HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-07-11 Town Council MinutesVAIL TOWN COUNCIL - MINUTES
TUESDAY, July 11, 2000
7:00 P.M.
The regular meeting of the Vail Town Council was held in the Town Council Chambers
on Tuesday, July 11, 2000. The meeting was called to order at approximately 7:00 P.M.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT:
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
Ludwig Kurz, Mayor
Chuck Ogilby
Diana Donovan
Kevin Foley
Rod Slifer
Greg Moffet
Sybill Navas, Pro-Tem
Bob McLaurin, Town Manager
Tom Moorhead, Town Attorney
The first item on the agenda was citizen participation. Bill Hanlon, a village merchant,
stated that a temporary vendor set up a retail space at the Children's Fountain during the
July 4th weekend. This vendor was duplicating the products of merchants in the village
thus competing with the local businesses.
Kaye Ferry, of the Vail Valley Merchants Association, requested that the Council be
selective about who they allow in the village as temporary vendors. Kaye also inquired as
to when a discussion about the noise ordinance would be scheduled.
Dan Barry, owner of EyePieces, said the town needs to examine how to attract more
people to the community while at the same time not jeopardizing the local merchants.
Bill Hanlon said the police did an outstanding job, interacting with younger crowd, during
all four days of the July 4th weekend.
The second item on the agenda was the consent agenda. Foley moved to approve the
June 6" and 20"' meeting minutes with the correct spelling of McCutcheon inserted into the
June 6111 minutes. Moffet seconded. A vote was taken and the motion passed
unanimously, 6-0. Foley moved to approve the second reading of Ordinance No. 12, Series
2000 - Designated Open Space. Slifer seconded. A vote was taken and the motion passed
unanimously, 6-0. Moffet moved to approve second reading of Ordinance No. 14, Series
2000 - Supplemental Appropriation and Budget Adjustments. Foley seconded. A vote was
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taken and the motion passed unanimously, 6-0.
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The third item on the agenda was the public hearing regarding the Lionshead Community
Facility Site. The purpose of this public hearing was to solicit public input on the various
site plans that have been developed to date. The two major questions for the public and
the Town Council were: What site plan achieves the project objectives and works the best
for the project area? How comfortable are you with the private development which is
intended to help pay for the public uses?
Brian Sipes, from Zehren Associates, presented site plans of different alternatives for the
proposed Hub Site development.
Richard Green, a resident at Lionshead Lodge, said there doesn't seem to be any attempt
to coordinate the redevelopment of Lionshead with the Vail Resorts Hub Site development.
He said discussion about condemnation has negative effects. People are holding up
renovations throughout Lionshead waiting to see what will occur on the Hub Site.
Cory Risher said that building a conference center with a kitchen would take business
away from the local restaurants. Mr. Flisher said the busiest time of year is President's
weekend and July 4"- During these times the occupancy rate it 86% full. These are not
big conference weekends so more hotel rooms are not needed. Right now Simba Run and
Vail Run need more business. Mr. Flisher did not think a skate park would bring more
people to Vail.
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Mike D'Anci, stated that the alternative plans for the Hub site required relocating Lionshead
Circle onto Tract E that has 50-ft. spruce trees. Also this would move the street much
closer to their property. Mr. D'Anci stated that he did not see a skate park drawing in a lot
of money and expressed concern about the height of the project.
Martin Shore, a resident of Manor Vail, said this project would do away with the access
road and the green space, causing problems for the Fire Department. He asked the public
to think about how they would feel looking at a 80-ft. wall. Mr. Shore noted that the Town
needs a temporary drop zone for parents dropping off and picking up their children while
using this facility. He also stated that we need to do something with the site.
John Horn Kates believes the Learning Center is an idea that people would contribute
money to.
Jose Aybar, Dean at Colorado Mountain College, told Council that they were considering
moving CMC because they need more space. After hearing the Town of Vail was planning
on developing a Learning Center and conference rooms, CIVIC decided to wait and see
what developed, as they would like to stay and support Vail. Jose asked if Vail would
market a Learning Center, conference space or a theater. A town in Ohio has done just
this. The Opera Light Company has 400 seats and all performances are 1100/0 sold out.
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Grettn Aggaly said a theater would be a wonderful addition to the community. She
encouraged the Council to move forward.
Diane Johnson, a resident of Vail, told Council to move forward and get something done.
Paul Rasmussen said the public library is a wonderful place, "improve it", "don't harm it".
He said that we need to remain competitive.
Terry Minger, a resident of Boulder, Colorado, and previous Vail Town Manager said that
Vail looks tired and worn. He used Spain as an example of how they created a healthy
economy by building an art museum. Mr. Minger said the Learning Center could be Town
of Vail's museum.
Carol Hymers thanked Council for the preservation of the open space, She reminded
Council to work with the neighborhoods while developing the Hub Site, stating that the
homeowners have a major investment in Vail.
Barbara Jean encouraged Council to move forward. She suggested that private
partnerships pay for the Hub Site. Ms. Jean encouraged Council to work in partnership
with Vail Resorts in the redevelopment of Lionshead. "Leadership without action is merely
a dream. Leaders need to lead."
8 Dick Cleveland said we need to think of our community as part of the redevelopment.
Stan Cope said to keep the plan simple. He said the "Learning Center" is a lousy name,
and felt a "youth center" was needed in the community. Mr. Cope said the combination of
a theater; conference center and Learning Center would work well together.
Elaine Keller said vision, concept, being a good neighbor, and thinking of the needs of the
community, are the components needed to make a good project. Ms. Keller said the
business community needs to up -grade their presence, and be competitive.
Phil Hoversten, 14-year residence in the Town of Vail, said the expansion of Dobson Ice
Arena would add "vibrancy" to the Town of Vail.
Bob Fritch, owner of Sitzmark Lodge, urged the Council to drop the idea of condemnation
and building a hotel on the Hub Site. Mr. Fritch said there are a lot of good places in Vail,
and encouraged the Council to be more positive about what the town has.
Pam Stenmark stated that the Town needs to soften the impact of the off-season to create
stability. She said a hotel would not finance the whole development, and that she would
like to see Council go ahead with the Learning Center and a conference facility
Ginny Culp, a resident of Vail, said she hoped that the Learning Center would not be
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marketed as conference center. She warned Council not to duplicate conferences spaco
that already exists in Vail, and that conference groups do not like to travel long distances
from airports to the meeting facilities. Eagle County does not have airline service during
the off season. She also mentioned that the Town of Vail would loose approximately 600
parking spaces with this new development.
Buck Elliott, said the Learning Center is a great and bold idea. He reminded the
developers to think about the core values and the community involved.
Michael Wasmer said to move forward with the Learning Center. Act on Vail Tomorrow.
John Garth with the VVTCB, said Town of Vail cannot accommodate some groups
because there is not a large enough facility. He said it is likely that the Inc. 500 group
would not return to Vail because it took too much planning on their part to coordinate the
conference under different roofs.
Kirk Hanson, 12-year resident of Vail, said keep the dream alive; the Town of Vail needs
this kind of development.
Rob Levine, General Manger of Antlers in Lionshead, said "kudos" to Council for going this
far, hang in there.
Sherry Stern, an East Vail resident, said hotels are not needed; what people need is a
delivery system and more technolgy.
Ludwig Kurz said that condemnation is an issue that Council will not deal with. He also
expressed that the Council is working with neighborhoods in regard to this development.
Kurz said it was premature thinking that a 90-ft. wall is going to be built when there have
only been site plans drawn. Donovan said she appreciated all the comments and the new
faces at the evening meeting.
The fourth item on the agenda was the discussion of a temporary/portable ice rink. Glenn
Davis, president of the Vail Junior Hockey Association, said while Dobson is a great facility
it is being over utilized. In order to serve the needs of the ice users in this area it would
"behoove" the Town of Vail to put in a 2"d sheet of ice to allow the different ice programs
in the county to grow. The cost of the bubble has increased because of wind and snow
loads. Greg Moffet asked Mr. Davis if he had considered purchasing a used bubble. Mr.
Davis said at one point he did have a lead on a used portable ice rink, but when he called
it was sold. Greg Moffet asked if there was a market for used portable ice rinks. Mr. Davis
said he did not know.
Greg Moffet moved to give permission to Rick Pylman to take the proposal through the
required process. Foley seconded.
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. Greg Moffet amended his motion. Foley seconded tho amended motion.
Kurz asked what monies were going to be used to finance the 2nd sheet of ice. Rod
suggested the possibility of someone from the private sector assisting with the financing
of the ice rink. Donovan said private financing would not be a good idea if the Town of Vail
wanted to keep control over the ice rink. Bob McLaurin said if the Town Council supported
this proposal he would make it happen.
Greg Moffet moved to designate McLaurin and staff further explore purchasing a tent and
negotiating with VRD concerning hours of operation and hours designated for each use
including free public skating, identifying a contingency plan, and defining the rules of VRD
and TOV. Foley seconded. A vote was taken and the motion passed unanimously, 6-0.
Kurz asked if there was anything being done to maintain and upgrade Dobson Arena. Jim
Heber, Director of Dobson Ice Arena, said $60,000 was spent last year on repairs. Greg
Moffet asked how much would it cost to repair Dobson. Mr. Heber said $800,000. To
remodel with additions, it would be around $2.5 million.
Greg Moffet moved to preliminarily authorize the expenditure of money subject to a
supplemental appropriation and subject to the discussion with Town staff as to where in
the Capital Improvements Fund the funding of the ice rink would come. Rod Slifer
seconded. A vote was taken and the motion passed unanimously, 6-0
As The fifth item on the agenda was the appointment of the Vail Local Marketing District
Advisory Board. Rod Slifer moved to appoint Bob Llewellyn to the Vail Local Marketing
District Advisory Board. Donovan seconded. A vote was taken and the motion passed
unanimously, 5-1, with Foley opposing.
The sixth item on the agenda was the Approval of Settlement to Resolve Outstanding Bill
for Improvements at Red Sandstone. Upon completion of the Red Sandstone Creek
project there was an outstanding bill to be paid in the amount of $225,000 plus interest for
the placement of the water main. This bill was incurred due to the improper placement of
the water main at the beginning of construction. The shallow placement was discovered
immediately before paving was to begin. After two days of mediation, all parties have
reached an agreement to resolve all issues with a reduction in the amount to be paid and
a sharing of those costs. The Town of Vail's share will be $8,000 in cash and a loan of
$5,000 to fund the settlement for the Stevens Group. This loan will be for a 5-year term
with 6% interest, a personal note signed by Tom Stevens and security through a second
deed of trust on a project underway in Carbondale. Foley moved to approve the settlement
to resolve outstanding bill for improvements at Red Sandstone. Moffet seconded. A vote
was taken and the motion passed unanimously, 6-0.
The seventh item on the agenda was the Town Manager's Report. Bob McLaurin said that
the phone system upgrade has been pushed back due to scheduling changes.
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Foley moved to adjourn, Moffet seconded. A vote was taken and the meeting adjourned
at 9:55 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
YTE&: Lorelei Donaldson, Town Clerk
Minutes taken by Seth Salter
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Ludwig Kurz
Mayor
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