob
Ruder. A unanimous vote was recorded in favor of the motion.
Ordinance No. 41, Series of 1978, first reading. This is amending the
Vail Municipal Code by the addition of Chapter 8.28 relating to fireplaces.
Dennis Murphy, Environmental Health Officer, gave a detailed explanation
of the ordinance and its purpose which includes settizfg.a..pollutant::standard
index that would be put on the Vail Cable TV and set forth a voluntary
burning program. After a lengthy discussion,a motion was made by John
Donovan to continue Ordinance No. 41 until the next regular Council
meeting; seconded by Ruder. A unanimous vote was recorded to continue
discussion of this ordinance until the December 5th meeting.
Ordinance No. 42, Series of 1978, an emergency ordinance. This ordinance
would amend Chapter 12.04 of the Vail Municipal Code relating to the
Policemen's Pension Fund. Slifer read the "title" into the record. Gary
Wall gave a summary of the purpose of this ordinance.and the reason why
it must be passed as an emergency ordinance. Bill Wilto made a motion
for approval; seconded by John Donovan. A unanimous vote was recorded.
Vail Town Council
November 21, 1978
Page Two
Ordinance No. 43, Series of 1978, first reading. This ordinance would
amend Chapter 12.04 of the Vail Municipal Code relating to excavation
and street cut permits. Dan Corcoran gave an explanation and description
of the proposed ordinance. Clarification on the billings, who can obtain
a permit and administrating official of the Town are-. the three items
that are addressed in this ordinance. A lengthy discussion followed,in
which it was decided that the Town staff should take a look at the fee
schedule and the legal means of collection. John Donovan made a motion
for approval with the items outlined above; seconded by Steinberg. A
unanimous vote was recorded.
Ordinance No. 44, Series of 1978 first reading, imposing zoning
districts on the recently annexed Elmore parcels. Slifer pointed out
that at the work session it was decided with Mr. Elmore that any decision
by the Town Council would be extended for a period of 60 days, In
relation to the primary/secondary zoning, Mr. Elmore requested that the
Town Council go ahead and adopt the Ordinance in regard to that zone
district and extend for 60 days the other area which is approximately 12
acres. Slifer then read the "title" into the record. It was noted that
the total parcel is approximately 50 acres and that the Planning Commission
approved the primary/secondary zoning parcels (southerly portion referred
to as Parcel "B"). Motion was made by Palmateer to approve Ordinance
No. 44 as it relates to Parcel "B" of the map referenced to in order to
allow primary/secondary zoning; seconded by Wilto. A unanimous vote
was recorded in favor of the motion. Palmateer made a motion, which was
at the request of the applicant, that Parcels "A" and "C" (reference map)
zoning be tabled for 60 days; seconded by Donovan. A unanimous vote was
recorded in favor of the motion.
Resolution No. 28 Series of 1978 approving the Town's leasing of certain
equipment. Bill fyka pointed out that this resolution authorizes the
Town Manager to proceed with the leasing of certain equipment that the
Town has leased in the past. Donovan made a motion to approve Resolution
No. 28; seconded by Hopman. A unanimous vote was recorded in favor of
the motion.
PRESENTATIONS:
Brandess-Cadmus Real Estate, Inc. This is an appeal of the Planning
and Environmental Commission's denial of a conditional use permit in order
0 to allow a real estate office on the ground floor in the Casino Building.
The applicant was represented by Bob Joyce who gave his presentation against
the denial. Larry Rider then pointed out the legal considerations including
the questions of estoppel and the application of conditional use permits.
A lengthy discussion followed in which there were many legal questions
raised which could not be answer at that time; therefore,John Donovan made
a motion to table consideration of the appeal until the next regular
Council meeting (December 5th). This was seconded by Bob Ruder. The appeal
was unanimously tabled until December 5th.
Gaynor Miller - appeal of the Planning and Environmental Commission's
approval of a conditional use permit for the Vail Mountain School. At
the request of the applicant and the appellant, John Donovan made a motion
to table; seconded by Steinberg. The matter was unanimously tabled.
Town Manager -- appeal of the Design Review Board's approval of balcony
modifications for Solar Vail Building._ Jim Rubin gave a presentation of
the balcony revisions for the Solar Vail Building. Jay Peterson, representing
Bob Lazier, briefly summarized the balcony modifications. Various members
of the Design Review Board then spoke in defense of their approval process.
After a lengthy discussion Bill Wilto made a motion to uphold the Design
Review Board's approval; seconded by Ruder. A 5-2 vote was recorded in
favor of the motion. Opposing votes were cast by Dr. Steinberg and Scott
Hopmen.:
Vail Town Council
November 21, 1978
Page Three
Street Cuts -- Dan Corcoran gave an individual, detailed explanation of
the following street cut requests.
1) Gold Duplex; contractor: David Floyd; address: 4977 Juniper
Lane; occupancy: February, 1979. The request is for two
cuts which go into the raod for water and sewer lines.
Bill Wilto made a motion to approve this request with the provision
that the Public Works Department monitor the temperature and weather
conditions and that the cuts be made within a two day period if the
Public Works Dept agree that the conditions are suitable; seconded by
Tom Steinberg with the provisions that the applicant pay for the Town's
monitoring time and that he be liable for damages if it is not compacted
properly. Included within the motion was the provisions that the cuts
must be made prior to December 1st. A 5--2 vote was recorded. Opposing
votes were cast by Bob Ruder and Scott Hopman.
2) Holy Cross Electric's request for an extension of the time
limit for setting two new transformers. The first is for
a transformer extension by Brooktree and the other is for
the Casolar del Norte project. These are electrical cuts.
A motion for approval was made by John Donovan with the provision
that the work be done by December 15th; seconded by Scott Hopman. A
unanimous vote was recorded in favor of the motion.
3) Lot 16, Vail Meadows Filing No. 1; Wagner Residence.
Bob Ruder made a motion to deny the street cut permit; seconded by
Scott Hopman. A 5-2 vote was recorded in favor of the motion to deny.
Steinberg and Palmateer cast and opposing votes.
Citizen Participation
Jay Peterson, representing the Tyrolean Inn, made a request that
the present conversion of the restaurant space into employee housing units
be able to be reconverted into restaurant space when the employee housing
problem is not so critical. Steinberg made a motion to give them a
dispensation from their abandonment of their building for a period of two
years for long-term housing of their employees; seconded by Wilto. A
unanimous vote was.recorded in favor of the motion.
Donovan voiced his concerns about the time taken to complete the
Ice Rink. He requested that the architect be at the next meeting to
explain the various delays.
John Jake and Earl Eton are the operators of the snow cat operation
in Vail and they were asked by the Forest Service to outline their
proposals to the Town Council. They are moving their operation from
Meadow Mountain to the Bald Mountain area, utilizing the Sprattle Creek
Jeep Trail. Concerns were voiced by the Council about a potential parking
problem in that area.
As there was no other business, the meeting was adjourned.
ATTEST:
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AGENDA
VAIL TOWN COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING
21 NOVEMBER 1978
7:30 P.M.
1. PRESENTATION OF COMMUNITY SIGNAGE PROGRAM
ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS'"
2. Ordinance No. 38, Series of 1978, second reading, enabling
the Town Council to borrow up to $300,000 for working
capital.
3. Ordinance No. 39, Series of 1976, second reading, limiting
the maximum duration of continuous parking in the Vail
Transportation Center.
4. Ordinance No. 40, Series of 1978, second reading, making a
supplemental appropriation from the Open Space/Capital
Improvements Fund for the purchase of the Gondola I Plaza.
5. Ordinance No. 41, Series of 1978, first reading, amending
the Vail Municipal Code by the addition of Chapter 8.28
relating to fireplaces.
6. Ordinance No. 42, Series of 1978, an emergency ordinance
amending Chapter 3.28,of the Vail Municipal Code relating
to the Policemen's Pension Fund.
7. Ordinance No. 43, Series of 1978, first reading, amending
Chapter 12.04'of the Vail Municipal Code relating to
excavation and street cut permits.
8. Ordinance No. 44, Series of 1978, first reading, imposing
zoning districts on the recently annexed Elmore parcels.
9. Resolution No. 28, Series of 1978, approving the Town's
leasing of certain equipment.
` PRESENTATIONS
10. Brandess-Cadmus Real Estate, Inc. -- appeal of Planning and
Environmental Commission denial of conditional use permit.
11. Gaynor Miller - appeal of Planning and Environmental Com-
mission approval of conditional use permit for Vail Mountain
Schoo
12. Town Ma-nager - appeal of Design Review Board approval of
balcony modifications for Solar Vail Building, Lot 8, Block
2, Vail Potato Patch Filing No. 1.
11. RegVp sts for street cuts.
199--198'
CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS
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11962-�
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OPi 'n•rF PRIV!.RY LIST
(- !.Pf rf.
FEE
_
Putal is/Private Joint Venture
S/S,000
-� - 575,000 �575,000 S75,OG0
Dobson Aron,
1
Landscaping
50,000
.
Interior
Gondola I Park - design
75,000
7.500
1So,000 Iql
100:000
Bu , (2 in 1979)
40,000
195,000 260,000 260,000
ve:1 v..11oy or. Fn..!nslTian Valk
F
. Pedestrian Bridge
25,000
-
. Sidewwalk
10,000
-
Covered Bridge Repair
5,000
1
Bighor,. Bridges
-
Road
45.000
.Bridge
L gird Drive
50,000 1
Ca_.;Ur ,
ehensive Sign Program
.Artwork, Const. Drawings
10,000 -
' .Directional Signs
15,000
.
L Directional Signs
20.000
,Street Signs
10,000 ;
Ski Museum Roof Repair
Street Paving
2,000
60.000
21,000
26,000
.Vail Rd. (0.17 mi. repave)
22,200
.Ptarm-Aran Rd. (0.34 mi drip seal)
5,800
Chick Point Charlie Construction
15,000
Stem Seder Sleeve - Gore Creek Dr.
2,000
Creekside Stairs - Replace
Liens Mead Malls - Surface Repair
4,000
20,000
20,000
-
20:000
3
20 , 000 I
Street Lights
7,000
7,000
7,000
7,000 {
Lionsfiead Bus Turn -Around
3,000
i
Nat 1. Bank Intersection Design
1,000
Athletic Club Corner Improvement
11000
NiShnay, Tree Transplanting
2,000 a
5.000
S;000
5,000 i
Road L Stream Revegetation
4,000
3.000 ,.
3,000
2,000
Sprinkler System - City Nall/Post Office
1,000
�
Post Office Parking Lot - Repave
2,500 _ _ . _.__.___ _ _ _ _
: -.
.. •-
!
Sub -Total - Open Space
-�
$445,000
[ COfliti'IUED ON
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fE{
25,000}
E 20,coo j
I 7,000
5,000
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1979-1983
CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS
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i2EC
C`OPEiI
SPACE FEE
OTHER
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B. OPEN SPACE - SECONDARY LIST
Bus Shelters
S 5,000
-
6,000 6,000 6,000
ttill Creek Diversion Readgate
12,000
Sidewalk - 4-way stop to MuseUM
4,000
--.
Red Sandstone Rd. Realignment
?) 12,000
Street Rapavirg - Forest Road
E1 30,000
Sprinkler System - Overpass (North) 8,000
Best Lions Read Entrance 5,000
C. RECREATIONAL AMENITIES FEES
Running Paths I
$101000
Ford Park Waterline $'
17,000
Bike Paths 111777
-
.Bighorn - Willow Way to Nugget Lana
18,000
.Overpass to Sandstone Rd.
$17,000
.9ighorn to base of pass
-
Lions Ridge Park
Katsos Ranch Park - picnic areas
000
1,L1C0
Kateos Iflu Pa.-!] - revegetato i
3,000
Sprinkler systc:xis
.Pirate Ship Park !
11,000
.Roiter Staub Park
5,600
Parcours Exercise Course
8,000
,
Strrainu:alk - Village along Gore Creek
2,ODD
Lionsuead Tot Lot 1
3,000
sand>tonc Tot Lot - drinking fountain
500
Ford Par•L olmysters ij
2aQOJ
�$35,100
Sub -Total: Roc Amenities Tres I
0. OTITR FUNDING SOURCES
Libvary - Design S Construction' E
1.500,000
Municipal Parktng_StructUl! 3 Inforr:ation Center
3,UJO,000
Sub -Total: 9mtJs
-
i4,'.,17,i"UO
65.000
Im
2/3
11983 ...... ....a
6,000
CoNTINUEO tX1 NEXT PAG!:J )-
3 1979--�-1983 C /--\ L ff�/1
i 1979
i OPEPi 3 REC
E. 15SO-83 CAPITAL PROJECTS i
1
VTC Infor-ation Center Expansion
V..:nicipal 8uill1n9 I^prolements i
Ford Park - Fronta7e .4. Parking
d Stairs
f Course Pond Parking Lot
reet Curbir.9 Program
Outdoor HdndbaII Courts
Sprinkler Systems
Y.;;nicipal S"ii;ain9 Pobl
F. GW.,'D TOTAL FOR ALL # 5521.600 ^ 3!3! SSa 1C0 $-0,517,OOC
CA79GORIES li __ S� _-_x -- — 7
t
MOVEMENTS
ff
I 1980 1981 1982 1983 -
$20,000}
i 25,OOD {
{ 44,000
i2,000
9.000 1 5,000 5.000 5,000
8,000
15,A00 27,000
1,000,000
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box 100 office of the town manager
vail, colorado 81657
(303) 476-5613
STATEMENT
February 19, 1979
TO: Jay Peterson
Attorney at Law
0 FROM: Diana Isgrig
RE: TRANSCRIPT OF DISCUSSION AT TOWN COUNCIL
MEETING OF NOVEMBER 21, 1979 - TYROLEAN INN
3 hours @ $10.00 per hour.................$30.00
Please make check payable to
Diana Isgrig
P.O. Box 100
Vail, Co 81657
10
Thank you.
TRANSCRIPT: THE TYROLEAN INN
NOVEMBER 21, 1978
ROD SLIFER:
Citizen participation.
JAY PETERSON:
I've got one, unfortunately. The
Tyrolean Inn has plans of putting some
employee dormitory rooms in the lower
floor of the old Blue Cow. It amounts
to seven bedrooms, two employees, one
in each bedroom, 14 employees. There
will bathrooms in there. They can do it
because it fits into the zone. The
problem is, that it is zoned right now
for a restaurant and once we take that ?
out it can't go back into a restaurant
again. They are spending a large amount
of money doing these dorm rooms and they
don't want to take them out until the
employee housing problem is solved. But
they have no guarantees at that point
that they could go back to a restaurant.
They have lost a lot of employees sofar,
they've lost two and are about to lose two
more employees because they cant find
housing. Their going to house 14 of
their employees right in Town. They don't
have to drive there, they don't have to do
anything.
SCOTT HOPMAN:
What's in that space right now?
JAY PETERSON:
It's a restaurant, part kitchen, bathroom,
party room, pool room. They are taking
that out and putting the bedrooms in.
ROD SLIFER:
Have they started?
JAY PETERSON:
No, they haven't started. The problem is the
Zoning Ordiance on that use is non -conforming
use, and once they change it, they will have
to come back in to get the use again.
JOHN DONOVAN.
Now you no that?
JAY PETERSON:
Yes. They can't afford to do that, because
TYROLEAN INN
Page 2
JAY PETERSON: CONTINUED they can't afford to lose the use
but during this .interim period with
the employee housing crunch, they need
to do this.
JOHN DONOVAN:
But Jay you know we can't answer
questions that are going to asked
of us down the road.
JAY PETERSON:
But I think Larry, isn't there a way
that the Town passed a Resolution
that it,s not going to be deemed
abandoned. Otherwise, it just not
going to be worth it. It can't be done.
Because they can't do it.
JOHN DONOVAN:
Sure they can do it. They'll have
to take the risk that it won't be
approved as a restaurant again.
JAY PETERSON:
But thats a risk they can't afford
to take.
JOHN DONOVAN.
Well they can't afford not have
employees either.
JAY PETERSON:
Well, everyone is in that boat this
year. Their willing to supply
housing for their own employees.
Otherwise its just going to remain
a restaurant this year.
ROD SLIFER:
Larry do you have something to say.
LARRY RIDER:
What John's request is, their saying
we have now an existing conditional use
the ordinance says that if its not used
as such within a year for a years
period it is deemed abandoned.
.
And what Jay is saying, we don't want
to abandoned it, we want to provide
the housing but we want to keep the
conditional use. What we are asking
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TYROLEAN INN
PAGE 3
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LARRY RIDER: CONTINUED
you to do is recognize not amend
it. You can do that by motion.
You can just say we recognize
that youaE8t abandoning this.
JAY PETERSON:
It seems rather obvious that we are
not going to take it out until
employee housing units aren't needed
anymore. But once employee housing
units are built in Vail that dorm
•
room,.like that, it will be un-
occupied. Nobody will stay in it
because its not _good;:, housing.
Just like trailers down the valley
but their sure jammed up this year.
Its good and thats all I'm asking for.
But we don't want a set of dorms that
are empty five years from now.
BILL WILTO:
Isn't this something that should be
before the Planning Commission?
JAY PETERSON:
No, there is no provision for
anything in the its
got to be done by REsolution. There
is no variance proceedures there is
no nothing. I've been through the
Zoning Ordinance. There is no
procedure to do it, except the
Resolution that it would not be deemed
abandoned.
JOHN DONOVAN:
How many showers are they putting in?
JAY PETERSON:
I don't no the exact number but there
is a shower room.
UNKNOWN:
There is a men's room, there is a
ladies room, there are shower faciliti=-
in each=one, sink facility and toilet.
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TYROLEAN INN
PAGE 4
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JOHN DONOVAN: In other words, one shower, one sink,
one toilet. Your saying that the ideal
situation would be 7 and 7.
JAY PETERSON: I don't know what the break down is.
ROD SLIFER: Don't mix that up anyway.
INAUDIBLE:
JOHN DONOVAN:
There is a hell,of a lot of people
pushed in.that basement.
is
JAY PETERSON:
Inaudible. Its a big room. It a dorm
type like Poor Richards was.
BILL WILTO:
I don't have any problem with it.
DR. STEINBERG:
We should pass a Resolution oking it
that we're not, we're recognizing not
abandoning their rights as a restaurant.
LARRY RIDER:
I recommend we do it by a motion not a
Resolution.
DR. STEINBERG:
Ok.
ROD SLIFER:
Would you like to make a motion.
DR. STEINBERG:
I make a motion we give them a dispensation
from the abandonment of their building
to a period of two years for long-term
employee housing of their employees
no short-term, no condominiumization,
no inaudible
JAY PETERSON:
Its the Tyrolean Inn and the Lancelot
because they are both tied together.
BILL WILTO:
Seconded.
ROD SLIFER:
We have a motion and a second. With a
two year stipulation and the stipulations
that Dr. Steinberg mentioned.
TYROLEAN INN
PAGE 5
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ROD SLIFER: CONTINUED
LARRY RIDER:
ROD SLIFER:
JAY PETERSON:
0
0
Seconded by Bill Wilto. Is there any
other discussion?
All in favor .... Larry how would this be
done, by contract, by letter agreement?
They would be ... Jay can just ... his
client could pay to have the tape
transcribed and just put the tape in
the file I:;.think-lthat would be fine.
OK. No other discussion.
All in favor say aye. Those opposed.
UNANIMOUS.
Thank you.