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Home My WebLink About1998-11-17 Town Council MinutesVAIL TOWN COUNCIL - MINUTES •TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1998 7:00 P.M. The regular meeting of the Vail Town Council was held in the Town Council Chambers on Tuesday, November 17, 1998. The meeting was called to order at approximately 7:00 P.M. COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Rob Ford, Mayor Ludwig Kurz, Mayor Pro-Tem Bob Armour Michael Arnett Kevin Foley Michael Jewett Sybill Navas STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT. Bob McLaurin, Town Manager Tom Moorhead, Town Attorney Pam Brandmeyer, Assistant Town Manager The first item on the agenda was Citizen Participation. Diana Donovan, a Vail resident, asked the Council to review the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) gas and oil drilling form she had received, which places Vail in the moderate area. She gave Council copies of the form. Wolf Mueller, a Matterhorn resident, asked about the Lower Bench cut in Donovan Park and the • square footage used in an article in the newspaper. He said the interconnect cut is twelve times larger than was proposed and wants to know where the misinformation comes from. Mayor Rob Ford said the Council will look into it. Josette Elias, an applicant for the Red Sandstone employee housing, went over the application used for the lottery. She read a letter to Council about the development of her status in the 4th tier of the lottery. She had asked for a change in her status in the lottery and it was not done. She said the decision to keep her in the 4th tier was unfair. Her 28 years of being a resident prior to being gone for 1 year and 10 months was not considered and is very upset about how this lottery tier structure was made. She is very upset with the process and stated the Aspen Housing Authority would not have done this. There are stipulations in Aspen with regard to an appeals process, and also have education and medical stipulations. She requested a motion for an appeal to reverse her tier status for employee housing. She read a letter regarding her disappointment about the process and the help she has received from the Community Development Department. She stated there are many appeals processes within other areas of the Community Development Department and this should happen in the Housing Division also. She is very upset with Andy Knudtsen and the "accusations' about her work and living status in the past years. She said Andy is putting the Town and Council in jeopardy with the latest memo that was sent out. Mayor Rob Ford stated when the regulations and rules were drafted for the lottery, there was room for improvement and there were changes that needed to be made. He said Bob 0 1 Vail Town Council November 17, 1996 Meeting Mlnutw McLaurin, Town Manager of Vail, will be responding to her letter. • Council member Mike Jewett said that since the afternoon work session, he feels this item should be called up for review like a DRB or PEC review. She has been here since 1967 and there is a fairness issue. There is no appeal process in place, and it is a concern. He said there will be research and possible changes to the rules for the lottery process. Council member Mike Jewett made a motion to call up this issue. Council member Mike Arnett asked what exactly is being called up. Council member Mike Jewett said the employee housing application does not specify education and/or medical excuses, and it's up to Council to give any applicant an appeal process. Mayor Rob Ford stated his understanding was to address the issue to improve the lottery system, but it does not mean an appeal process. Council member Kevin Foley said he would second the motion because this needs to be addressed. Council member Mike Arnett said he is still confused about the motion. The motion does not encompass the lottery process not the individual issue of Josette Elias' application. Council member Mike Jewett said the motion includes reviewing her application. • Council member Sybill Navas said she is sympathetic to Josette's comments. However, the lottery occurred Monday evening and the problem was called to her attention Monday afternoon. This motion would affect all parties of the lottery if they called it up. A vote was taken, and the motion was denied, 2-5. Council members Kevin Foley and Mike Jewett for and Council members Mike Arnett, Bob Armour, Sybill Navas, Ludwig Kurz and Rob Ford against. Lou Meskimen, a business operator, asked why the Town removes snow when we live in snow country. He wants to keep the snow in town and not have it hauled away. Mayor Rob Ford said Larry Grafel, Director of Public Works, will get back with Lou on this item. The second item on the agenda was the consent agenda. Ordinance No. 16, Series of 1998, second reading of an ordinance amending Sections 12-15-4 (interior conversion) and 12-15-5 (additional GRFA) of the Town of Vail Municipal Code regarding the implementation of additional GRFA (250) and the interior conversion regulation in multi -family structures, and setting forth details in regard thereto. Council member Michael Arnett made a motion to approve on second reading, Ordinance No. 0 2 Vail Town Council November 17, 1098 Meeting Minutes • 11,199$ Tuesday>NOvembex Council Chambers wn Council at theix xebrirlar Toil of Vail Vail'ro and actions takou'Vee present. 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He felt ded by Oouncil mem This would secon rcval. motion was of S uefing 100°/0 app 16, Series of 1998, the lof al becauni s reQ sa. a couidrt'teetbe fmu�-fain+ly Ehe a �s a pro}alern rlth all rn Eob Armour against, ration be hard to get.motion passed, g-1 { 199b, a P{Dora Marrakech, le A vote as The da s Procia Disco e0." Ch nrnel Eco Challenge in s taken. thea en wa The third itemoVa`fo Winning the1998 rn council Honoring Tea ded by Morocco' roelamatlon was secon d 7-0. Mayo Rob Ford read the p made a mation to approve, n was appTOve r gab p rmour the P Series 011991, an and Coun member duds. vote was taken and cil m A o{Ordinance No. and FT W� of fail, member Sybil] N a was first readrn. Adopting ? B des a of the and Providing for x on the agenda Ordmancenses, and i rmber 31, 1999, The fourth 1te Annual ApprOprrthe Casts, ExP Taxes Due for the 1 9 re, pay 1, To 9 A ohrem property Ordinance roPriations to ps January Making pisca rking an for months. do�for Its la d ColleOtlon Ye theory sessment g99 Fiscal ar. been f the w YeaevV and Payable in the 1 this is the budget Counei inance Director, to explain some o ob pord evlained that son, F ubllc. Thomp radio Mayor R Steve ing Year for the including new ber Bob Armour asked for the coin budget will be going of the b COuncii m here the funds various parts s of w ta'ned VIIla9e next item Director, exp the Vail Tha an, Finance trucfwn in mps t design, etc. will be no cons Steve fire towers, dell said there Town Manager, 1n mill levy � of property McL su mer. nn' e co is ask w0 of 1 increase mC1 levy or 71 cents per $100,0 summer. ed i{ there ber of A me exPi� Wed there is an increase of .07 do increase Colara Lottery Steved about the values her Sybi11 Plavas aske cil member going up each year. Coun Stee said it has been Stied. Abby Mims Further discussion en bet 7,190tA VaOTd»n �upcll No�em 3 • 0 Council member Bob Armour made a motion to approve on first reading, Ordinance No. 17, Series of 1998, the motion was seconded by Council member Ludwig Kurz. Council member Kevin Foley said he is concerned where the monies will be coming from in the future because the debt is outgrowing the revenues. Bob McLaurin, Town Manager stated that in March, 1999, money will be taken out of the general fund and very difficult decisions will be made on how business will be handled in the future. Council member Mike Jewett stated the reason for the March date is so the 1999 World Alpine Championships would not be affected. A vote was taken. The motion passed, 6-1, Council member Kevin Foley against. The fifth item on the agenda was a presentation on the Design Parameters for the West Vail Neighborhood Park and Affordable Housing Development. Mayor Rob Ford explained the Arosa Garmisch site is one of 17 sites identified in the Common Ground process as housing. This site was designated as dual use. This site would be used for housing and open space use. The Town staff and Council would like to have feedback on which one of the three plans is most compatible for this site. He clarified the site zoning, saying it is for open space and development. Two transactions made these lots available to the Town. Eight residential units were zoned for this site and the second transaction was for open space. The current zoning allows for both zonings. Twenty percent of the funds were used from Real Estate Transfer Tax (RETT) and eighty percent of the funds were taken from the general fund. He thanked the community for coming this evening. He stated the parameters for the comments were to keep comments to three minutes, and everyone treat everyone else with respect. Andy Knudtsen, Housing Policy Planner, highlighted the memorandum given to Council. Andy introduced the three designers; Concept A, by Jerry Seracuse; Concept B by John Wolff and Tom Lyon; and Concept C by Kirk Aker. Jerry Seracuse, designer, reviewed Concept A with Council and the public. This concept is made up of an 8-plex on the east side of the site and a park on the west side. Council member Mike Jewett asked if Jerry Seracuse was retained for this meeting Jerry said he was retained but didn't know the full cost of his work at this time. John Wolff, designer of Concept B, stated he was charged to do a duplex design made up of four duplexes. The park location was in the middle of the lots. Three duplexes were on the west side of the site and one duplex on the east side of the site. He explained his design. Steeper slopes were left undisturbed. Neighbors had expressed that a large portion of the lot area be left undisturbed. He said a duplex is easier to accommodate on the site than a multi- family unit. He explained the difference in possible costs between duplex versus multi -family TOV Council Highlights/November 17, 1998/Add5 . 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Gk an H Bald i.1998M on9 gstvaA r nrtat\Q^ 015 hood e Coon�\Hn em�e KantR°seE 9eRNeon- h\sne\ghb 5 vi\town tte nts° havB i\ghts E and housing are viable on this site and approved of the concept of both. Dawes Wilson, a member of the Board of Directors from the Vail Commons Resident's Association, supports the Council in helping others to be able to afford housing and a park in West Vail. Without help in owning at Vail Commons, Vail would have lost many working community members. A less transient community is a safer community. Visitors benefit for more committed community residents. He supports employee housing on the Arosa/Garmisch site. Jeff Christianson, lived on Chamonix and Garmisch for 10 years, and feels traffic is an issue, There are dangerous curves and feels that Chamonix Lane needs to be widened to handle increased density before moving forward on this project. He is not against employee housing but feels safety comes before housing. Tom Steinberg was a past Council member when the lots were bought. He stated the primary purpose was to buy the lot for affordable housing. His only regret is that it should have been occupied years ago. Stephen Kurshner, on behalf of the Eagle Valley Affordable Housing Association, stated a common goal is in having a voice to find more affordable housing valley -wide. The Association wants to thank the current Council for going ahead with housing and wants them to continue to speed up the process. The dramatic need and number of people who need housing. On a personal note, he said the process on accommodating both housing and a park are done and likes Concept B (Wolff/Lyon concept). Fitz Fiztgerald, President of Sunlight North Homeowners Association, agrees that the project should go through and likes Concept B. He feels Chamonix needs to be widened and agrees with Council. He lives next to the site and wants affordable housing on the site so the "worker bees" can afford to live in this valley. Diana Donovan, a Vail resident, stated she was a member of the Planning and Environmental Commission (PEC) when this site was bought. She feels this is a RETT parcel since RETT funds were used. She explained that Vail Commons had already been approved and the Common Ground process resulted in the Open Lands Plan. She said Common Ground tried to do too much in too little time, the existing zoning and allowed uses were never mentioned. The priority of open spaces protection was passed with 91 % of votes. She supports affordable housing but not at the sacrifice of open lands. Jerry Rulibaugh, did a survey of the neighborhood at Vail Commons. 100% found living at Vail Commons is positive, all the units are occupied. The number of people living in two bedroom units is generally 2, 75% use the buses in winter, and most socialize with their neighbors, 62% are involved in volunteer work, 100% are involved in athletic activities, and 72% are interested in other housing opportunities. There is a restaurant manager, there are several ski shop employees or owners, 5 teachers, 2 police officers, 4 accountants, 5 restaurant and bar managers, etc. and 55% make $30,000-$40,000 per year. Vail Town Council November 17, 1998 Meeting Minutes TOV Council Highlights/November 17, 1998/Add2 • Vail. Elias said the town's decision to credit her for only 2 years of residency (eliminating her previous concurrent residency of 28 years) was unfair and disheartening. Elias, who said she loft Vail for a brief period for medical reasons, said the staff's interpretation of the current lottery guidelines were extreme and arbitrary, and that her personal character had come under attack by the town. That prompted Councilman Michael Jewett to make a motion for Council "call-up" of. the lottery application, a process similar to Council call-ups of decisions by the Design Review Board and the Planning and Environmental Commission. That motion was defeated by a vote of 2-5 (Armour, Arnett, Ford, Kurz and Navas against). While sympathetic to the situation, most Councilmembers said they preferred an independent review of the lottery criteria to consider concurrent residency adjustments and creation of an appeals process, among other potential improvements, noting it would be inappropriate to reconsider results of the just -completed Red Sandstone lottery. Next, Lew Meskimen asked the Council why so much time is spent hauling and removing snow during the winter. By leaving the snow in huge piles, Meskimen said it would have a lasting psychological effect on Vail's tourists and the snow would be an attraction for the kids. He encouraged Vail to look like a winter resort, not Miami. --Consent Agenda, Ordinance No. 16, Interior, Exterior Conversions for Multi -Family Dwellings The Council voted 6-1 (Armour against) to approve second reading of an ordinance that allows for interior conversions as well as additional exterior GRFA (250 sq. tt,) abilities for multi -family dwellings. The measure creates consistency in the implementation of the town's regulations among single family residences and multi -family residences. In voting against the measure, Councilman Bob Armour said although he agreed with the intent of the ordinance, he preferred to take a more comprehensive look at other incentives that might be more meaningful for • redeveloping multi -family structures. Other Councilmembers have called the ordinance a tool that could be used to help revitalize residential properties. For more information, contact Dominic Mauriello in the Community Development Department at 479-2148. E --Mayoral Proclamation The Council voted 7-0 to approve a proclamation honoring the members of Team Vail for winning the 1998 Discovery Channel Eco-Challenge in Marrakech, Morocco. For a copy of the proclamation, contact the Community Information Office at 479-2115. --Ordinance No. 17, 1999-2000 Biennial Budget The Council voted 6-1 (Foley against) to approve first reading of the 1999-2000 Town of Vail biennial budget. For 1999, the $30.6 million budget includes site planning for a new fire station, continuation of the town's affordable housing initiatives, free ski season parking after 3, as well as retention of existing services. The budget also applies a mill levy credit of .302 mills, bringing the property tax mill levy to 4.399 mills in accordance with the Tabor Amendment. In voting against the budget ordinance, Councilman Foley said he didn't think the Council had done enough to tell the departments where the monies were going to come from, nor where some operational savings could be found. In the past, Town Manager Bob MCLaurin has said he's comfortable with the revenue and operational forecasts for the 1999 budget. But for the 2000 budget, currently at $30,704.642 million, McLaurin has said he'll seek significant adjustments through a combination of cuts, new revenue sources and/or reallocation of existing revenues. Those discussions will be undertaken following completion of the World Alpine Ski Championships, according to McLaurin, when there's more time to focus attention on the matter. Without those adjustments, McLaurin has repeatedly warned of a potential financial hardship for (more) TOV Council Highlights/November 17, 1998/Addt representatives who described both the difficulties associated with hauling up to 400 pounds of is per athlete, and of the tremendous growing pains the organization has had in its present facility. All agreed that a long-term master plan for a new facility is an essential next step. For more Information, contact Brent Wilson in the Community Development Department at 479-2128. For more information, contact Brent Wilson at 479-2128. --Council Reports Kevin Foley, who also serves as chairman of the Eagle County Regional Transportation Authority (EGO), expressed concern about the amount of overtime expenses that will be passed on to ECO by the Town of Vail for operation of the Dotsero-to-Vail bus route. Because the town is _ currently short four bus drivers, ECO has agreed to pick up overtime expenses associated with that route through the end of this ski season. (ECO contracts with the town for that service). Town Manager Bob McLaurin suggested the two entities agree on a cap for anticipated overtime expenses. Sybill Navas reported on a recent meeting of the Art In Public Places Board (AIPP). She said the group is working on two projects: 1) making arrangements to have Seibert Circle professionally photographed; and 2) placement and dedication of a skier sculpture donated by Mt. Buller, Australia. --Other Sybill Navas inquired about the status of the "Ski with the Council" outreach program initiated last year. Rob Ford agreed to explore the possibilities. Michael Arnett had a procedural question regarding a constituent who had inquired about the status of a PEC decision. (There is a 10•day appeal requirement). Kevin Foley thanked the town carpenters for the work they did in replacing the playground equipment at Stephens Park. He also asked for clarification regarding the town's discontinuation of credit card payments for daily parking fees in the structures and encouraged the placement of additional signs at the entrance areas for notification. Evening Session Briefs Council members present: Armour, Arnett, Foley, Ford, Jewett, Kurz, Navas --Citizen Participation Resident Diana Donovan appeared before the Council and suggested the town take a stand on area oil and gas leases under consideration by the Bureau of Land Management. Donovan said the town stands to have "oil wells in our backyards" if it's not careful. Councllmembers agreed to took into the matter. Next, Wolf Mueller of the Donovan Park neighborhood complained about what he said were misrepresentations by the town regarding the size of the cut that was made recently on the lower bench of Donovan Park. Mueller said the cut was 12 times larger in actual size than what was reported by the Vail Daily. The cut connects a temporary parking area to the Cascade Village as part of the preparations for the World Alpine Ski Championships, Josette Elias, the 33-year-old Red Sandstone lottery applicant who had been placed in the bottom eligibility tier because of a 22-month-long break in her residency status, read an emotional letter to the Town Council asking for reinstatement and recognition of her longevity in (more) 0 • Dick Cleveland, a West Vail resident on Arosa drive, stated the consensus was a maximum • number of units of eight. The site should dictate the number of units. He is disconcerted that the charge to the architects was eight units. He feels six units is the maximum number of units that should be on this site. He said to give people decks and outside areas, preserve the park, and have less man-made park equipment. He supports affordable housing in the neighborhood and wants lights on in his neighborhood again. Kathy Langenwalter, a 22- year Arose Drive resident, felt that housing on this site is appropriate. She said six units are more appropriate than eight. She doesn't feel any one of the proposals is right on the money. She said certain aspects of each plan should be integrated into a better plan. Lou Meskimen, a resident at Pitkin Creek, agrees with Kathy Langenwalter and Dick Cleveland. The Council should be open for different concepts and different zonings on this site. He would like to see less density. Small one bedroom units for a single person is most needed. He wants to see more concepts with less density. Ron Jones, lives on Garmisch, adjacent to the park, said he agrees with Byron Brown. He said that Time Magazine had an article about how corporate welfare perpetuated dependency and distorted the economy. It is unfair for the neighbors to give up a park, dependency creates more dependency and distortion of the economy. This is an open market. He agrees with the analysis to make something cost effective. Why is the Mountain Bell site not being considered? Fifty-six acres is a better economy of scale, it's close to town, and an overpass bridge could be built. The building(s) could be tiered into the hillside. The employees could walk to town. This • site would help reunite the community. He felt the Common Ground process was orchestrated. Thanked Council member Mike Jewett for his democratic leadership. Flo Habernicht, a West Vail resident, is renting a house to a Vail Resort employee. She objects to this process and objects to the Common Ground process. She was at a meeting in early October where she was offended by the facilitator because she does not feel the process was done with openness. Jess Kirshcner, participated in the public meetings and applauds the town staff and Council for allowing the community to be involved. He likes Concept B, and supports Council in moving forward with affordable housing. Brett Young, a resident on Arose Drive, is concerned with traffic, it's dangerous and narrow. The second concern are the dogs. Approximately 50 dogs are taken to the manager's lots every day, there is no other place for open space and feels some of the ideas have been force fed and putting stress on the neighborhood. Ellen Miller, a Vail Commons resident, is thankful to Council for the work and tenacity on the affordable housing process. She extended an invitation to an open house at Vail Commons. One of each type of unit will be open. She wants to see other people have the same opportunity she had in obtaining affordable housing in Vail. • 7 Vail Town Couxil November 17, 1998 Meeting Minutes Sally Jackyl, wanted to say this process doesn't need to be so difficult. Putting housing on park . land makes it controversial. Part of the land was purchased with RETT funds so it should be left open space. The Council had no right to purchase this lot with RETT funds. She will fight to keep the Common Ground process going, more time and effort needs to be spent to make it work for everyone, What happened to the 82 alternatives from that process? No one else has taken these seriously. She said before taking away open space and parks, look at the alternatives. Save the parks and build affordable housing, the Town doesn't have to take away parks to get affordable housing. Guy Ayrault, stated each of listed sites were to be considered for housing sites. Zero density is meaningful on this site. Also, there have been no cost estimates on this concepts and he suspects the cost is substantial for each design. Any decision to go with any concept is premature without cost estimates. Wants a Town study for housing should be done before going ahead with this project. He doesn't see any affordable housing differences between each community in Eagle County. Past Town Council's stated parks and open space are important and before sacrificing parks, look at other issues and alternatives. Carol Heimers,a representative of the Glen Lyon Homeowner's Association, stated she welcomes affordable housing and has asked for it in their neighborhood. She wants to see housing under $100,000, $190,000 is not affordable housing. She suggested they can lower costs with "sweat equity". Neighbors need to be able to comply with the RETT laws, additional conversations need to be discussed before moving forward. There is a great need to solve housing and preserve open space at the some time. • Dennis Jones, wanted to express the process is flawed but he spent three years working with the process and commends Council for continuing the process. He wants Council to consider studio units and one bedroom units. He said to use natural features of the site for the park. If he was a Vail Commons homeowner he would be insulted to be inferred to be a welfare recipient (per comment from Ron Jones). Karen Scheidigger, a resident of West Vail since 1959, objects to any housing to be built with RETT funds. This lot is supposed to be for a park. She is not against affordable housing, but wants Council to explore other avenues before building on open space areaa. There is only 5.9 acres to this area. All other parks in Vail are bigger, with an average of 8.59 acres each. She says there are lights are on in the neighborhohd and said over 100 neighbors have petitioned to have this site stay a park. Shawn Benaugh, a Fire Department officer down valley, said if we can't afford,housing in communities that are served, major incidents occur and it takes a longer response time. Most fire fighters cannot afford to live in the community they serve. He said to give this thought when considering a need for affordable housing. Diana Donovan, said she wanted to make a correction, the park was represented to be park back then so they could use RETT funds. This is not the only way for people to own their own home. The Council needs to look at alternatives, there are so many other ways to own your own home. Vall Town Council November 17, 1998 Meeting Minutes *TOWN OF v,AIL 75 South Frontage Road Vail, Colorado 81657 970-479-2100 FAX 970-479-2157 MEDIA ADVISORY November 18, 1998 Contact: Suzanne Silverthorn, 479-2115 Community Information Office VAIL TOWN COUNCIL HIGHLIGHTS FOR NOVEMBER Work Session Briefs Council members present: Armour, Arnett, Foley, Ford, Jewett, Kurz, Navas --Lionshead Redevelopment Master Plan During a review of the latest draft of the Lionshead Master Plan, Councilmembers took a look at a phasing chart showing 14 public improvement projects, their associated costs and estimated revenue sources over the next 10-plus years. The projects show projected costs of $67 million, with a potential revenue stream of anywhere from $50 million to over $100 million, the bulk of which would potentially come from tax increment financing. Also yesterday, Councilmembers: • accepted a concept for calculating average roof height that would create movement in • linear roof forms discussed the pros and cons of using a variance versus conditional use tool to provide employee housing incentives • asked for more clarification on a key component of the master plan that removes GRFA (Gross Residential Floor Area) as the primary development constraint and instead emphasizes set -backs, height, site coverage and design guidelines to drive development standards • asked for more precision in defining the 5 protected view corridors within Lionshead • reviewed a section of the plan that would accommodate 1,300 new public parking spaces over time (2 new plates on the Lionshead parking structure, 800 spaces; underground parking areas in West Lionshead, 500 spaces) During discussion, a representative from Vail Spa expressed concerns about the perception of loading up the west end of Lionshead with higher density and taller buildings. Jim Lamont of the East Village Homeowners Association asked for the establishment of fixed GRFA standards. Councilmember Sybill Navas expressed concerns about the plan's ability to address increased traffic along South Frontage Road. The Council will review the GRFA recommendation at the November 24th work session and then review the plan for final consideration at its Dec. 1 evening meeting. For more information, contact Dominic Mauriello at 479-2148. --Ski Club Vail Council Call -Up The Council voted 6-1 (Armour against) to uphold the Planning and Environmental Commission's. 4-3 vote to approve a variance, along with 8 conditions, that will allow for athlete/vendor drop-off in front of the Ski Club Vail facilities on Vail Valley Drive during ski season. Those conditions include: that the approval be limited to a period of one year between Nov. 6 and May 10 and during the hours of 7 a.m. to 6 p.m.; that Ski Club Vail assume responsibility for voluntary enforcement; and that a long-term parking/development plan be submitted to the PEC for review • no later than Feb. 28. During discussion, the Council heard from several Ski Club Vail (more) i�'� xscrc�vrarex tAvp Coundd me otsr p vote Was taken and Sines, am( tioon gaur•c'a member Sob Arm fe Was no further d was ""'d d 0. 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He doesn i Under � e ne sucepas buY ONO" im a votes\ike �hr Mo untkrn Ne said the so f w He Peels �i Q hBr,�p undies ttre tOW n t i h m°r8 unr bang {Or the b done• There are drNe is dividat e ON sdee f r the most `b �emtet 17, r996Mm9Mlnu�s fun �heTown P, petu d be \00king T\mberrrd9 Vad Tom^ Counon Ne The coin°i1 cascade area, g Fluty\ in the 0 Council is spinning wheels going after these units. One hundred to 300 units on the larger . parcels will help bond the community. His position is to look at other alternatives before proceeding with this site. Council member Sybill Navas said her recollection is that Council member Mike Jewett fought Vail Commons tooth and nail and that it was not a big enough bang for the buck. There are no longer any large lots available in town. She agrees with Council member Ludwig Kurz on trying to balance both sides of the issues. She responded to Sally Jackle's statement of "do no harm" by saying it doesn't mean to do nothing. Risk is part of decision making. In her heart she feels they are doing the right thing. With regard to this site, she said it is better suited to six units, and said to address safety and cost. Whateve we do, the park needs to be sited for the neighborhood not just the people around it. There needs to be additional discussion on the type of units and maximize park area on site. Council member Bob Armour stated he hears the safety issue and has nothing profound to say. A lot of good things have been said and appreciates all the points of view made. All points are valid. He thinks there should be six units with townhome scale behind the town manager home and the park should have an active and passive area, restroom, meditaiton area, open lawn area, grass area (112-1 acre), collection facilities for dogs, and a connection to the north trail. Council member Mike Arnett stated he agrees with the traffic concerns, the intent of the purchase was an either or situation from the June 10, 1998 meeting. This is not strictly a RETT issue. This is a creation of a park and a dire need response to housing. Trappers Run is a designated open space area outside the West Vail residents door. He agrees with Kathy • Langenwalter that there are good parts of all three concepts. He feels that keeping housing to one end with six units is more appropriate for the site. Mayor Rob Ford thanked everyone for their input. He pointed out that this is how the process is supposed to work, come together, listen to all sides, and be polite and respect each other. The Council has continually tried to keep the dialogues going and it is unfortunate that when it doesn't go their way the dissenters go the lawsuit way. He stated if the people don't feel their elected officials are doing their job it's their duty to elect others who will do it their way. We all want to have a successful resolution but everyone needs to be involved, not just the neighborhood concerns but the community concerns. He wants everyone to take the time to educate themselves. There are a couple of issues to decide. The number one issue is density and secondly, to site planning the park elements and layout of the park. Council member Mike Arnett made a motion the density of the site be six units, and the motion was seconded by Council member Bob Armour. Council member Bob Armour stated Council should look at some other projects. There is keen interest in two bedroom units, or single units as Lou Meskimen stated. What configuration should be discussed and look at the demand. Council member Mike Jewett spoke against the motion saying it was similar to the Vail Commons motion. This was property was purchased with RETT funds and he cannot support this motion. 10 Vail Town Council November 17, 1998 Meeting Minutes , • F Council member Ludwig Kurz stated he is taking a position that the RETT has been looked at by staff and attomey's have cleared this project for housing. His reason for going to six units instead of eight is because the site is better suited to six units. A vote was taken, and the motion passed, 6-1, with Council member Mike Jewett against. Council member Bob Armour stated they needed to discuss the road cut issue, one road cut or two into the property. He said one street cut is more desirable than two, there is less asphault and more economy than two cuts. Council member Bob Armour made a motion to approve one street cut and the motion was seconded by Council member Kevin Foley. Council member Kevin Foley said they need to look at the number of parking spaces (1-2) for the park. A vote was taken, and the motion passed, 6-1, Council member Mike Jewett against. Tom Moorhead, Town Attorney, said once these decisions are made there are other issues and decisions to be discussed. At this time, Council is giving staff direction on clearly defined processes that they need to be going through. Council member Bob Armour commented that there could be a small active component and restroom and a passive component to the park. He defined the difference of the two for Council member Sybill Navas. Council member Mike Arnett stated the design of the park should be left up to designers of parks that do this for a living and said he would rather give it to Todd Oppenheimer and Greg Hall. Mayor Rob Ford asked if staff had enough information to go forward and said they will table the park restroom issue at this time. A question was asked by a community member about whether the restrooms at the other parks were left open or were they locked. Todd Oppenheimer, Town Landscape Architect, said they are generally left open over night and there has never been any problem in past. The sixth item on the agenda was the Town Manager's Report. There was nothing further to report. Council member Kevin Foley thanked Georgie Manzanares for her years of service to the Town. 11 Vail Town Council November 17, 1998 Meeting Minutes