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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010-09-21 Town Council MinutesVail Town Council Meeting Minutes Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:00 P.M. Vail Town Council Chambers The regular meeting of the Vail Town Council was called to order at approximately 6:00 P.M. by Mayor Dick Cleveland. Members present: Dick Cleveland, Mayor Kevin Foley Kim Newbury Kerry Donovan Susie Tjossem Margaret Rogers Andy Daly Staff Members: Stan Zemler, Town Manager Matt Mire, Town Attorney Pam Brandmeyer, Assistant Town Manager The first item on the agenda was Citizen Participation. Jason Weingast, resident of Eagle -Vail and owner of a business in Minturn . He has concerns regarding the ordinance regarding solar, the 2-foot rule stops any solar energy being in Vail. Megan Gilman, Eagle Vail resident and Active Energies business owner with Jason. There is no aesthetic benefit from the 2-foot rule. Loren with Capital Solar Energy, 1982 installing solar energy. 30 years perspective on solar regulations. This Ordinance is the most restrictive and disabling in the State of Colorado. Once all constraints are addressed, 90% of solar energy availability is gone in Vail. Reconsider the ordinance. Joe Staufer, local business owner, said he is puzzled the lodging community hasn't voiced their opinion on what they want done with the conference center funds since they are the ones that collected it. He disagrees about having astro turf on Ford Park. It is not world class. Extending soccer camp isn't viable as once school starts that is not an option. Leave Ford Park alone. Tom Steinberg, town resident, reinforced what Joe Staufer said. He doesn't want artificial turf. A study 3 years ago stated artificial turf raises the temperature. Don't spend large amounts of money on it. Higher accident rates occur on art. Turf. Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 1 John Decker, from Eagle Vail, wants the town council to look at all options for parking in Vail, before making a decision. He has an idea that would save money. He wants the council to listen to his idea, it's a green idea and maintains the softball fields. Andy Daly said the reason they are not interested now because they don't want to have structured parking on Ford Park and it is not an option. Hans Schulter, a resident of Vail, said the ordinance regarding solar panels is inflexible and doesn't work. Wants the town council to reconsider reviewing the ordinance. Andy said there hadn't been any submittals for solar panels. There wasn't a process dealing with exceptions. Dick said they have heard from the public and Stan will check with Com Dev on their process. The second item on the agenda was the Town Manager's Report. Stan didn't have anything to report. The third item on the agenda was Resolution No. 21, Series of 2010, a resolution expressing support for congressional wilderness designation of seven separate areas on public lands surrounding or nearby the Town of Vail. Matt Mire, Town Attorney, asked the Council to table, modify or deny Resolution No. 21, Series of 2010. On August 3, 2010, resolution advocate, Susie Kincade, presented to the Town Council a resolution to support seven separate areas on public lands surrounding or nearby the Town of Vail. The Council tabled this resolution to September 21, 2010. It has taken a new form and ask Council to table to another night and bring it back in it's new form or bring it back as this resolution. Andy Daly stated Eagle River Water and Sanitation concerns about someone trying to stop mitigation processes for possibilities like fire and other emergencies. Possible inability to protect the watershed, Hidden gems proposal as it is now is something andy can support. Chuck Ogilby, representative of QQ and .....presented a historical perspective of Vail and Bob Parker worked hard once the wilderness area was passed he worked hard on Creating the eagle nest wilderness area. There were two wilderness proposals when Ford was President. He explained in detail the higher and lower boundaries of the proposals. Ford chose the lower proposal so Denver couldn't do a "gravity feed" project. The wilderness projects saved this valley. Encourages the council to support this important piece of legislation. Steve smith works for the wilderness society and lives in GWS. He is representing Susie Kincade for this legislation and would like to answer any questions. Since we considered this resolution, Jaren Polis has changed this legilation nesa Erickson is here tonight and they are available to speak about any of the Andy Daly made a motion to approve Resolution No. 21, Series of 2010, the motion was seconded by Kerry Donovan and Margaret Rogers. Council had further Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 2 discussion. Kevin and Dick are not in support of this resolution. would not be voting for it. Margaret is in favor of it. Dick has concerns regarding Spraddle Creek. Andy amended his motion to correct the title of the resolution,and item one to 6 items and Elliott ridge as it pertains to eagle county only. Kerry Donovan 2"d the amended motion. A vote was taken and passed 5-2, Kevin Foley and Dick Cleveland opposing. The fourth item on the agenda was the 2010/2011 Winter Parking Plan. Greg Hall, Town Public Works Director, said each year the council approves the winter parking policy objectives, parking rates, parking pass prices and use rules, outlying parking areas as well as operational changes for the upcoming season. He would like Council to approve the 2010/2011 Winter Parking Plan as is or with modifications. Hall explained the changes to this plan from the last meeting. He took out "shopper parking" as there really isn't a shopper parking. Zero-2 after 3 free, parking passes free entry. Shopper value lots, keep some short term parking. Value card discount percent instead of dollar amount. Non peak Sunday through Thursday, 50% off. Eagle county 40% nonpeak period. 20% off for Eagle County residents during peak times. Parking passes the same as last year. Frontage road placard He explained each of the types of passes for Council. Both guaranteed, 80 gold passes were sold last year. Silver passes were limited and sold out 50 to businesses. Silver you have to be a business license holder and get one pass per business. Operational issues, need to make modifications to all entry and exit points for value passes. If you go with paid parking in evening don't have a full self service gate at Lionshead. ($50,000 for operational enhancements to do this at both parking centers. Cost of $15,000 to add service to know when the parking structures are full (text service and web site for real time data to public). 1-70 doesn't have great data capabilities, won't be accurate from 10 miles out approximately. Interior signage within structure is also a possibility. (would suggest adding to Vail village structure only as cost is high). Margaret says how does the 3 after 3pm work. First two hours after 3pm free at any time. ( at 3 to 5pm or 5p to 7-pm etc.) over 2 hours pay $3. Kim said vail economic advisory council said it would be a disaster to charge the $3 after $3. Susie said the people working during the day already pay for parking and the evening workers don't want to have to pay. Maybe one of the passes could be re -purposed to allow evening workers to park in structures. Maybe Lionshead parking structure is the free after 3pm and Vail Village is the paid parking. She asked if this made it a possibility. Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 3 Public comment: Art Abplanalp, not a Vail resident but represented many Vail residents. After community meeting in March, sent recommendations to Council regarding parking. He has indirect financial interest in this topic. Simplicity was Council's directive. Everyone will be challenged. Issue one: Traffic between here and front range was an issue. Second, how do we keep people in Vail. Give people incentive with a discount on parking to stay in Vail. Suggests providing people with parking discount i.e. $10 discount if they stay from 10 a.m to 6 p.m. signage on entry points. Businesses would benefit. Richard Ten Braak, representing VCBA, recapped what they did when they polled the community. 2 hrs free from 1-1/2 hrs, charge after 3pm was understood. 2 hrs free wanted to keep. Not a real need for short term shopper parking. Jim Lamont, representing the VHOA, complaint he heard most was the 2 hrs lunch prohibition. Moving from 1-1/2 to 2 hrs was great. He thanked Art for his innovative solution regarding discounts to folks who stay longer. Shannon Smith, VAC manager, major changes 2 hrs free and $3 after 3pm in support of them. Paying for pink pass for evening workers ok. More equitable for both daytime and nighttime employees. Margaret said her email has been broken. Is not prepared to talk about the $3 after 3pm, loves Art's idea about 11 am to 6pm idea. Kerry asks everyone if they want 2 hrs free or free after 3. Overwhelming, they wanted free after 3pm. She talked to 75 people. Some people are not supported by the bus system as they work past when buses run. She likes Art's idea as well. Kevin appreciates Art's recommendation, 2 hrs free he can support but don't charge after 3pm. Greg's memo regarding staff summer parking analysis. Sell passes at $1 each time someone comes in the parking structures durjing the summer. (greg said there are about 500,000 transactions in the summer. Susie said she has talked to several people as well. She has explained why the charging to offset costs. Business people understood why the charge. She supports $100-$150 pass to park in evening. There has to be justification to pay for the services. All passes have free parking at night. Andy supports 2 hrs free and $3 after 3pm have been mixed. $100 pass for evening parking he will support. All passes would be included in the free in the evening pass. Susie asked again if we could have LH be free and VTC be paid parking. Price sensitive customer provide other alternatives. To manage the supply of parking. Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 4 Did not include any increase of sales tax. $115,000 does not include operational costs. $850,000 surplus in budget and experiment and try to cover costs that way. Summer paid parking is a possibility. Add value card holders to the passes as free after 3pm. 1500 value passes currently. Will have up to 2,500 passes if we go this route. Staff is concerned about layer on top of layer of structuring parking plan. Maybe one step at a time is needed. Staffs ability to communicate different things, may be too much. Dick said in the last 5 years we have steadily decreased our status over parking. This parking message sends a negative message to guests. Isn't supportive of $3 after 3pm. Rewards program incentive so people can get parking discounts as well as other incentiveds. Validation system. Willing to risk the 2 hrs free and keep free after 3 for one year. Value cards on top deck? KISS.... Kim agrees with Dick, if we charge it will be a public relations disaster. Wants to see Art's idea be implemented. Trying to pay debt and operations. Be revenue neutral. Rob deluca, bridge street owner, Currents, people of means and other, are annoyed . perceived value vs perceived annoyance. There are offsets. What is collected in sales tax, repeat business. Needs to be User friendly. Some owners pay for employees passes. Economy not good and this is an annoyance. Wants every business to be allowed to buy one silver pass. Margaret against the pay after 3pm. Don't want to put arts idea off till next year. Thinks it will keep people in town. Wants to take this risk this season. Maintain 3 after 3 come early stay late. Greg said looking at the stats. 20% people are still in structure after 6pm. It may go to 25% you are look at % million in revenue. Give staff time to work on Art's concept. And have council give staff direction on the 2 hrs free and free after 3pm. Susan said what works better, lower cost from $25 to $20. $25 issue old (dick). Take chance on doing the 2hrs free and free after 3pm. Art stated an estimate of 750,000 to 1 million. Translate to//// Free after 3pm 6-1 susie against. 2 hrs free 7-0 unanimous. Andy said to look at Saturday and Sunday discounts only. Also, he wanted to add Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 5 $65,000 real time funds, upgrade to all value pass access to whole garage, self serve exit lane at Lionshead structure be added and approved. Friday and Saturday are peak days on the value cards. 7-0 unanimous support for the $65,000. Come back in 2 weeks with final details on parking plan. (October 51) The fifth item on the agenda was the Strategic Parking Plan Action Steps Presentation by Greg Hall. The Town Council strategic goal was to address long term parking. The town has an agreement with the Colorado Department of Transportation to provide a parking plan by September 30, 2010. Over the past year the council has reviewed presentations on parking demand and supply and possible solutions regarding additional parking options. The staff has worked with CDOT on possible terms on the continued use of the Frontage Roads. The Town Council at the September 7 meeting articulated the direction on the Frontage Road use, as well as an approach to cost sharing to be discussed with our parking partners to implement the plan. This set the groundwork for a recommendation, action steps and next steps to complete a plan. Hall, covered the strategic plan as attached to the agendas. Dick asked if this was an interim solution for 2-3 years. Greg said it could be 3 to 6 yrs. Ford Park and west vail as first phase within 2 years 2012 and 2013 ski season. Kevin asking where the 11.6 mil coming from. 4.3 from VRI 700,000, charter bus of funds, ford park master plan 2.1 mil includes field work. Money budgeted for parking improvements, and bike lanes at ford park, funding partners. Dick lh charter bus lot and ford park phase 1, would provide reasonable incremental parking for next 2-3 years. Kim said the parking at ford park doesn't' negatively impact ford park in the process. Thinks it' S a good recommendation and won't break the town's budget and we could do it incremetnaly. Margaret agrees with kim. Chris Jarnot, VRI, first said the town council made great decisions on the free after 3 and 2 hrs free. Also liked art's idea. Would like to collaborate with the town on possibilities. He said this year will be very dynamic this year. BP lot will be used, Arrabelle, Holy Cross lot, valet parking, solaris parking, Construction traffic leaving is great. Limit p;arkign to 15 days in winter time, and 3 days in summer time. What does that mean. Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 6 Andy said the idea is sto have a goal achieved to limit 15 days. If its consistently exceeded we would stop parking on south frontage road, it's an issue. Find other solutions to be implemented with partners. Intercept lots and down valley solutions. Next 2 — 3 years may include structured parking. What will it trigger if over flow exceeds 3 days next summer? Andy said it will take more than 1 year to work it out. 8/31/11 is the date to negotiate longer term solutions with partners for 2011/2012 winter parking. Will look to VRI for structured parking for future parking solutions. Andy said a key part is working with VRI in developing what makes sense for strategic parking solution. Maybe a task force can be formed to move the process along further by 8/31/11. Chris said he will work with Stan on solutions. How many employees use public parking. Will any spaces be freed up in the public parking areas. No net change this year. BP lot replaces parking for the north day lot and arrabelle too. Gain 100 spots in holy cross lot. Maybe 100 spaces may be freed. Mmore capacity in arrabelle and promoting it more. Solaris may be in a plan, Chris willing to work on it. Not in discussions as of today. Jim Lamont, VHOA, diagonal parking on frontage road inviting an accident. Ford park plan is acceptable. Private sector has to deliver the parking along with the product, not later. Privately owned parking structures will be .... Carefully have to weigh the monopolistic private parking versus public parking. Private parking is being underutilized and now being utilized for public parking. A problematic issue and can drive us down. Chris Burns, charter bus lot is used for rv's, oversized trucks, not just for buses. Next steps, stan says we have a financial model plan, a time table on how this can be implemented, how to keep the momentum going with working group formed, think about the cascade and ron byrne has some spaces. Andy said another piece is frontage road and overflow discussion. (page 2 of memo). Document accurately, council's long term parking strategy. Summer parking ws town's responsibility, VRI was winter responsibility. An agreement needs to be done and approved with VRI, with need to know what happens after 8/31/11 if 15 days is exceeded. Dick said he comment is on ford park, moving tennis courts keeps bringing up. Don't put moving tennis courts as an option. Need tennis courts upgraded. The sixth item on the agenda was the Frontage Road Partial Ownership Transaction Direction and CDOT required plan submittal. Greg Hall, stated staff would like direction on the terms of the partial ownership transaction the town will entertain with CDOT regarding the south frontage road. The Town of Vail per previous agreement with the Colorado Department of Transportation Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 7 is required to provide a plan of action regarding use of the frontage roads for parking. The Town Council directed the frontage road will be used in various fashions to meet both permanent parking and temporary parking in Vail. Council directed Stan Zemler to send a letter outlining the Town's intent with regard to partial ownership transaction of the South frontage road from the Town Shops to the south west Vail roundabout and the terms of such negotiation. This letter will satisfy the CDOT requirement regarding a plan presentation as outlined in the previous agreement with CDOT. Greg referred to memorandum. Stan said they are engaging CDOT into Vail taking over frontage road. See memo for key points under town interest. Margaret concerned with putting out 1.75 mil for maintenance payment, in case it's more and we can't go back for more. Greg said we are only taking over 4 miles (not the full 11 miles). Formulated in their method, and meets their standard. The number came from them not us. What will it cost us to maintain over the next 20 to 25 years. When doing the analysis, do it for the whole 11 miles. Margaret said we should come up with the number, doesn't' want a number that is unrealistic. Andy said he wants an analysis and go out 25 years. Stan, this has an inherent value of the tov owning. Don't add a number for #2 (2). Stan said we should prbly made some progress on additional parking being added to inventory. Andy made a motion to direct staff to move forward with letter to CDOT, 2nd by Margaret, passed unanimously. 7-0 The seventh item on the agenda was the Lionshead Transit Center update. Tom Kassmel, said that on August 17th, the Lionshead Transit Center design team presented three design options for the Lionshead Transit Welcome Center based on previous Council input. The discussions regarding the three options, now two options, indicated the 2-story option was the preferred option and the desire to add the Amenity Space was mixed without having additional information on its function and economic viability. At the September 7th Council work session Council asked staff to come back with additional information on the following issues, prior to making a final recommendation: Operations of amenity space was discussed. Donovan pavilion staff thought they could operate in the black. See management proposal comparison in packet. VRD proposal Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 8 share in subsidy/revenue. Programmed with community programs. If up community events from 50 to 200 probably have to subsidize approx. $35,000. -Management costs of the Amenity Space -Final layout of the VRD space with VRD consensus -Clarification on design issues; possible warming kitchen, enclosed vestibule space for bathrooms, Amenity space storage. -How the library remodel might interact with this space He requested the Council provide direction to staff to proceed thru the entitlement process and design development for the preferred option. Staff recommends proceeding thru Design Development and Entitlements with the 2 story option with the additional amenity space, based on its efficient design and program layout, compliance to the Lionshead Master Plan, and the ability to provide needed flexible community space at a relatively low incremental cost per square foot in a prime location; albeit with the risk of some operations subsidy, but with the potential to operate in the black depending on management and use. Does this fill a long term need for VRD. VRD said 20 years in Lionshead. He went through the memo/slide. Tom would like direction from Council on the 2 story amenity space model. Susie had a question for Laurie Asmussen with Donovan Pavilion Management. Definitely thinks this could be a great space to draw smaller groups and weddings, and other community meetings, destination type meetings, etc. Dick asked if anyone considered that parking would be paid parking. Laurie said she thinks it wouldn't be a down side to the space. 90 person seated or 140 person capacity standing. Audio/visual is not included in the costs. Maybe provide a screen, it would be an addition depending on what is needed. All glass is to south. Costs for incremental space is approx.. 600-700 thousand. Bob Lazier, Tivoli and lionshead, talked to lots of people in lionshead. Excited that there will be more activity in Lionshead. And getting it's own identity. Enthused and like the building. Jim Lamont, VHOA, staff has done due diligence, has management capabilities. Avoid leasing off spaced to private entity. Commit space to community meetings, keep it a community meeting space. Due diligents by town is high. Margaret in favor of hybrid and confirms there is a need for it. Proceed as quickly as possible to take advantage of low construction costs now. Look at space that we will Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 9 be using for the next 30 years. Maraget made a motion to give staff and 4240 direction to move for ward on hybrid version, 2nd by Kim Newbury. For continuing design and construction drawings, warming kitchen, etc. Kent' thanked staff and community for their work and time on this project. Kerry wanted to state there was a clarification that this is not a 2 story option but the hybrid 3 story option. Susan t Kevin said north side needs to look sharp too not just on the south side. To get people over to the site. Don't know if we want to get rid of booth off of the frontage road. A vote was taken 7-0 unanimous approval. The eighth item on the agenda was a discussion and direction concerning capital projects which are candidates to be funded with tax increment financing (TIF). Judy Camp and Greg Hall asked the Council to provide direction to staff regarding projects and costs to include in the upcoming TIF bonds. On August 17, the Town Council, acting as the Vail Reinvestment Authority, directed staff to begin work on TIF bonds to be issued in October. Specific costs eligible for TIF financing were discussed in a work session on September 7, at which time Council requested an evening meeting to discuss the projects in more detail. Staff is proceeding to work with our advisers to prepare documents subject to Council's direction regarding projects. Authorization to issue the bonds will be by resolution of the Vail Reinvestment Authority on October 5. To prepare for that resolution, staff needs direction concerning projects and costs to include in bond offering. Staff recommends including $13,525,000 of Lionshead area redevelopment projects in the upcoming bond financing for the specific projects. Staff would like direction on finalizing projects and timelines for the TIF bonds. The final will come before council on October 5tn Lionshead transit and welcome center, charger bus service parking lot, East lionshead portal, west lionshead concert hall plaza, main library remodel $13,525,000 total cost. Andy is fully support of everything except concert hall plaza for $750,000, main floor library remodel not a priority #1, Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 10 What he sees missing is Dobson ice arena, becomes a multi event type facility. Margaret is to have more projects funded than fewer. However propositions coming up make for First 3 projects include, main floor library remodel, include Dobson. Include all #1 priorities and Dobson if need be. Dobson is further off than 3 years and may not be able to add because there isn't a clear enough plan. Andy said iit is less defined but give us funding source that may nto be availabale if 60, 61 and 101 passes. Kevin wants to know what debt service will be. Judy says $22,1 million over next w25 years. Kim said she is in agreement for priority 1, her concern is in II. Projects... She is concerned that the snow melt is not included. There are maintenance costs. Could be $100,000 ongoing costs to maintain. Kery said would we be having this discussion if 60, 61 and 101 didn't pass. Judy said the discussion would be in 6 to 12 months. Susie, said TIF has shelf life. Money is available for us to use. It's smart to do it out of this fund as it only has 20 more years left. $26 milion in 20 years. Wants Dobson in the mix. Sp;end it out of the right fund. Moving gthe bond issue up 6 to 12 months (andy said). Kim said doesn't' have problem moving this up as we need to upgrade town to world class level for 2015. Stan said if not going in direction to not doing concert hall plaza. Go to phase two and the library 1.5 mil for phase 2 Greg said this does not include soft costs. Judy Can substitute projects down the road. Stan said Dobson falls into that category. If propositions pass could only use $8.6 mil. Library needs work. Needs to be part of this proposal. Jonathan with Piper Jaffrey said 85% of project has be completed in 3 years from time of issuance of bonds. Judy said $15 mil was target funding recommended a few weeks ago so costs wouldn't go up. And Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 11 Support of not more than $15 mil for TIF bonds. Judy said bonding offering goes on tomorrow. Straw vote Susie kim dick and Margaret in favor. Andy, kim and kevin opposed. Kim wants ongoing operating costs. Andy said spending 2.3 on library leaves him uncertainty. And not doiong anything here to help grow the economy. Has a difference of opinion. Kerry isn't informed or confident of committing to these projects. Kevin said CIVIL sent brochures on 60,61 and 101 and need to pass them out. Dick said We don't have to spend the money. We have to think about the future of the town and take advantage of tif, now is the time to do it. Got the votes for 15m let's go with it. (Margaret) The ninth item on the agenda was adjournment. Kevin Made a motion to adjourn, the motion was seconded by Andy; and passed unanimously, 7-0. The meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m. Dick Cle a d, Mayor Atte ,�pVV.►V O,c` .• • 9 eleilDonaldson, Town Clerk Town Council Minutes September 21, 2010 Page 12